0:00:09.180,0:00:11.060 [DAVID GOLDBLATT] We're headed west-- 0:00:11.060,0:00:13.440 at the moment we're heading south-- 0:00:13.440,0:00:19.080 but we're going to the west of the city[br]to a suburb called Fietas. 0:00:26.620,0:00:29.920 [Fietas was a diverse community[br]with a large Indian population.] 0:00:29.920,0:00:33.320 [During apartheid its residents[br]were forcibly relocated.] 0:00:33.940,0:00:36.040 It's official name is Pageview, 0:00:36.700,0:00:40.840 but it came to be known[br]by its residents as Fietas. 0:00:42.100,0:00:44.850 No one knows now for sure[br]where the name came from 0:00:44.850,0:00:47.200 and if it has any meaning--[br]what it means-- 0:00:48.000,0:00:50.500 but that was the fond name[br]for the area. 0:00:53.760,0:00:56.760 When I started photographing here in '76, 0:00:57.420,0:00:59.860 the community was still largely intact. 0:01:03.860,0:01:06.100 That's the Twenty-Third Street mosque. 0:01:07.940,0:01:14.680 The houses here consist of[br]some of the original Indian houses 0:01:14.680,0:01:19.579 and then those that were built by the[br]Department of Community Development. 0:01:20.220,0:01:25.140 We were wonderful in our ability[br]to invent the meaning of words. 0:01:25.149,0:01:31.259 The Department of Community Development[br]came here and destroyed their community. 0:01:31.260,0:01:38.960 For example, these here were built by the[br]Department of Community Development. 0:01:40.760,0:01:44.380 And as you see, they are now little fortresses, 0:01:44.380,0:01:48.100 as are so many of our houses in Johannesburg. 0:01:50.140,0:01:54.659 A working class White community,[br]next door to this, 0:01:54.660,0:01:56.560 agitated for their removal. 0:01:57.320,0:02:00.980 Whites didn't want people of color[br]living next door to them. 0:02:00.980,0:02:02.760 It was as crude as that. 0:02:04.340,0:02:11.600 What happened here is typical of what[br]happened in almost every town in South Africa. 0:02:17.980,0:02:20.520 --[SALMA PATEL] You went from behind,[br]and you could buy meat. 0:02:20.860,0:02:21.660 [LAUGHS] 0:02:22.020,0:02:24.000 --I had an amazing childhood,[br]you know that! 0:02:24.520,0:02:26.660 I remember David coming on a bicycle-- 0:02:27.720,0:02:29.880 coming and cycling. 0:02:29.880,0:02:32.320 And I used to wonder,[br]"Why does he do this?" 0:02:34.740,0:02:36.760 I was going to school then. 0:02:36.760,0:02:40.940 I saw this man photographing[br]all these ruins. 0:02:41.980,0:02:45.020 In my little world in those days,[br]this was home, 0:02:45.020,0:02:52.740 and I didn't really understand the full[br]implications of forced removals. 0:02:55.740,0:03:00.640 Because of the apartheid regime's[br]racist ideologies, 0:03:00.640,0:03:02.500 this area was destroyed. 0:03:05.110,0:03:11.740 Fietas Museum is a very good way[br]to understand land dispossession, 0:03:11.740,0:03:15.700 destruction of family units,[br]and a community. 0:03:17.040,0:03:20.180 These are Paul Weinberg's photographs. 0:03:20.180,0:03:23.780 Paul and I have a long history. 0:03:23.790,0:03:26.530 He's walked this whole journey with me,[br]like with David. 0:03:26.530,0:03:29.160 I've known them for so many years. 0:03:29.160,0:03:30.910 These two photographers were very generous 0:03:30.910,0:03:33.620 in just donating the pictures[br]to the Fietas Museum. 0:03:34.920,0:03:37.060 Had it not been for their photographs, 0:03:37.060,0:03:41.040 we wouldn't have a pictorial record[br]of my forebearers 0:03:41.040,0:03:43.060 and my community. 0:03:52.400,0:03:55.600 This shows Fourteenth Street in its heyday. 0:03:55.600,0:04:02.060 As you can see, it had the elements[br]that are essential for good cities. 0:04:02.060,0:04:07.500 And that is:[br]density, diversity, and complexity. 0:04:07.500,0:04:10.900 It was a community of blended cultures. 0:04:12.020,0:04:17.260 There's an Indian concept called,[br]"upar makaan neeche dukaan," 0:04:17.260,0:04:21.740 meaning living quarters upstairs[br]and trading premises downstairs. 0:04:21.740,0:04:24.860 It's a very smart way of using space. 0:04:24.860,0:04:27.300 The people that were[br]forcibly removed from this area-- 0:04:27.300,0:04:30.660 especially in this particular street--[br]were traders. 0:04:32.920,0:04:34.560 [GOLDBLATT] White people, Black people-- 0:04:34.560,0:04:37.240 all kinds of people--[br]would come from all over the area 0:04:37.240,0:04:39.760 to shop here,[br]on Fourteenth Street. 0:04:42.980,0:04:45.350 The streets were very narrow. 0:04:45.350,0:04:50.680 I found that the best way of coming here[br]to photograph was to ride a bicycle. 0:04:50.680,0:04:53.910 I came in on a bicycle with a[br]couple of panniers on it 0:04:53.910,0:04:57.190 so that I could carry[br]a four-by-five view camera, 0:04:57.190,0:04:58.640 or a Hasselblad, 0:04:58.640,0:05:01.720 some film, and a lightweight tripod. 0:05:02.400,0:05:06.660 I would come in here and photograph[br]people, shops-- 0:05:06.660,0:05:07.780 whatever I wanted. 0:05:10.080,0:05:13.020 I got to know Ozzie Docrat, 0:05:13.020,0:05:16.200 one of the Indian men who had a shop here. 0:05:16.200,0:05:19.920 He had a shop just down the road here[br]which was called the "Subway Grocers." 0:05:21.100,0:05:24.420 If there was a big cricket match--[br]internationally-- 0:05:24.420,0:05:28.180 he would put the score outside[br]on the sidewalk, 0:05:28.180,0:05:32.920 so that people coming by could see[br]what the score was. 0:05:32.920,0:05:36.720 He knew the tram drivers who came past. 0:05:36.720,0:05:41.380 It was not impossible for a[br]tram driver to stop his tram 0:05:41.380,0:05:45.220 and go in there and say,[br]"Ozzie, you got the score wrong, man!" 0:05:45.220,0:05:47.160 "So-and-so is out now." 0:05:47.660,0:05:50.580 It was a very popular place[br]and he was a very popular man. 0:05:52.180,0:05:53.730 His home was here. 0:05:53.730,0:05:54.980 Right here. 0:05:54.980,0:05:57.960 This was the core of the house. 0:05:58.600,0:06:02.460 It was reinforced concrete, because it[br]needed to support the water tank. 0:06:06.480,0:06:11.440 When the front-end loaders came in here[br]to destroy everything in 1977, 0:06:11.440,0:06:13.340 they couldn't push this over. 0:06:13.340,0:06:14.900 It's reinforced concrete. 0:06:14.900,0:06:20.620 So it remains here now as a[br]crazy monument to apartheid. 0:06:21.760,0:06:24.300 He had to move to Lenasia, 0:06:24.310,0:06:29.200 which is the Indian suburb[br]that was set up outside the city 0:06:29.200,0:06:31.880 to absorb these people[br]who were displaced. 0:06:32.840,0:06:36.480 The government built the[br]so-called "Oriental Plaza"-- 0:06:36.480,0:06:39.460 a shopping mall which[br]they said would then 0:06:39.460,0:06:42.500 substitute for the shops that[br]they were destroying here. 0:06:44.180,0:06:45.780 One day, it is was a Sunday Morning, 0:06:45.780,0:06:48.840 I came riding here on my bicycle, 0:06:48.840,0:06:50.120 and there was Ozzie Docrat. 0:06:50.940,0:06:52.720 We greeted each other,[br]and I said to him, 0:06:52.721,0:06:54.220 "You know Mr. Docrat," 0:06:54.220,0:06:57.900 "I cannot tell you how ashamed I am[br]of what is being done here," 0:06:57.900,0:07:00.860 "to you in my name, as a White voter." 0:07:05.740,0:07:08.880 Then I said to him,[br]"You know, I've got a problem," 0:07:08.880,0:07:12.480 "because they're knocking down the buildings[br]and I can't remember what was there." 0:07:12.480,0:07:14.740 And he said, "Mr. Goldblatt," 0:07:15.340,0:07:19.240 "I feel as though I've been to the dentist," 0:07:19.250,0:07:22.040 "and I've had teeth extracted." 0:07:22.040,0:07:23.890 "And I run my tongue over the spaces," 0:07:23.890,0:07:27.280 "and I try to remember the shape[br]of what was there." 0:07:28.640,0:07:30.600 It was an extraordinary statement.