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Thank you very much.

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Thanks everybody for coming,…

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If you are packaging software and you want[br]me to work on with you,

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this is how you can do that.

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It is a very self-??? talk:

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I just want to explain some of the things[br]that I like,

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some practice that I prefer about Debian[br]packaging,

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and I don't pretend this is any sort of…

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official, permanent or final thing.

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I just wanted to share some ideas that I[br]have about the way that I work with

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packages, in the hope that maybe, hmm,[br]for two hopes:

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One is that I hope that I can show you[br]something that you have not heard of,

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or maybe you were doing differently,

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or maybe you think it is[br]the right think to do

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and it is just nice to see[br]somebody else doing it.

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My second hope is that you can tell me[br]what I am doing wrong,

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and you can help me learn and improve[br]on my own packaging techniques.

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If you see something that[br]I am proposing up here,

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and you think there is a problem with it,[br]I would like to hear about it too.

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I just want to see more of the culture[br]within Debian,

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of people who are doing packaging,[br]explaining what they are doing,

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and so I thought I would[br]just step up and explain:

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"Here is some of the practice that I do",

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In the hope that other people will do the[br]same and explain what they are doing,

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and maybe they can learn from[br]me and I can learn from them.

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Without much further ????, I am just going[br]to dive into it.

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If you have questions, I am perfectly[br]happy to be interrupted,

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we have some folks with walking mics[br]in the crowd:

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you can just raise your hand.

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I you have got a question or an[br]interruption or whatever,

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that is fine.

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I ??? I got the whole 15 minutes,[br]I think there are 20 minutes,

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I ??? the whole time, so there will be[br]also time for questions at the end

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if you prefer.

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But I do not mind being interrupted.

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So, this is all on this web page here,

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you could probably skip this talk and go[br]read the web page,

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but then you would not have the nice[br]??? actions,

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and it is easier to tell me that I am[br]wrong in person,

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so I would like to have that happen.

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I put this up on the Debian wiki,

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because I want anyone to be able to find[br]it.

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If you thing you have got some good ideas,[br]you should put it on the Debian Wiki too:

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other people can take advantage of the[br]ideas that you have got.

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First baseline is: I really like revision[br]control.

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And I know that it makes me a certain[br]flavor on nerd,

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but when we are working with things that[br]are as complicated as software packages,

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hmmm, I think a lot of people don't get[br]that in Debian we are not just working on

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one software package:

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you are actually probably, if you are doing[br]a responsibly work,

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on at least two software packages, and[br]maybe 5.

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So you have got the version that is[br]unstable and you have got

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the version that you try to maintain for[br]stable as well.

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And we are committing to doing maintenance[br]work.

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A lot of our work in the project is ???[br]in nature:

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we want to clean up the mess and we want[br]us to stay out of the way and

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to make sure things work, functionally,[br]

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for people who are relying on the[br]operating system to not get in their way.

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So revision control I think is really[br]helpful because it means you can

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keep track of what changes you have done[br]on different branches of the project

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while you are maintaining both of them.

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Basically, ??? require working with[br]the revision system I am comfortable with,

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I prefer Git, I am not going to have a[br]religious word about it.

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If upstream uses Git, I am even happier,[br]and I try to make my packaging depend on

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upstream's revision control.

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I like to use 'git-buildpackage', and I[br]like to use it with debhelper.

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If you have not tried out[br]'git-buildpackage',

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we are going to have a[br]'git-buildpackage' skill share session

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later on today actually, and I welcome[br]you to come and share your tricks with it,

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or learn some tricks from other people.

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It is a particular way that you can keep[br]your Debian packaging in a Git repository,

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and it helps you to keep track of all of[br]the changes that ave happened within

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your packaging and within upstream to[br]make sure you are not accidentally

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making other changes.

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So it is very easy to go back and review[br]what you have done.

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I find that really useful.

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I definitely also like to keep upstream's[br]source code in the same revision control

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system.

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I like to keep the tarballs in the[br]revision control system because it means

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that if someone is interested, they can[br]uses a tool called 'debcheckout'.

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You can use 'debcheckout' with a name of[br]a package:

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you say just "I am really interested in[br]package 'foo',

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let me see the source code for that":

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debcheckout foo

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You get the source code, and you get the[br]source code from a revision control

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system that you can now track and you[br]can just propose changes on.

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You can also extract the tarball from that[br]revision control system.

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'debcheckout' actually works even if you[br]do not have upstream stuff in there,

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but I like to keep it all in one revision[br]control system,

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it is just easier to find everything when[br]you want.

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Some of these things that I prefer have[br]to do with what the upstream software

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developer has done, so I am less inclined[br]to try the package an upstream software

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project if they just throw tarballs here[br]over the wall to an FTP side

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every now and then.

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It makes it more difficult for me to know[br]what they are doing,

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and why they are doing it.

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So i like it, I have already said, when[br]upstream uses Git,

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I also like when upstream signs their[br]releases,

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and say "hey, this is specific release",

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Because that is a signal that I can use,[br]or somebody else that understands the

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project: as said "we think that this[br]something that other people can use",

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or "this is a particular version we would[br]like other people to test".

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There are a lot of other situations where[br]maybe it is not so important.

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And having that be cryptographically[br]signed is really useful.

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I care about cryptographic signature on[br]software because I want to know that

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what I am running is related to the code[br]that somebody else out should be run.

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And if you don't verify your software[br]cryptographically, anyone could

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intercept the network connection[br]between you and that software,

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and modify the software before it gets[br]to you.

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And the cryptographic signature just says:

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"look, this is a version that I am OK[br]with. I am putting it out there and

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it comes from me".

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And so I can have a trace back to that[br]point.

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??? just talk about briefly about how you[br]do cryptographic verification of upstream.

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You might know upstream: you might know[br]them personally, you know their key

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already, that is fine.

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That is not the usual case: we work on[br]the Internet.

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In the situation where your upstream is[br]signing their tarballs

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and you have not met them, you do not[br]have to sign their key,

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you do not have to say "I announce this[br]is their key".

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This is probably the same one that is[br]signing every release,

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so you should keep track of that.

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Debian has a nice way to keep track of[br]that:

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you can tell Debian how to find the new[br]version of the upstream tarball.

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This is in the Debian 'watch' file.

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If you type 'man uscan', you can learn[br]more about Debian 'watch',

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and Debian 'watch' has now a feature that[br]lets you say

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"that is not only this way you find the[br]tarball,

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but upstream publishes signatures[br]and the signatures look like this".

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You know, they got a '.sig' at the end.

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So there is a particular arcane way to[br]specify that, but if you specify that,

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then 'uscan' can find not only the[br]upstream tarball but can find the

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upstream signature and, if you drop[br]upstream's signing key -

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which of course I did not put on the wiki[br]page, someone should add it that and

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fix it - you can put the upstream signing[br]key in 'debian/upstream/signing-key.asc'.

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And then if you do that, when you say[br]'uscan', you can tell…

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Maybe some people here do notk[br]now how to use 'uscan'.

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'uscan' is a very simple tool,[br]you run it from a software package that

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has a 'debian' directory, or even one[br]level up if you keep all of your software

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packages in one folder. You can go one[br]level up and say 'uscan', and it will look

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in all of the folder that are children[br]of it, and look for new version by

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trying to find for new upstreams versions[br]in 'debian/watch'.

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And if you have configured 'debian/watch'[br]properly, it can find the new upstream

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signatures, and if you have got the[br]'upstream/signing-key.asc', then

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it will actually verify the signature for[br]you as part of fetching the new

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upstream tarball.

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So you can get all of those things just[br]by setting ???? that way.

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There is a hand up down there, could we[br]get the mic down to the hand ?[br]

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Or to the person who has that hand, it is[br]not just a hand. [public laugh]

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[someone] Publish a tarball and a hash, '.sha1',[br]and sign that hash, '.sha1.asc'.

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Can 'uscan' cope with this and check the[br]signature on the hash and that the hash

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belongs to that tarball ?

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[Daniel] I do not believe that 'uscan' can[br]do that currently. So anybody out there

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who wants to make things better for the[br]world should go hack on 'uscan':

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that is a pretty straightforward thing[br]that we should fix because I agree

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that is common pattern.

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[someone] I have no answer to this[br]question by I have another question:

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how do you convince upstreams who do[br]not release tarballs or who do

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not set tags in Git ?

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[Daniel] Who do not make tags in Git ?

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[someone] Yes, if there is no tags you[br]can not check out a tarball.

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Is there any good way to convince[br]upstream to do this ?

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[Daniel] Git has this nice feature, which[br]is that you can create a tag,

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which is associate with a particular[br]revision,

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and you would like to have a tag[br]everywhere that a tarball has been

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released from. I am tempted to pull up[br]a Git view and show people some tags.

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The question that you ask is a social[br]one, not just a technical one,

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and I actually find that my upstreams[br]are pretty responsive.

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Usually I frame my request as "hey, it[br]looks like you made this tarball from

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this particular commit 'id'. If you could[br]tag you releases, it would be really

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helpful to me, and here is the command[br]that I would use to tag the release".

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And I say "git tag…" and of course I[br]can never remember so first I look it up,

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but it is either 'tag name' 'commit id' or[br]'commit id' 'tag name'.

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But I would look it up and I would write[br]the e-mail so that all they have to do is

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they read it, understand my argument,[br]and execute one command.

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And then it starts them ??????

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And if you say 'tag -s' then your tag will[br]be cryptographically signed, which

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I think is a really good thing to do too.

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So, cryptographic verification of[br]upstream.

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As I said, I want to keep upstream's code[br]in the revision control system.

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I also like to keep…

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In my ideal case upstream is using Git:[br]I am using Git for packaging.

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I actually like to keep upsteam's Git[br]history fully in my repository,

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so that I do not just have the tarballs,[br]but I actually have all of their commits.

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And that turns out to be really useful[br]for two specific cases:

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In one case, there is a common scenario[br]where upstream will fix a bug,

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but they have not made a release yet.

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And that bug is really, really obviously[br]problematic for the folks who are

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using Debian, so want to fix it.

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All I can do, because I have their full[br]revision history, I can use Git to "cherry

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pick" the upstream commit.

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And then I "cherry pick" that upstream[br]commit and I can have it applied

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separately and release an Debian version[br]that has the fix, even before upstream

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has made a release with the fix.

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So one nice thing about having upstream[br]revision is that I can pull fixes from

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upstream before they decided[br]to release it.

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The other advantage is the other[br]way around.

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Often when I am doing packaging,[br]I discover a problem,

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and maybe I can fix the problem.

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And if that maybe I am already shipping[br]a Debian package that fixes the problem.

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If my Debian fixes can be directly applied[br]to upstream, then I can use whatever

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their preferred upstream patch[br]submission guidelines are,

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whether it is a Github pull request, or[br]a patch to a mailing list,

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or a "hey can you pull this from my Git[br]repository over here", e-mail…

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The fact that I am using the same Git[br]history that they are using makes it

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much easier for me to push my changes[br]back to them.

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So, it sort of smooth the interaction if[br]you can consolidate and use the same

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revision control system as their.

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Towards that aim, I use a system now[br]called 'patch q',

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which is part of 'git buildpackage'.

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So 'git buildpackage' is 'gbp', 'patch q'[br]is 'pq',

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so to deal with 'patch q' you say[br]'gbp pq'

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and then you have some commands.

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And what that does, is it takes…

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How many of you are Debian packagers ?

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How many of you package[br]software for Debian ?

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A very large percentage, but not everyone.

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I hope some folks are considering starting[br]packaging if you have not done it yet.

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Of those of you who package software,[br]how many of you package software

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with modifications, how many of you ship[br]a modified version of upstream sources ?

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Beyond the 'debian' directory, just Debian[br]patches ?

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So the common way to do that, for the[br]Debian 3.0 ??? packaging skill, is that in

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your 'debian' directory you have a[br]'patches' sub-directory that has a set of

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individual patches that apply certain[br]changes, and they are applied in order

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based on the file called[br]'debian/patches/series'.

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So maintaining that is kind of a drag[br]when upstream makes big changes:

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then all of sudden you have got this set[br]of patches and they do not quite apply…

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I is a drag even you do not have it in[br]the 'debian/patches/' directory.

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But what Debian 'patch q' does is it maps[br]that directory of patches into a little

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branch on your Git revision history.

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So when you get a new upstream version,[br]you can say 'patch q rebase',

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and it treats it just as Git: it takes the[br]'patch q'…

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You have already imported the new version,[br]and it re-applies your patches,

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and sometimes that means some minor[br]adjustments.

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Git is really good at figuring out what[br]the right minor adjustments are to make,

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and so all of the sudden the 'patch q' is[br]re-based, you refresh it in your revision

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control system, and there you go.

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So I like to use 'git-buildpackage' 'patch q',[br]tagging, as already brought up,

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thank you for that, I like to to tag[br]everything that I release,

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I like to push that as soon as I can,[br]so that other people who are following

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my work can now where my releases[br]come from.

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The reason that I like other people[br]following my work is

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they can fix my bugs easier.

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I make mistakes, everybody makes mistakes,[br]and it is really important to me that

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if someone catches one of my mistakes,[br]I can accept their feedback,

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their criticism, their improvements,[br]as easily as possible.

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I want a low barrier to entry for people[br]to help me fix my problems,

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it is selfishness. So I try to patch it[br]and publish this things for people

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can find it.

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I am ??? on these pretty fast because[br]were are almost at the time.[br]

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I like to put in some place where other[br]people get to the them,

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at the moment I like to put them in[br]'collab-maint',

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it has some problems but it is better[br]than not publishing your stuff,

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and it is nice because it is sort of[br]a public use.

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I like to standardize how of my branches[br]are named, so if I am working on

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something that has got a stable version,[br]that is for Jessie, I will name the branch

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'jessie', because I ???

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???? multiple branches ???

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I try to push as frequently as I have made[br]something that looks sensible.

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I do not feel obliged to push my commits[br]to a public repository when I am still

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experimenting, I actually really like to[br]experiment, and I also like to keep track

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of my experiments while I am doing them.

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So I try to push when there is a sensible[br]set of changes, and I am trying to get

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myself to a point where I can understand[br]what I have done, even if it wrong.

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If I can get myself to a conceptual point[br]where it is done, I will push my changes

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so other people can see what I am[br]working on, and then work from there.

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That is OK to push something that is[br]wrong,

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as long as you push something that[br]people can understand.

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When you make a 'git commit' (if you are[br]working with Git),

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One of the things that helps me to think[br]about commit messages…

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People often think that commit messages[br]should say "what change you made".

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I think that the 'git patch' shows what[br]change what change you have made,

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and I thin your commit messages should[br]say "why you made the change".

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That is what people really want to read.

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If you need to explain technically why[br]the thing that you did

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maps to the conceptual thing that you[br]wanted to do, that is fine:

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do that in your commit message too.[br]But it is really important to say why

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you made the change. It is not just like[br]"initialize variable to 'no'":

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OK, we can see that from the patch,[br]but you what you are really saying

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is "there was a crash if someone did 'x',

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and we are avoiding that crash by[br]setting this to 'no'.

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So I like to send patches via email,

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so I try to configure Git email, which[br]make it really easy to just

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push patches back upstream.

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If I am starting taking over a project[br]that somebody else has past on,

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and they did not use Git, I will try to[br]restore all of the imports.

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I would be happy to talk with people[br]about how to do that,

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if you have questions come find me.

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I like to keep my files ???? simple:[br]there is a tool 'wrap-and-sort',

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that just canonicalizes your files to[br]make them look in a simple and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
sensible way. And it is nice because it[br]means that everything is…

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It does things like alphabetize your[br]list of build depends,

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and brake them out one per line.[br]The nice thing about that,

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since you are using revision control,[br]when you make a change

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to your build depends, the changes[br]become very easy to see:

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"oh, they added one new package here,[br]there is a single '+'".

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When ???? so you can see that kind of[br]thing.

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I like to use ? deb five ? to format[br]Debian copyright to be machine readable,

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it is nice for people who are doing scans[br]of the archive and try reason about

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what the patterns are, and licensing of[br]free software.

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And if I am doing something really crazy,[br]that is going to make a big change,

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I like to use a feature branch in[br]revision control.

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So we have got one minute left,[br]I want to open it up for other questions.

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????

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[attendee] You said you are using[br]'wrap-and-sort' which is nice,

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I had learned that ???? editors[br]- 'cme' - do the same job,

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and somehow does a better job:[br]it also ??? standard version

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if it does not fit, or it makes VCS[br]fields properly has it should be.

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'cme fix dpkg-control' fixes your[br]control file.

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[Daniel] 'cme' ? And it is in[br]what package ?

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[attendee] The package 'cme', in[br]unstable ????. In Jessie it is ????

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[Daniel] You are developing in unstable,[br]that is OK.

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'cme'[br]OK, thank you.

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Other questions or suggestions,[br]or complains ?

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[attendee] If you change the original[br]source code, and do some commits,

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how do you convert that into a series[br]of ??? patches ?

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[Daniel] I use 'patch q' for that as well,[br]so what I do is I say

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"I want to move over to my 'patch q'[br]view of the tree",

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and then I make may changes, I make[br]my commits,

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and then I say[br]'gbp pq export',

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and it takes the 'patch q' that I am on[br]and dumps it back

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into the Debian patches directory.

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If you have not use 'gbp pq', I[br]recommend looking into it.

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It takes a little while to get used to,[br]and I still screwed it up sometimes,

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but it makes easy to fix your[br]mistakes too.

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[organizer] Last question ?

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[attendee] Do you think it is possible to[br]make this 'patch q' branch

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"pullable" by upstream ?

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[Daniel] I do not actually think it is[br]possible to make it directly

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"pullable" by upstream: I think upstream[br]can cherry pick patches from it,

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but I do not see how to[br]make it "pullable".

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If someone else does, I would be[br]happy to learn.

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[organizer] This was "before last",[br]so last.

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[attendee] Do you have a recording of[br]you using the tools that you mentioned,

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a video recording would be great,[br]just to show your workflow ?

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[Daniel] I do not really know how[br]to do that: if somebody wants to

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help me do that I would be[br]happy to do it.

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I am going to give one last plug,

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I know we are out of time here,[br]sorry.

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This tool is called 'gitk'.

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This is an example - sorry we[br]should leave - but this the way

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that I visualize my revision[br]control system.

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We could do a whole other session[br]about 'gitk'.

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If you do not try to visualize your[br]revision control system,

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you are missing out: try to find a way[br]to visualize stuff,

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find one that works for you.

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Thanks for coming.

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[organizer] Thank you.