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Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.75,0:00:03.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chris Anderson: Dr. Jane Goodall, welcome.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.88,0:00:06.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jane Goodall: Thank you,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.17,0:00:10.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think, you know,\Nwe couldn't have a complete interview
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.12,0:00:12.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unless people know Mr. H is with me,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.29,0:00:14.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because everybody knows Mr. H.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.08,0:00:17.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: Hello, Mr. H.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.67,0:00:20.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In your TED Talk 17 years ago,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.96,0:00:26.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you warned us about the dangers\Nof humans crowding out the natural world.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.71,0:00:28.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there any sense in which you feel
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.58,0:00:32.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the current pandemic\Nis kind of, nature striking back?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.50,0:00:37.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: It's very, very clear\Nthat these zoonotic diseases,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.58,0:00:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the corona and HIV/AIDS
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.54,0:00:46.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all sorts of other diseases\Nthat we catch from animals,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.92,0:00:50.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's partly to do\Nwith destruction of the environment,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.08,0:00:54.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which, as animals lose habitat,\Nthey get crowded together
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.08,0:00:58.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes that means\Nthat a virus from a reservoir species,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.38,0:01:01.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it's lived harmoniously\Nfor maybe hundreds of years,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.46,0:01:03.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,jumps into a new species,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.50,0:01:08.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you also get animals being pushed\Ninto closer contact with humans.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.67,0:01:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And sometimes one of these animals\Nthat has caught a virus can --
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.67,0:01:18.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, provides the opportunity\Nfor that virus to jump into people
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.92,0:01:22.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and create a new disease, like COVID-19.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.00,0:01:25.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in addition to that,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.04,0:01:27.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are so disrespecting animals.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.88,0:01:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We hunt them,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.54,0:01:31.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we kill them, we eat them,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.88,0:01:33.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we traffic them,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.42,0:01:39.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we send them off\Nto the wild-animal markets
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.83,0:01:41.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Asia,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.12,0:01:44.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where they're in terrible,\Ncramped conditions, in tiny cages,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.46,0:01:48.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with people being contaminated\Nwith blood and urine and feces,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.79,0:01:53.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ideal conditions for a virus\Nto spill from an animal to an animal,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.46,0:01:55.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or an animal to a person.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.21,0:01:59.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: I'd love to just dip\Nbackwards in time for a bit,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.50,0:02:01.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because your story is so extraordinary.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.42,0:02:05.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, despite the arguably\Neven more sexist attitudes of the 1960s,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.54,0:02:08.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somehow you were able to break through
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.29,0:02:11.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and become one of the world's\Nleading scientists,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.67,0:02:15.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discovering this astonishing\Nseries of facts about chimpanzees,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.21,0:02:18.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as their tool use and so much more.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.29,0:02:20.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What was it about you, do you think,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.92,0:02:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that allowed you to make\Nsuch a breakthrough?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.00,0:02:27.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Well, the thing is,\NI was born loving animals,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.25,0:02:30.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the most important thing was,\NI had a very supportive mother.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.42,0:02:33.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She didn't get mad when she found\Nearthworms in my bed,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.08,0:02:35.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she just said they better be\Nin the garden.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.58,0:02:38.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she didn't get mad\Nwhen I disappeared for four hours
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.33,0:02:41.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she called the police,\Nand I was sitting in a hen house,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.29,0:02:44.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because nobody would tell me\Nwhere the hole was where the egg came out.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.79,0:02:47.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had no dream of being a scientist,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.08,0:02:49.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because women didn't do\Nthat sort of thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.50,0:02:52.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, there weren't any man\Ndoing it back then, either.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.75,0:02:54.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And everybody laughed at me except Mom,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.71,0:02:58.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who said, "If you really want this,\Nyou're going to have to work awfully hard,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.42,0:03:00.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take advantage of every opportunity,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.17,0:03:02.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you don't give up,\Nmaybe you'll find a way."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.42,0:03:06.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: And somehow, you were able to kind of,\Nearn the trust of chimpanzees
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.54,0:03:10.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the way that no one else had.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.17,0:03:15.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Looking back, what were the most\Nexciting moments that you discovered
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.83,0:03:19.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or what is it that people\Nstill don't get about chimpanzees?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.33,0:03:24.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Well, the thing is,\Nyou say, "See things nobody else had,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.33,0:03:25.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get their trust."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.62,0:03:27.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody else had tried.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.25,0:03:29.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Quite honestly.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.04,0:03:34.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, basically, I used the same techniques
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.04,0:03:38.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I had to study the animals\Naround my home when I was a child.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.62,0:03:40.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just sitting, patiently,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.21,0:03:42.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not trying to get too close too quickly,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.67,0:03:47.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it was awful, because the money\Nwas only for six months.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.25,0:03:49.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, you can imagine\Nhow difficult to get money
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.62,0:03:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a young girl with no degree,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.67,0:03:55.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to go and do something as bizarre\Nas sitting in a forest.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.46,0:03:56.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, finally,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.96,0:04:00.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we got money for six months\Nfrom an American philanthropist,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.00,0:04:04.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I knew with time\NI'd get the chimps' trust,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.96,0:04:06.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but did I have time?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.50,0:04:11.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And weeks became months\Nand then finally, after about four months,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.04,0:04:13.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one chimpanzee began to lose his fear,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.83,0:04:16.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was he that\Non one occasion I saw --
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.96,0:04:20.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I still wasn't really close,\Nbut I had my binoculars --
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.17,0:04:25.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I saw him using and making tools\Nto fish for termites.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.33,0:04:28.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And although I wasn't terribly surprised,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.17,0:04:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I've read about things\Ncaptive chimps could do --
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.17,0:04:34.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I knew that science believed
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.21,0:04:37.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that humans, and only humans,\Nused and made tools.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.58,0:04:40.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I knew how excited \N[Dr. Louis] Leakey would be.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.83,0:04:42.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was that observation
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.58,0:04:45.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that enabled him to go\Nto the National Geographic,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.67,0:04:49.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they said, "OK, we'll continue\Nto support the research,"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.75,0:04:53.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they sent Hugo van Lawick,\Nthe photographer-filmmaker,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.92,0:04:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to record what I was seeing.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.58,0:05:01.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So a lot of scientists\Ndidn't want to believe the tool-using.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.04,0:05:04.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, one of them said\NI must have taught the chimps.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.12,0:05:06.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.04,0:05:08.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Since I couldn't get near them,\Nit would have been a miracle.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.96,0:05:11.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But anyway, once they saw Hugo's film
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.58,0:05:16.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that with all my descriptions\Nof their behavior,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.04,0:05:19.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the scientists had to start\Nchanging their minds.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.38,0:05:22.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: And since then,\Nnumerous other discoveries
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.04,0:05:26.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that placed chimpanzees much closer\Nto humans than people cared to believe.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.62,0:05:29.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I saw you say at one point\Nthat they have a sense of humor.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.00,0:05:32.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How have you seen that expressed?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.71,0:05:36.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Well, you see it\Nwhen they're playing games,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.96,0:05:39.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there's a bigger one\Nplaying with a little one,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.42,0:05:41.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he's trailing a vine around a tree.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.83,0:05:44.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And every time the little one\Nis about to catch it,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.71,0:05:46.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the bigger one pulls it away,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.71,0:05:48.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the little one starts crying
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.50,0:05:50.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the big one starts laughing.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.29,0:05:51.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.42,0:05:59.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: And then, Jane, you observed\Nsomething much more troubling,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.83,0:06:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was these instances\Nof chimpanzee gangs,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.58,0:06:10.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tribes, groups, being brutally\Nviolent to each other.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.71,0:06:14.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm curious how you process that.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.38,0:06:17.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And whether it made you, kind of,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.62,0:06:20.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know, depressed about us,\Nwe're close to them,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.17,0:06:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did it make you feel\Nthat violence is irredeemably
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.00,0:06:27.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,part of all the great apes, somehow?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.38,0:06:30.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Well, it obviously is.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.00,0:06:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And my first encounter\Nwith human, what I call evil,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.67,0:06:37.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was the end of the war
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.33,0:06:40.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the pictures from the Holocaust.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.12,0:06:42.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, that really shocked me.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.75,0:06:44.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That changed who I was.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.04,0:06:46.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was 10, I think, at the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.38,0:06:48.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when the chimpanzees,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.88,0:06:52.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I realized they have this\Ndark, brutal side,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.04,0:06:54.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought they were like us but nicer.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.58,0:06:57.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I realized\Nthey're even more like us
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.17,0:06:58.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than I had thought.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.71,0:07:02.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And at that time, in the early '70s,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.71,0:07:03.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was very strange,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.00,0:07:05.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aggression, there was a big thing
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.62,0:07:09.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about, is aggression innate or learned.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.75,0:07:12.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it became political.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.46,0:07:15.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was, I don't know,\Nit was a very strange time,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.92,0:07:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was coming out, saying,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.58,0:07:20.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No, I think aggression is definitely
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.17,0:07:24.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,part of our inherited\Nrepertoire of behaviors."
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.29,0:07:29.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I asked a very respected scientist\Nwhat he really thought,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.96,0:07:32.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he was coming out\Non the clean slate,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.38,0:07:33.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aggression is learned,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.88,0:07:38.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he said, "Jane, I'd rather not talk\Nabout what I really think."
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.04,0:07:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was a big shock\Nas far as science was concerned for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.79,0:07:47.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: I was brought up to believe a world\Nof all things bright and beautiful.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.38,0:07:52.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, numerous beautiful films\Nof butterflies and bees and flowers,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.92,0:07:55.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you know, nature\Nas this gorgeous landscape.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.88,0:08:01.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And many environmentalists\Noften seem to take the stance,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.92,0:08:06.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Yes, nature is pure,\Nnature is beautiful, humans are bad,"
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.08,0:08:08.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then you have the kind of\Nobservations that you see,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.75,0:08:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you actually look\Nat any part of nature in more detail,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.62,0:08:13.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you see things to be\Nterrified by, honestly.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.00,0:08:16.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you make of nature,\Nhow do you think of it,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.42,0:08:18.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how should we think of it?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.88,0:08:20.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Nature is, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.88,0:08:24.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, you think of the whole\Nspectrum of evolution,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.83,0:08:28.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there's something about going\Nto a pristine place,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.54,0:08:33.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Africa was very pristine\Nwhen I was young.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.17,0:08:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there were animals everywhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.12,0:08:40.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I never liked the fact\Nthat lions killed,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.04,0:08:42.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have to, I mean, that's what they do,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.58,0:08:46.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they didn't kill animals,\Nthey would die.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.42,0:08:50.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the big difference\Nbetween them and us, I think,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.12,0:08:56.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that they do what they do\Nbecause that's what they have to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.04,0:08:59.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we can plan to do things.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.42,0:09:01.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our plans are very different.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.21,0:09:05.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can plan to cut down a whole forest,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.25,0:09:07.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we want to sell the timber,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.75,0:09:10.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or because we want to build\Nanother shopping mall,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.12,0:09:11.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.42,0:09:16.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So our destruction of nature\Nand our warfare,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.17,0:09:19.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're capable of evil\Nbecause we can sit comfortably
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.00,0:09:22.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and plan the torture of somebody far away.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.96,0:09:24.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's evil.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.25,0:09:27.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chimpanzees have a sort of primitive war,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.92,0:09:29.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they can be very aggressive,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.50,0:09:30.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's of the moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.92,0:09:32.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's how they feel.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.42,0:09:34.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's response to an emotion.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.83,0:09:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: So your observation\Nof the sophistication of chimpanzees
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.50,0:09:41.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't go as far as what\Nsome people would want to say
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.92,0:09:43.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the sort of the human superpower,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.67,0:09:49.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of being able to really simulate\Nthe future in our minds in great detail
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.62,0:09:52.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and make long-term plans.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.42,0:09:57.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And act to encourage each other\Nto achieve those long-term plans.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.79,0:10:01.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That that feels, even to someone\Nwho spent so much time with chimpanzees,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.25,0:10:04.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that feels like a fundamentally\Ndifferent skill set
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.46,0:10:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we just have to take\Nresponsibility for
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.62,0:10:09.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and use much more wisely than we do.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.46,0:10:11.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Yes, and I personally think,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.38,0:10:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, there's a lot\Nof discussion about this,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.71,0:10:17.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think it's a fact that we developed\Nthe way of communication
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.62,0:10:19.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you and I are using.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.42,0:10:21.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And because we have words,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.54,0:10:24.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, animal communication\Nis way more sophisticated
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.96,0:10:26.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than we used to think.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.25,0:10:28.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.25,0:10:31.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can learn human sign language of the Deaf.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.79,0:10:38.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we sort of grow up speaking\Nwhatever language it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.25,0:10:41.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I can tell you about things\Nthat you've never heard of.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.92,0:10:44.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a chimpanzee couldn't do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.50,0:10:49.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we can teach our children\Nabout abstract things.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.75,0:10:51.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And chimpanzees couldn't do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.58,0:10:55.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So yes, chimpanzees can do\Nall sorts of clever things,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.29,0:10:59.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so can elephants and so can crows\Nand so can octopuses,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.92,0:11:03.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we design rockets\Nthat go off to another planet
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.54,0:11:06.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and little robots taking photographs,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.12,0:11:10.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we've designed this extraordinary way\Nof you and me talking
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.92,0:11:13.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our different parts of the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.08,0:11:14.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was young, when I grew up,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.75,0:11:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was no TV,\Nthere were no cell phones,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.58,0:11:19.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was no computers.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.46,0:11:20.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was such a different world,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.92,0:11:24.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had a pencil, pen\Nand notebook, that was it.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.54,0:11:27.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: So just going back\Nto this question about nature,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.42,0:11:28.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I think about this a lot,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.01,0:11:32.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I struggle with this, honestly.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.21,0:11:37.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So much of your work,\Nso much of so many people who I respect,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.42,0:11:44.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is about this passion for trying\Nnot to screw up the natural world.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.25,0:11:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So is it possible, is it healthy,\Nis it essential, perhaps,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.12,0:11:51.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to simultaneously accept\Nthat many aspects of nature
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.00,0:11:53.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are terrifying,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.96,0:11:56.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also, I don't know, that it's awesome,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.88,0:12:02.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that some of the awesomeness\Ncomes from its potential to be terrifying
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.04,0:12:06.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that it is also just\Nbreathtakingly beautiful,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.96,0:12:10.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that we cannot be ourselves,\Nbecause we are part of nature,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.71,0:12:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we cannot be whole
Dialogue: 0,0:12:13.17,0:12:17.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unless we somehow embrace it\Nand are part of it?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.46,0:12:22.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Help me with the language, Jane,\Non how that relationship should be.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.25,0:12:26.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Well, I think one of the problems is,\Nyou know, as we developed our intellect,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.38,0:12:29.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we became better and better
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.04,0:12:32.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at modifying the environment\Nfor our own use,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.46,0:12:35.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and creating fields and growing crops
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.29,0:12:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it used to be forest or woodland,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.50,0:12:41.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you know, we won't go into that now,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.33,0:12:44.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we have this ability to change nature.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.92,0:12:49.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as we've moved more\Ninto towns and cities,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.38,0:12:53.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and relied more on technology,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.38,0:12:56.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many people feel so divorced\Nfrom the natural world.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.00,0:12:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's hundreds,\Nthousands of children
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.58,0:13:01.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,growing up in inner cities,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.33,0:13:04.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where there basically isn't any nature,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.08,0:13:09.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is why this movement now\Nto green our cities is so important.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.17,0:13:11.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, they've done experiments,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.54,0:13:14.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it was in Chicago,\NI'm not quite sure,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.83,0:13:17.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there were various empty lots
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.92,0:13:21.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a very violent part of town.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.71,0:13:24.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in some of those areas\Nthey made it green,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.79,0:13:29.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they put trees and flowers and things,\Nshrubs in these vacant lots.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.83,0:13:33.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the crime rate went right down.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.21,0:13:35.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So then of course,\Nthey put trees in the other half.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.92,0:13:38.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it just shows, and also,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.88,0:13:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there have been studies done\Nshowing that children
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.67,0:13:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really need green nature\Nfor good psychological development.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.88,0:13:50.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we are, as you say, part of nature
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.12,0:13:54.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we disrespect it, as we are,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.38,0:13:57.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that is so terrible for our children
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.33,0:13:58.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our children's children,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.83,0:14:02.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we rely on nature\Nfor clean air, clean water,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.88,0:14:06.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for regulating climate and rainfall.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:06.46,0:14:09.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look what we've done,\Nlook at the climate crisis.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.25,0:14:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's us. We did that.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.50,0:14:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: So a little over 30 years ago,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.21,0:14:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you made this shift from scientist mainly\Nto activist mainly, I guess.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.04,0:14:20.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.33,0:14:26.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Conference in 1986,\Nscientific one, I'd got my PhD by then
Dialogue: 0,0:14:26.83,0:14:30.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was to find out\Nhow chimp behavior differed, if it did,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.58,0:14:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from one environment to another.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.17,0:14:34.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were six study sites across Africa.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.58,0:14:38.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we thought, let’s bring\Nthese scientists together
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.29,0:14:39.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and explore this,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.71,0:14:41.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was fascinating.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.25,0:14:43.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we also had a session on conservation
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.92,0:14:47.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a session on conditions\Nin some captive situations
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.79,0:14:49.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like medical research.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.92,0:14:54.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And those two sessions\Nwere so shocking to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.21,0:14:56.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went to the conference a a scientist,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.79,0:14:58.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I left as an activist.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.38,0:15:02.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't make the decision,\Nsomething happened inside me.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:02.21,0:15:05.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: So you spent the last 34 years
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.75,0:15:08.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of tirelessly campaigning\Nfor a better relationship
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.46,0:15:11.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between people and nature.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.67,0:15:17.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What should that relationship look like?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.00,0:15:23.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Well, you know, again you come up\Nwith all these problems.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.83,0:15:26.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People have to have space to live.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.62,0:15:29.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think the problem is
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.75,0:15:33.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we've become,\Nin the affluent societies,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.33,0:15:34.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,too greedy.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.75,0:15:40.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, honestly, who needs\Nfour houses with huge grounds?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.04,0:15:43.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And why do we need\Nyet another shopping mall?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.71,0:15:45.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so on and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.46,0:15:50.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we are looking\Nat short-term economic benefit,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.46,0:15:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,money has become a sort of god to worship,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.54,0:15:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as we lose all spiritual connection\Nwith the natural world.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.62,0:16:03.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we're looking for short-term\Nmonetary gain, or power,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.38,0:16:06.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than the health of the planet
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.04,0:16:08.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the future of our children.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.00,0:16:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't seem to care about that anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.12,0:16:15.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's why I'll never stop fighting.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.25,0:16:19.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: I mean, in your work\Nspecifically on chimpanzee conservation,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:19.08,0:16:24.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've made it practice\Nto put people at the center of that,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.29,0:16:26.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,local people, to engage them.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.42,0:16:27.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How has that worked
Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.71,0:16:29.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and do you think that's an essential idea
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.88,0:16:32.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we're to succeed\Nin protecting the planet?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.96,0:16:35.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: You know, after that\Nfamous conference,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.46,0:16:39.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought, well, I must learn more\Nabout why chimps are vanishing in Africa
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.04,0:16:40.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what's happening to the forest.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.92,0:16:45.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I got a bit of money together\Nand went out to visit six range countries.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.00,0:16:50.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And learned a lot about the problems\Nfaced by chimps, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.04,0:16:52.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hunting for bushmeat\Nand the live animal trade
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.83,0:16:54.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and caught in snares
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.54,0:16:58.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and human populations growing\Nand needing more land
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.96,0:17:02.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for their crops and their cattle\Nand their villages.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.71,0:17:07.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I was also learning about the plight\Nfaced by so many people.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.46,0:17:11.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The absolute poverty,\Nthe lack of health and education,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.04,0:17:13.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the degradation of the land.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.54,0:17:18.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it came to a head when I flew over\Nthe tiny Gombe National Park.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:18.54,0:17:22.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It had been part of this equatorial\Nforest belt right across Africa
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.83,0:17:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the west coast,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.12,0:17:25.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in 1990,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.46,0:17:29.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was just this little island of forest,\Njust tiny national park.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.12,0:17:31.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All around, the hills were bare.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.04,0:17:32.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's when it hit me.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:32.79,0:17:34.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we don't do something
Dialogue: 0,0:17:34.62,0:17:36.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to help the people find ways of living
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.92,0:17:39.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without destroying their environment,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.54,0:17:42.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can't even try to save the chimps.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.25,0:17:45.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the Jane Goodall Institute\Nbegan this program "Take Care,"
Dialogue: 0,0:17:46.00,0:17:48.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we call it "TACARE."
Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.04,0:17:51.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's our method\Nof community-based conservation,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:52.00,0:17:54.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,totally holistic.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:54.12,0:17:57.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we've now put the tools\Nof conservation
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.38,0:17:59.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the hand of the villagers,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:59.25,0:18:04.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because most Tanzanian wild chimps\Nare not in protected areas,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.38,0:18:07.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're just in the village\Nforest reserves.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.17,0:18:12.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, they now go and measure\Nthe health of their forest.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:12.46,0:18:14.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They've understood now
Dialogue: 0,0:18:14.71,0:18:18.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that protecting the forest\Nisn't just for wildlife,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.29,0:18:19.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's their own future.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:19.79,0:18:22.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That they need the forest.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.25,0:18:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they're very proud.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.62,0:18:25.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The volunteers go to workshops,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.75,0:18:27.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they learn how to use smartphones,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:27.83,0:18:32.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they learn how to upload\Ninto platform and the cloud.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.62,0:18:35.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so it's all transparent.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.50,0:18:37.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the trees have come back,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.67,0:18:39.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's no bare hills anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.75,0:18:44.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They agreed to make\Na buffer zone around Gombe,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.50,0:18:47.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the chimps have more forest\Nthan they did in 1990.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.92,0:18:49.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're opening up corridors of forest
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.88,0:18:55.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to link the scattered chimp groups\Nso that you don't get too much inbreeding.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.29,0:18:58.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So yes, it's worked,\Nand it's in six other countries now.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.46,0:18:59.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Same thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.75,0:19:05.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: I mean, you've been this extraordinary\Ntireless voice, all around the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:05.38,0:19:07.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just traveling so much,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.33,0:19:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,speaking everywhere,\Ninspiring people everywhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.62,0:19:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How on earth do you find the energy,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.62,0:19:17.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, the fire to do that,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.29,0:19:20.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that is exhausting to do,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:20.50,0:19:23.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every meeting with lots of people,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.04,0:19:25.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is just physically exhausting,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.12,0:19:28.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and yet, here you are, still doing it.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.17,0:19:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How are you doing this, Jane?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:31.04,0:19:36.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Well, I suppose, you know,\NI'm obstinate, I don't like giving up,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:36.42,0:19:41.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm not going to let\Nthese CEOs of big companies
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.71,0:19:43.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are destroying the forests,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:43.25,0:19:49.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the politicians who are unraveling\Nall the protections that were put in place
Dialogue: 0,0:19:49.83,0:19:51.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by previous presidents,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:51.17,0:19:53.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you know who I'm talking about.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:54.00,0:19:56.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, I'll go on fighting,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.17,0:20:00.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I care about, I'm passionate\Nabout the wildlife.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:00.29,0:20:02.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm passionate about the natural world.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.00,0:20:07.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love forests, it hurts me\Nto see them damaged.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.46,0:20:10.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I care passionately about children.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:10.38,0:20:12.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we're stealing their future.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.46,0:20:14.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm not going to give up.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.21,0:20:19.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I guess I'm blessed\Nwith good genes, that's a gift,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.17,0:20:22.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the other gift,\Nwhich I discovered I had,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:22.79,0:20:24.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was communication,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.25,0:20:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it's writing or speaking.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.92,0:20:28.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:29.00,0:20:31.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if going around like this wasn't working,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:31.92,0:20:35.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but every time I do a lecture,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:35.04,0:20:36.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people come up and say,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.42,0:20:38.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, I had given up,\Nbut you've inspired me,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.79,0:20:41.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I promise to do my bit."
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.08,0:20:45.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we have our youth program\N"Roots and Shoots" now in 65 countries
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.00,0:20:47.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and growing fast,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:47.58,0:20:48.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all ages,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.88,0:20:52.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all choosing projects to help\Npeople, animals, the environment,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.04,0:20:54.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rolling up their sleeves\Nand taking action.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.67,0:20:57.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, they look at you\Nwith shining eyes,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.83,0:21:00.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wanting to tell Dr. Jane\Nwhat they've been doing
Dialogue: 0,0:21:00.33,0:21:02.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make the world a better place.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.12,0:21:03.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How can I let them down?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:03.96,0:21:07.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: I mean, as you look\Nat the planet's future,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.25,0:21:08.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what worries you most, actually,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:08.92,0:21:12.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what scares you most about where we're at?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.75,0:21:19.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Well, the fact that we have\Na small window of time, I believe,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:19.12,0:21:22.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we can at least start\Nhealing some of the harm
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.67,0:21:25.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and slowing down climate change.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.75,0:21:27.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it is closing,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.75,0:21:32.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we've seen what happens\Nwith the lockdown around the world
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.96,0:21:35.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of COVID-19:
Dialogue: 0,0:21:35.04,0:21:37.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clear skies over cities,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:37.25,0:21:41.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some people breathing clean air\Nthat they've never breathed before
Dialogue: 0,0:21:41.12,0:21:44.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and looking up\Nat the shining skies at night,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.08,0:21:46.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which they've never seen properly before.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:46.71,0:21:49.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.08,0:21:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so what worries me most
Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.17,0:21:55.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is how to get enough people,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.50,0:21:57.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people understand,\Nbut they're not taking action,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:57.81,0:22:00.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how to get enough people to take action?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.46,0:22:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: National Geographic just launched\Nthis extraordinary film about you,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:06.21,0:22:09.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,highlighting your work over six decades.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:09.79,0:22:13.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's titled "Jane Goodall: The Hope."
Dialogue: 0,0:22:14.04,0:22:16.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what is the hope, Jane?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:16.04,0:22:17.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Well, the hope,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.33,0:22:19.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my greatest hope\Nis all these young people.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.42,0:22:21.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, in China,\Npeople will come up and say,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:22.00,0:22:24.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, of course I care\Nabout the environment,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.17,0:22:26.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was in 'Roots and Shoots'\Nin primary school."
Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.46,0:22:29.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, we have "Roots and Shoots"\Njust hanging on to the values
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.79,0:22:34.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're so enthusiastic\Nonce they know the problems
Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.62,0:22:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're empowered to take action,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.50,0:22:40.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are clearing the streams,\Nremoving invasive species humanely.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:41.96,0:22:43.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they have so many ideas.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.71,0:22:48.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then there's, you know,\Nthis extraordinary intellect of ours.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.42,0:22:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're beginning to use it\Nto come up with technology
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.50,0:22:55.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that really will help us\Nto live in greater harmony,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.38,0:22:56.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in our individual lives,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.00,0:23:01.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's think about the consequences\Nof what we do each day.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.12,0:23:03.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do we buy, where did it come from,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.25,0:23:04.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how was it made?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:04.83,0:23:07.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did it harm the environment,\Nwas it cruel to animals?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:07.79,0:23:10.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it cheap because of child slave labor?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.17,0:23:12.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Make ethical choices.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.04,0:23:15.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which you can't do if you're living\Nin poverty, by the way.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:15.58,0:23:18.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then finally, this indomitable spirit
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.29,0:23:20.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of people who tackle what seems impossible
Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.92,0:23:23.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and won't give up.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.38,0:23:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't give up when you have those ...
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.50,0:23:29.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you know, there are things\Nthat I can't fight.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.04,0:23:31.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't fight corruption.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.83,0:23:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't fight military\Nregimes and dictators.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.62,0:23:40.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I can only do what I can do,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.50,0:23:43.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if we all do the bits that we can do,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:43.92,0:23:47.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surely that makes a whole\Nthat eventually will win out.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:47.83,0:23:49.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: So, last question, Jane.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.25,0:23:51.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If there was one idea, one thought,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.58,0:23:56.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one seed you could plant\Nin the minds of everyone watching this,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:56.33,0:23:58.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what would that be?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.21,0:24:02.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: You know, just remember\Nthat every day you live,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:02.38,0:24:04.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you make an impact on the planet.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:04.75,0:24:07.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't help making an impact.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:07.04,0:24:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And at least, unless\Nyou're living in extreme poverty,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:10.62,0:24:13.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have a choice as to what sort\Nof impact you make.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.88,0:24:15.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even in poverty you have a choice,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:15.83,0:24:19.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when we are more affluent,\Nwe have a greater choice.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.75,0:24:22.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if we all make ethical choices,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:22.67,0:24:25.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then we start moving towards a world
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.83,0:24:30.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that will be not quite so desperate\Nto leave to our great-grandchildren.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.92,0:24:35.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's, I think, something for everybody.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:35.71,0:24:38.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because a lot of people\Nunderstand what's happening,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:38.71,0:24:41.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they feel helpless and hopeless,\Nand what can they do,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.50,0:24:44.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so they do nothing\Nand they become apathetic.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:44.08,0:24:46.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is a huge danger, apathy.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.75,0:24:49.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: Dr. Jane Goodall, wow.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.96,0:24:53.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really want to thank you\Nfor your extraordinary life,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.96,0:24:55.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for all that you've done
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.00,0:24:57.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for spending this time with us now.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:57.88,0:24:59.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.29,0:25:00.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Thank you.