1 00:00:01,014 --> 00:00:02,301 Hello, everybody. 2 00:00:02,325 --> 00:00:06,449 I'm honored to be here to talk to you, 3 00:00:06,473 --> 00:00:11,656 and what I'm going to talk about today is luck and justice 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:13,602 and the relation between them. 5 00:00:14,373 --> 00:00:15,530 Some years ago, 6 00:00:15,554 --> 00:00:18,952 a former student of mine called me 7 00:00:18,976 --> 00:00:21,014 to talk about his daughter. 8 00:00:21,038 --> 00:00:23,473 It turns out his daughter was a high school senior, 9 00:00:23,497 --> 00:00:28,521 was seriously interested in applying to Swarthmore, 10 00:00:28,545 --> 00:00:29,847 where I taught, 11 00:00:29,871 --> 00:00:35,323 and he wanted to get my sense of whether she would get in. 12 00:00:35,347 --> 00:00:39,681 Swarthmore is an extremely hard school to get into. 13 00:00:39,705 --> 00:00:42,378 So I said, "Well, tell me about her." 14 00:00:42,402 --> 00:00:44,135 And he told me about her, 15 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,706 what her grades were like, her board scores, 16 00:00:46,730 --> 00:00:49,366 her extracurricular activities. 17 00:00:49,390 --> 00:00:51,446 And she just sounded like a superstar, 18 00:00:51,470 --> 00:00:53,580 wonderful, wonderful kid. 19 00:00:54,119 --> 00:00:56,164 So I said, "She sounds fabulous. 20 00:00:56,188 --> 00:00:58,850 She sounds like just the kind of student 21 00:00:58,874 --> 00:01:02,140 that Swarthmore would love to have." 22 00:01:02,164 --> 00:01:05,428 And so he said, "Well, does that mean that she'll get in?" 23 00:01:06,035 --> 00:01:08,034 And I said, "No. 24 00:01:08,762 --> 00:01:13,042 There just aren't enough spots in the Swarthmore class 25 00:01:13,066 --> 00:01:14,757 for everybody who's good. 26 00:01:14,781 --> 00:01:18,764 There aren't enough spots at Harvard or Yale or Princeton or Stanford. 27 00:01:18,788 --> 00:01:23,256 There aren't enough spots at Google or Amazon or Apple. 28 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:28,100 There aren't enough spots at the TED Conference. 29 00:01:28,124 --> 00:01:30,340 There are an awful lot of good people, 30 00:01:30,364 --> 00:01:33,478 and some of them are not going to make it." 31 00:01:34,621 --> 00:01:37,207 So he said, "Well, what are we supposed to do?" 32 00:01:38,073 --> 00:01:40,956 And I said, "That's a very good question." 33 00:01:41,833 --> 00:01:44,100 What are we supposed to do? 34 00:01:44,124 --> 00:01:48,185 And I know what colleges and universities have done. 35 00:01:48,209 --> 00:01:51,146 In the interest of fairness, 36 00:01:51,170 --> 00:01:56,113 what they've done is they've kept ratcheting up the standards 37 00:01:56,137 --> 00:02:02,230 because it doesn't seem fair to admit less qualified people 38 00:02:02,254 --> 00:02:04,841 and reject better qualified people, 39 00:02:04,865 --> 00:02:09,141 so you just keep raising the standards higher and higher 40 00:02:09,165 --> 00:02:11,394 until they're high enough that you can admit 41 00:02:11,418 --> 00:02:15,684 only the number of students that you can fit. 42 00:02:15,708 --> 00:02:22,186 And this violates a lot of people's sense of what justice and fairness is. 43 00:02:22,210 --> 00:02:25,188 People in American society have different opinions 44 00:02:25,212 --> 00:02:28,995 about what it means to say that some sort of process is just, 45 00:02:29,019 --> 00:02:32,813 but I think there's one thing that pretty much everyone agrees on, 46 00:02:32,837 --> 00:02:35,927 that in a just system, a fair system, 47 00:02:35,951 --> 00:02:37,846 people get what they deserve. 48 00:02:38,322 --> 00:02:40,994 And what I was telling my former student 49 00:02:41,018 --> 00:02:45,160 is that when it comes to college admissions, 50 00:02:45,184 --> 00:02:49,294 it just isn't true that people get what they deserve. 51 00:02:49,318 --> 00:02:52,828 Some people get what they deserve, and some people don't, 52 00:02:52,852 --> 00:02:56,002 and that's just the way it is. 53 00:02:56,026 --> 00:02:59,649 When you ratchet up requirements as colleges have done, 54 00:02:59,673 --> 00:03:02,673 what you do is you create a crazy competition 55 00:03:02,697 --> 00:03:05,062 among high school kids, 56 00:03:05,086 --> 00:03:08,384 because it's not adequate to be good, 57 00:03:08,408 --> 00:03:10,411 it's not adequate to be good enough, 58 00:03:10,435 --> 00:03:14,111 you have to be better than everybody else who is also applying. 59 00:03:14,135 --> 00:03:16,302 And what this has done, 60 00:03:16,326 --> 00:03:18,108 or what this has contributed to, 61 00:03:18,132 --> 00:03:21,680 is a kind of epidemic of anxiety and depression 62 00:03:21,704 --> 00:03:25,138 that is just crushing our teenagers. 63 00:03:25,162 --> 00:03:28,491 We are wrecking a generation with this kind of competition. 64 00:03:28,890 --> 00:03:30,660 As I was thinking about this, 65 00:03:30,684 --> 00:03:33,743 it occurred to me there's a way to fix this problem. 66 00:03:34,096 --> 00:03:35,877 And here's what we could do: 67 00:03:37,056 --> 00:03:39,573 when people apply to college, 68 00:03:39,597 --> 00:03:45,481 we distinguish between the applicants who are good enough to be successful 69 00:03:45,505 --> 00:03:47,324 and the ones who aren't, 70 00:03:47,348 --> 00:03:50,889 and we reject the ones who aren't good enough to be successful, 71 00:03:50,913 --> 00:03:54,646 and then we take all of the others, and we put their names in a hat, 72 00:03:54,670 --> 00:03:56,962 and we just pick them out at random 73 00:03:56,986 --> 00:03:58,921 and admit them. 74 00:03:58,945 --> 00:04:02,548 In other words, we do college admissions by lottery, 75 00:04:02,572 --> 00:04:08,224 and maybe we do job offers at tech companies by lottery, 76 00:04:08,248 --> 00:04:09,605 and -- perish the thought -- 77 00:04:09,629 --> 00:04:14,024 maybe we even make decisions about who gets invited to talk at TED 78 00:04:14,048 --> 00:04:15,276 by lottery. 79 00:04:15,672 --> 00:04:17,676 Now, don't misunderstand me, 80 00:04:17,700 --> 00:04:22,206 a lottery like this is not going to eliminate the injustice. 81 00:04:22,230 --> 00:04:26,410 There will still be plenty of people who don't get what they deserve. 82 00:04:26,434 --> 00:04:28,568 But at least it's honest. 83 00:04:28,592 --> 00:04:34,738 It reveals the injustice for what it is instead of pretending otherwise, 84 00:04:34,762 --> 00:04:37,964 and it punctures the incredible pressure balloon 85 00:04:37,988 --> 00:04:42,170 that our high school kids are now living under. 86 00:04:42,847 --> 00:04:46,673 So why is it that this perfectly reasonable proposal, 87 00:04:46,697 --> 00:04:48,892 if I do say so myself, 88 00:04:48,916 --> 00:04:51,165 doesn't get any serious discussion? 89 00:04:51,776 --> 00:04:53,215 I think I know why. 90 00:04:53,663 --> 00:04:56,522 I think it's that we hate the idea 91 00:04:56,546 --> 00:05:03,092 that really important things in life might happen by luck or by chance, 92 00:05:03,116 --> 00:05:07,694 that really important things in our lives are not under our control. 93 00:05:07,718 --> 00:05:09,127 I hate that idea. 94 00:05:09,151 --> 00:05:12,239 It's not surprising that people hate that idea, 95 00:05:12,263 --> 00:05:15,970 but it simply is the way things are. 96 00:05:16,759 --> 00:05:21,516 First of all, college admissions already is a lottery. 97 00:05:21,540 --> 00:05:25,102 It's just that the admissions officers pretend that it isn't. 98 00:05:25,126 --> 00:05:27,243 So let's be honest about it. 99 00:05:27,267 --> 00:05:28,716 And second, 100 00:05:28,740 --> 00:05:32,129 I think if we appreciated that it was a lottery, 101 00:05:32,153 --> 00:05:36,575 it would also get us to acknowledge the importance of good fortune 102 00:05:36,599 --> 00:05:38,939 in almost every one of our lives. 103 00:05:38,963 --> 00:05:41,419 Take me. 104 00:05:41,981 --> 00:05:46,688 Almost all the most significant events in my life have occurred, 105 00:05:46,712 --> 00:05:47,912 to a large degree, 106 00:05:47,936 --> 00:05:49,615 as a result of good luck. 107 00:05:50,779 --> 00:05:54,078 When I was in seventh grade, my family left New York 108 00:05:54,102 --> 00:05:56,519 and went to Westchester County. 109 00:05:56,543 --> 00:05:58,162 Right at the beginning of school, 110 00:05:58,186 --> 00:06:01,456 I met a lovely young girl who became my friend, 111 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,873 then she became my best friend, 112 00:06:03,897 --> 00:06:06,789 then she became my girlfriend 113 00:06:06,813 --> 00:06:09,243 and then she became my wife. 114 00:06:09,267 --> 00:06:11,329 Happily, she's been my wife now 115 00:06:11,353 --> 00:06:13,456 for 52 years. 116 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,257 I had very little to do with this. This was a lucky accident. 117 00:06:18,056 --> 00:06:19,525 I went off to college, 118 00:06:19,549 --> 00:06:25,009 and in my first semester, I signed up for a class in introduction to psychology. 119 00:06:25,033 --> 00:06:27,129 I didn't even know what psychology was, 120 00:06:27,153 --> 00:06:29,880 but it fit into my schedule and it met requirements, 121 00:06:29,904 --> 00:06:31,079 so I took it. 122 00:06:31,103 --> 00:06:33,429 And by luck, the class was taught 123 00:06:33,453 --> 00:06:38,215 by a superstar introductory psychology teacher, a legend. 124 00:06:38,767 --> 00:06:42,012 Because of that, I became a psychology major. 125 00:06:42,036 --> 00:06:43,861 Went off to graduate school. 126 00:06:43,885 --> 00:06:45,765 I was finishing up. 127 00:06:45,789 --> 00:06:48,546 A friend of mine who taught at Swarthmore decided 128 00:06:48,570 --> 00:06:51,373 he didn't want to be a professor anymore, 129 00:06:51,397 --> 00:06:54,489 and so he quit to go to medical school. 130 00:06:55,072 --> 00:06:57,630 The job that he occupied opened up, 131 00:06:57,654 --> 00:07:00,430 I applied for it, I got it, 132 00:07:00,454 --> 00:07:02,951 the only job I've ever applied for. 133 00:07:02,975 --> 00:07:06,378 I spent 45 years teaching at Swarthmore, 134 00:07:06,402 --> 00:07:10,812 an institution that had an enormous impact on the shape that my career took. 135 00:07:10,836 --> 00:07:12,879 And to just give one last example, 136 00:07:12,903 --> 00:07:16,716 I was giving a talk about some of my work in New York, 137 00:07:16,740 --> 00:07:20,813 and there was somebody in the audience who came up to me after my talk. 138 00:07:20,837 --> 00:07:22,229 He introduced himself. 139 00:07:22,253 --> 00:07:23,878 He said, "My name is Chris. 140 00:07:23,902 --> 00:07:26,212 Would you like to give a talk at TED?" 141 00:07:27,370 --> 00:07:30,094 And my response was, "What's TED?" 142 00:07:31,090 --> 00:07:33,356 Well, I mean, he told me, 143 00:07:33,380 --> 00:07:37,338 and TED then wasn't what it is now. 144 00:07:37,362 --> 00:07:38,825 But in the intervening years, 145 00:07:38,849 --> 00:07:41,149 the talks I've given at TED have been watched 146 00:07:41,173 --> 00:07:43,756 by more than 20 million people. 147 00:07:44,278 --> 00:07:46,713 So the conclusion is, I'm a lucky man. 148 00:07:46,737 --> 00:07:48,533 I'm lucky about my marriage. 149 00:07:48,557 --> 00:07:50,251 I'm lucky about my education. 150 00:07:50,275 --> 00:07:52,403 I'm lucky about my career. 151 00:07:52,427 --> 00:07:58,521 And I'm lucky to have had a platform and a voice at something like TED. 152 00:07:58,545 --> 00:08:00,673 Did I deserve the success I've had? 153 00:08:00,697 --> 00:08:02,482 Sure I deserve that success, 154 00:08:02,506 --> 00:08:05,318 just as you probably deserve your success. 155 00:08:05,342 --> 00:08:10,757 But lots of people also deserve successes like ours 156 00:08:10,781 --> 00:08:12,718 who haven't had it. 157 00:08:13,620 --> 00:08:16,276 So do people get what they deserve? 158 00:08:16,300 --> 00:08:18,310 Is society just? 159 00:08:19,042 --> 00:08:20,754 Of course not. 160 00:08:20,778 --> 00:08:26,794 Working hard and playing by the rules is just no guarantee of anything. 161 00:08:26,818 --> 00:08:31,118 If we appreciate the inevitability of this kind of injustice 162 00:08:31,142 --> 00:08:33,718 and the centrality of good fortune, 163 00:08:33,742 --> 00:08:36,171 we might ask ourselves 164 00:08:36,195 --> 00:08:38,251 what responsibilities do we have 165 00:08:38,275 --> 00:08:44,056 to the people we are now celebrating as heroes in this time of the pandemic 166 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,591 when a serious illness befalls their family 167 00:08:47,615 --> 00:08:51,593 to make sure that they remain whole and their lives aren't ruined 168 00:08:51,617 --> 00:08:55,641 by the cost of dealing with the illness? 169 00:08:55,665 --> 00:08:59,466 What do we owe people who struggle, 170 00:08:59,490 --> 00:09:02,867 work hard and are less lucky than we are? 171 00:09:03,507 --> 00:09:05,641 About a half century ago, 172 00:09:05,665 --> 00:09:09,522 the philosopher John Rawls wrote a book called "A Theory of Justice," 173 00:09:09,546 --> 00:09:14,808 and in that book, he introduced a concept that he called "the veil of ignorance." 174 00:09:14,832 --> 00:09:16,422 The question he posed was: 175 00:09:16,446 --> 00:09:22,126 If you didn't know what your position in society was going to be, 176 00:09:22,150 --> 00:09:26,166 what kind of a society would you want to create? 177 00:09:26,190 --> 00:09:27,898 And what he suggested 178 00:09:27,922 --> 00:09:30,995 is that when we don't know whether we're going to enter society 179 00:09:31,019 --> 00:09:32,838 at the top or at the bottom, 180 00:09:32,862 --> 00:09:36,660 what we want is a society that is pretty damn equal, 181 00:09:36,684 --> 00:09:38,530 so that even the unlucky 182 00:09:38,554 --> 00:09:43,333 will be able to live decent, meaningful and satisfying lives. 183 00:09:43,357 --> 00:09:49,338 So bring this back, all of you lucky, successful people, to your communities, 184 00:09:49,362 --> 00:09:56,340 and do what you can to make sure that we honor and take care of 185 00:09:56,364 --> 00:10:00,369 people who are just as deserving of success as we are, 186 00:10:00,393 --> 00:10:02,269 but just not as lucky. 187 00:10:02,293 --> 00:10:03,707 Thank you.