WEBVTT 00:00:20.002 --> 00:00:25.287 Art must be beautiful. Artist must be beautiful. 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:30.619 Art must be beautiful... [Mumbles] 00:00:37.936 --> 00:00:41.952 Art must be beautiful. Artist must be beautiful... 00:00:49.136 --> 00:00:56.128 In the 70's, when artist had red lipstick and nailpolish, and any kind of relation to fashion, 00:00:56.128 --> 00:01:01.978 It was discussed like being a really bad artist, that's how you want to approve yourself, 00:01:01.978 --> 00:01:06.449 Because you cannot do it with your work. It was a big "No, no, no, no." 00:01:08.404 --> 00:01:13.129 I was presenting myself only in one way, very austere, very monastic. 00:01:13.129 --> 00:01:17.778 You know, in the old days, the performance clothes was always the same, 00:01:17.778 --> 00:01:21.378 All naked, or dirty black, or dirty white. That was it, you know. 00:01:21.567 --> 00:01:27.479 Never lipstick, never nailpolish, never high heeled shoes, very kind of strict. 00:01:27.479 --> 00:01:37.400 Almost masculine view of myself. And when I started working on my own in the begging of 70's, 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:42.166 My work was really going to the, pushing physical limits to the point 00:01:42.166 --> 00:01:46.166 I'll probably have an accident or some terrible ending. 00:01:50.250 --> 00:02:04.205 [Man and woman] Ahh..... Ahh..... 00:02:13.930 --> 00:02:21.151 Ahh... 00:02:22.197 --> 00:02:31.012 Ulay, how I see now, he was really this new solution that we can put to invent this together, 00:02:31.012 --> 00:02:34.713 Create something like a third identity. 00:02:35.012 --> 00:02:39.346 And so Ulay came like a blessing to me. 00:02:39.646 --> 00:02:42.046 And it really worked. 00:02:45.930 --> 00:02:55.663 Ahh...Ahh...Ahh... 00:02:55.663 --> 00:02:59.493 And as a relationship works, it comes to an end, which was very difficult for me, 00:02:59.493 --> 00:03:06.003 Because I hate failures, and I didn't want to somehow admit that it actually didn't work anymore. 00:03:06.003 --> 00:03:12.854 But, it really came to the end, and this was why such a perfect form of ending was the Chinese wall. 00:03:23.336 --> 00:03:29.270 I finished walking on the Chinese wall and said goodbye to my partner, Ulay. 00:03:29.270 --> 00:03:35.308 And it was the most painful moments of my life and everything crashed with me. 00:03:35.308 --> 00:03:39.803 My work and my private life. And I was a kind of zero. 00:03:40.470 --> 00:03:47.518 I just wanted to laugh. I wanted laughter, I wanted to be alive again. I wanted to be happy again. 00:03:47.534 --> 00:03:50.134 I just wanted to be female again. 00:03:54.334 --> 00:04:00.483 After I finished the Chinese wall, I didn't need to prove to anybody anything anymore. 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:03.712 That was really the turning point for me, 00:04:03.712 --> 00:04:11.096 When I said,"Okay, I think I am okay artist. I can really enjoy myself and embrace fashion." 00:04:11.746 --> 00:04:18.896 And that was another liberating thing. And I really think it's okay. I'm not ashamed of this. 00:04:20.356 --> 00:04:24.239 That is totally vanity. And it just shows the contradiction. 00:04:24.239 --> 00:04:33.247 Because, yes, I can sit 736 days in a museum in MoMA, an extremely hard performance. 00:04:33.247 --> 00:04:42.477 And then the day after had Givenchy organizing the fashion dinner, in which I had this amazing dress, 00:04:42.477 --> 00:04:47.679 Created by Riccardo Tisci, and the jacket was made from 101 snakes. 00:04:47.900 --> 00:04:51.706 At least, I'm sure they died natural deaths, but nevermind. 00:04:53.306 --> 00:04:58.486 You see, getting all this fashion attention at 65 is very different. 00:04:58.486 --> 00:05:01.747 When you are doing with 20, twenty somehow is natural. 00:05:01.747 --> 00:05:06.388 But now I'm sixty-five. And I was on the cover of V magazine, in fashion. 00:05:06.798 --> 00:05:13.514 That's much more fun, because it somehow boosts my confidence in myself, 00:05:13.514 --> 00:05:17.797 Which I never had that much, as a woman. As an artist, yes.