netscape is a course known for it's netscape navigator product first commercial rows on the web so first of all first generation really use to get on the web and successful for a while and then competition became quite stiff from microsoft the different way to compete would be by building a shared asset such as netscape versus microsoft that netscape would gather contributions over volunteer and other commercial produ-- commercial partners and build a product that will be shared and that good for people knew that to be open source you had to be real he couldn't just say "oh we're open source love us" you really had to manage it different way engine so at the time there was six or seven or eight of us who are employed by netscape who is now sold out our staff and another 100 or 150 employed by netscape as netscape engineers build a netscape product and contributing their work to the mozilla open source project so we are all in the same building they all went to many in the same meetings but we had a slightly different calls because although we call it the netscape product netscape had been purchased by AOL already and so the client itself was diminishing and importance and the important netscape client to push traffic to the AOL