1 00:00:20,002 --> 00:00:25,287 Art must be beautiful. Artist must be beautiful. 2 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,619 Art must be beautiful... [Mumbles] 3 00:00:37,936 --> 00:00:41,952 Art must be beautiful. Artist must be beautiful... 4 00:00:49,136 --> 00:00:56,128 In the 70's, when artist had red lipstick and nailpolish, and any kind of relation to fashion, 5 00:00:56,128 --> 00:01:01,978 It was discussed like being a really bad artist, that's how you want to approve yourself, 6 00:01:01,978 --> 00:01:06,449 Because you cannot do it with your work. It was a big "No, no, no, no." 7 00:01:08,404 --> 00:01:13,129 I was presenting myself only in one way, very austere, very monastic. 8 00:01:13,129 --> 00:01:17,778 You know, in the old days, the performance clothes was always the same, 9 00:01:17,778 --> 00:01:21,378 All naked, or dirty black, or dirty white. That was it, you know. 10 00:01:21,567 --> 00:01:27,479 Never lipstick, never nailpolish, never high heeled shoes, very kind of strict. 11 00:01:27,479 --> 00:01:37,400 Almost masculine view of myself. And when I started working on my own in the begging of 70's, 12 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,166 My work was really going to the, pushing physical limits to the point 13 00:01:42,166 --> 00:01:46,166 I'll probably have an accident or some terrible ending. 14 00:01:50,250 --> 00:02:04,205 [Man and woman] Ahh..... Ahh..... 15 00:02:13,930 --> 00:02:21,151 Ahh... 16 00:02:22,197 --> 00:02:31,012 Ulay, how I see now, he was really this new solution that we can put to invent this together, 17 00:02:31,012 --> 00:02:34,713 Create something like a third identity. 18 00:02:35,012 --> 00:02:39,346 And so Ulay came like a blessing to me. 19 00:02:39,646 --> 00:02:42,046 And it really worked. 20 00:02:45,930 --> 00:02:55,663 Ahh...Ahh...Ahh... 21 00:02:55,663 --> 00:02:59,493 And as a relationship works, it comes to an end, which was very difficult for me, 22 00:02:59,493 --> 00:03:06,003 Because I hate failures, and I didn't want to somehow admit that it actually didn't work anymore. 23 00:03:06,003 --> 00:03:12,854 But, it really came to the end, and this was why such a perfect form of ending was the Chinese wall. 24 00:03:23,336 --> 00:03:29,270 I finished walking on the Chinese wall and said goodbye to my partner, Ulay. 25 00:03:29,270 --> 00:03:35,308 And it was the most painful moments of my life and everything crashed with me. 26 00:03:35,308 --> 00:03:39,803 My work and my private life. And I was a kind of zero. 27 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:47,518 I just wanted to laugh. I wanted laughter, I wanted to be alive again. I wanted to be happy again. 28 00:03:47,534 --> 00:03:50,134 I just wanted to be female again. 29 00:03:54,334 --> 00:04:00,483 After I finished the Chinese wall, I didn't need to prove to anybody anything anymore. 30 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:03,712 That was really the turning point for me, 31 00:04:03,712 --> 00:04:11,096 When I said,"Okay, I think I am okay artist. I can really enjoy myself and embrace fashion." 32 00:04:11,746 --> 00:04:18,896 And that was another liberating thing. And I really think it's okay. I'm not ashamed of this. 33 00:04:20,356 --> 00:04:24,239 That is totally vanity. And it just shows the contradiction. 34 00:04:24,239 --> 00:04:33,247 Because, yes, I can sit 736 days in a museum in MoMA, an extremely hard performance. 35 00:04:33,247 --> 00:04:42,477 And then the day after had Givenchy organizing the fashion dinner, in which I had this amazing dress, 36 00:04:42,477 --> 00:04:47,679 Created by Riccardo Tisci, and the jacket was made from 101 snakes. 37 00:04:47,900 --> 00:04:51,706 At least, I'm sure they died natural deaths, but nevermind. 38 00:04:53,306 --> 00:04:58,486 You see, getting all this fashion attention at 65 is very different. 39 00:04:58,486 --> 00:05:01,747 When you are doing with 20, twenty somehow is natural. 40 00:05:01,747 --> 00:05:06,388 But now I'm sixty-five. And I was on the cover of V magazine, in fashion. 41 00:05:06,798 --> 00:05:13,514 That's much more fun, because it somehow boosts my confidence in myself, 42 00:05:13,514 --> 00:05:17,797 Which I never had that much, as a woman. As an artist, yes.