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How to quickly scale up contact tracing across the US

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    Chris Anderson: Joia,
    both you and Partners In Health
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    have spent decades
    in various battlegrounds,
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    battling epidemics.
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    Perhaps, for context, you could give us
    a couple examples of that work.
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    Joia Mukherjee: Yeah,
    so Partners In Health
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    is a global nonprofit
    that is more than 30 years old.
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    We started famously in Haiti
    in a squatter settlement,
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    people who were displaced.
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    And when we talked to them,
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    they wanted health care and education,
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    houses, jobs.
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    And that has informed our work,
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    that proximity to people
    who are suffering.
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    When you think about
    health care and the poor,
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    there is always disproportionate suffering
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    for people who have been
    historically marginalized,
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    like our communities
    that we serve in Haiti.
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    And so we've always tried
    to provide health care
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    for the poorest people on earth.
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    And we were launched
    into an international dialogue
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    about whether that was possible
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    for drug-resistant tuberculosis, for HIV.
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    Indeed, for surgery, for cancer,
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    for mental health,
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    for noncommunicable diseases.
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    And we believe it's possible,
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    and it is part of the basic
    human right to care.
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    So when COVID started,
    we saw this immediately as a threat
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    to the health of people
    who were the poorest.
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    And Partners In Health
    now works in 11 countries,
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    five on the African continent,
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    Latin America and the Caribbean,
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    as well as the former Soviet Union.
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    And we immediately prepared
    to scale up testing,
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    contact tracing, treatment, care,
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    and then saw that it wasn't being done
    in the United States in that way.
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    And in fact, we were just sitting,
    passively waiting for people to get sick
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    and treat them in hospital.
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    And that message got
    to the governor of Massachusetts,
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    and we started supporting the state
    to do contact tracing for COVID,
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    with the very idea that this would help us
    identify and resource
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    the communities that were most vulnerable.
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    CA: So it's really quite ironic
    that these decades of experience
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    in the developing world and elsewhere,
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    that that has now really been seen
    as a crucial need to bring to the US.
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    And especially to bring your expertise
    around contact tracing.
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    So, talk a bit about contact tracing,
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    why does it matter so much,
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    and what would, I don't know,
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    a perfect contact tracing setup look like?
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    JM: Well, first I want to say
    that you want to, always,
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    in any type of illness,
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    you want to do prevention,
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    and diagnosis and treatment and care.
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    That is what comprehensive
    approaches look like,
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    and that "care" piece, to us,
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    is about the provision of social support
    and material support
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    to allow people to get the care they need.
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    So that might be transportation,
    it might be food.
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    So when you look
    at that comprehensive approach,
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    for an infectious disease,
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    part of prevention is knowing
    where the disease is spreading
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    and how it's spreading
    and in whom it's spreading,
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    so that resources can be
    disproportionately put
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    to the highest-risk areas.
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    So contact tracing
    is a staple of public health
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    and what it means is that every time
    a new person is diagnosed
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    with COVID or any infectious disease,
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    then you investigate and innumerate
    the people they've been in contacts with,
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    and call those contacts
    and say, "You've been exposed,"
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    or talk to them, "You've been exposed,
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    these are the things you need to know.
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    First of all, how are you?
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    Do you need care yourself?"
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    And facilitating that.
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    "Second of all, these are the information
    you need to know to keep yourself safe.
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    About quarantine, about prevention."
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    And again, this would be
    with any infectious disease,
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    from Ebola, to cholera, to a sexually
    transmitted disease like HIV.
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    And then we say,
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    "OK, knowing what you know,
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    do you have the means
    to protect yourself?"
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    Because often the most vulnerable
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    do not have the means
    to protect themselves.
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    So that is also where this resource
    component comes in
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    and where equity is so critical
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    to making this disease stop
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    and also getting the information
    and the resources
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    to people who need them the most.
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    CA: And in a pandemic,
    the people who need them the most,
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    the most vulnerable, as you say,
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    are probably also --
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    That's where the disease
    is spreading a lot.
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    It's in everyone's interest to do this.
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    You're not just making this sort of,
    wonderful, equity moral point
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    that we've got to help these people.
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    It's actually in all
    of our interest, right?
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    JM: Yes.
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    Yes, we are one humanity,
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    and any disease, any infectious
    disease that is spreading
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    is a threat to all of us.
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    And that is one of the pieces,
    there's the moral imperative,
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    there is the epidemiologic imperative,
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    that if you can't control
    these diseases everywhere,
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    that it's a threat anywhere.
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    And so as we look to the kind
    of society we want to live in,
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    good health is something that gives us all
    so much return on our investment.
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    CA: Now, some countries were able
    to use contact tracing
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    almost to shut down the pandemic
    before it took off in that country.
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    The US was unable to do that,
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    and some people have taken the view
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    that therefore, contact tracing
    became irrelevant,
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    that the strategy was mitigation,
    shut everything down.
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    You've argued against that,
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    that even in a process of lockdown
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    that actually contact tracing
    plays a key role.
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    Help us understand the scale,
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    when there's a lot of cases,
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    the scale of tracing, both cases
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    and everyone they may
    have been in contact with
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    and their contacts.
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    It quickly gets to a huge problem.
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    JM: It's massive.
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    CA: What sort of workforce do you need
    to make a difference
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    at this moment, where the US is at?
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    JM: It's massive.
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    I mean, the scale is massive,
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    and we should not take that lightly.
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    And we don't, at Partners In Health.
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    I mean, we are willing
    to try to figure this out,
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    and I always feel
    that if we could stop Ebola
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    in some of the poorest
    countries in the world,
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    of course we ought to do it here,
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    and was it too late when there were
    28,000 deaths in Ebola?
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    Sure, it's always too late.
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    We should have started earlier,
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    but it's not too late to have an impact.
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    And so there's three aspects
    of timing and scale.
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    First is, the earlier you start,
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    the better, right?
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    And that's what we saw in Rwanda.
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    They went from early testing
    and contact tracing,
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    the first two cases entered
    into the country on March 15,
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    and in one month,
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    because of contact tracing,
    isolation and plenty of testing,
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    they had held that case rate
    to 134 people.
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    It's remarkable, it's remarkable.
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    In the state of Georgia,
    where is home to the CDC,
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    similar population size, about 12 million,
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    from the first two cases
    in the first month,
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    those cases became 4,400 cases.
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    And in the country of Belgium,
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    a similar population,
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    those two cases became 7,400.
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    So you do have to make scale to stop this.
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    But the earlier you do it,
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    the more benefits there are
    to your society
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    and also to the other people
    who need medical services --
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    women who are pregnant,
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    people who need their fracture repaired,
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    because services themselves
    in the United States
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    have been, you know, really hampered
    by this huge amount of COVID.
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    So the first point is,
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    it's always late, but it's never too late.
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    Why?
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    Because vulnerable populations
    are sitting ducks,
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    and so imagine if one of your contacts
    was a nursing assistant
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    who worked in a nursing home.
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    We know that one nursing assistant
    can spread it throughout a nursing home.
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    And is it important to identify
    that person as a contact
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    and assure that he or she
    is able to remain quarantined?
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    That is critical.
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    And so it's hard to say,
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    "Well, it's not worth it
    if it's just one person, two persons."
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    Every life matters,
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    and all of their contacts in the community
    of that person matters as well.
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    So that's one thing.
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    The second about scale
    is people need jobs right now.
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    And they want to be part of a solution,
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    and some of the frustration we see,
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    the antilockdown movement,
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    is really out of anger and frustration
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    and feeling, "What can we do?"
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    And so this gives people this feeling
    that they're part of a solution
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    and can provide thousands of jobs.
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    And then third, I would say,
    for us to reopen our schools,
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    our churches, our workplaces,
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    we have to know
    where the virus is spreading
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    so that we don't just
    continue on this path.
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    And so contact tracing provides
    the platform to control,
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    but also to see outbreaks
    in real time popping up,
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    and then respond promptly.
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    So there are many reasons
    that we have to bring this to scale now.
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    Even though it is tardy.
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    CA: So especially as we have
    this pressure to go back to work,
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    like, contact tracing
    has to be part of that strategy,
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    or we're just inviting another disaster
    in a few weeks' time.
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    Whatever you make of what's happened
    during this mitigation process.
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    JM: Exactly, exactly.
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    Exactly, and so that's such
    an important part, Chris,
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    and something that we are just really keen
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    to look at the United States
    in a different way.
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    What are the long-term
    public health infrastructures
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    that we need to protect us
    for the second wave, the third wave
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    and in the future, for future pandemics?
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    CA: Whitney.
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    Whitney Pennington Rodgers:
    You know, to that point,
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    there is a question out there
    from one of our anonymous
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    community members,
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    about why contact tracing isn't already
    part of our public health system.
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    It seems like it does make a lot of sense
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    its a way to mitigate
    the spread of disease.
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    Could you speak a little bit to that?
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    JM: I think many people have said --
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    and I am not a politician --
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    that our American
    health care infrastructure
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    is built on treatment and not prevention.
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    It's built on procedures
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    and not keeping people well.
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    And some of that was driven by profit,
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    and some of that was driven by need,
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    but I think we need to rethink
    how we deliver care in this environment.
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    WPR: "There is some fear and suspicion
    about privacy and contact tracing.
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    How can we build trust in the process?"
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    JM: Yeah, that's a great question,
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    and I think there's fear about privacy
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    and part of it comes from the idea
    of what contact tracing is.
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    And I think that's why we feel strongly,
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    is if you lead with the idea
    that it's care
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    and it's trying to get
    resources and information
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    and help to people,
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    it seems very different
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    than just, oh, who's sick,
    and who's a threat.
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    And so fundamentally --
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    and that's why we're so pleased
    to be at this TED talk today --
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    is it's about communication, right?
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    It's not about surveillance,
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    it's about communication
    and care and support.
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    That's one thing.
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    And we'll be hearing from our colleagues
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    on the tech side.
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    There's ways to add tech, even to care,
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    that it can be a resource
    for caring and communication.
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    But there are ways
    to protect people's privacy
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    and also to provide care,
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    and public health has many
    laws attached to it.
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    This is all done within the constructs
    of our state public health laws.
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    And so I think some
    of the communication around this is,
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    how do we take care of each other,
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    how do we take care
    of the most vulnerable.
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    And if we frame contact tracing as care,
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    I think that starts
    a different kind of conversation.
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    CA: Mm.
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    So, Joia, can you just talk
    in a bit more detail
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    about what it is that you are advising
    Massachusetts to do
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    in terms of contact tracing.
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    Give us a sense of the scale of it.
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    JM: Yeah, so the scale -- thank you.
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    You know, we are able now
    to make about 10,000 calls a day
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    to contacts.
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    So every new case that comes in,
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    the case is investigated
    by someone on the phone,
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    and then those investigations
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    means writing down the names
    and the phone numbers of the persons
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    you've been in contact with
    for the time you were sick
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    and a couple days before.
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    And with those numbers then,
    the contact tracers --
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    And that's what we really redoubled
    the workforce and really expanded,
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    more than doubled,
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    to support the department of public health
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    to do that contact tracing.
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    So we have 1,700 people employed
    full time, with benefits,
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    to call those contacts
    and say, "Are you OK?
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    This is the information you need,"
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    and then, and I think
    this is the critical piece,
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    when someone doesn't have the information,
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    then we have another cadre of people
    we call the resource care coordinators,
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    who help that person, that contact,
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    to do the things they need to do
    to protect themselves.
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    It might be food delivery,
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    it might be filing
    for unemployment benefits,
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    it might be trying to get them
    medical care or a test.
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    That piece is the care piece.
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    And that is what turns social distancing
    from very regressive --
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    look at me in my beautiful house,
    social distancing --
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    to something that's progressive
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    and paying attention
    to those who need the resources.
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    So the scale is massive,
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    with 1,700 employees hired to do this,
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    but they are connected
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    with local community food banks
    and churches and facilities
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    and primary health care centers as well.
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    CA: Thank you so much, Joia.
Title:
How to quickly scale up contact tracing across the US
Speaker:
Joia Mukherjee, Chris Anderson, Whitney Pennington Rodgers
Description:

Contact tracing -- the process of identifying people who may have been exposed to the coronavirus in order to slow its spread -- is a fundamental tool in the fight against COVID-19. How can we scale this critical work across the entire United States? Joia Mukherjee, chief medical officer of Partners in Health, discusses how her team is working with public health agencies to ramp up contact tracing for the country's most vulnerable communities -- and shows why it will take a compassionate approach to be truly effective. (This ambitious plan is part of The Audacious Project, TED's initiative to inspire and fund global change. The conversation, hosted by head of TED Chris Anderson and current affairs curator Whitney Pennington Rodgers, was recorded May 27, 2020.)

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