Every day you live, you impact the planet
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0:02 - 0:04Chris Anderson: Dr. Jane Goodall, welcome.
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0:05 - 0:06Jane Goodall: Thank you,
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0:06 - 0:10and I think, you know,
we couldn't have a complete interview -
0:10 - 0:12unless people know Mr. H is with me,
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0:12 - 0:14because everybody knows Mr. H.
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0:16 - 0:18CA: Hello, Mr. H.
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0:19 - 0:21In your TED Talk 17 years ago,
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0:21 - 0:27you warned us about the dangers
of humans crowding out the natural world. -
0:27 - 0:29Is there any sense in which you feel
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0:29 - 0:32that the current pandemic
is kind of, nature striking back? -
0:32 - 0:38JG: It's very, very clear
that these zoonotic diseases, -
0:38 - 0:43like the corona and HIV/AIDS
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0:43 - 0:47and all sorts of other diseases
that we catch from animals, -
0:47 - 0:50that's partly to do
with destruction of the environment, -
0:50 - 0:54which, as animals lose habitat,
they get crowded together -
0:54 - 0:58and sometimes that means
that a virus from a reservoir species, -
0:58 - 1:01where it's lived harmoniously
for maybe hundreds of years, -
1:01 - 1:03jumps into a new species,
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1:04 - 1:09then you also get animals being pushed
into closer contact with humans. -
1:09 - 1:15And sometimes one of these animals
that has caught a virus can -- -
1:15 - 1:19you know, provides the opportunity
for that virus to jump into people -
1:19 - 1:23and create a new disease, like COVID-19.
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1:23 - 1:25And in addition to that,
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1:25 - 1:28we are so disrespecting animals.
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1:28 - 1:30We hunt them,
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1:30 - 1:32we kill them, we eat them,
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1:32 - 1:33we traffic them,
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1:33 - 1:40we send them off
to the wild-animal markets -
1:40 - 1:41in Asia,
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1:41 - 1:44where they're in terrible,
cramped conditions, in tiny cages, -
1:44 - 1:49with people being contaminated
with blood and urine and feces, -
1:49 - 1:53ideal conditions for a virus
to spill from an animal to an animal, -
1:53 - 1:55or an animal to a person.
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1:55 - 1:59CA: I'd love to just dip
backwards in time for a bit, -
2:00 - 2:01because your story is so extraordinary.
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2:01 - 2:06I mean, despite the arguably
even more sexist attitudes of the 1960s, -
2:06 - 2:08somehow you were able to break through
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2:08 - 2:12and become one of the world's
leading scientists, -
2:12 - 2:15discovering this astonishing
series of facts about chimpanzees, -
2:15 - 2:18such as their tool use and so much more.
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2:18 - 2:21What was it about you, do you think,
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2:21 - 2:24that allowed you to make
such a breakthrough? -
2:24 - 2:27JG: Well, the thing is,
I was born loving animals, -
2:27 - 2:30and the most important thing was,
I had a very supportive mother. -
2:30 - 2:33She didn't get mad when she found
earthworms in my bed, -
2:33 - 2:36she just said they better be
in the garden. -
2:36 - 2:38And she didn't get mad
when I disappeared for four hours -
2:38 - 2:41and she called the police,
and I was sitting in a hen house, -
2:41 - 2:45because nobody would tell me
where the hole was where the egg came out. -
2:45 - 2:47I had no dream of being a scientist,
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2:47 - 2:49because women didn't do
that sort of thing. -
2:50 - 2:53In fact, there weren't any man
doing it back then, either. -
2:53 - 2:55And everybody laughed at me except Mom,
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2:55 - 2:58who said, "If you really want this,
you're going to have to work awfully hard, -
2:58 - 3:00take advantage of every opportunity,
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3:00 - 3:02if you don't give up,
maybe you'll find a way." -
3:02 - 3:07CA: And somehow, you were able to kind of,
earn the trust of chimpanzees -
3:07 - 3:10in the way that no one else had.
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3:11 - 3:16Looking back, what were the most
exciting moments that you discovered -
3:16 - 3:19or what is it that people
still don't get about chimpanzees? -
3:20 - 3:24JG: Well, the thing is,
you say, "See things nobody else had, -
3:24 - 3:26get their trust."
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3:26 - 3:27Nobody else had tried.
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3:27 - 3:29Quite honestly.
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3:29 - 3:34So, basically, I used the same techniques
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3:34 - 3:39that I had to study the animals
around my home when I was a child. -
3:39 - 3:40Just sitting, patiently,
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3:40 - 3:43not trying to get too close too quickly,
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3:43 - 3:47but it was awful, because the money
was only for six months. -
3:47 - 3:50I mean, you can imagine
how difficult to get money -
3:50 - 3:52for a young girl with no degree,
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3:52 - 3:55to go and do something as bizarre
as sitting in a forest. -
3:55 - 3:57And you know, finally,
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3:57 - 4:01we got money for six months
from an American philanthropist, -
4:01 - 4:05and I knew with time
I'd get the chimps' trust, -
4:05 - 4:06but did I have time?
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4:06 - 4:11And weeks became months
and then finally, after about four months, -
4:11 - 4:14one chimpanzee began to lose his fear,
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4:14 - 4:17and it was he that
on one occasion I saw -- -
4:17 - 4:20I still wasn't really close,
but I had my binoculars -- -
4:20 - 4:25and I saw him using and making tools
to fish for termites. -
4:25 - 4:28And although I wasn't terribly surprised,
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4:28 - 4:32because I've read about things
captive chimps could do -- -
4:32 - 4:34but I knew that science believed
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4:34 - 4:38that humans, and only humans,
used and made tools. -
4:38 - 4:41And I knew how excited
[Dr. Louis] Leakey would be. -
4:41 - 4:43And it was that observation
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4:43 - 4:46that enabled him to go
to the National Geographic, -
4:46 - 4:50and they said, "OK, we'll continue
to support the research," -
4:50 - 4:54and they sent Hugo van Lawick,
the photographer-filmmaker, -
4:54 - 4:57to record what I was seeing.
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4:57 - 5:01So a lot of scientists
didn't want to believe the tool-using. -
5:01 - 5:04In fact, one of them said
I must have taught the chimps. -
5:04 - 5:06(Laughter)
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5:06 - 5:09Since I couldn't get near them,
it would have been a miracle. -
5:09 - 5:12But anyway, once they saw Hugo's film
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5:12 - 5:16and that with all my descriptions
of their behavior, -
5:16 - 5:19the scientists had to start
changing their minds. -
5:19 - 5:22CA: And since then,
numerous other discoveries -
5:22 - 5:27that placed chimpanzees much closer
to humans than people cared to believe. -
5:27 - 5:30I think I saw you say at one point
that they have a sense of humor. -
5:30 - 5:33How have you seen that expressed?
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5:33 - 5:37JG: Well, you see it
when they're playing games, -
5:37 - 5:39and there's a bigger one
playing with a little one, -
5:39 - 5:42and he's trailing a vine around a tree.
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5:42 - 5:45And every time the little one
is about to catch it, -
5:45 - 5:47the bigger one pulls it away,
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5:47 - 5:48and the little one starts crying
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5:48 - 5:50and the big one starts laughing.
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5:50 - 5:52So, you know.
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5:54 - 6:00CA: And then, Jane, you observed
something much more troubling, -
6:00 - 6:05which was these instances
of chimpanzee gangs, -
6:05 - 6:11tribes, groups, being brutally
violent to each other. -
6:11 - 6:14I'm curious how you process that.
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6:14 - 6:18And whether it made you, kind of,
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6:18 - 6:20I don't know, depressed about us,
we're close to them, -
6:20 - 6:24did it make you feel
that violence is irredeemably -
6:24 - 6:27part of all the great apes, somehow?
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6:28 - 6:31JG: Well, it obviously is.
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6:31 - 6:36And my first encounter
with human, what I call evil, -
6:36 - 6:37was the end of the war
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6:37 - 6:40and the pictures from the Holocaust.
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6:40 - 6:43And you know, that really shocked me.
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6:43 - 6:44That changed who I was.
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6:44 - 6:46I was 10, I think, at the time.
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6:46 - 6:49And when the chimpanzees,
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6:49 - 6:52when I realized they have this
dark, brutal side, -
6:52 - 6:55I thought they were like us but nicer.
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6:55 - 6:57And then I realized
they're even more like us -
6:57 - 6:59than I had thought.
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6:59 - 7:03And at that time, in the early '70s,
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7:03 - 7:04it was very strange,
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7:04 - 7:06aggression, there was a big thing
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7:06 - 7:10about, is aggression innate or learned.
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7:10 - 7:12And it became political.
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7:12 - 7:16And it was, I don't know,
it was a very strange time, -
7:16 - 7:18and I was coming out, saying,
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7:18 - 7:20"No, I think aggression is definitely
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7:20 - 7:24part of our inherited
repertoire of behaviors." -
7:24 - 7:30And I asked a very respected scientist
what he really thought, -
7:30 - 7:32because he was coming out
on the clean slate, -
7:32 - 7:34aggression is learned,
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7:34 - 7:38and he said, "Jane, I'd rather not talk
about what I really think." -
7:38 - 7:42That was a big shock
as far as science was concerned for me. -
7:43 - 7:47CA: I was brought up to believe a world
of all things bright and beautiful. -
7:47 - 7:53You know, numerous beautiful films
of butterflies and bees and flowers, -
7:53 - 7:56and you know, nature
as this gorgeous landscape. -
7:56 - 8:02And many environmentalists
often seem to take the stance, -
8:02 - 8:06"Yes, nature is pure,
nature is beautiful, humans are bad," -
8:06 - 8:09but then you have the kind of
observations that you see, -
8:09 - 8:12when you actually look
at any part of nature in more detail, -
8:12 - 8:14you see things to be
terrified by, honestly. -
8:14 - 8:16What do you make of nature,
how do you think of it, -
8:16 - 8:19how should we think of it?
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8:19 - 8:21JG: Nature is, you know,
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8:21 - 8:25I mean, you think of the whole
spectrum of evolution, -
8:25 - 8:29and there's something about going
to a pristine place, -
8:29 - 8:33and Africa was very pristine
when I was young. -
8:33 - 8:36And there were animals everywhere.
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8:36 - 8:40And I never liked the fact
that lions killed, -
8:40 - 8:43they have to, I mean, that's what they do,
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8:43 - 8:46if they didn't kill animals,
they would die. -
8:46 - 8:50And the big difference
between them and us, I think, -
8:50 - 8:56is that they do what they do
because that's what they have to do. -
8:56 - 8:59And we can plan to do things.
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8:59 - 9:01Our plans are very different.
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9:01 - 9:05We can plan to cut down a whole forest,
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9:05 - 9:08because we want to sell the timber,
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9:08 - 9:10or because we want to build
another shopping mall, -
9:10 - 9:11something like that.
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9:11 - 9:16So our destruction of nature
and our warfare, -
9:16 - 9:20we're capable of evil
because we can sit comfortably -
9:20 - 9:23and plan the torture of somebody far away.
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9:23 - 9:24That's evil.
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9:24 - 9:28Chimpanzees have a sort of primitive war,
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9:28 - 9:29and they can be very aggressive,
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9:30 - 9:31but it's of the moment.
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9:31 - 9:32It's how they feel.
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9:32 - 9:35It's response to an emotion.
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9:35 - 9:38CA: So your observation
of the sophistication of chimpanzees -
9:38 - 9:42doesn't go as far as what
some people would want to say -
9:42 - 9:44is the sort of the human superpower,
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9:44 - 9:50of being able to really simulate
the future in our minds in great detail -
9:50 - 9:52and make long-term plans.
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9:52 - 9:58And act to encourage each other
to achieve those long-term plans. -
9:58 - 10:01That that feels, even to someone
who spent so much time with chimpanzees, -
10:01 - 10:04that feels like a fundamentally
different skill set -
10:04 - 10:07that we just have to take
responsibility for -
10:07 - 10:09and use much more wisely than we do.
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10:09 - 10:11JG: Yes, and I personally think,
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10:11 - 10:14I mean, there's a lot
of discussion about this, -
10:14 - 10:18but I think it's a fact that we developed
the way of communication -
10:18 - 10:19that you and I are using.
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10:19 - 10:22And because we have words,
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10:22 - 10:25I mean, animal communication
is way more sophisticated -
10:25 - 10:26than we used to think.
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10:26 - 10:28And chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans
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10:28 - 10:32can learn human sign language of the Deaf.
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10:33 - 10:38But we sort of grow up speaking
whatever language it is. -
10:38 - 10:42So I can tell you about things
that you've never heard of. -
10:42 - 10:44And a chimpanzee couldn't do that.
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10:44 - 10:50And we can teach our children
about abstract things. -
10:50 - 10:52And chimpanzees couldn't do that.
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10:52 - 10:55So yes, chimpanzees can do
all sorts of clever things, -
10:55 - 11:00and so can elephants and so can crows
and so can octopuses, -
11:00 - 11:04but we design rockets
that go off to another planet -
11:04 - 11:06and little robots taking photographs,
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11:06 - 11:11and we've designed this extraordinary way
of you and me talking -
11:11 - 11:13in our different parts of the world.
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11:13 - 11:15When I was young, when I grew up,
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11:15 - 11:18there was no TV,
there were no cell phones, -
11:18 - 11:19there was no computers.
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11:19 - 11:21It was such a different world,
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11:21 - 11:25I had a pencil, pen
and notebook, that was it. -
11:25 - 11:27CA: So just going back
to this question about nature, -
11:27 - 11:29because I think about this a lot,
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11:29 - 11:32and I struggle with this, honestly.
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11:33 - 11:37So much of your work,
so much of so many people who I respect, -
11:37 - 11:44is about this passion for trying
not to screw up the natural world. -
11:44 - 11:47So is it possible, is it healthy,
is it essential, perhaps, -
11:47 - 11:52to simultaneously accept
that many aspects of nature -
11:52 - 11:54are terrifying,
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11:54 - 11:57but also, I don't know, that it's awesome,
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11:57 - 12:02and that some of the awesomeness
comes from its potential to be terrifying -
12:02 - 12:07and that it is also just
breathtakingly beautiful, -
12:07 - 12:11and that we cannot be ourselves,
because we are part of nature, -
12:11 - 12:13we cannot be whole
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12:13 - 12:17unless we somehow embrace it
and are part of it? -
12:17 - 12:22Help me with the language, Jane,
on how that relationship should be. -
12:22 - 12:26JG: Well, I think one of the problems is,
you know, as we developed our intellect, -
12:26 - 12:29and we became better and better
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12:29 - 12:32at modifying the environment
for our own use, -
12:32 - 12:35and creating fields and growing crops
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12:35 - 12:38where it used to be forest or woodland,
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12:38 - 12:41and you know, we won't go into that now,
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12:41 - 12:45but we have this ability to change nature.
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12:45 - 12:49And as we've moved more
into towns and cities, -
12:49 - 12:53and relied more on technology,
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12:53 - 12:57many people feel so divorced
from the natural world. -
12:57 - 13:00And there's hundreds,
thousands of children -
13:00 - 13:01growing up in inner cities,
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13:01 - 13:04where there basically isn't any nature,
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13:04 - 13:09which is why this movement now
to green our cities is so important. -
13:09 - 13:12And you know, they've done experiments,
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13:12 - 13:15I think it was in Chicago,
I'm not quite sure, -
13:15 - 13:18and there were various empty lots
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13:18 - 13:22in a very violent part of town.
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13:22 - 13:25So in some of those areas
they made it green, -
13:25 - 13:30they put trees and flowers and things,
shrubs in these vacant lots. -
13:30 - 13:33And the crime rate went right down.
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13:33 - 13:36So then of course,
they put trees in the other half. -
13:37 - 13:39So it just shows, and also,
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13:39 - 13:42there have been studies done
showing that children -
13:42 - 13:46really need green nature
for good psychological development. -
13:47 - 13:50But we are, as you say, part of nature
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13:50 - 13:54and we disrespect it, as we are,
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13:54 - 13:57and that is so terrible for our children
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13:57 - 13:59and our children's children,
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13:59 - 14:03because we rely on nature
for clean air, clean water, -
14:03 - 14:06for regulating climate and rainfall.
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14:06 - 14:09Look what we've done,
look at the climate crisis. -
14:09 - 14:11That's us. We did that.
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14:12 - 14:13CA: So a little over 30 years ago,
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14:13 - 14:19you made this shift from scientist mainly
to activist mainly, I guess. -
14:19 - 14:20Why?
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14:21 - 14:27JG: Conference in 1986,
scientific one, I'd got my PhD by then -
14:27 - 14:31and it was to find out
how chimp behavior differed, if it did, -
14:31 - 14:32from one environment to another.
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14:32 - 14:35There were six study sites across Africa.
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14:35 - 14:38So we thought, let’s bring
these scientists together -
14:38 - 14:40and explore this,
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14:40 - 14:41which was fascinating.
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14:41 - 14:44But we also had a session on conservation
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14:44 - 14:48and a session on conditions
in some captive situations -
14:48 - 14:50like medical research.
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14:50 - 14:54And those two sessions
were so shocking to me. -
14:54 - 14:57I went to the conference a a scientist,
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14:57 - 14:58and I left as an activist.
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14:58 - 15:02I didn't make the decision,
something happened inside me. -
15:02 - 15:06CA: So you spent the last 34 years
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15:06 - 15:08sort of tirelessly campaigning
for a better relationship -
15:08 - 15:12between people and nature.
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15:13 - 15:18What should that relationship look like?
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15:19 - 15:24JG: Well, you know, again you come up
with all these problems. -
15:24 - 15:27People have to have space to live.
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15:28 - 15:30But I think the problem is
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15:30 - 15:33that we've become,
in the affluent societies, -
15:33 - 15:35too greedy.
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15:35 - 15:40I mean, honestly, who needs
four houses with huge grounds? -
15:40 - 15:44And why do we need
yet another shopping mall? -
15:44 - 15:45And so on and so on.
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15:45 - 15:50So we are looking
at short-term economic benefit, -
15:50 - 15:54money has become a sort of god to worship,
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15:54 - 15:58as we lose all spiritual connection
with the natural world. -
15:58 - 16:03And so we're looking for short-term
monetary gain, or power, -
16:03 - 16:06rather than the health of the planet
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16:06 - 16:08and the future of our children.
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16:09 - 16:12We don't seem to care about that anymore.
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16:12 - 16:15That's why I'll never stop fighting.
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16:15 - 16:19CA: I mean, in your work
specifically on chimpanzee conservation, -
16:19 - 16:24you've made it practice
to put people at the center of that, -
16:24 - 16:26local people, to engage them.
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16:26 - 16:28How has that worked
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16:28 - 16:30and do you think that's an essential idea
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16:30 - 16:33if we're to succeed
in protecting the planet? -
16:33 - 16:35JG: You know, after that
famous conference, -
16:35 - 16:39I thought, well, I must learn more
about why chimps are vanishing in Africa -
16:39 - 16:41and what's happening to the forest.
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16:41 - 16:46So I got a bit of money together
and went out to visit six range countries. -
16:46 - 16:50And learned a lot about the problems
faced by chimps, you know, -
16:50 - 16:53hunting for bushmeat
and the live animal trade -
16:53 - 16:55and caught in snares
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16:55 - 16:59and human populations growing
and needing more land -
16:59 - 17:03for their crops and their cattle
and their villages. -
17:03 - 17:07But I was also learning about the plight
faced by so many people. -
17:07 - 17:11The absolute poverty,
the lack of health and education, -
17:11 - 17:14the degradation of the land.
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17:14 - 17:19And it came to a head when I flew over
the tiny Gombe National Park. -
17:19 - 17:23It had been part of this equatorial
forest belt right across Africa -
17:23 - 17:24to the west coast,
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17:24 - 17:25and in 1990,
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17:25 - 17:29it was just this little island of forest,
just tiny national park. -
17:29 - 17:31All around, the hills were bare.
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17:31 - 17:33And that's when it hit me.
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17:33 - 17:35If we don't do something
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17:35 - 17:37to help the people find ways of living
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17:37 - 17:40without destroying their environment,
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17:40 - 17:42we can't even try to save the chimps.
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17:42 - 17:46So the Jane Goodall Institute
began this program "Take Care," -
17:46 - 17:48we call it "TACARE."
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17:48 - 17:52And it's our method
of community-based conservation, -
17:52 - 17:54totally holistic.
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17:54 - 17:57And we've now put the tools
of conservation -
17:57 - 17:59into the hand of the villagers,
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17:59 - 18:04because most Tanzanian wild chimps
are not in protected areas, -
18:04 - 18:07they're just in the village
forest reserves. -
18:07 - 18:12And so, they now go and measure
the health of their forest. -
18:12 - 18:15They've understood now
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18:15 - 18:18that protecting the forest
isn't just for wildlife, -
18:18 - 18:20it's their own future.
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18:20 - 18:22That they need the forest.
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18:22 - 18:24And they're very proud.
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18:24 - 18:26The volunteers go to workshops,
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18:26 - 18:28they learn how to use smartphones,
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18:28 - 18:33they learn how to upload
into platform and the cloud. -
18:33 - 18:35And so it's all transparent.
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18:36 - 18:38And the trees have come back,
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18:38 - 18:40there's no bare hills anymore.
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18:40 - 18:44They agreed to make
a buffer zone around Gombe, -
18:44 - 18:48so the chimps have more forest
than they did in 1990. -
18:48 - 18:50They're opening up corridors of forest
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18:50 - 18:55to link the scattered chimp groups
so that you don't get too much inbreeding. -
18:55 - 18:58So yes, it's worked,
and it's in six other countries now. -
18:58 - 19:00Same thing.
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19:00 - 19:05CA: I mean, you've been this extraordinary
tireless voice, all around the world, -
19:05 - 19:07just traveling so much,
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19:07 - 19:11speaking everywhere,
inspiring people everywhere. -
19:11 - 19:16How on earth do you find the energy,
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19:16 - 19:17you know, the fire to do that,
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19:17 - 19:20because that is exhausting to do,
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19:20 - 19:23every meeting with lots of people,
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19:23 - 19:25it is just physically exhausting,
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19:25 - 19:28and yet, here you are, still doing it.
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19:28 - 19:30How are you doing this, Jane?
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19:31 - 19:36JG: Well, I suppose, you know,
I'm obstinate, I don't like giving up, -
19:36 - 19:42but I'm not going to let
these CEOs of big companies -
19:42 - 19:43who are destroying the forests,
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19:43 - 19:50or the politicians who are unraveling
all the protections that were put in place -
19:50 - 19:51by previous presidents,
-
19:51 - 19:54and you know who I'm talking about.
-
19:54 - 19:56And you know, I'll go on fighting,
-
19:56 - 20:00I care about, I'm passionate
about the wildlife. -
20:00 - 20:03I'm passionate about the natural world.
-
20:03 - 20:07I love forests, it hurts me
to see them damaged. -
20:07 - 20:10And I care passionately about children.
-
20:10 - 20:12And we're stealing their future.
-
20:12 - 20:14And I'm not going to give up.
-
20:14 - 20:19So I guess I'm blessed
with good genes, that's a gift, -
20:19 - 20:23and the other gift,
which I discovered I had, -
20:23 - 20:24was communication,
-
20:24 - 20:27whether it's writing or speaking.
-
20:27 - 20:29And so, you know,
-
20:29 - 20:32if going around like this wasn't working,
-
20:32 - 20:35but every time I do a lecture,
-
20:35 - 20:36people come up and say,
-
20:36 - 20:39"Well, I had given up,
but you've inspired me, -
20:39 - 20:41I promise to do my bit."
-
20:41 - 20:46And we have our youth program
"Roots and Shoots" now in 65 countries -
20:46 - 20:48and growing fast,
-
20:48 - 20:49all ages,
-
20:49 - 20:52all choosing projects to help
people, animals, the environment, -
20:52 - 20:55rolling up their sleeves
and taking action. -
20:55 - 20:58And you know, they look at you
with shining eyes, -
20:58 - 21:00wanting to tell Dr. Jane
what they've been doing -
21:00 - 21:02to make the world a better place.
-
21:02 - 21:04How can I let them down?
-
21:04 - 21:07CA: I mean, as you look
at the planet's future, -
21:07 - 21:09what worries you most, actually,
-
21:09 - 21:12what scares you most about where we're at?
-
21:14 - 21:19JG: Well, the fact that we have
a small window of time, I believe, -
21:19 - 21:23when we can at least start
healing some of the harm -
21:23 - 21:26and slowing down climate change.
-
21:26 - 21:28But it is closing,
-
21:28 - 21:33and we've seen what happens
with the lockdown around the world -
21:33 - 21:35because of COVID-19:
-
21:35 - 21:37clear skies over cities,
-
21:37 - 21:41some people breathing clean air
that they've never breathed before -
21:41 - 21:44and looking up
at the shining skies at night, -
21:44 - 21:47which they've never seen properly before.
-
21:47 - 21:49And you know,
-
21:49 - 21:52so what worries me most
-
21:52 - 21:55is how to get enough people,
-
21:56 - 21:58people understand,
but they're not taking action, -
21:58 - 22:00how to get enough people to take action?
-
22:00 - 22:06CA: National Geographic just launched
this extraordinary film about you, -
22:06 - 22:10highlighting your work over six decades.
-
22:10 - 22:13It's titled "Jane Goodall: The Hope."
-
22:14 - 22:16So what is the hope, Jane?
-
22:16 - 22:17JG: Well, the hope,
-
22:17 - 22:19my greatest hope
is all these young people. -
22:19 - 22:22I mean, in China,
people will come up and say, -
22:22 - 22:24"Well, of course I care
about the environment, -
22:24 - 22:26I was in 'Roots and Shoots'
in primary school." -
22:26 - 22:30And you know, we have "Roots and Shoots"
just hanging on to the values -
22:30 - 22:35and they're so enthusiastic
once they know the problems -
22:35 - 22:36and they're empowered to take action,
-
22:36 - 22:41they are clearing the streams,
removing invasive species humanely. -
22:42 - 22:44And they have so many ideas.
-
22:44 - 22:48And then there's, you know,
this extraordinary intellect of ours. -
22:48 - 22:52We're beginning to use it
to come up with technology -
22:52 - 22:55that really will help us
to live in greater harmony, -
22:55 - 22:57and in our individual lives,
-
22:57 - 23:01let's think about the consequences
of what we do each day. -
23:01 - 23:03What do we buy, where did it come from,
-
23:03 - 23:05how was it made?
-
23:05 - 23:08Did it harm the environment,
was it cruel to animals? -
23:08 - 23:10Is it cheap because of child slave labor?
-
23:10 - 23:12Make ethical choices.
-
23:12 - 23:16Which you can't do if you're living
in poverty, by the way. -
23:16 - 23:18And then finally, this indomitable spirit
-
23:18 - 23:21of people who tackle what seems impossible
-
23:21 - 23:23and won't give up.
-
23:23 - 23:26You can't give up when you have those ...
-
23:26 - 23:29But you know, there are things
that I can't fight. -
23:29 - 23:32I can't fight corruption.
-
23:33 - 23:37I can't fight military
regimes and dictators. -
23:39 - 23:40So I can only do what I can do,
-
23:40 - 23:44and if we all do the bits that we can do,
-
23:44 - 23:48surely that makes a whole
that eventually will win out. -
23:48 - 23:49CA: So, last question, Jane.
-
23:49 - 23:52If there was one idea, one thought,
-
23:52 - 23:56one seed you could plant
in the minds of everyone watching this, -
23:56 - 23:58what would that be?
-
23:58 - 24:02JG: You know, just remember
that every day you live, -
24:02 - 24:05you make an impact on the planet.
-
24:05 - 24:07You can't help making an impact.
-
24:07 - 24:11And at least, unless
you're living in extreme poverty, -
24:11 - 24:14you have a choice as to what sort
of impact you make. -
24:14 - 24:16Even in poverty you have a choice,
-
24:16 - 24:20but when we are more affluent,
we have a greater choice. -
24:20 - 24:23And if we all make ethical choices,
-
24:23 - 24:26then we start moving towards a world
-
24:26 - 24:31that will be not quite so desperate
to leave to our great-grandchildren. -
24:31 - 24:36That's, I think, something for everybody.
-
24:36 - 24:39Because a lot of people
understand what's happening, -
24:39 - 24:41but they feel helpless and hopeless,
and what can they do, -
24:42 - 24:44so they do nothing
and they become apathetic. -
24:44 - 24:47And that is a huge danger, apathy.
-
24:48 - 24:50CA: Dr. Jane Goodall, wow.
-
24:50 - 24:54I really want to thank you
for your extraordinary life, -
24:54 - 24:56for all that you've done
-
24:56 - 24:58and for spending this time with us now.
-
24:58 - 24:59Thank you.
-
24:59 - 25:01JG: Thank you.
- Title:
- Every day you live, you impact the planet
- Speaker:
- Jane Goodall, Chris Anderson
- Description:
-
Legendary primatologist Jane Goodall says that humanity's survival depends on conservation of the natural world. In conversation with head of TED Chris Anderson, she tells the story of her formative days working with chimpanzees, how she transformed from a revered naturalist into a dedicated activist and how she's empowering communities around the world to save natural habitats.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
- closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 25:14
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