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Thank you very much.

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When I was a boy,

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my parents would sometimes[br]take me camping in California.

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We would camp in the beaches,[br]in the forests, in the deserts.

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Some people think the deserts[br]are empty of life

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but my parents taught me[br]to see the wildlife all around us,

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the hawks, the eagles, the tortoises.

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One time when we were setting up camp,

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we found a baby scorpion[br]with its stinger out,

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and I remember thinking how cool it was

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that something could be[br]both so cute and also so dangerous.

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After college, I moved to California[br]and I started working on

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a number of environmental campaigns,

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I got involved in helping to save[br]the state's last ancient redwood forests

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and blocking a proposed radioactive[br]waste repository set for the desert.

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Shortly after I turned 30,

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I decided I wanted to dedicate[br]a significant amount of my life

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to solving climate change.

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I was worried that global warming[br]would end up destroying

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many of the natural environments

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that people had worked[br]so hard to protect.

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I thought the technical solutions[br]were pretty straightforward -

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solar panels on every roof,[br]electric car in the driveway,

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that the main obstacles were political.

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And so I helped to organize a coalition

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of the country's biggest labor unions[br]and biggest environmental groups.

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Our proposal was for a 300-billion-dollar[br]investment in renewables.

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And the idea was not only[br]would we prevent climate change,

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but we would also create[br]millions of new jobs

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in a very fast-growing high-tech sector.

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Our efforts really paid off in 2007,

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when then-presidential candidate[br]Barack Obama embraced our vision.

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And between 2009 and 2015,[br]the US invested 150 billion dollars

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in renewables and other[br]kinds of clean tech.

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but right away we started[br]to encounter some problems.

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So first of all, the electricity[br]from solar rooftops

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ends up costing about twice as much[br]as the electricity from solar farms.

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And both solar farms and wind farms

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require covering a pretty[br]significant amount of land

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with solar panels and wind turbines

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and also building[br]very big transmission lines

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to bring all that electricity[br]from the countryside into the city.

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Both of those things were often very[br]strongly resisted by local communities,

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as well as by conservation biologists

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who were concerned about the impacts[br]on wild bird species and other animals.

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Now, there was a lot of other people

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working on technical[br]solutions at the time.

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One of the big challenges, of course,

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is the intermittency of solar and wind.

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They only generate electricity[br]about 10 to 30 percent of the time

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during most of year.

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But some of the solutions being proposed

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were to convert hydroelectric[br]dams into gigantic batteries.

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The idea was that when the sun[br]was shining and the wind was blowing,

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you would pump the water[br]uphill, store it for later,

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and then when you needed electricity,[br]run it over the turbines.

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In terms of wildlife,[br]some of these problems

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just didn't seem like[br]a significant concern.

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So when I learned that house cats[br]kill billions of birds every year

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it put into perspective the hundreds[br]of thousands of birds

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that are killed by wind turbines.

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It basically seemed to me at the time

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that most, if not all, of the problems[br]of scaling up solar and wind

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could be solved through more[br]technological innovation.

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But as the years went by,

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these problems persisted[br]and, in many cases, grew worse.

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So California is a state that's really[br]committed to renewable energy,

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but we still haven't converted[br]many of our hydroelectric dams

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into big batteries.

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Some of the problems are just Geographic;

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it's just you have to have[br]a very particular kind of formation

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to be able to do that,

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and even in those cases,

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it's quite expensive[br]to make those conversions.

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Other challenges are just[br]that there're other uses for water

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like irrigation,

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and maybe the most significant[br]problem is just that in California

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the water in our rivers and reservoirs

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is growing increasingly[br]scarce and unreliable

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due to climate change.

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In terms of this issue of reliability,[br]as a consequence of it,

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we've actually had to stop the electricity

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coming from the solar[br]farms into the cities

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because there's just been[br]too much of it at times.

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Or we've been starting to pay[br]our neighboring states like Arizona

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to take that solar electricity.

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The alternative is to suffer[br]from blowouts of the grid.

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And it turns out that

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when it comes to birds and cats -

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cats don't kill eagles; eagles kill cats.

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What cats kill are the small common[br]sparrows and jay's and robins,

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birds that are not endangered[br]and not at risk of going extinct.

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What do kill eagles and other big birds[br]like this kite as well as owls and condors

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and other threatened[br]and endangered species

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are wind turbines,

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in fact, one of the most[br]significant threats

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to those big bird species that we have.

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We just haven't been introducing[br]the airspace with many other objects

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like we have wind turbines[br]over the last several years.

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And in terms of solar,

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you know building a solar farm is a lot[br]like building any other kind of farm;

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you have to clear[br]the whole area of wildlife.

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So this is a picture of one third of one[br]of the biggest solar farms in California

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called Ivanpah.

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In order to build this,

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they had to clear[br]the whole area of desert tortoises,

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literally pulling desert tortoises[br]and their babies out of burrows,

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putting them on the back of pickup trucks,[br]and transporting them to captivity

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where many of them ended up dying.

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And the current estimates are that[br]about 6,000 birds are killed every year,

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actually catching on fire[br]above the solar farm

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and plunging to their deaths.

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Over time it gradually struck me

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that there was really no amount[br]of technological innovation

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that was going to make[br]the sun shine more regularly

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or wind blow more reliably.

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In fact, you could make[br]solar panels cheaper,

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and you could make[br]wind turbines bigger

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but sunlight and wind[br]are just really dilute fuels.

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And in order to produce[br]significant amounts of electricity,

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you just have to cover[br]a very large land mass with them.

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In other words, all of the major problems[br]with renewables aren't technical,

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they're natural.

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Well, dealing with[br]all of this unreliability

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and the big environmental impacts

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obviously comes at a [br]pretty high economic cost.

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We've been hearing a lot about how[br]solar panels and wind turbines

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have come down in cost in recent years,

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but that cost has been [br]significantly outweighed

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by just the challenges of integrating all[br]of that unreliable power onto the grid.

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Just take, for instance, [br]what's happening in California.

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At the period in which solar panels[br]have come down in price

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very significantly, same with wind,

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we've seen our electricity prices go up

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five times more than[br]the rest of the country.

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And it's not unique to us.

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You can see the same phenomenon[br]happen in Germany,

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which is really the world's[br]leader in solar, wind,

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and other renewable technologies.

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Their prices increased 50 percent[br]during their big renewable energy push.

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Now you might think, well,[br]dealing with climate change

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is just going to require[br]that we all pay more for energy.

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That's what I used to think.

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But consider the case of France.

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France actually gets[br]twice as much of its electricity

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from clean zero emission sources[br]than does Germany, and yet,

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France pays almost half[br]as much for its electricity.

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How can that be?

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You might have already[br]anticipated the answer.

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France gets most of its electricity[br]from nuclear power, about 75% in total.

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And nuclear just ends up[br]being a lot more reliable,

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generating power 24 hours a day,[br]seven days a week,

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for about 90% of the year.

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We see this phenomenon[br]show up at a global level.

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So, for example, there's been[br]a natural experiment

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over the last 40 years.

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Even more than that,

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or in terms of the deployment of nuclear[br]and the deployment of solar,

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you can see that[br]at a little bit higher cost,

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we got about half as much electricity

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from solar and wind[br]than we did from nuclear.

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Well, what does all this mean[br]for going forward?

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I think one of the most significant[br]findings to date is this one.

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Had Germany spent five hundred[br]and eighty billion dollars on nuclear

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instead of renewables,

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it would already be getting[br]a hundred percent of its electricity

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from clean energy sources,[br]and all of its transportation energy.

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Now I think you might be wondering[br]and it's quite reasonable to ask:

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Is nuclear power safe and[br]what do you do with the waste?

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Well, those are very reasonable questions.

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Turns out that there's been[br]scientific studies on this

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going over 40 years.

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This is just the most recent study

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that was done by the prestigious[br]British Medical Journal, Lancet,

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finds that nuclear power is the safest.

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It's easy to understand why.

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According to the WHO,

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about 7 million people die[br]annually from air pollution.

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And nuclear plants don't emit that.

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As a result, the climate scientist,[br]James Hansen, looked at it.

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He calculated that nuclear power[br]has already saved

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almost two million lives to date.

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It turns out that even wind energy[br]is more deadly than nuclear.

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This is a photograph taken[br]of two maintenance workers

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in the Netherlands,

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shortly before one of them[br]fell to his death to avoid the fire,

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and the other one was engulfed in flames.

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Now, what about environmental impact?

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I think a really easy way[br]to think about it is

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that uranium fuel which is[br]what we used to power nuclear plants

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is just really energy dense.

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About the same amount[br]of uranium as this Rubiks's Cube

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can power all of the energy[br]you need in your entire life.

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As a consequence,

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you just don't need that much land

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in order to produce a significant[br]amount of electricity.

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Here you can compare the solar farm[br]I just described, Ivanpah,

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to California's last nuclear plant,

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Diablo Canyon.

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It takes 450 times more land[br]to generate the same amount of electricity

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as it does from nuclear.

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You would need 17 more[br]solar farms like Ivanpah

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in order to generate the same[br]output as Diablo Canyon.

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And of course it would then be unreliable.

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Well, what about the mining and the waste[br]and the material throughput.

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This has been studied[br]pretty closely as well.

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And it just turns out that[br]solar panels require 17 times

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more materials than nuclear plants do,

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in the form of cement,[br]glass, concrete, steel, etc.

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And that includes all the fuels[br]used for those nuclear plants.

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The consequence is that what comes out[br]at the end since its material throughput

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is just not a lot of waste from nuclear.

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All of the waste from the Swiss[br]nuclear program fits into this room.

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Nuclear waste is actually the only waste[br]from electricity production

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that's safely contained and internalized.

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Every other way of making electricity

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emits that waste[br]into the natural environment

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either as pollution or as material waste.

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We tend to think of solar panels as clean

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but the truth is that there is no plan[br]to deal with solar panels

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at the end of their 20 or 25 year life.

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A lot of experts are actually[br]very concerned that solar panels

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are just going to be shipped[br]to poor countries in Africa or Asia

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with the rest of our electronic[br]waste stream to be disassembled,

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often exposing people[br]to really high level of toxic elements,

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including lead, cadmium and chromium,

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elements that because they're elements,[br]their toxicity never declines over time.

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I think we have an intuitive sense

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that nuclear is a really powerful[br]strong energy source,

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and that sunlight is really dilute[br]and diffuse and weak,

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which is why you have to spread[br]solar collectors or wind collectors

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over such a large amount of land.

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Maybe that's why nobody was surprised

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when in the recent science-fiction[br]remake of Blade Runner,[br]

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the film opens with a very[br]dark dystopian scene

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where California's deserts have been[br]entirely paved with solar farms.

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All of which, I think, raises[br]a really uncomfortable question:

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In the effort to try to save the climate,[br]are we destroying the environment?

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The interesting thing is that[br]over the last several hundred years,

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human beings have actually[br]been trying to move away

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from what you would consider[br]matter-dense fuels

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towards energy-dense ones.

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That means really from wood and dung[br]towards coal, oil, natural gas, uranium.

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This is a phenomenon that's been[br]going on for a long time.

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Poor countries around the world are in the[br]process still of moving away

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from wood and dung[br]as their primary energies.

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And for the most part,[br]this is a positive thing.

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As you stop using wood[br]as your major source of fuel,

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it allows the forests to grow back[br]and the wildlife to return.

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As you stop burning wood in your home,

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you no longer need to breath[br]that toxic smoke.

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And as you go from coal[br]to natural gas and uranium

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as your main sources of energy,

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it holds out the possibility of basically[br]eliminating air pollution altogether.

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There's just this problem with nuclear -

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well, it's been pretty popular to move[br]from dirtier to cleaner energy sources,

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and from energy-diffuse[br]to energy-dense sources -

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nuclear is just really unpopular[br]for a bunch of historical reasons.

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And as a consequence, in the past,

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I think a lot of others have sort of said,

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in order to deal with climate change,

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we're just going to need all the different[br]kinds of clean energy that we have.

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The problem is that it just[br]turns out not to be true.

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You remember I discussed[br]France a little bit ago.

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France gets most of its[br]electricity from nuclear.

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If France were to try to significantly[br]scale up solar and wind,

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it would also have to significantly reduce[br]how much electricity it gets from nuclear.

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That's because in order to handle the huge[br]variability of solar and wind on the grid,

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they would need to burn more natural gas.

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Think of it this way,

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it's just really hard to ramp[br]up and down a nuclear plant

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whereas I think we're all pretty[br]familiar with turning natural gas

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up and down on our stove.

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A similar process works[br]in managing the grid.

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Of course it goes without saying

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that oil and gas companies[br]understand this pretty well,

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which is why we've seen them invest[br]millions of dollars in recent years

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in promoting solar and wind.

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This just raises, I think,[br]another challenging question,

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which is that in places[br]that are using a lot of nuclear -

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half of their grids that are[br]mostly nuclear and hydro -

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going towards solar and wind[br]and other renewables

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would actually increase carbon emissions.

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I think a better alternative[br]is just to tell the truth.

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And that's what a number[br]of scientists have been doing.

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I mentioned earlier

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that hundreds of thousands of birds[br]are killed every year by wind turbines.

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What I didn't mention is that[br]a million bats at a minimum

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are killed every year by wind.

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The consequence has been[br]that bat scientists

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have been speaking out about this.

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This particular bat species,[br]the hoary bat,

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which is a migratory bat species,

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is literally at risk[br]of going extinct right now

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because of the significant[br]expansion of wind.

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It's not just wind, it's also on solar.

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The scientists who were involved[br]in creating the Ivanpah solar farm

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and who were involved in clearing[br]that land have been speaking out.[br]

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One of them wrote,

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"Everybody knows that translocation[br]of desert tortoises doesn't work.

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When you're walking[br]in front of a bulldozer, crying,

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and moving animals[br]and cacti out of the way,

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it's hard to think that[br]the project is a good idea."

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And now we can see these phenomena[br]at work at an international level.

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In my home state of California,

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we've been stuffing a lot of natural gas[br]into the side of a mountain

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in order to handle all that[br]intermittent solar and wind.

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It's sprung a leak.

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It was equivalent to putting[br]500,000 cars on the road.

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And currently in Germany,

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there's protesters trying to block[br]a new coal mining project

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that would involve destroying [br]the ancient Han back forest

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in order to get to the coal underneath,

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all in an effort to phase out nuclear[br]and expand solar and wind.

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The good news is that I think that[br]people still care about nature enough

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for these facts to matter.

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We saw last year in South Korea

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a citizen's jury deliberated[br]for several months

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weighing these different issues.

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They had to decide whether they were[br]going to phase out nuclear

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or keep it and expand it.

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They started out 40 percent[br]in favor of expanding nuclear

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but after several months[br]and considering these issues,

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they ended up voting 60%[br]to expand nuclear.

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A similar phenomena just[br]happened last week in Arizona.

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The voters had a ballot initiative

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to vote on whether or not[br]to continue with nuclear

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or to phase it out and try to replace it[br]with natural gas and solar.

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They ended up rejecting at 70 to 30.

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And even here in Europe,

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we saw the Netherlands is one of the first[br]countries in recent memory

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to actually announce as they did last week

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that they're going to start to increase[br]their reliance on nuclear power

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in recognition that there's just no way

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they could generate significant amounts[br]of energy enough from solar and wind

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to meet their climate targets.

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I think it's natural

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that those of us that became[br]very concerned about climate change,

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such a big environmental issue,

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would gravitate towards[br]really romantic solutions

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like harmonizing human civilization[br]with the natural world

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using renewable energies.

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But I think it's also understandable[br]that as the facts have come in,

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many of us have started to question[br]our prior beliefs and change our minds.

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For me the question now is

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that we know that renewables[br]can't save the planet,

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are we going to keep[br]keep letting them destroy it?

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Thank you very much.

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(Applause)