Sam And Emma Clash Over Liberals vs The Unvaccinated

i was reading this uh politico piece

today you know i go through stuff and

sometimes i just get hung up and i and i

start reading something that

you know i'm not gonna but oh boy there

was a politico story

no this is about like uh the ozarks

like the partying that's going down in

the ozarks oh yeah and the

anti-vaccination

and anti-coveting anti-mask stuff

like there's just all these pieces out

there right now

um bemoaning how like

people are being too condescending to

uh people who haven't gotten vaccinated

yet now look

there is definitely a significant cohort

of people

who despite the efforts we have seen

don't have easy access to the

vaccination

maybe they're a little bit skeptical

which you know

i don't like getting stuck with a needle

uh they're a little bit skeptical

and it hasn't been made quite easy

enough for them and yes i get like you

should understand like maybe you need to

make a little bit of effort in this

some people like they can't you know um

almost everybody here had to take the

day off after they got vaccinated

because it started to make you know you

you get some side effects that make you

feel a little sick for a day

um and a lot of people don't have that

opportunity so i want to be clear here

i'm not putting everybody in one basket

okay and i don't know what the numbers

are

it's hard to sort of like tease these

out from the polling

but let's just say half the

you know half the country is not uh

vaccinated

and half of those people are just

complete

jackasses about it the other half there

may be other but

half of them are just complete jackasses

about it

here and it goes beyond just not getting

vaccinated

and it goes beyond just not deciding

that they're going to wear masks

it is an attitude of like how dare

you get vaccinated and wear a mask

like that's the thing is like that is

underappreciated here

this is story in politico one woman

they're talking about like this is it uh

down in you know in

the ozarks one woman brittany hanlon

who wears a mask while battling cancer

said she was heckled

for doing so while walking through a

walmart take off your mask two women

shouted out as

she tried shopping the woman told her

that mask was making them uncomfortable

handling recalled

which i don't understand it's not like i

was doing anything mean or inappropriate

i just had a plain black mask on

this is how defensive this woman with

cancer has to feel

employee at the haha tonka state park

visitor center in the lake of ozarks

hanlon says she wears a mask while

interacting with roughly six to seven

hundred people a week there she's

typically greeted with sneers and

requests that she remove it

where are all the think pieces by the

smart people

talking about the woman who works at the

state park

with cancer having to deal with like

visitors to the park

sneering at her right well i mean i

i agree i agree with you i think some of

the think pieces are directed

at like articles in the daily beast

about how this

person was an anti-vaxxer and died and

like

look at what they said on their deathbed

i should have been vaccinated

i think that's a good piece to put out

there i mean i think that like

communicates to people who think that

this is not a big deal

that you should think it's a big deal

frankly i don't think the people who

don't have access

to the vaccine are reading the daily

beast

i know that's the whole point it's being

it's for

people to feel superior yeah i mean i

think those but those daily beasts

and the and the anti like liberals are

so smug people are entirely symbiotic in

all this stuff in my opinion

yeah i i think like look it is fine

for people to feel superior who cares

like who cares the bottom line is like

what has the opportunity

frankly because i saw that stream story

i saw that same story by the

the doctor who posted on facebook

in the alabama not in the daily beast in

the alabama

you know uh um uh uh

online version of the thing and people

should read

that this person before they died the

last thing they said was like i wish i

could get the vaccine

because maybe maybe it'll encourage

i don't know one or two other people to

get the vaccine the idea that like this

is

somehow like people are being you know

like the

the the story to come out of this is

that people are being

too self-satisfied with themselves that

may be the case

but the other people are

either a being like um like willfully

ignorant

and are being just as dickish

it's just that they don't write in the

daily beast about it if that's the story

right but if that's the story to come

out of this you're absolutely right

i just think it's fine as an ancillary

point to say that a lot of this is

self-serving

and it's also what i don't like about it

is it makes it part of a partisan

infighting or

or false binary when there are

significant issues with other cohorts

cohorts who aren't mega die hards

like black americans who are

unvaccinated at the high rate as well

where there's an entirely different

there's an entirely different

conversation to be had where that's a

lot about skepticism of our institutions

etc

but here's the thing what we should be

doing as a government is probably

mandating it but everybody's terrified

of doing that

because of the cohort that

that is that that you're saying is is is

being addressed too much

it's i mean let's let's be clear like we

can't do this

we can't mandate this vaccine because

a there's a fear of like wait what

happens if donald trump becomes

president again let's just say a donald

trump becomes threat and decides to

start mandating all sorts of different

things

uh that are you know that are dubious

like what you know like

like the creation the wii the problem

here

the reason why it's that much harder to

reach those people who don't have access

to the vaccine

is because it has been so dramatically

politicized

on the right that it

creates a political cost if you lean too

forward into it i mean

look at what happened to the person

who's in charge of convincing kids

to get their diphtheria vaccine in

tennessee

like you know like like this is the

dynamic that we're working here

and the idea that like matt's absolutely

right the daily beast thing

and the sub stack writer is talking

about how gross it is that liberals

think that they're better than everybody

and you

as that's just that's just a mat that's

completely a circle jerk

the real issue in terms of getting

people vaccinated in this country

the reason why we don't see the proper

mandates for vaccinations

the reason why we don't see the

aggressiveness is because

you can see it right in tennessee they

fired the woman

and wouldn't allow they suspended

reaching out to people

to get vaccinated for things like

uh you know tb or whatever it is

yeah and those people like i i'm very

much against you know blaming the

propagandas

and you look at the type of information

those people have been getting and it's

we're

we also hear about all this jimmy dore

was on rogan yesterday talking about

ivermectin

and hydroxy hydroxychloroquine hydroxy

being suppressed

and it's like you go back to actual um

uh congressional hearings and actually

it's

the hydroxy freaks outnumber the normal

people by three to one right like th

this narrative of the suppression is

what's really

it's just trying to feed that right like

let's emphasize

like this sort of liberal uh hegemony

narrative even though

we have a breakthrough like a

virus that's going out of control

because we can't get people on the same

page because they've been fed

bs about a hydroxychloroquine for the

past year

i agree with what both of you are saying

i just think there is a

one-size-fits-all

issue with some of the rhetoric

surrounding

vaccine hesitancy at this point

like i don't know that like i i i agree

emma with what you're saying about like

the grossness of it but i also don't

know that

we're seeing um the numbers go down a

little bit and vaccinations go up

and i don't know if it's not happening

in effect right

exactly i mean that one size fit all it

shamed

you know uh steve scalise into either

either admitting that he you know like

pretending like he hadn't been

vaccinated or getting vaccinated on

sunday

there's a reason why the right did that

well it's the delta variant i don't know

if it's

you can draw a connection to shaming but

but the delta variant

i mean how are they getting communicated

about what the implications of the delta

variant is

it's because you're starting to see

stories of like i wish i got vaccinated

in these places where the delta variant

is actually killing people no it's

because

people thought that once the vaccines

were rolled out and they gave it to

people who were more vulnerable that

they could just ride this out and they

were hesitant about getting the vaccine

people who are most vulnerable could get

it and they'll go away and now they're

realizing that it's not going away but

but emma you don't think you think steve

scalise didn't have access to the

to the information that would have led

him i think he made this decision as

you've said

based on a political calculation exactly

and when steve scalise

and all of the the right over the past

two weeks

changed their political calculation what

did you see

you saw vaccinations go up and it may be

a coincidence

that you had people coming out there

saying like it's not so bad to get

vaccinated

or maybe they're talking to some of

their people and some of them are

listening

all right i think there's also too much

focus on like

oh this like this thing happened and

it's gonna make the right do like the

masks

stuff with the cdc like sagar is he

loves to emphasize these sorts of

stories because it goes into a larger

narrative they like to pedal not because

they actually care about the

individual policy yeah well i mean

cultural critique and

and the circle jerk nature of some

writers on the left it's

it's a it's more self-serving than it is

actually trying to

change the country in any way yeah it's

just one more

front in which is like a sort of uh i

don't know i'm better than the

truth i'm better than this liberal or

these liberals and you know we're going

to critique liberal culture

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