1 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,920 I remember my mother bringing us  to the British Museum in London. 2 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,640 My mother's family was from Iraq. 3 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,640 She brought us immediately  to the Assyrian galleries 4 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:29,840 and into the room that had  the Lion Hunt of Ashurbanipal. 5 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:37,120 There's nothing cooler than being ten years old  and learning that this is the first comic book 6 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,360 and your people are responsible for it. 7 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,040 She turned to us and she said, 8 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,360 "What is it doing here?" 9 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,000 Which made us keenly aware that 10 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,760 these museums were not just  these polite reliquaries 11 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,280 for things that have been  exchanged amongst cultures-- 12 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,840 that these were violently extracted. 13 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,562 It was a museum, but it was also a crime palace. 14 00:01:05,145 --> 00:01:08,218 [Michael Rakowitz: Haunting the West] 15 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:27,798 "The invisible enemy should not exist" is  this on-going work that I began in 2006. 16 00:01:28,557 --> 00:01:31,360 In the aftermath of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, 17 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:36,079 eight-thousand-plus artifacts were  looted from the National Museum of Iraq. 18 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,800 I started to think about what it would mean  for those artifacts to come back as ghosts 19 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,772 to haunt Western museums. 20 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,274 This project has unfortunately grown to include 21 00:01:52,274 --> 00:01:56,629 the archaeological sites that have  been devastated by groups like ISIS. 22 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:04,160 This installation is Room F in  the northwest palace of Nimrud. 23 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,960 When it was destroyed in 2015, 24 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,356 it was holding two hundred reliefs. 25 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,200 However, it originally had over  six hundred of these reliefs. 26 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:20,800 The majority of those reliefs  were excavated in the mid-1800s 27 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,000 and then sent to different Western institutions. 28 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:32,080 The West assigns value on the  objects from that part of the world 29 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,480 but it's not at all symmetrical  when you consider the way in which 30 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,927 there's been this devaluation of the  people that are from those places. 31 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:49,680 The reliefs are situated in accordance  with the original architectural footprint. 32 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:54,240 What this project seeks to do is  put the viewer into the position 33 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:59,600 of an Iraqi inside that palace  the day before ISIS destroyed it, 34 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,720 and to show how much of their  history they didn't have access to, 35 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,701 and the gaps that they were forced  to be looking at and looking through. 36 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:19,856 These artifacts were also forcibly removed the  way that my family was from my mother's homeland. 37 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:28,480 My mother's family left Iraq in 1947 38 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:34,480 as the result of the emergence of  nationalist ideologies in the Middle East. 39 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:39,072 The Iraqi Jews were kind of  in an impossible situation. 40 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:45,760 When they entered the U.S., there must have  been all kinds of pressures to assimilate. 41 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,837 Their assimilation story was not  one where they gave everything up. 42 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,640 My grandparents were like the first  installation artists that I ever met. 43 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,880 The house in Great Neck, Long Island, 44 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,840 everything that was on the floor was from Iraq. 45 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,720 Everything this was on the walls was from Iraq. 46 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:07,160 And what was coming out of the  kitchen was most definitely from Iraq. 47 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,760 When I was in my senior year of high school, 48 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,640 the first Gulf War happened  in front of my brothers and I. 49 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,080 My mother said to us, 50 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,000 "Do you know there's no Iraqi  restaurants in New York?" 51 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:40,127 What she was pointing out was that Iraqi culture  in the U.S. was not visible beyond oil and war. 52 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,320 As we were approaching another Iraq war, 53 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,880 I started a project that I could  collaborate with my mother on. 54 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,369 That became "Enemy Kitchen." 55 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,800 My mother distributed our family's recipes 56 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,894 and I would cook with these different groups. 57 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,040 --Make a little crater, 58 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,480 --and then you take a piece of the meat here, 59 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:07,982 --put it in the center... 60 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,920 "Enemy Kitchen" offered some kind  of opposition to the way in which 61 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,224 the war framed everything  when we spoke about Iraq. 62 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:27,036 I always talk about the one that happened  in 2006 with a group of school kids. 63 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,960 The schools that they were going to  had forbade a lot of the teachers 64 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,840 from speaking about the war directly in  their classes because so many of them 65 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:44,080 were connected to brothers and uncles-- and mothers and fathers-- 66 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,800 who were stationed in Iraq. 67 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:52,812 It was so unbelievably violent that  nobody ever thought to ask them 68 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,282 what they thought of the war. 69 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:01,680 Now "Enemy Kitchen" is a food truck  that's staffed by Iraqi chefs. 70 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:08,000 The sous chefs and servers  are American combat veterans 71 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,760 that served in Iraq. 72 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,367 Those stories are now mobilized. 73 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,680 The color schemes that my  studio and I have chosen, 74 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,120 it's a little bit like the  color returning to the body. 75 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:33,120 So there's a whole range of different  materials that one sees represented. 76 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:39,920 The anise tea bags have created the yellowish  palette for the clothing of this "apkallu." 77 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,120 This is one of my favorite colors. 78 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,680 This orange is actually an  orange that I grew up with: 79 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:52,320 the outside packaging of an apricot paste. 80 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,527 It was like the original Fruit Roll-Up. 81 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,784 If a ghost is going to properly haunt, 82 00:07:02,784 --> 00:07:07,443 it has to appear differently than the  entity appeared when it was living. 83 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,440 These reliefs use the packaging  of Middle Eastern food stuffs. 84 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,680 Because of Homeland Security, for  anything that is coming from Iraq, 85 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,799 it would be too prohibitive  for somebody to import it. 86 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,880 A can of date syrup labeled  as being "product of Lebanon" 87 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,520 is actually processed in the Iraqi capital 88 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,780 and then it's driven to Lebanon where  it gets sold to the rest of the world. 89 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:44,320 The object in the museum holds its value  because it can tell you where it was from. 90 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,423 The date syrup not being able to  tell you where they were from, 91 00:07:48,423 --> 00:07:52,347 that was the skin that these  artifacts should have to wear 92 00:07:52,347 --> 00:07:54,565 when they come back as ghosts. 93 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:06,006 There's more than eight thousand  artifacts that are still at large. 94 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:11,280 Of those, we've made just a bit over nine hundred. 95 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:16,164 This is a project that is going  to outlive me and my studio. 96 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:18,962 --Hey! 97 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:20,939 --Salaam! 98 00:08:22,543 --> 00:08:24,023 [ASSISTANT] --How are you? 99 00:08:25,151 --> 00:08:26,613 [ALL LAUGH] 100 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:33,510 [ASSISTANT] --I prepped some wing spines at my house. 101 00:08:33,965 --> 00:08:35,815 [RAKOWITZ] --Oh, that's beautiful, Denise! 102 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:43,600 Once the studio went into lockdown  as a result of the pandemic, 103 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:50,000 I was very adamant about making sure that  everybody in the studio was going to be okay. 104 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,840 I wanted them to be able to continue to work. 105 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,680 The assistants come for a visit every few weeks 106 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:02,650 and they pick up more materials. 107 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,600 --I'm currently working on this funerary bust. 108 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:17,760 --I've just started working on an artifact  that was originally from eastern Iraq. 109 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:23,262 --This is a figure from Mesopotamia,  specifically from the Khafaje region. 110 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,680 In this moment where we've lost  the close proximity to one another 111 00:09:29,680 --> 00:09:32,766 and we're making these lost objects, 112 00:09:32,766 --> 00:09:35,440 we still have these moments  where we can locate one another 113 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,379 and feel like we're not alone. 114 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:52,804 When I was nominated in 2015 for  the Fourth Plinth project in London, 115 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,796 ISIS attacked Nineveh and Nimrud. 116 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,840 The "lamassu" were basically reduced to pebbles. 117 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:10,800 I recognized the fact that I was going to  be working in public space on a pedestal-- 118 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,720 that this was the city of London, 119 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,880 the heart of empire-- 120 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:20,240 and a very short walk away  brings one to the British Museum, 121 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,440 that I had visited with my mother decades before, 122 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,483 where they have several "lamassu." 123 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,000 The Tate Modern had reached out to me 124 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,634 about the possibility of them  serving as a custodian for this work. 125 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:57,040 I did not want to somehow just repeat these  imperial museums being seen as caretakers. 126 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:02,800 I wanted the work to be  shared by an Iraqi museum. 127 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,411 It kept the problems of where  something belongs alive. 128 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,320 A diasporic sculpture with wings, 129 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,000 moving between two places, 130 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,480 representing the conditions of modern Iraqis, 131 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,586 where there's no fixed place. 132 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,240 If we're to have conversations about  what decolonization truly looks like, 133 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,419 it's accompanied by repair 134 00:11:31,419 --> 00:11:34,080 and it's accompanied by accountability. 135 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,589 That work is actually something that's never done.