1 00:00:00,556 --> 00:00:02,566 Kiersten Beigel: Good afternoon, everybody. 2 00:00:02,566 --> 00:00:04,566 This is Kiersten Beigel. 3 00:00:04,566 --> 00:00:07,256 I'm with the Office of Head Start, and I would love 4 00:00:07,306 --> 00:00:12,176 to welcome you this afternoon (or midday or morning, 5 00:00:12,176 --> 00:00:14,176 as the case may be for some of you). 6 00:00:14,176 --> 00:00:16,966 I'm going to be your moderator for this webinar, 7 00:00:16,966 --> 00:00:19,656 "Father Engagement is Everybody's Business", 8 00:00:19,716 --> 00:00:22,926 and I am absolutely thrilled to be able to do that. 9 00:00:22,926 --> 00:00:26,246 We have a lot going on this week at the Office of Head Start, 10 00:00:26,246 --> 00:00:28,896 as you know since you registered for this webinar. 11 00:00:28,896 --> 00:00:32,766 This is part of a series of resources/events 12 00:00:32,816 --> 00:00:35,846 that are happening the week before Father's Day, 13 00:00:36,296 --> 00:00:38,386 and we're really excited to be able 14 00:00:38,386 --> 00:00:42,026 to offer the field some new resources to support the work 15 00:00:42,056 --> 00:00:44,856 that we do in partnering with fathers in our programs -- 16 00:00:44,856 --> 00:00:47,586 Head Start and Early Head Start programs. 17 00:00:47,776 --> 00:00:50,406 So, before we get going I'm going to -- 18 00:00:50,556 --> 00:00:52,556 let's do a little tech talk here. 19 00:00:52,556 --> 00:00:55,496 I wanted to remind you you can use your computer speakers 20 00:00:55,496 --> 00:00:57,496 to hear the webinar. 21 00:00:57,496 --> 00:01:01,546 If you can't hear the presenters you can, of course, always attempt 22 00:01:01,546 --> 00:01:03,826 to turn on your computer speakers. 23 00:01:03,826 --> 00:01:05,996 And if you're having problems with your speakers, 24 00:01:05,996 --> 00:01:08,316 or they're not working, you can -- 25 00:01:08,616 --> 00:01:13,336 we've got a phone number here in the public chat that Natalie, 26 00:01:13,796 --> 00:01:16,426 who's our webinar coordinator, put up for everybody. 27 00:01:16,696 --> 00:01:18,706 So, you can see that in the public chat. 28 00:01:18,706 --> 00:01:20,866 It's a number with a dial in that you can call 29 00:01:20,866 --> 00:01:22,866 in if you're having trouble. 30 00:01:22,866 --> 00:01:26,456 I also wanted to direct you to Sam. 31 00:01:26,456 --> 00:01:31,516 Sam has his own tab next to the public-private tab. 32 00:01:31,746 --> 00:01:33,746 There's a Sam tab. 33 00:01:33,746 --> 00:01:36,636 And if you are having any trouble, any kind of technical issues, 34 00:01:36,636 --> 00:01:40,006 you can do some private chatting with Sam and he'll help you out. 35 00:01:40,006 --> 00:01:42,006 So, that's our tech talk. 36 00:01:42,006 --> 00:01:48,116 I wanted to tell you that we have a pretty interactive session 37 00:01:48,116 --> 00:01:50,116 for you today. 38 00:01:50,116 --> 00:01:52,116 We're really excited. 39 00:01:52,116 --> 00:01:55,496 We have a pretty laid back group of folks, who are very passionate 40 00:01:55,496 --> 00:01:58,296 about their work with fathers, to say the least. 41 00:01:58,296 --> 00:02:01,956 And I think they're going to keep it pretty conversational so this -- 42 00:02:02,076 --> 00:02:04,326 we may be doing a little webinar free styling here, 43 00:02:04,326 --> 00:02:08,226 a little different than the usual style of webinar. 44 00:02:08,756 --> 00:02:12,076 And they're also excited to get to know a little bit about you. 45 00:02:12,076 --> 00:02:14,886 We'll be doing some polling questions, asking you to weigh in, 46 00:02:15,386 --> 00:02:17,746 and they'll guide you when it's time to do that. 47 00:02:18,106 --> 00:02:21,756 So, now I would like to give you a chance to hear from them. 48 00:02:21,756 --> 00:02:25,216 They're going to introduce themselves, and we'll start 49 00:02:25,216 --> 00:02:27,806 with David who is in the upper left hand corner here. 50 00:02:27,806 --> 00:02:31,946 And if you guys could just tell us who you are and a little bit 51 00:02:31,946 --> 00:02:34,656 about your connection with this work. 52 00:02:34,656 --> 00:02:36,776 David Jones: Okay, thank you Kiersten. 53 00:02:37,236 --> 00:02:39,236 Welcome everyone. 54 00:02:39,236 --> 00:02:41,236 I'm so excited that you're all participating 55 00:02:41,236 --> 00:02:43,236 with us on this webinar. 56 00:02:43,236 --> 00:02:45,236 My name is David Jones. 57 00:02:45,236 --> 00:02:47,236 I am the Fatherhood Specialist here in the Office of Head Start. 58 00:02:47,236 --> 00:02:49,236 I co-lead all of our fatherhood efforts with Kiersten Beigel. 59 00:02:49,616 --> 00:02:52,566 And I have about 15 to 20 years 60 00:02:52,566 --> 00:02:58,586 of experience providing services directly, indirectly for fathers, 61 00:02:58,846 --> 00:03:02,446 individual work, group work, you name it, within the context 62 00:03:02,446 --> 00:03:04,446 of Early Head Start, Head Start, 63 00:03:04,446 --> 00:03:06,446 and also as a consultant to other programs. 64 00:03:06,446 --> 00:03:08,446 So welcome. 65 00:03:08,446 --> 00:03:11,516 John Hornstein: Okay, I'm John Hornstein. 66 00:03:11,606 --> 00:03:17,126 I'm on the upper right hand side, the one with the glasses up there. 67 00:03:17,886 --> 00:03:23,076 I'm delighted to be working with David and Ed and Kiersten on this. 68 00:03:23,216 --> 00:03:27,876 I work at the National Center for Parent, Family, 69 00:03:27,876 --> 00:03:33,436 and Community Engagement and have been doing fatherhood work 70 00:03:33,436 --> 00:03:36,586 for over 30 years. 71 00:03:36,646 --> 00:03:41,176 And kind of backed into it when -- at a time when -- 72 00:03:41,286 --> 00:03:46,506 I remember very distinctly the first time I said to myself, 73 00:03:46,556 --> 00:03:48,656 "I've got to do more about this," was at a conference 74 00:03:48,656 --> 00:03:50,656 when the keynote speaker was asked, well, 75 00:03:50,656 --> 00:03:52,656 what do you do with fathers then? 76 00:03:52,656 --> 00:03:54,656 And the speaker said, "well, 77 00:03:54,656 --> 00:03:57,406 nothing because they don't show up." 78 00:03:57,776 --> 00:04:01,046 So, that got me not laid back, 79 00:04:01,196 --> 00:04:03,196 as Kiersten said, but quite passionate. 80 00:04:03,856 --> 00:04:06,976 So, I'll move onto Ed. 81 00:04:07,516 --> 00:04:09,546 [Foreign Language] 82 00:04:10,046 --> 00:04:12,046 Edwin Cheromiah: This is -- my name is Edwin Cheromiah, 83 00:04:12,276 --> 00:04:14,276 and I just greeted you 84 00:04:14,276 --> 00:04:16,276 in our Pueblo Laguna language, the Keres language. 85 00:04:16,396 --> 00:04:18,916 I was just wishing everybody a good afternoon. 86 00:04:19,266 --> 00:04:24,026 Also again, I've been with the Pueblo Laguna Fatherhood Program 87 00:04:24,026 --> 00:04:28,136 through the Laguna Head Start for the past eight years. 88 00:04:29,636 --> 00:04:34,796 Way back in 2004, these men -- a few men got together and wanted 89 00:04:34,796 --> 00:04:36,836 to have fathers more engaged. 90 00:04:37,296 --> 00:04:39,576 So it went through PFS first of all, 91 00:04:39,576 --> 00:04:41,576 but then finally came into Head Start. 92 00:04:41,626 --> 00:04:43,626 That's where I've been, 93 00:04:43,626 --> 00:04:45,626 that's where I was hired for this position. 94 00:04:45,626 --> 00:04:48,216 And I continue to offer services for dads, you know, 95 00:04:48,216 --> 00:04:53,476 resources to different programs that we have here in Laguna, 96 00:04:53,856 --> 00:04:55,856 and also offering them just the support 97 00:04:55,856 --> 00:04:58,016 that sometimes fathers need to move forward. 98 00:04:58,376 --> 00:05:00,956 And it's a pleasure to be with you today. 99 00:05:02,096 --> 00:05:04,196 Kiersten: So how we're really -- 100 00:05:04,366 --> 00:05:06,926 you might have heard some of our muted voices. 101 00:05:07,306 --> 00:05:10,146 We were really excited to see folks rolling in, and we have well 102 00:05:10,226 --> 00:05:14,436 over 1,000 people register for this, which is very telling 103 00:05:14,436 --> 00:05:18,576 about how interested people are in father engagement. 104 00:05:18,656 --> 00:05:21,446 So, today what we're going to do is about an hour and a half. 105 00:05:21,446 --> 00:05:23,446 And I'm going to monitoring chat. 106 00:05:23,446 --> 00:05:26,596 So, as questions come up along the way, we might stop and take some 107 00:05:26,596 --> 00:05:28,596 of those, or I might make some decisions 108 00:05:28,596 --> 00:05:30,596 about holding those towards the end. 109 00:05:30,596 --> 00:05:33,646 But, what we're going to do is reflect kind of on where we are now 110 00:05:33,646 --> 00:05:36,406 and where we hope to go in building supportive partnerships 111 00:05:36,436 --> 00:05:39,916 with fathers, think a little bit about sort of the movement -- 112 00:05:39,916 --> 00:05:43,546 of the fatherhood movement and how things have evolved in Head Start 113 00:05:43,546 --> 00:05:45,786 with regards to father engagement. 114 00:05:45,786 --> 00:05:49,236 And we want to renew our enthusiasm and commitment to this work. 115 00:05:49,866 --> 00:05:52,626 We want to identify some ways to build father engagement 116 00:05:52,626 --> 00:05:54,976 that is systemic, integrated and comprehensive, 117 00:05:54,976 --> 00:05:57,296 and we'll talk more about what that means. 118 00:05:57,396 --> 00:06:00,096 And we hope to share some new resources for you. 119 00:06:00,096 --> 00:06:02,636 Some of the resources that are coming out this week 120 00:06:02,636 --> 00:06:05,816 that you may use to improve your program practice with fathers. 121 00:06:06,446 --> 00:06:10,376 So, without further ado, I turn it over to David. 122 00:06:10,746 --> 00:06:16,556 David: Hi, so we're going to begin with our first polling question, 123 00:06:17,456 --> 00:06:19,456 which is a two part question. 124 00:06:19,456 --> 00:06:21,876 We want to get a feel for, you know, the participants 125 00:06:21,876 --> 00:06:25,156 on the call today, so we'd like to ask that everyone participate. 126 00:06:25,676 --> 00:06:27,976 So, Natalie can you please go ahead and launch the poll? 127 00:06:28,516 --> 00:06:34,136 [ Background Noise ] 128 00:06:34,636 --> 00:06:39,046 David: And the first question is, what is your role 129 00:06:39,096 --> 00:06:41,156 within the Head Start program? 130 00:06:42,176 --> 00:06:45,306 So, we'd like for everyone to sort of take a moment and click 131 00:06:45,886 --> 00:06:48,936 on the choice that best fits the role that you have 132 00:06:48,966 --> 00:06:50,966 in the program within where you work. 133 00:06:50,966 --> 00:06:52,966 If - obviously, if you're not 134 00:06:52,966 --> 00:06:55,606 within a Head Start program you can choose one of the other options. 135 00:06:55,756 --> 00:06:57,000 We'll give you a few seconds to do that. 136 00:06:58,256 --> 00:07:09,686 [ Background Noise ] 137 00:07:10,186 --> 00:07:12,756 David: And Natalie, I'm not sure in terms of time, 138 00:07:12,756 --> 00:07:15,836 but give them a couple more seconds 139 00:07:15,836 --> 00:07:17,000 and then we can take a look at the results. 140 00:07:18,336 --> 00:07:32,926 [ Background Noise ] 141 00:07:33,426 --> 00:07:36,126 David: Okay, can we see results from the first question? 142 00:07:36,366 --> 00:07:41,186 Wow, so it looks like about 26 percent of you are family 143 00:07:41,186 --> 00:07:43,186 and community partnership staff, 144 00:07:43,686 --> 00:07:48,346 11 percent are parent involvement staff, and then just sort of mix 145 00:07:48,346 --> 00:07:52,476 of sort of directors, sort of leadership in the program. 146 00:07:52,476 --> 00:07:56,246 We actually have some focused male involvement staff, health staff. 147 00:07:56,696 --> 00:08:01,126 So, this is great and this sort of connects with the title 148 00:08:01,126 --> 00:08:03,126 of this webinar, which is, you know, 149 00:08:03,126 --> 00:08:05,706 "Father Engagement is Everybody's Business" 150 00:08:05,706 --> 00:08:07,746 so this is really nice to see. 151 00:08:08,296 --> 00:08:11,976 So, can we move now to the next polling question? 152 00:08:12,516 --> 00:08:21,016 [ Background Noise ] 153 00:08:21,516 --> 00:08:23,000 David: Okay, it's going to come up in a second. 154 00:08:24,016 --> 00:08:29,546 [ Background Noise ] 155 00:08:30,046 --> 00:08:31,000 David: So, what is your gender? 156 00:08:32,546 --> 00:08:37,996 [ Background Noise ] 157 00:08:38,496 --> 00:08:40,000 David: Take a few moments, make your selection. 158 00:08:40,996 --> 00:08:48,566 [ Background Noise ] 159 00:08:49,066 --> 00:08:51,066 David: And the one thing I want to say 160 00:08:51,066 --> 00:08:53,066 about the previous polling question is, again, 161 00:08:53,066 --> 00:08:55,066 irrespective of your role within the program, you know, 162 00:08:55,066 --> 00:08:57,586 everyone can make a meaningful contribution to working with, 163 00:08:57,666 --> 00:08:59,666 supporting and engaging fathers. 164 00:08:59,666 --> 00:09:01,666 John: Uh huh. 165 00:09:01,666 --> 00:09:03,666 David: That's one of the things that we really want 166 00:09:03,666 --> 00:09:05,666 to underscore with today's webinar. 167 00:09:06,466 --> 00:09:08,000 Okay, can we see the results please, Natalie? 168 00:09:08,966 --> 00:09:16,546 [ Background Noise ] 169 00:09:17,046 --> 00:09:19,000 David: It takes a couple of seconds. 170 00:09:19,886 --> 00:09:21,000 >> David: Ah. 171 00:09:21,886 --> 00:09:23,000 >> John: Wow. 172 00:09:24,746 --> 00:09:27,886 >> John: You know that leaves a certain percentage unaccounted for. 173 00:09:28,376 --> 00:09:29,000 >> David: Yeah. 174 00:09:30,376 --> 00:09:32,000 >> John: But still, the proportion is pretty interesting isn't it? 175 00:09:32,376 --> 00:09:34,376 >> David: It is. 176 00:09:34,376 --> 00:09:36,376 It is and I mean this is really important for us 177 00:09:36,376 --> 00:09:38,376 because again we want to make sure that we're being thoughtful 178 00:09:38,376 --> 00:09:43,316 in terms of how we respond, how we present and what we're saying. 179 00:09:43,316 --> 00:09:47,176 We have a sense that you know our programs are predominantly 180 00:09:47,586 --> 00:09:49,796 populated by female staff, but we just want to make sure 181 00:09:49,796 --> 00:09:51,946 that we're being thoughtful and sensitive to the entire audience. 182 00:09:51,996 --> 00:09:53,996 So, thank you so much for your participation. 183 00:09:53,996 --> 00:09:55,000 Natalie, you can go ahead and close that poll. 184 00:09:56,496 --> 00:10:00,066 [ Background Noise ] 185 00:10:00,566 --> 00:10:04,176 John: What it also says David is the majority of conversations 186 00:10:04,176 --> 00:10:09,726 with fathers are between female staff and fathers. 187 00:10:09,726 --> 00:10:11,726 David: That's right. 188 00:10:11,726 --> 00:10:13,726 John: Yeah. 189 00:10:13,726 --> 00:10:15,726 David: That's right. 190 00:10:15,726 --> 00:10:17,726 And so, it speaks to and underscores the importance of, 191 00:10:17,726 --> 00:10:19,726 sort of, what happens when those opportunities present themselves 192 00:10:19,726 --> 00:10:21,726 in terms of what we do with them. 193 00:10:22,486 --> 00:10:24,486 So, we're waiting for the next slide. 194 00:10:26,066 --> 00:10:29,536 And while we're waiting, basically what we're going 195 00:10:29,536 --> 00:10:32,126 to do moving forward is just going to be really reflecting 196 00:10:32,126 --> 00:10:34,466 on fatherhood and Head Start and Early Head Start and sort 197 00:10:34,466 --> 00:10:38,296 of talking a little bit about the historical evolution 198 00:10:38,946 --> 00:10:40,946 of the fatherhood movement within Head Start. 199 00:10:41,516 --> 00:10:46,766 [ Background Noise ] 200 00:10:47,266 --> 00:10:50,786 David: Seems -- we may be having a little technical difficulty. 201 00:10:50,786 --> 00:10:54,386 John: I've -- David: Do you see the slide? 202 00:10:54,576 --> 00:10:56,576 John: Yeah, but I clicked on the tab 203 00:10:56,576 --> 00:10:59,836 at the top that'll put me back to father engagement. 204 00:10:59,836 --> 00:11:01,836 I did -- David: Okay. 205 00:11:01,836 --> 00:11:03,836 So, I just did the same thing. 206 00:11:03,836 --> 00:11:07,376 So, I mean there's a lot that we can cover to address, you know, 207 00:11:07,376 --> 00:11:11,476 why fatherhood evolved in the way that it has. 208 00:11:11,476 --> 00:11:14,996 You know, we can sort of ask ourselves some questions 209 00:11:14,996 --> 00:11:16,996 about the role the women played. 210 00:11:17,166 --> 00:11:21,476 And let me say that women have been exceptional in their understanding 211 00:11:22,036 --> 00:11:24,806 and support of the movement to support father engagement. 212 00:11:24,806 --> 00:11:29,346 And I think were it not for their initial insight and their fortitude 213 00:11:29,816 --> 00:11:33,496 and support, I'm not certain we would have evolved 214 00:11:33,946 --> 00:11:35,946 to where we have today. 215 00:11:35,946 --> 00:11:37,946 John: Yeah. 216 00:11:37,946 --> 00:11:39,946 David: You know, they had to allow men in. 217 00:11:39,946 --> 00:11:41,946 John: Right. 218 00:11:41,946 --> 00:11:43,946 David: And then what about the men? 219 00:11:43,946 --> 00:11:45,946 John: Yeah. 220 00:11:45,946 --> 00:11:47,946 David: I think they had to dare to be different and step 221 00:11:47,946 --> 00:11:53,176 out of their comfort zone, but what is important is involving fathers. 222 00:11:53,666 --> 00:11:57,566 Initially, we got to a place where in the awareness stage what 223 00:11:57,566 --> 00:12:02,176 that meant was that we were not only asking more from fathers, 224 00:12:02,176 --> 00:12:04,826 but we were also asking more from programs and from staff. 225 00:12:04,986 --> 00:12:08,166 So, that means everybody had to be a little bit different in terms 226 00:12:08,166 --> 00:12:10,166 of the way that they were working and what they did. 227 00:12:10,166 --> 00:12:14,076 In the second stage, the acknowledging stage, you know, 228 00:12:14,226 --> 00:12:17,636 programs -- we began to believe that programs needed sort 229 00:12:17,636 --> 00:12:21,736 of an adjunct or separate services for fathers in order for them 230 00:12:21,736 --> 00:12:24,256 to be effective, in order for them to meaningful. 231 00:12:24,686 --> 00:12:27,176 And I think at the time, John and Ed 232 00:12:27,176 --> 00:12:29,176 if you agree, that was appropriate. 233 00:12:29,176 --> 00:12:31,176 John: Sure. 234 00:12:31,176 --> 00:12:33,176 David: Until we began to see what happened 235 00:12:33,176 --> 00:12:37,506 when the father involvement staff left the organization. 236 00:12:38,816 --> 00:12:41,636 You know sometimes the -- all the great effort, the great work 237 00:12:41,636 --> 00:12:43,976 that had gone into producing this program sort of went 238 00:12:43,976 --> 00:12:45,976 out the door with that individual. 239 00:12:45,976 --> 00:12:49,466 So, we've evolved now in our thinking to not only expect 240 00:12:50,026 --> 00:12:53,076 that staff build relationships with fathers and that fathers engage. 241 00:12:53,076 --> 00:12:57,146 We are suggesting that fully integrating services for fathers 242 00:12:58,056 --> 00:13:01,646 as a component of overall services is not only appropriate, 243 00:13:02,156 --> 00:13:04,976 but it can contribute to sustainable service provision 244 00:13:05,476 --> 00:13:07,546 when we make fatherhood everybody's business. 245 00:13:07,546 --> 00:13:09,546 John: Uh huh. 246 00:13:09,546 --> 00:13:11,546 David: And it's important to note 247 00:13:11,546 --> 00:13:13,546 that initially you know some fathers were hesitant, 248 00:13:13,546 --> 00:13:15,786 almost reluctant, for very valid reasons. 249 00:13:16,306 --> 00:13:19,086 You know there were some cultural reasons for their distance 250 00:13:19,206 --> 00:13:22,466 from educational programs as well as some of the systemic stuff 251 00:13:22,516 --> 00:13:24,516 that we're all aware of. 252 00:13:24,516 --> 00:13:26,516 But, in some cases we have fathers 253 00:13:26,516 --> 00:13:28,516 who have received incredible support and guidance 254 00:13:28,886 --> 00:13:31,426 from their own fathers, and they drew from that experience, 255 00:13:31,946 --> 00:13:34,406 and it was easy to really work with them and talk to them 256 00:13:34,406 --> 00:13:36,836 about what was important for them as fathers. 257 00:13:36,946 --> 00:13:39,956 And then we had the other end of the spectrum with fathers 258 00:13:39,956 --> 00:13:44,046 that did not have that experience that were committed 259 00:13:44,256 --> 00:13:46,366 to doing something different for their children 260 00:13:46,366 --> 00:13:48,366 than what they received. 261 00:13:48,366 --> 00:13:50,366 John, would you like to say -- John: Yeah. 262 00:13:50,366 --> 00:13:52,366 David: Anything about the connections and opportunities 263 00:13:52,366 --> 00:13:54,676 for connections at the different developmental stages? 264 00:13:54,856 --> 00:13:56,856 John: Yeah sure. 265 00:13:56,856 --> 00:14:00,986 I mean I think this is a great kind of reflection on the history. 266 00:14:00,986 --> 00:14:03,716 And I -- the other day I was wondering, you know, 267 00:14:04,016 --> 00:14:07,306 what did fathers themselves have to do with this change? 268 00:14:07,306 --> 00:14:11,586 And I think fathers themselves are expecting more of programs 269 00:14:11,586 --> 00:14:13,786 because society as a whole has changed. 270 00:14:14,216 --> 00:14:17,496 But, I think, one of the things about expectations is 271 00:14:17,496 --> 00:14:21,286 that it may feel really different at different ages, what -- 272 00:14:21,776 --> 00:14:25,416 the kind of connection you can make with a father 273 00:14:25,416 --> 00:14:27,416 when he brings an infant to a program, 274 00:14:27,416 --> 00:14:29,936 or when you do a home visit, is quite different 275 00:14:29,936 --> 00:14:32,466 than that father whose thinking 276 00:14:32,466 --> 00:14:36,346 of their four year old as a ball player. 277 00:14:36,736 --> 00:14:40,976 So, I think there is a lot of complexity to this process. 278 00:14:41,196 --> 00:14:46,056 But I also think that this idea that somehow everybody -- 279 00:14:46,056 --> 00:14:50,596 that full engagement means really thinking about every aspect 280 00:14:50,596 --> 00:14:54,306 of the program as being something that fathers are involved with 281 00:14:54,746 --> 00:14:58,916 and that it's not a distinct and separate thing. 282 00:14:58,916 --> 00:15:00,916 I think that's an important thing. 283 00:15:00,916 --> 00:15:02,916 At the same time there may be some things that are distinctly 284 00:15:02,916 --> 00:15:05,746 for fathers, and those shouldn't end necessarily. 285 00:15:06,116 --> 00:15:08,116 David: That's a really good point. 286 00:15:08,546 --> 00:15:12,586 >> Yeah. David: So, as we consider what we mean or, sort of, 287 00:15:12,586 --> 00:15:15,716 what we're thinking about when we talk about moving from involvement 288 00:15:16,116 --> 00:15:18,736 to engagement, as you can see from this slide. 289 00:15:18,736 --> 00:15:22,886 You know a lot of times, in my experience sort of being 290 00:15:22,886 --> 00:15:26,696 in a program, sort of leading the evolution of a program 291 00:15:26,696 --> 00:15:30,036 that became more father friendly, consulting with other programs 292 00:15:30,036 --> 00:15:32,596 that were beginning or attempting to start fatherhood initiatives. 293 00:15:32,986 --> 00:15:35,736 Programs tend to gravitate to do what comes easy 294 00:15:36,016 --> 00:15:38,856 or what satisfies program's goals 295 00:15:38,856 --> 00:15:41,496 of actually having a fathers' event. 296 00:15:41,526 --> 00:15:44,746 And that's not to say that these events are not meaningful 297 00:15:44,746 --> 00:15:47,396 and they don't provide opportunities for connectedness, 298 00:15:47,536 --> 00:15:49,796 but tying the event to a process 299 00:15:49,796 --> 00:15:52,756 that facilitates ongoing opportunities for connectedness 300 00:15:53,246 --> 00:15:55,956 and relationship building is the key with the goal in mind 301 00:15:55,956 --> 00:15:59,536 of learning about how you know fathers think and feel 302 00:15:59,536 --> 00:16:03,046 about their role as parents and what's important to them 303 00:16:03,046 --> 00:16:05,046 in relationship to their child's development. 304 00:16:05,606 --> 00:16:10,076 You know, we are at a place where we want staff to extend themselves 305 00:16:10,076 --> 00:16:12,646 and seek opportunities to connect. 306 00:16:12,766 --> 00:16:17,166 There's so many routines and complimentary supports 307 00:16:17,586 --> 00:16:20,526 within Head Start that provide opportunities to connect 308 00:16:20,526 --> 00:16:24,876 with fathers that can result in systemic, integrated 309 00:16:24,876 --> 00:16:27,716 and comprehensive services, as shown on this slide. 310 00:16:27,756 --> 00:16:30,966 You know, we encourage you to dig 311 00:16:30,966 --> 00:16:33,126 into the resources that's being released this week 312 00:16:33,126 --> 00:16:38,166 and begin assessing your programs' current services, the intersections 313 00:16:38,166 --> 00:16:41,506 and or opportunities for connections with fathers, you know, 314 00:16:41,506 --> 00:16:43,506 at times of pickup and drop off. 315 00:16:43,896 --> 00:16:46,326 You know, if families transition 316 00:16:46,326 --> 00:16:48,326 and then I know there's this process where a lot 317 00:16:48,326 --> 00:16:52,396 of families transition into Head Start or Early Head Start initially 318 00:16:52,396 --> 00:16:54,396 in home-based and they move 319 00:16:54,396 --> 00:16:56,396 into a center-based option if that available. 320 00:16:57,836 --> 00:17:00,676 There's a significant change in the amount of time that you have 321 00:17:00,676 --> 00:17:03,856 to communicate with families when they're in home-based juxtaposed 322 00:17:03,856 --> 00:17:06,096 to center-based during pickup and drop off. 323 00:17:06,096 --> 00:17:08,915 So, staff have to be really crafty about seizing the moments 324 00:17:09,386 --> 00:17:11,386 and taking advantage of those opportunities 325 00:17:11,386 --> 00:17:13,496 to communicate with families. 326 00:17:14,106 --> 00:17:16,526 John: Can you go back? 327 00:17:16,746 --> 00:17:18,746 David: Sure. 328 00:17:18,746 --> 00:17:20,746 John: Is it possible to go back? 329 00:17:20,746 --> 00:17:22,746 David: Of course. 330 00:17:22,746 --> 00:17:24,746 John: Because I want to put an X right there, alright. 331 00:17:24,746 --> 00:17:26,746 David: Okay. 332 00:17:26,746 --> 00:17:28,886 John: And there's some interesting research on mothers and fathers 333 00:17:28,886 --> 00:17:33,296 when they drop off kids at childcare. 334 00:17:33,766 --> 00:17:37,836 And one of things they've found is that after a problem, I'm sure many 335 00:17:37,836 --> 00:17:40,706 of you have seen situations where the child kind 336 00:17:40,706 --> 00:17:45,736 of has a hard time transitioning in and cries and both the parent 337 00:17:45,736 --> 00:17:47,736 and the child have difficulty. 338 00:17:47,736 --> 00:17:51,366 So, in this research they called up both mothers and fathers 339 00:17:51,366 --> 00:17:54,856 like 10 minutes or so after they dropped the child off 340 00:17:54,996 --> 00:17:58,546 and what they found was that when it was a problematic one, 341 00:17:58,546 --> 00:18:01,756 when it was a separation issue, both mothers 342 00:18:01,756 --> 00:18:04,476 and fathers were still upset. 343 00:18:04,826 --> 00:18:06,826 They were still really concerned. 344 00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:11,066 The difference was, was that the mothers typically had somebody 345 00:18:11,066 --> 00:18:13,846 to talk to about it and the fathers didn't. 346 00:18:13,846 --> 00:18:18,406 So, you know, what David said about these particular times 347 00:18:18,406 --> 00:18:21,186 to make a connection, that time when the, 348 00:18:21,556 --> 00:18:24,356 with the difficult drop off, that may be a great time 349 00:18:24,356 --> 00:18:28,026 to build a connection with a father. 350 00:18:28,206 --> 00:18:30,206 Now, you can move the slide. 351 00:18:30,206 --> 00:18:32,206 David: Make a point. 352 00:18:32,206 --> 00:18:37,706 John: I just wanted to use the X. David: This is yours, John. 353 00:18:38,156 --> 00:18:40,156 John: Okay, yeah. 354 00:18:40,156 --> 00:18:42,156 So, and this kind of gets to what I was talking about, 355 00:18:42,156 --> 00:18:46,256 is these barriers to involvement and engagement are different. 356 00:18:46,256 --> 00:18:50,476 So, involvement is, like, what's getting in the way as far 357 00:18:50,476 --> 00:18:52,476 as just a physical thing, you know? 358 00:18:52,476 --> 00:18:54,476 Is it transportation? 359 00:18:54,476 --> 00:18:57,186 Is it ability to make it to the program? 360 00:18:57,486 --> 00:19:01,646 It's all kinds of these almost physical kind of barriers, 361 00:19:01,646 --> 00:19:06,156 whereas the barriers to true engagement, to a true partnership 362 00:19:06,196 --> 00:19:09,776 with fathers is really more internal. 363 00:19:09,996 --> 00:19:14,396 It's more, what am I bringing to these relationships? 364 00:19:14,396 --> 00:19:17,236 What do I believe that the father believes 365 00:19:17,236 --> 00:19:20,286 about the program or about child rearing? 366 00:19:20,556 --> 00:19:24,366 So, it's more this internal stuff that's in the way 367 00:19:24,366 --> 00:19:26,366 of fully engaging with fathers. 368 00:19:26,366 --> 00:19:28,436 And so, when we get to professional development, 369 00:19:28,636 --> 00:19:31,526 that's what we're going to want to think about. 370 00:19:31,526 --> 00:19:35,376 So, you know, what is in the way of a father walking 371 00:19:35,376 --> 00:19:40,566 across the threshold into a program or actually participating 372 00:19:40,566 --> 00:19:44,666 in a meeting when there's an issue? 373 00:19:44,666 --> 00:19:50,306 So, I think that we're moving to thinking in a deeper way 374 00:19:50,306 --> 00:19:52,696 about how we form these partnerships. 375 00:19:53,916 --> 00:19:56,566 So, yeah, so now we can move to the research. 376 00:19:57,156 --> 00:20:00,556 David: Well John, before we move 377 00:20:01,256 --> 00:20:03,336 to the research slide -- John: Yeah, yeah. 378 00:20:03,376 --> 00:20:07,436 David: I would just like to add a little conversation 379 00:20:08,336 --> 00:20:10,336 about this last bullet. 380 00:20:10,816 --> 00:20:12,816 John: Okay. 381 00:20:12,816 --> 00:20:14,816 Oh, you're using the star. 382 00:20:14,816 --> 00:20:16,816 I see. David: Getting fancy here. 383 00:20:17,686 --> 00:20:22,186 You know this is where a lot of the work really happens with staff 384 00:20:22,186 --> 00:20:24,516 as it relates to professional development when we start 385 00:20:24,516 --> 00:20:26,516 to think about the barriers. 386 00:20:26,516 --> 00:20:28,516 John: Yeah. 387 00:20:28,516 --> 00:20:30,516 David: I think it's important for us to really acknowledge 388 00:20:30,516 --> 00:20:32,516 and accept the fact that it is difficult 389 00:20:32,516 --> 00:20:36,876 and that it may take time and effort. 390 00:20:36,876 --> 00:20:39,546 You know in the fatherhood resource that we're releasing today 391 00:20:39,546 --> 00:20:43,816 on the ECLKC on page 22 there's really nice quotes 392 00:20:43,816 --> 00:20:48,736 from a staff member that speaks to her beliefs about the father's role 393 00:20:49,386 --> 00:20:53,216 and who she felt she should be talking to about child development. 394 00:20:53,706 --> 00:20:57,256 And how with good staff training, peer support 395 00:20:57,766 --> 00:21:02,256 and supervision she was able to change her belief system and begin 396 00:21:02,256 --> 00:21:04,876 to look at other personal and professional biases 397 00:21:04,876 --> 00:21:06,876 that were affecting her work with fathers. 398 00:21:06,876 --> 00:21:08,876 John: Yeah, yeah. 399 00:21:08,876 --> 00:21:10,876 That's -- David: I think that's just a really important point 400 00:21:10,876 --> 00:21:12,876 to make that we know that this work there's some complex issues. 401 00:21:13,186 --> 00:21:15,366 And moving from one place 402 00:21:15,366 --> 00:21:18,126 to the next will take some time, energy and effort. 403 00:21:18,486 --> 00:21:20,486 John: Yeah. 404 00:21:20,486 --> 00:21:23,926 And David, so much of that stuff thus sets the beliefs 405 00:21:23,926 --> 00:21:28,276 about what my role as a parent or my role in communicating 406 00:21:28,276 --> 00:21:31,216 to a parent about which issues is pretty deep stuff. 407 00:21:31,216 --> 00:21:33,216 We're not necessarily conscious of it. 408 00:21:33,216 --> 00:21:35,216 We just do it. 409 00:21:35,216 --> 00:21:37,216 David: Right. 410 00:21:37,216 --> 00:21:39,216 John: It's something that's culturally formed in us. 411 00:21:39,216 --> 00:21:41,216 And so, I think some of it is just acknowledging that 412 00:21:41,216 --> 00:21:43,216 and bringing it to the surface. 413 00:21:43,216 --> 00:21:45,216 So, yeah it's a really good point. 414 00:21:45,216 --> 00:21:47,216 David: And the trust that has to be involved in terms 415 00:21:47,216 --> 00:21:49,216 of the relationship with your supervisor to get to a place 416 00:21:49,216 --> 00:21:51,216 where you're actually beginning to wrestle with some of those issues. 417 00:21:51,216 --> 00:21:53,216 John: Exactly, yeah. 418 00:21:53,216 --> 00:21:55,216 David: Okay. 419 00:21:55,216 --> 00:21:59,706 John: Okay, so the research says a lot and to try to put the research 420 00:21:59,706 --> 00:22:03,146 on fatherhood on one slide is very difficult. 421 00:22:03,676 --> 00:22:07,556 And before I get into this, I'd like to say 422 00:22:07,556 --> 00:22:12,396 that this might feel a little offensive 423 00:22:12,596 --> 00:22:15,636 to some people, and that's okay. 424 00:22:15,976 --> 00:22:21,606 But, part of it is that this doesn't say anything 425 00:22:21,606 --> 00:22:23,606 about women really. 426 00:22:23,866 --> 00:22:27,726 And when I say well, fathers make important contributions 427 00:22:27,726 --> 00:22:29,726 to children's development. 428 00:22:29,726 --> 00:22:32,626 Well that doesn't mean that mothers don't make the same contributions, 429 00:22:33,256 --> 00:22:36,216 or that mothers in some cases make the same contributions 430 00:22:36,216 --> 00:22:38,896 that fathers do, or some fathers that mothers do. 431 00:22:38,926 --> 00:22:42,436 So, I think this you know it's not as like you know one -- 432 00:22:42,666 --> 00:22:44,686 two sided as it may seem. 433 00:22:45,126 --> 00:22:47,726 So, I just want to you know make that disclaimer first 434 00:22:47,726 --> 00:22:50,636 because I think this can start feeling like oh, dads do this 435 00:22:50,636 --> 00:22:53,276 and mothers do this when, in fact, it gets mixed 436 00:22:53,276 --> 00:22:55,276 up a lot more than we might think. 437 00:22:55,356 --> 00:22:58,906 The first bullet is men are fully capable 438 00:22:58,906 --> 00:23:00,906 of nurturing young children. 439 00:23:00,906 --> 00:23:02,906 We know that. 440 00:23:02,906 --> 00:23:04,906 We know that throughout history. 441 00:23:04,906 --> 00:23:06,906 Men have nurtured young children. 442 00:23:06,906 --> 00:23:09,966 In some societies men play a larger role in the nurturance. 443 00:23:10,086 --> 00:23:14,546 In many societies that's changing, but men's brains respond 444 00:23:14,546 --> 00:23:18,426 to a babies cry the same way women's brains do. 445 00:23:18,426 --> 00:23:21,206 The same parts of the brain get activated when they hear a cry. 446 00:23:21,586 --> 00:23:25,866 Society has helped them figure out what to do when they hear that cry, 447 00:23:26,276 --> 00:23:29,626 but the neurological phenomenon is the same. 448 00:23:30,246 --> 00:23:33,956 Men naturally raise their voices to a higher pitch 449 00:23:33,956 --> 00:23:35,956 when they're talking to infants. 450 00:23:36,066 --> 00:23:38,686 Of course, if you ask them whether they are they might say 451 00:23:38,686 --> 00:23:40,686 "no, I'm not doing that". 452 00:23:40,686 --> 00:23:42,686 But, then they go "ooh yeah, [inaudible]". 453 00:23:42,846 --> 00:23:47,416 So, you know there are things that men are very capable 454 00:23:47,416 --> 00:23:49,416 of nurturing young children. 455 00:23:49,416 --> 00:23:53,286 Another point on this one is that men tend to look more nurturant 456 00:23:53,286 --> 00:23:56,736 with young children when there aren't women there. 457 00:23:57,046 --> 00:24:01,736 That when there's not, and I would attribute it to well, you know, 458 00:24:01,736 --> 00:24:05,386 there's some role definition going on here and I'm going 459 00:24:05,386 --> 00:24:07,386 to you know play this role. 460 00:24:07,386 --> 00:24:11,636 But, we find in general that when there aren't women near, 461 00:24:11,636 --> 00:24:13,636 men show more nurturance. 462 00:24:13,636 --> 00:24:16,906 The second bullet, and this could go on and on and on, 463 00:24:16,906 --> 00:24:21,526 and some of this material is in the guide that David referred to, 464 00:24:21,976 --> 00:24:26,626 fathers make important varied contributions 465 00:24:26,626 --> 00:24:30,366 to children's development, regulation and self-control. 466 00:24:30,786 --> 00:24:36,656 There -- the way they play with young children causes children 467 00:24:36,686 --> 00:24:40,506 to actually control their impulses a little more 468 00:24:40,506 --> 00:24:42,956 or know what the limits of that are. 469 00:24:42,956 --> 00:24:45,986 We -- you know there's this discussion of fathers tend 470 00:24:45,986 --> 00:24:47,986 to play more roughly with their children, 471 00:24:48,206 --> 00:24:51,876 and sometimes mothers get a little nervous about that, 472 00:24:51,876 --> 00:24:55,296 or even Head Start staff get a little nervous about that. 473 00:24:55,296 --> 00:24:59,236 And certainly we don't want that to go too far and -- 474 00:24:59,546 --> 00:25:02,546 but at the same time a certain amount of that is -- 475 00:25:02,546 --> 00:25:05,466 helps the child gain self-regulation. 476 00:25:05,766 --> 00:25:10,426 Language development, well men tend to make children work harder 477 00:25:10,646 --> 00:25:12,896 when they say something. 478 00:25:12,896 --> 00:25:17,536 And the classic example is when the toddler goes to the refrigerator 479 00:25:17,536 --> 00:25:22,256 and goes "ju", like that, the mother opens up the refrigerator, 480 00:25:22,606 --> 00:25:27,006 gets a cup and pours juice whereas the father goes "what?" 481 00:25:27,756 --> 00:25:30,416 And then the child goes "juice". 482 00:25:31,066 --> 00:25:33,546 And the father goes "oh, you want some juice". 483 00:25:33,546 --> 00:25:37,606 And so, like I said that's in general. 484 00:25:37,606 --> 00:25:39,656 Some mothers are going to be more like fathers that way, 485 00:25:39,656 --> 00:25:42,596 some fathers more like mothers, but in general kids 486 00:25:42,596 --> 00:25:46,136 in the toddler period anyway have to work harder with their language. 487 00:25:47,246 --> 00:25:49,646 Same is true for cognitive and emotional development. 488 00:25:49,646 --> 00:25:52,236 Fathers have a distinct impact on that. 489 00:25:52,466 --> 00:25:55,246 That active play with fathers, nurturant play, 490 00:25:55,546 --> 00:25:59,656 actually supports cognitive and emotional development 491 00:25:59,656 --> 00:26:03,956 and there's pretty strong research evidence to support that. 492 00:26:04,556 --> 00:26:09,546 It, the -- in fact, the relationship between, 493 00:26:09,546 --> 00:26:12,606 this is a different piece of research, but the relationship 494 00:26:12,606 --> 00:26:17,276 between a father and a child is not necessarily measured 495 00:26:17,276 --> 00:26:21,436 by whether the child goes to the father for security. 496 00:26:21,806 --> 00:26:24,896 Certainly in good relationships that happens. 497 00:26:25,066 --> 00:26:27,846 But, a better measure, better predictor of the relationship 498 00:26:27,846 --> 00:26:32,016 between a father and a child is how they play together. 499 00:26:32,216 --> 00:26:34,866 So, that's something that we want to encourage. 500 00:26:35,116 --> 00:26:37,116 And then the final bullet is well, 501 00:26:37,176 --> 00:26:39,466 it's good for a lot of other things too. 502 00:26:39,466 --> 00:26:45,426 When fathers are involved, when other men are involved in the lives 503 00:26:45,426 --> 00:26:49,386 of mother's children, then mothers can be better mothers. 504 00:26:49,506 --> 00:26:54,136 They can mother more effectively and some 505 00:26:54,136 --> 00:26:56,566 of that is economic, of course. 506 00:26:56,566 --> 00:27:00,486 Some of it is, as with any of us when we've got the support 507 00:27:00,486 --> 00:27:03,326 of another person, we can do our jobs better. 508 00:27:03,616 --> 00:27:07,226 Fathers themselves report that when they're involved 509 00:27:07,226 --> 00:27:10,456 with their children, when they're engaged with their children, 510 00:27:10,456 --> 00:27:12,456 they feel better about themselves. 511 00:27:12,456 --> 00:27:16,826 And that's almost self-explanatory and then society as a whole, 512 00:27:17,256 --> 00:27:19,786 people that are engaged in fathering and men who are engaged 513 00:27:19,786 --> 00:27:22,486 in fathering engage in less crime. 514 00:27:22,936 --> 00:27:25,246 They're more productive members of society 515 00:27:25,966 --> 00:27:29,356 and there's a number of outcomes. 516 00:27:29,716 --> 00:27:35,786 So, that's a lot of the research in a nutshell and I don't think 517 00:27:35,786 --> 00:27:39,816 that most people on this call need to be convinced of this in any way. 518 00:27:39,816 --> 00:27:43,126 But, it's nice to have some of these ideas so that we can kind 519 00:27:43,126 --> 00:27:46,366 of deepen our understanding of what the effect of fathers is 520 00:27:46,366 --> 00:27:48,946 and what the effect of being involved in children's lives 521 00:27:48,946 --> 00:27:50,946 and their programs is on fathers. 522 00:27:51,516 --> 00:27:56,706 [ Background Noise ] 523 00:27:57,206 --> 00:27:59,286 John: Oh. Yeah go ahead David, yeah. 524 00:27:59,706 --> 00:28:05,736 David: So, with this particular slide what we kind of wanted 525 00:28:06,046 --> 00:28:11,036 to do was to have our participants that have engaged in a little bit 526 00:28:11,036 --> 00:28:13,036 of interactive exercise. 527 00:28:13,036 --> 00:28:15,286 Sort of, if you can, if you're willing, 528 00:28:15,836 --> 00:28:19,506 take a look at this picture and then just type into the chat sort 529 00:28:19,956 --> 00:28:22,706 of what you see in this picture. 530 00:28:22,766 --> 00:28:28,066 We just kind of want to get a feel for sort of is there anything 531 00:28:28,066 --> 00:28:33,316 that strikes you as you're looking at this father and this child? 532 00:28:33,906 --> 00:28:36,816 So, if you could take a moment to type into it. 533 00:28:36,816 --> 00:28:39,246 I think we're going to use the public chat. 534 00:28:40,266 --> 00:28:43,786 So, type into the chat your sort of reactions 535 00:28:43,786 --> 00:28:45,786 when you see this picture. 536 00:28:45,786 --> 00:28:48,706 So, we'll take a few minutes to have you do that. 537 00:28:49,516 --> 00:29:04,716 [ Background Noise ] 538 00:29:05,216 --> 00:29:08,156 David: John, is there anything else you wanted to say while they're -- 539 00:29:08,296 --> 00:29:10,296 while we're waiting for someone maybe to type a -- 540 00:29:10,296 --> 00:29:12,886 John: Well, the picture is so compelling. 541 00:29:12,886 --> 00:29:17,006 I hate to distract people. 542 00:29:17,006 --> 00:29:21,416 But, I would -- if anything I've said about the research was -- 543 00:29:21,416 --> 00:29:26,536 struck you as gee I don't really -- I'd like to hear more about that, 544 00:29:26,536 --> 00:29:30,396 I would direct people to the guide because there's a section 545 00:29:30,396 --> 00:29:35,616 of the guide that kind of summarizes the research on fathers, 546 00:29:35,616 --> 00:29:40,356 in particular the contribution they make to children's development. 547 00:29:40,756 --> 00:29:48,446 David: Okay, well it doesn't look like we have any brave souls. 548 00:29:48,446 --> 00:29:50,446 Oh, whoa here we go. 549 00:29:50,446 --> 00:29:52,446 John: Okay. 550 00:29:52,446 --> 00:29:55,946 David: There is -- thank you so much Lada, a dear friend 551 00:29:55,946 --> 00:29:57,946 of mine, former colleague. 552 00:29:57,946 --> 00:29:59,946 Well, hopefully she still considers herself a colleague. 553 00:29:59,946 --> 00:30:04,426 John: She's -- she felt sorry felt for you and had to write something. 554 00:30:04,426 --> 00:30:06,426 David: I know, right. 555 00:30:06,426 --> 00:30:09,066 She sees a picture of the loving father with his child. 556 00:30:09,336 --> 00:30:11,336 John: Uh huh. 557 00:30:11,336 --> 00:30:13,336 David: Very interesting. 558 00:30:13,336 --> 00:30:16,216 Now, is there anyone else out there that sees something similar 559 00:30:16,296 --> 00:30:18,296 or something different that would be willing 560 00:30:18,296 --> 00:30:20,296 to share it with the group? 561 00:30:21,456 --> 00:30:23,456 We need one brave soul. 562 00:30:23,456 --> 00:30:26,146 Sam Gourlay: Actually this is Sam Gourlay [assumed spelling]. 563 00:30:26,146 --> 00:30:28,746 Unfortunately, we're having a little bit of an issue 564 00:30:28,746 --> 00:30:30,746 with public chat right now. 565 00:30:30,746 --> 00:30:33,736 So, there are a lot of people that are airing wonderful comments, 566 00:30:33,736 --> 00:30:35,736 but they're unable to get them into the public chat area. 567 00:30:35,736 --> 00:30:37,736 I apologize for this. 568 00:30:37,736 --> 00:30:39,736 John: Okay. 569 00:30:39,736 --> 00:30:41,736 David: Can you see them, Sam? 570 00:30:41,736 --> 00:30:43,736 Can you see them? 571 00:30:43,736 --> 00:30:45,736 Sam: Yeah. 572 00:30:45,736 --> 00:30:47,736 I'm going to try to relate them through the private chat. 573 00:30:47,736 --> 00:30:49,736 Thanking everyone for directing them to me. 574 00:30:49,736 --> 00:30:51,736 I'll try to push them in. 575 00:30:51,736 --> 00:30:53,736 David: Awesome, thank you. 576 00:30:53,736 --> 00:30:55,736 John: Great, great. 577 00:30:55,736 --> 00:30:57,736 Well maybe we can come back to that and move on with the slides. 578 00:30:57,736 --> 00:30:59,736 You want to do that David or? 579 00:30:59,736 --> 00:31:01,736 David: Yeah, that works. 580 00:31:01,736 --> 00:30:58,000 John: Yeah. 581 00:31:04,496 --> 00:31:11,026 David: So, in this slide it's going to be an opportunity for Ed, 582 00:31:11,436 --> 00:31:13,856 John and myself to kind of weigh in a little bit. 583 00:31:14,696 --> 00:31:16,696 John: Yeah. 584 00:31:16,696 --> 00:31:19,346 David: I particularly like this slide because it is illustrative 585 00:31:20,046 --> 00:31:23,126 of our expanding definition of the father's role. 586 00:31:23,806 --> 00:31:26,826 We've completely moved away from men thinking of themselves 587 00:31:27,386 --> 00:31:29,386 as solely financial providers. 588 00:31:29,646 --> 00:31:32,926 Each of these roles have specific meanings 589 00:31:32,926 --> 00:31:37,626 to fathers given their past experiences, where they are 590 00:31:37,626 --> 00:31:41,696 in their current lives, where they are going 591 00:31:41,696 --> 00:31:43,696 and of course their maturity level. 592 00:31:43,696 --> 00:31:46,536 And I'll just start with one of them and give John 593 00:31:46,536 --> 00:31:48,536 and Ed an opportunity to chime in. 594 00:31:48,846 --> 00:31:53,496 Advocating, you know, to me, advocating is what should you learn 595 00:31:53,496 --> 00:31:55,496 that you're an advocate for your child. 596 00:31:55,496 --> 00:32:00,986 It's one of those now and forever roles, so John. 597 00:32:01,746 --> 00:32:06,696 John: Yeah, you know it's funny, David, when you picked 598 00:32:06,696 --> 00:32:10,176 on the advocate role because you immediately brought me back 599 00:32:10,176 --> 00:32:12,176 to when my daughter was born and she was 600 00:32:12,966 --> 00:32:15,076 in the neonatal intensive care unit. 601 00:32:15,706 --> 00:32:19,996 And my job as a father at that time was to advocate 602 00:32:19,996 --> 00:32:21,996 for the wellbeing of my child. 603 00:32:21,996 --> 00:32:26,196 You know it was to deal with this healthcare system 604 00:32:26,196 --> 00:32:29,406 that I didn't understand and was really angry at. 605 00:32:30,036 --> 00:32:34,056 And so, you know there's that, there was the nurturer part 606 00:32:34,056 --> 00:32:36,606 of that, the protector part of that, but there was also, 607 00:32:36,606 --> 00:32:38,866 like I had to advocate for my child. 608 00:32:38,866 --> 00:32:43,046 I had to know something, and so I appreciate you starting 609 00:32:43,046 --> 00:32:45,046 with that one. 610 00:32:45,046 --> 00:32:47,476 The one that I pick up on is this friend-playmate 611 00:32:47,476 --> 00:32:50,946 because that's a very complex one. 612 00:32:51,666 --> 00:32:56,756 You know we tell fathers "well, 613 00:32:56,756 --> 00:32:59,866 if you want to be the disciplinarian you can't be your 614 00:32:59,906 --> 00:33:01,906 child's friend. 615 00:33:01,906 --> 00:33:03,906 You got to be the father. 616 00:33:03,906 --> 00:33:06,136 You got to be the discipline, the person that provides discipline." 617 00:33:06,136 --> 00:33:11,166 At the same time, you know, there's a slash playmate and we know 618 00:33:11,166 --> 00:33:14,426 that in the relationships between fathers 619 00:33:14,546 --> 00:33:17,866 and their children is often a very playful relationship 620 00:33:18,166 --> 00:33:21,126 in that the child, as early childhood people we know, 621 00:33:21,566 --> 00:33:24,726 the child learns through the process of play. 622 00:33:25,126 --> 00:33:29,576 So, I think that that one is, that one's got a lot of complexity 623 00:33:29,576 --> 00:33:36,106 to it, but it's one that we know kind of fathers connect with. 624 00:33:36,516 --> 00:33:39,476 So, that's my two cents on that one. 625 00:33:39,566 --> 00:33:41,566 David: Awesome, Ed. 626 00:33:41,566 --> 00:33:43,566 Edwin: Yeah I'm here. 627 00:33:43,566 --> 00:33:45,566 I would -- we had just talked about this earlier, 628 00:33:45,566 --> 00:33:47,606 and I was just talking to one of the fathers here that, 629 00:33:47,606 --> 00:33:50,236 or actually a grandfather, about some of these things. 630 00:33:50,236 --> 00:33:52,626 And we -- you know, a lot of it has to deal with for us, 631 00:33:52,776 --> 00:33:55,546 from a native side, is our core values. 632 00:33:55,996 --> 00:33:59,206 You know, again, you know, building strength on the -- 633 00:33:59,636 --> 00:34:04,346 where we incorporate culture, ceremony, traditions and healing 634 00:34:04,346 --> 00:34:07,556 and of course humor is a big part of you know native men 635 00:34:07,556 --> 00:34:09,556 and of course all men in general. 636 00:34:09,686 --> 00:34:11,846 And that -- we are hoping that was going -- 637 00:34:12,025 --> 00:34:15,085 some of the teaching that we do through spiritual guidance is 638 00:34:15,085 --> 00:34:20,386 that it help us, you know, increase and strengthen family preservation. 639 00:34:20,386 --> 00:34:22,906 And that's what we're all kind of looking for is offering 640 00:34:22,906 --> 00:34:25,966 that family preservation and for our children to continue 641 00:34:25,966 --> 00:34:28,916 to offer those teachings as they become parents later on, 642 00:34:29,396 --> 00:34:31,406 role modeling some of those things especially. 643 00:34:31,666 --> 00:34:35,315 Again, you know a lot of it is creating a safe place 644 00:34:35,315 --> 00:34:39,505 for men you know to come and talk about these types of things. 645 00:34:39,505 --> 00:34:42,315 And a lot of it sometimes doesn't always take place 646 00:34:42,315 --> 00:34:44,636 in a [Inaudible] setting, but a lot of it also takes part 647 00:34:44,636 --> 00:34:47,426 at our fatherhood program here at Laguna. 648 00:34:47,426 --> 00:34:51,366 Again, it's again all about strengthening, you know, 649 00:34:51,426 --> 00:34:53,426 family relationships, family involvement 650 00:34:53,426 --> 00:34:55,596 and just being a responsible father 651 00:34:56,025 --> 00:34:58,146 that again goes back to the preservation. 652 00:34:59,016 --> 00:35:01,016 David: Okay. 653 00:35:01,016 --> 00:35:03,016 Edwin: You know those are just some of the things that we had talked 654 00:35:03,016 --> 00:35:05,016 about earlier, so -- John: Yeah. 655 00:35:05,016 --> 00:35:09,676 The other day, Ed, you also said something about how in Laguna 656 00:35:09,736 --> 00:35:14,636 that the -- that men transmit certain things culturally 657 00:35:14,636 --> 00:35:16,996 to the kids as the educator in a sense. 658 00:35:17,756 --> 00:35:21,856 Edwin: Right, right and that's -- a lot of the cultural teachings come 659 00:35:21,856 --> 00:35:23,856 in from the [inaudible] side. 660 00:35:23,856 --> 00:35:27,706 It also includes planting because the planting doesn't only include 661 00:35:27,706 --> 00:35:30,306 just planting of a seed in the ground, but it also -- 662 00:35:30,536 --> 00:35:32,536 there's a cultural teaching behind 663 00:35:32,536 --> 00:35:35,516 that where you're planting other knowledge into a child 664 00:35:35,516 --> 00:35:37,516 and you know planting those important roles 665 00:35:37,536 --> 00:35:39,906 that they will be facing as they become adults. 666 00:35:39,906 --> 00:35:41,906 So, those are some of the things that growing and nurturing 667 00:35:41,906 --> 00:35:43,906 of those particular things. 668 00:35:43,906 --> 00:35:45,906 John: Wow, right. 669 00:35:45,906 --> 00:35:48,336 David: You know, and John I was thinking a little bit too 670 00:35:48,336 --> 00:35:51,016 about what you said you know with your daughter. 671 00:35:51,166 --> 00:35:55,026 And I think one of the things that we don't always acknowledge 672 00:35:55,026 --> 00:35:57,196 or allow ourselves to sort of appreciate 673 00:35:57,406 --> 00:36:02,176 in men is they are afraid, that they're scared. 674 00:36:02,706 --> 00:36:05,466 They're scared of embracing the fatherhood role. 675 00:36:05,666 --> 00:36:07,666 John: Yeah. 676 00:36:07,666 --> 00:36:10,626 David: Embracing sort of the expanding definition of their role, 677 00:36:11,216 --> 00:36:13,416 and also afraid of negotiating systems. 678 00:36:13,416 --> 00:36:16,866 I can't even imagine what it must be, feel like to have a daughter 679 00:36:16,866 --> 00:36:18,986 in a neonatal intensive care unit and have 680 00:36:18,986 --> 00:36:21,356 to negotiate you know all these professionals. 681 00:36:21,356 --> 00:36:26,786 And we, you know, as humans we tend to rely on professionals 682 00:36:26,786 --> 00:36:30,096 to make important decisions that impact our lives for us 683 00:36:30,096 --> 00:36:32,266 because we trust that they have a particular expertise. 684 00:36:32,936 --> 00:36:35,526 So, I think that as we continue to expand our understanding 685 00:36:35,526 --> 00:36:39,986 of how we need to be thinking about working with fathers it's okay, 686 00:36:39,986 --> 00:36:43,116 it's important for us to realize rather that they do become afraid. 687 00:36:43,116 --> 00:36:46,696 They are challenged by fulfilling all the multiple roles 688 00:36:46,726 --> 00:36:50,056 that we're asking them to fulfill and that these fears are very real 689 00:36:50,056 --> 00:36:52,226 for them, and they have to acknowledged and supported. 690 00:36:52,276 --> 00:36:54,276 John: Yeah that's great David. 691 00:36:54,276 --> 00:36:57,086 I mean you're right on. 692 00:36:57,086 --> 00:37:01,126 And I think that of course when you're talking about fear in men 693 00:37:02,096 --> 00:37:05,776 and society you know we don't like to show it. 694 00:37:05,776 --> 00:37:07,776 David: Right. 695 00:37:07,776 --> 00:37:10,166 John: Right, we don't necessarily like to show our fears, 696 00:37:10,166 --> 00:37:12,926 but probably if you ask most men who happen 697 00:37:12,926 --> 00:37:16,676 to be fathers too what their greatest fear is they're not going 698 00:37:16,676 --> 00:37:18,676 to say their own safety. 699 00:37:18,676 --> 00:37:20,676 They're going to say fear for their child. 700 00:37:20,696 --> 00:37:22,696 David: Right. 701 00:37:22,696 --> 00:37:24,696 John: Which is probably very in common with women. 702 00:37:24,976 --> 00:37:30,776 But, its -- and, but do men actually reveal their fears 703 00:37:30,776 --> 00:37:32,776 in the same way? 704 00:37:32,776 --> 00:37:34,776 Do they talk about them? 705 00:37:34,776 --> 00:37:39,136 And I think that's real [Inaudible] when you -- 706 00:37:39,136 --> 00:37:45,026 when a father actually will say, you know, that I'm afraid 707 00:37:45,026 --> 00:37:48,446 that my child isn't going to succeed in school, 708 00:37:48,446 --> 00:37:51,826 or my child isn't going to be accepted by peers, 709 00:37:51,826 --> 00:37:56,686 or whatever the issue is, then you're dealing with a passion 710 00:37:56,686 --> 00:37:58,686 that makes him a father. 711 00:37:58,686 --> 00:38:01,256 Then you're nurturing the nurturer when you can listen 712 00:38:01,256 --> 00:38:03,256 to that and support that man. 713 00:38:03,306 --> 00:38:06,736 But, if you're at the place where a father is sharing some 714 00:38:06,736 --> 00:38:13,096 of those fears with you in a way that's comfortable then I think 715 00:38:13,096 --> 00:38:15,706 you've made real progress in your relationship 716 00:38:15,706 --> 00:38:17,706 with that father, for sure. 717 00:38:17,706 --> 00:38:19,706 David: That is a really important point. 718 00:38:19,706 --> 00:38:21,816 Alright, so I think we had a few comments. 719 00:38:21,816 --> 00:38:24,466 We're going to move back really quickly -- John: Okay. 720 00:38:24,466 --> 00:38:26,466 David: To the previous slide. 721 00:38:26,466 --> 00:38:29,106 And I just want to share what's interesting -- 722 00:38:29,106 --> 00:38:32,666 Lada sort of kicked this off and she's obviously female. 723 00:38:33,236 --> 00:38:38,126 But, then we had three men comment and the comments were: 724 00:38:38,546 --> 00:38:42,136 wanting to stay connected; a father wanting to stay connected 725 00:38:42,136 --> 00:38:46,726 to his child; the importance of the skin to skin contact between father 726 00:38:46,726 --> 00:38:50,826 and child; and a man showing gentle love and care. 727 00:38:51,436 --> 00:38:53,436 John: Yeah. 728 00:38:53,436 --> 00:38:55,436 David: All very positive, which is great. 729 00:38:55,436 --> 00:38:57,436 John: Yeah. 730 00:38:57,436 --> 00:38:59,436 David: So, I think we've done a good job of sort 731 00:38:59,436 --> 00:39:01,436 of getting people excited and getting them 732 00:39:01,436 --> 00:39:03,436 to celebrate what we're doing 733 00:39:03,436 --> 00:39:05,436 and having them feel really positively about fatherhood. 734 00:39:05,436 --> 00:39:09,396 When Kiersten and I recently showed this slide and sort of used it 735 00:39:10,026 --> 00:39:12,026 as part of our presentation 736 00:39:12,026 --> 00:39:16,856 in the Leadership Institute there was some different perceptions 737 00:39:16,976 --> 00:39:19,126 that came from a predominately female audience, 738 00:39:19,126 --> 00:39:21,126 which was really interesting. 739 00:39:21,126 --> 00:39:26,316 For the most part participants were supportive and they were able 740 00:39:26,316 --> 00:39:28,326 to actually look at the strength in the picture. 741 00:39:28,946 --> 00:39:34,036 But, then some of the participants seemed like the father looked 742 00:39:34,136 --> 00:39:36,396 like he was uncomfortable. 743 00:39:36,676 --> 00:39:38,676 He didn't really know what he was doing. 744 00:39:38,866 --> 00:39:42,476 The baby's face looks like it's a little crunched 745 00:39:42,476 --> 00:39:44,476 up in between his shoulder. 746 00:39:44,476 --> 00:39:46,476 The baby looked uncomfortable. 747 00:39:46,476 --> 00:39:48,476 I mean they took it to some really interesting places 748 00:39:48,476 --> 00:39:50,686 and it was almost as if they wanted to take the baby out of 749 00:39:50,686 --> 00:39:55,086 that father's hands, which was really interesting to us. 750 00:39:55,686 --> 00:39:59,886 And a question for -- from us to the group would be, 751 00:40:00,386 --> 00:40:03,446 how would you help this father build upon what we see 752 00:40:03,446 --> 00:40:05,736 in the photo that is a strength? 753 00:40:05,736 --> 00:40:08,166 And if there are some things that now that you're looking at it 754 00:40:08,206 --> 00:40:11,626 from a different lens that you would want to sort of change 755 00:40:11,626 --> 00:40:13,966 or provide some support and guidance around. 756 00:40:14,496 --> 00:40:17,106 What might be the first thing that you would say to this guy? 757 00:40:17,956 --> 00:40:19,956 That's rhetorical. 758 00:40:19,956 --> 00:40:21,956 I'm not expecting you to answer. 759 00:40:21,956 --> 00:40:23,956 But, John you want to weigh in? 760 00:40:23,956 --> 00:40:27,056 John: Yeah, I think -- I mean any picture of a man 761 00:40:27,056 --> 00:40:32,006 or a woman holding a child evokes a pretty strong kind 762 00:40:32,006 --> 00:40:34,446 of just below the surface responses. 763 00:40:34,916 --> 00:40:40,676 And I mean you see a baby and you want to hold the baby. 764 00:40:40,906 --> 00:40:44,806 I see babies in supermarkets, and I try to steal them all the time. 765 00:40:44,896 --> 00:40:47,316 I mean it's like it's -- there is a response. 766 00:40:47,316 --> 00:40:50,596 There's a very -- and I guess if you had a response 767 00:40:50,596 --> 00:40:55,486 and you didn't even put it down on paper, or the computer I guess now, 768 00:40:55,876 --> 00:40:59,486 is oh -- I would try to understand 769 00:40:59,486 --> 00:41:02,206 that response before doing anything, you know, 770 00:41:02,206 --> 00:41:04,206 or as you're doing something. 771 00:41:04,206 --> 00:41:06,656 But, certainly I like, David, what you're saying, 772 00:41:06,656 --> 00:41:12,476 so yea there's plenty that you can see in this picture to work from. 773 00:41:13,006 --> 00:41:16,806 And yeah, I -- actually I immediately go 774 00:41:16,806 --> 00:41:19,156 to what you're asking. 775 00:41:19,156 --> 00:41:22,146 It's like well, how would you start making a relationship 776 00:41:22,146 --> 00:41:24,326 with his father based on what you see right here? 777 00:41:24,716 --> 00:41:26,716 >> Uh huh. 778 00:41:26,716 --> 00:41:28,716 >> Yeah. David: And, you know, 779 00:41:28,716 --> 00:41:30,826 I mean it's like just really simple basic questions that's going 780 00:41:30,826 --> 00:41:34,116 to give you some insight into where this father is at. 781 00:41:34,536 --> 00:41:36,536 What's important to him? 782 00:41:36,536 --> 00:41:38,536 How he might be thinking in that moment? 783 00:41:38,536 --> 00:41:40,536 You know, how does this feel for you? 784 00:41:40,536 --> 00:41:44,096 What are you thinking when you hold your child so close in this way? 785 00:41:44,466 --> 00:41:46,696 Is there a particular reason why you hold him that way 786 00:41:46,696 --> 00:41:48,696 because it could be cultural? 787 00:41:48,696 --> 00:41:51,846 But, those are points, questions that will then begin 788 00:41:51,916 --> 00:41:55,416 to generate some really significant conversations with that father. 789 00:41:56,236 --> 00:41:58,236 John: Yeah, yeah, great. 790 00:41:58,236 --> 00:42:01,126 David: So, we're going to move and John 791 00:42:01,196 --> 00:42:03,196 as you -- John: Oh, look at this. 792 00:42:03,196 --> 00:42:05,196 Look at this. 793 00:42:05,196 --> 00:42:07,196 That's good. 794 00:42:07,196 --> 00:42:09,196 I've seen this before. 795 00:42:09,196 --> 00:42:11,196 This is the Parent, Family, and Community Engagement Framework, 796 00:42:11,196 --> 00:42:13,196 and I assume that many of you 797 00:42:13,196 --> 00:42:16,086 on the webinar have seen this very colorful graphic. 798 00:42:16,626 --> 00:42:21,576 I think it's -- I actually really like this Framework. 799 00:42:21,576 --> 00:42:25,736 I think it puts together exactly what it says that parent 800 00:42:25,736 --> 00:42:28,126 and family engagement, and you could -- 801 00:42:28,256 --> 00:42:30,666 instead of parent and family, you could put father 802 00:42:30,666 --> 00:42:32,666 in there, not without family. 803 00:42:32,966 --> 00:42:36,056 Not without the parent, but you could put father 804 00:42:36,546 --> 00:42:39,656 and it would all still apply. 805 00:42:39,656 --> 00:42:44,136 So, when father engagements are systematic and integrated 806 00:42:44,136 --> 00:42:46,816 across program foundations and impact areas, 807 00:42:46,816 --> 00:42:49,196 family outcomes are achieved. 808 00:42:49,426 --> 00:42:52,796 So, and then hence you're working on child outcomes. 809 00:42:53,216 --> 00:42:55,216 But, this progression is interesting. 810 00:42:55,216 --> 00:42:57,216 And I almost like to think of this as, 811 00:42:57,216 --> 00:43:00,696 so the program foundations they're like the nervous system. 812 00:43:00,696 --> 00:43:02,696 They're the brain. 813 00:43:02,696 --> 00:43:07,206 They're the thing that sends messages to the whole body, right? 814 00:43:07,206 --> 00:43:10,616 So, the program leadership is like yes, we believe in it. 815 00:43:10,766 --> 00:43:15,806 My brain believes in father engagement. 816 00:43:15,926 --> 00:43:19,536 I actually reflect on my own relationship with my father, 817 00:43:19,536 --> 00:43:22,246 and I want to make it a priority for this program 818 00:43:22,246 --> 00:43:24,846 and these are the ways I'm going to support everybody. 819 00:43:25,266 --> 00:43:27,996 And that -- part of the point here is that everybody 820 00:43:28,306 --> 00:43:31,946 in the system is engaging with fathers, 821 00:43:31,946 --> 00:43:34,916 the same for continuous improvement and professional development. 822 00:43:34,916 --> 00:43:36,916 They're kind of like -- these are the things, 823 00:43:36,916 --> 00:43:38,916 these are the foundations. 824 00:43:38,916 --> 00:43:40,916 These are what makes a whole system work. 825 00:43:40,916 --> 00:43:43,616 Kind of see the program environment that -- 826 00:43:43,616 --> 00:43:46,406 the impact areas as kind of the muscles 827 00:43:46,406 --> 00:43:48,996 and the organs of the organism, right? 828 00:43:48,996 --> 00:43:51,536 You know, these are things that get things done. 829 00:43:51,536 --> 00:43:58,116 The partnerships with families, with fathers are 830 00:43:58,116 --> 00:44:00,116 where we get things done. 831 00:44:00,116 --> 00:44:03,696 The teaching and learning, the partnerships with other agencies 832 00:44:03,696 --> 00:44:06,506 and certainly creating a welcoming environment 833 00:44:06,506 --> 00:44:10,466 for fathers is a large piece of what we need 834 00:44:10,466 --> 00:44:12,536 to do to send that message. 835 00:44:12,946 --> 00:44:18,176 But, if you notice along the top, the arrow, positive 836 00:44:18,176 --> 00:44:20,186 and goal oriented relationships. 837 00:44:20,186 --> 00:44:22,786 Well, I see that as the blood in the system. 838 00:44:22,786 --> 00:44:24,786 That's the circulatory system. 839 00:44:24,786 --> 00:44:27,406 That's what keeps everything refreshed and going. 840 00:44:28,186 --> 00:44:30,496 Maybe the metaphor doesn't work that well. 841 00:44:30,496 --> 00:44:32,496 I don't know. 842 00:44:32,496 --> 00:44:35,176 But, the -- I don't want to neglect that arrow at the top 843 00:44:35,266 --> 00:44:39,306 because for all these pieces to work together, for this body 844 00:44:39,646 --> 00:44:43,896 to work together, we've got to reflect on our relationships 845 00:44:43,896 --> 00:44:47,126 with men who have their children in our program. 846 00:44:48,526 --> 00:44:52,016 That we have to keep that blood flowing 847 00:44:52,316 --> 00:44:57,356 by constantly giving it oxygen, by refreshing it, 848 00:44:57,356 --> 00:44:59,916 and that is through our relationships 849 00:44:59,916 --> 00:45:02,546 with these fathers whether it's at the drop off, 850 00:45:03,006 --> 00:45:07,176 whether it's in -- at a picnic. 851 00:45:07,176 --> 00:45:12,706 Whether it's sending a document home or calling home. 852 00:45:13,006 --> 00:45:15,826 Whether -- you know in so many ways -- 853 00:45:15,826 --> 00:45:17,826 Ed did you want to say something? 854 00:45:17,826 --> 00:45:19,826 Was that -- I just heard somebody's voice. 855 00:45:20,126 --> 00:45:24,786 Okay, so-- Edwin: No John I was muted there, sorry. 856 00:45:25,366 --> 00:45:27,366 John: Okay. 857 00:45:27,366 --> 00:45:30,496 So, in any case, I think in every one of these elements 858 00:45:30,496 --> 00:45:34,816 and the outcomes you can see specific kind of things 859 00:45:34,816 --> 00:45:41,506 that we can do with fathers, family wellbeing as an outcome area. 860 00:45:41,836 --> 00:45:47,026 Well, one of the things that I think I've seen in programs 861 00:45:47,026 --> 00:45:51,176 that do very well with fathers is that they acknowledge 862 00:45:51,176 --> 00:45:56,346 that these men also need to feel good as men in our society 863 00:45:56,346 --> 00:45:58,346 if they're going to do a good job as fathers. 864 00:45:58,906 --> 00:46:03,146 So, and we talked about this the other day when we were planning 865 00:46:03,146 --> 00:46:05,146 that this is an important piece too. 866 00:46:05,146 --> 00:46:10,306 It doesn't just mean that we scrutinize fathers and expect them 867 00:46:10,306 --> 00:46:12,306 to be nurturant and play with their children. 868 00:46:12,566 --> 00:46:15,276 But, we also want them to be supported 869 00:46:15,336 --> 00:46:19,946 in who they are themselves and how they feel about themselves 870 00:46:20,736 --> 00:46:24,436 as competent human beings in this society. 871 00:46:24,666 --> 00:46:27,426 So -- Edwin: So -- John: Yeah, go ahead Ed, yeah. 872 00:46:27,766 --> 00:46:30,856 Edwin: Yeah, again just talking about the program leadership, 873 00:46:30,856 --> 00:46:32,856 the continuous program improve -- 874 00:46:32,856 --> 00:46:35,286 all the things that you have up there. 875 00:46:35,286 --> 00:46:38,446 I think that's where we're at right now with supporting the fathers 876 00:46:38,446 --> 00:46:41,696 in those things because, you know, again, the more you're -- 877 00:46:41,836 --> 00:46:44,736 again it goes back into our core values of what we just talked 878 00:46:44,736 --> 00:46:47,526 about the strengths, to build upon those strengths too 879 00:46:47,856 --> 00:46:49,856 for family preservation. 880 00:46:50,236 --> 00:46:52,926 Right now within our process, again, 881 00:46:53,196 --> 00:46:55,196 since we've had this fatherhood initiative, 882 00:46:55,336 --> 00:46:57,906 but we've had some challenges, but still yet we're -- 883 00:46:57,946 --> 00:47:01,316 I think the most important thing is to try to make sure 884 00:47:01,316 --> 00:47:06,936 that we encourage fathers to come in and be a part of their -- 885 00:47:06,936 --> 00:47:11,206 the whole cycle for the educational piece, school readiness. 886 00:47:11,206 --> 00:47:13,206 John: Uh huh. 887 00:47:13,206 --> 00:47:15,206 Edwin: You know, again, we do that through -- 888 00:47:15,206 --> 00:47:17,686 we have a lot of dads now that are coming to program, 889 00:47:18,136 --> 00:47:20,496 I don't know what they have to do with the fatherhood program, 890 00:47:20,496 --> 00:47:23,926 but I think it's just making more making the men feel more 891 00:47:23,926 --> 00:47:27,496 comfortable and setting -- by setting goals that they're able 892 00:47:27,496 --> 00:47:31,146 to you know come up with the family priority goal worksheet 893 00:47:31,186 --> 00:47:33,186 screening tools. 894 00:47:33,186 --> 00:47:35,966 And again, very involved in ISSP or IEPs, you know? 895 00:47:36,186 --> 00:47:38,646 Involving parents in those things make them comfortable 896 00:47:38,646 --> 00:47:41,416 and help them engage, I guess, 897 00:47:41,416 --> 00:47:43,636 more so in their child's readiness for school. 898 00:47:43,906 --> 00:47:45,906 So, I just wanted to interject that. 899 00:47:45,916 --> 00:47:48,336 John: Yeah, that's great Ed. 900 00:47:48,336 --> 00:47:53,766 When I was out in Laguna this last year we were looking 901 00:47:53,766 --> 00:47:56,036 at the transition to school and you -- 902 00:47:56,036 --> 00:48:00,286 there was an event in which the kindergarten teachers came 903 00:48:00,286 --> 00:48:03,026 to the program and each was in a different classroom 904 00:48:03,026 --> 00:48:05,176 because there's a number of elementary schools. 905 00:48:06,326 --> 00:48:10,316 And what was -- one of the things that was really striking 906 00:48:10,566 --> 00:48:15,666 about that was I think there were just as many men there as women. 907 00:48:16,066 --> 00:48:18,976 I could be wrong. 908 00:48:19,096 --> 00:48:21,096 You know, I could be primed to look for that, 909 00:48:21,236 --> 00:48:25,966 but I felt that there were a lot of men engaged, just as engaged, 910 00:48:26,296 --> 00:48:30,136 having just as many conversations with these kindergarten teachers. 911 00:48:30,666 --> 00:48:34,756 And it was great to see, but it was -- 912 00:48:34,946 --> 00:48:38,836 I mean you didn't have to look for it. 913 00:48:39,156 --> 00:48:41,156 It was there. 914 00:48:41,156 --> 00:48:43,156 It seemed very equitable. 915 00:48:43,156 --> 00:48:45,156 David: Okay. 916 00:48:45,156 --> 00:48:47,156 So, John we need to move on to the -- John: Okay, sorry, yeah, yeah. 917 00:48:47,156 --> 00:48:49,156 David: That's okay. 918 00:48:49,156 --> 00:48:51,316 John: So, a polling question. 919 00:48:51,646 --> 00:48:53,646 David: Uh huh. 920 00:48:53,646 --> 00:48:55,646 John: Okay. 921 00:48:55,646 --> 00:48:57,646 I need to see it. 922 00:48:57,646 --> 00:48:59,646 Let's see. 923 00:48:59,646 --> 00:49:01,646 David Jones: And yeah, Natalie's going to load it. 924 00:49:01,646 --> 00:49:02,000 John: Okay. 925 00:49:04,146 --> 00:49:07,076 [ Background Noise ] 926 00:49:07,576 --> 00:49:09,576 John: Right. 927 00:49:11,076 --> 00:49:13,076 When thinking about -- David: Hey John -- 928 00:49:13,076 --> 00:49:15,076 John: Do you want me to read it? 929 00:49:15,076 --> 00:49:17,076 David: Yes, yes. 930 00:49:17,076 --> 00:49:19,076 John: Yeah, yeah. 931 00:49:19,076 --> 00:49:21,076 When thinking about father engagement that is systemic, 932 00:49:21,076 --> 00:49:25,736 integrated and comprehensive I would say our program is beginning, 933 00:49:25,736 --> 00:49:30,316 progressing, thriving and innovating, or stuck. 934 00:49:31,386 --> 00:49:33,886 And go ahead and answer the question. 935 00:49:34,516 --> 00:50:35,576 [ Background Noise ] 936 00:50:36,076 --> 00:50:41,796 David: So, can we see the results? 937 00:50:41,796 --> 00:50:45,906 John: Oh, there they are just as you asked. 938 00:50:45,936 --> 00:50:47,936 Isn't that interesting? 939 00:50:47,936 --> 00:50:49,936 David: Um hmm hmm. 940 00:50:49,936 --> 00:50:54,296 John: What's that mean David, that umm hmm hmm? 941 00:50:54,366 --> 00:50:57,476 But, 29 percent progressing, that's great. 942 00:50:57,506 --> 00:50:59,506 David: That is really great. 943 00:50:59,506 --> 00:51:01,506 John: Yeah, yeah. 944 00:51:01,506 --> 00:51:04,156 David: And we have five percent that are thriving and innovating. 945 00:51:04,466 --> 00:51:06,466 John: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 946 00:51:06,696 --> 00:51:11,766 David: What's going to be really important post this webinar is 947 00:51:11,766 --> 00:51:13,906 that any of you out there who feel 948 00:51:13,906 --> 00:51:19,556 that you are stuck please do not hesitate to reach out to us. 949 00:51:20,376 --> 00:51:22,616 If there's any way that we're going to be able to provide some support 950 00:51:22,616 --> 00:51:24,616 and guidance for you that is one 951 00:51:24,616 --> 00:51:26,616 of the main reasons why we're doing this webinar. 952 00:51:26,616 --> 00:51:29,586 For those of you that are beginning, kudos. 953 00:51:30,166 --> 00:51:34,196 We hope that you're moving forward in a really nice way and, you know, 954 00:51:34,196 --> 00:51:38,076 you move onto a place where you're progressing 955 00:51:38,076 --> 00:51:40,076 and you're thriving and innovating. 956 00:51:40,076 --> 00:51:43,116 But again, for all of you at any stage of your evolution, 957 00:51:43,116 --> 00:51:46,996 if there's some way in which we can be supportive once you've looked 958 00:51:46,996 --> 00:51:49,666 in at the resources that we're launching this week 959 00:51:50,326 --> 00:51:54,666 and you have questions about them please reach out to us. 960 00:51:55,516 --> 00:51:57,806 That's why we're here. 961 00:51:57,806 --> 00:51:59,806 Natalie, thank you. 962 00:51:59,806 --> 00:52:04,726 John. John: Yeah, I actually mentioned some 963 00:52:04,726 --> 00:52:11,266 of these things earlier that the foundations are essential here, 964 00:52:11,376 --> 00:52:14,936 and I think the question that we just looked at is basically 965 00:52:14,936 --> 00:52:16,936 about continuous improvement. 966 00:52:16,936 --> 00:52:21,966 So, where are you in relation to engaging fathers? 967 00:52:22,366 --> 00:52:28,556 I mentioned that there's a lot that can be done in the leadership 968 00:52:28,766 --> 00:52:31,436 of a program to support. 969 00:52:31,436 --> 00:52:33,976 I mean, if we go back to the framework, we're thinking 970 00:52:33,976 --> 00:52:36,386 of a systemic and integrated thing. 971 00:52:36,386 --> 00:52:41,746 Well, that whole idea of a dynamic system, an organization 972 00:52:41,746 --> 00:52:47,386 as a system, the leadership within the system needs to be fully behind 973 00:52:47,386 --> 00:52:50,076 that and engage with that. 974 00:52:50,126 --> 00:52:54,586 So, that's an important component of it. 975 00:52:54,846 --> 00:52:58,806 My experience with this is that often the programs 976 00:52:58,806 --> 00:53:03,346 that are thriving in relation to this -- well first of all, 977 00:53:03,516 --> 00:53:05,516 they almost always say -- 978 00:53:05,516 --> 00:53:08,746 the leadership almost always says we still have a ways to go. 979 00:53:09,176 --> 00:53:14,416 But then, I also find that there really is a personal commitment 980 00:53:14,416 --> 00:53:20,836 on the part of the director or the manager toward work with fathers. 981 00:53:21,146 --> 00:53:26,086 And I'm not saying everybody has to make that their sole 982 00:53:26,086 --> 00:53:29,696 and primary mission, but I think that when -- 983 00:53:29,696 --> 00:53:33,486 what I found is that there's often for the programs 984 00:53:33,486 --> 00:53:36,626 that are thriving a real passion in the leadership for this. 985 00:53:36,626 --> 00:53:40,766 The continuous improvement, going back to that, is -- 986 00:53:41,216 --> 00:53:45,306 this is part of this whole idea of having a framework 987 00:53:45,306 --> 00:53:49,156 and having a webinar like this and having the guide is 988 00:53:49,156 --> 00:53:51,526 that we can be intentional about what we do. 989 00:53:51,846 --> 00:53:56,216 We may feel that we're doing very good work with fathers, 990 00:53:56,456 --> 00:54:00,386 but when you're doing it in a systemic way and an integrated 991 00:54:00,386 --> 00:54:03,446 and comprehensive way that means you're doing it intentionally 992 00:54:03,446 --> 00:54:05,446 as well. 993 00:54:05,446 --> 00:54:09,106 And so, that's when -- so yeah, where were we five years ago? 994 00:54:09,106 --> 00:54:11,106 Where are we now? 995 00:54:11,106 --> 00:54:13,106 And where are we going? 996 00:54:13,106 --> 00:54:15,106 What steps do we need to take to get there? 997 00:54:15,106 --> 00:54:17,106 David: Awesome. 998 00:54:17,106 --> 00:54:19,106 John: Yeah. 999 00:54:19,106 --> 00:54:21,106 David: So, this next slide sort of builds upon 1000 00:54:21,106 --> 00:54:23,106 and expands upon the last part of that previous slide, 1001 00:54:23,106 --> 00:54:25,106 the sort of professional development piece. 1002 00:54:25,106 --> 00:54:27,806 Not to negate, sort of, the men in the audience or in the rooms, 1003 00:54:28,096 --> 00:54:31,986 but I want to speak sort of directly to the women in the room. 1004 00:54:32,616 --> 00:54:35,516 And then, before I continue, remember I was the one 1005 00:54:36,006 --> 00:54:39,596 who said how instrumental women have been in contributing 1006 00:54:39,596 --> 00:54:42,336 to the success of the fatherhood movement. 1007 00:54:42,876 --> 00:54:44,876 So, now you know I'm getting ready to be a little -- 1008 00:54:44,876 --> 00:54:46,876 John: Yeah, but -- 1009 00:54:46,876 --> 00:54:50,106 David: Professional development is so tricky. 1010 00:54:50,106 --> 00:54:52,106 I can't tell you. 1011 00:54:52,106 --> 00:54:54,106 I've spent so much time, energy and effort as a director, 1012 00:54:54,846 --> 00:54:59,126 supporting directors, supporting programs around getting 1013 00:54:59,126 --> 00:55:01,686 to this piece of, if you're really going to do this work 1014 00:55:01,686 --> 00:55:04,036 in a way that's systemic, integrated and comprehensive, 1015 00:55:04,356 --> 00:55:08,166 it begins with the leadership understanding that there has 1016 00:55:08,236 --> 00:55:10,236 to be this continuous improvement process. 1017 00:55:10,476 --> 00:55:13,086 But it is grounded and it begins with professional development. 1018 00:55:14,146 --> 00:55:17,686 So, this can be a really hard conversation to have in programs 1019 00:55:17,686 --> 00:55:22,226 because I've never met a successful fatherhood program that had a one 1020 00:55:22,476 --> 00:55:25,606 and done staff development that prepared the staff 1021 00:55:25,606 --> 00:55:27,606 to adequately work with fathers. 1022 00:55:27,606 --> 00:55:29,606 John: Yeah. 1023 00:55:29,606 --> 00:55:32,406 David: In my experience when staff have been trained and are 1024 00:55:32,406 --> 00:55:35,616 on board it is synonymous with being involved 1025 00:55:35,616 --> 00:55:37,616 in the process of supporting fathers. 1026 00:55:38,016 --> 00:55:40,706 Very basic, show up and we can dance. 1027 00:55:41,296 --> 00:55:46,176 But, when they are on board or willing to grow to do 1028 00:55:46,176 --> 00:55:48,216 that self-assessment and wrestle with some 1029 00:55:48,216 --> 00:55:51,646 of their own more deep seeded issues and/or challenges, 1030 00:55:52,126 --> 00:55:55,556 they are now engaged in the process of engaging fathers. 1031 00:55:56,546 --> 00:55:58,686 You know, just like we have to help men get to a place 1032 00:55:58,686 --> 00:56:01,786 where they were healthy enough to confront their challenges, 1033 00:56:01,956 --> 00:56:05,276 we have to also help female staff be healthy enough to know 1034 00:56:05,276 --> 00:56:07,276 when they require additional supports. 1035 00:56:07,926 --> 00:56:13,176 And this slide sort of speaks to my belief based upon my experience, 1036 00:56:13,176 --> 00:56:17,646 there's no research connected to this, that when staff have sort 1037 00:56:17,646 --> 00:56:20,666 of said, "okay we're on board with working with expanding services 1038 00:56:20,666 --> 00:56:23,316 for fathers and supporting and engaging fathers," 1039 00:56:23,666 --> 00:56:25,836 that they will engage in conversations with them 1040 00:56:25,836 --> 00:56:28,166 that takes them a little bit outside of their comfort zone. 1041 00:56:28,556 --> 00:56:31,146 Those conversations are going to be extremely child-focused. 1042 00:56:31,606 --> 00:56:33,606 They'll be very specific. 1043 00:56:33,606 --> 00:56:36,226 They're going to be so self-aware of how they're communicating 1044 00:56:36,676 --> 00:56:38,676 and what they're communicating. 1045 00:56:38,676 --> 00:56:41,466 So they're clinging to those boundaries at an optimal distance. 1046 00:56:42,856 --> 00:56:47,096 Those anchors are really, really important, but once they move 1047 00:56:47,096 --> 00:56:50,296 to a place where they're a little bit more engaged and again, 1048 00:56:50,296 --> 00:56:52,406 they're doing the self-assessment, they're wrestling with some 1049 00:56:52,406 --> 00:56:55,696 of their own deep seeded issues and supervision or in therapy 1050 00:56:55,696 --> 00:56:57,696 if necessary, whatever the case may be, 1051 00:56:57,856 --> 00:57:02,436 then they're a lot more comfortable in terms of how they sort 1052 00:57:02,606 --> 00:57:05,286 of approach these conversations with fathers. 1053 00:57:05,806 --> 00:57:08,286 John. John: Okay. 1054 00:57:08,286 --> 00:57:10,286 David: Was that you who put the X? 1055 00:57:10,286 --> 00:57:12,286 John: You bet. 1056 00:57:12,286 --> 00:57:14,286 David: Oh, okay. 1057 00:57:14,286 --> 00:57:16,286 John: But, I'll wait till the elephant slide comes up. 1058 00:57:16,286 --> 00:57:18,286 David: Okay. 1059 00:57:18,286 --> 00:57:21,766 John: So, let's -- do you want to move to? 1060 00:57:21,766 --> 00:57:23,766 -- yeah David: Yeah. 1061 00:57:23,766 --> 00:57:25,766 John: So we've got a polling question. 1062 00:57:25,766 --> 00:57:27,766 David: We have another polling question for you, because we want 1063 00:57:27,766 --> 00:57:29,766 to try to keep this interactive. 1064 00:57:29,766 --> 00:57:31,766 And I know that once we do something that's a little bit 1065 00:57:31,766 --> 00:57:33,766 provocative we might get more responses. 1066 00:57:33,766 --> 00:57:35,766 So, Natalie, please launch the first question. 1067 00:57:35,766 --> 00:57:37,766 I'll go ahead and read it as she -- oh there it is. 1068 00:57:37,766 --> 00:57:42,346 How comfortable are you in building partnerships with fathers? 1069 00:57:43,166 --> 00:57:45,166 I am very comfortable. 1070 00:57:45,306 --> 00:57:47,306 I am mostly comfortable. 1071 00:57:48,346 --> 00:57:50,346 I am somewhat comfortable. 1072 00:57:50,976 --> 00:57:52,976 I am uncomfortable. 1073 00:57:52,976 --> 00:57:54,976 I am very uncomfortable. 1074 00:57:54,976 --> 00:57:57,656 So, this is sort of a way that you can sort of privately weigh in 1075 00:57:57,656 --> 00:58:02,556 and chime in now on where you're at with respect to this question. 1076 00:58:02,556 --> 00:58:04,000 We'll give you a couple seconds for you to do that. 1077 00:58:05,056 --> 00:58:15,656 [ Background Noise ] 1078 00:58:16,156 --> 00:58:17,000 John: Somebody's whispering. 1079 00:58:18,656 --> 00:58:21,836 [ Background Noise ] 1080 00:58:22,336 --> 00:58:24,336 David: We have a lot of people, so we're going 1081 00:58:24,336 --> 00:58:26,336 to give you guys a little bit more time. 1082 00:58:26,416 --> 00:58:28,556 John: Ah, there it is. 1083 00:58:28,556 --> 00:58:30,746 David: Thank you so much for calling in. 1084 00:58:30,886 --> 00:58:32,886 We have results? 1085 00:58:32,886 --> 00:58:34,886 John: Yeah. 1086 00:58:34,886 --> 00:58:36,886 David: So, it's taking my system a little bit longer for them to show. 1087 00:58:36,886 --> 00:58:38,886 John, can you speak to them? 1088 00:58:38,886 --> 00:58:40,886 John: Yeah, yeah. 1089 00:58:40,886 --> 00:58:42,886 23 percent of the people 1090 00:58:42,886 --> 00:58:44,886 on the call are saying they're very comfortable, 1091 00:58:44,886 --> 00:58:47,726 20 percent I am mostly comfortable, 10 percent somewhat, 1092 00:58:47,726 --> 00:58:52,606 1 percent I am uncomfortable, and zero said I'm very uncomfortable. 1093 00:58:53,086 --> 00:58:58,666 So, what this is that people seem to be in a pretty good place 1094 00:58:58,666 --> 00:59:02,686 with building partnerships with fathers for the most part. 1095 00:59:02,856 --> 00:59:11,046 I think that, yeah, really the large majority are going I am 1096 00:59:11,046 --> 00:59:13,826 mostly comfortable or above. 1097 00:59:14,266 --> 00:59:18,346 And I think that's great. 1098 00:59:18,556 --> 00:59:20,556 That's great. 1099 00:59:20,556 --> 00:59:22,556 Now, being comfortable and engaging -- 1100 00:59:22,556 --> 00:59:26,686 certainly the comfort level is important to genuine engagement. 1101 00:59:27,096 --> 00:59:30,086 But, as I said before, it's not just comfort, 1102 00:59:30,086 --> 00:59:33,076 its intentional things that we do to do that. 1103 00:59:33,166 --> 00:59:35,166 But -- David: Exactly. 1104 00:59:35,166 --> 00:59:37,436 And so, let's move to the second part of that polling question, 1105 00:59:37,436 --> 00:59:40,746 which actually speaks to competence and the way you get to a place -- 1106 00:59:40,746 --> 00:59:43,976 I think increasing competence goes back to professional development. 1107 00:59:43,976 --> 00:59:47,956 So, this question says, have you received professional development 1108 00:59:47,956 --> 00:59:51,076 around building supportive partnerships with fathers? 1109 00:59:51,076 --> 00:59:54,596 So again, we ask you to please weigh in. 1110 00:59:55,796 --> 00:59:58,866 Give you a few minutes to do that. 1111 00:59:59,056 --> 01:00:01,406 I have received extensive training. 1112 01:00:01,606 --> 01:00:04,456 I have received some training. 1113 01:00:04,666 --> 01:00:07,666 I have received a little training. 1114 01:00:08,756 --> 01:00:10,000 I have received no training. 1115 01:00:11,256 --> 01:00:27,596 [ Background Noise ] 1116 01:00:28,096 --> 01:00:31,086 David: Okay, Natalie can you do the honors please. 1117 01:00:31,296 --> 01:00:33,296 Oh, I think you're right on time. 1118 01:00:34,096 --> 01:00:36,226 Wow, so look at this John. 1119 01:00:36,226 --> 01:00:38,226 John: Yeah. 1120 01:00:38,226 --> 01:00:40,226 David: A little bit different. 1121 01:00:40,226 --> 01:00:42,226 John: Yeah, yeah. 1122 01:00:42,226 --> 01:00:44,916 No, like eight percent - so, of the respondents says this isn't -- 1123 01:00:44,916 --> 01:00:46,916 this doesn't add up to 100 percent. 1124 01:00:46,916 --> 01:00:50,396 So, if this were 100 percent of the people 1125 01:00:50,396 --> 01:00:52,936 on the call these numbers would actually be higher. 1126 01:00:53,466 --> 01:01:01,136 So, if you -- like so 16, so 24 percent are saying "received little 1127 01:01:01,136 --> 01:01:07,106 or no training" and that actually probably would need to be increased 1128 01:01:07,106 --> 01:01:10,216 if we were looking at 100 percent because we're only talking 1129 01:01:10,216 --> 01:01:13,386 about maybe less than 50 percent here. 1130 01:01:13,386 --> 01:01:22,446 So, that's a pretty large portion that haven't had specific training. 1131 01:01:23,346 --> 01:01:26,956 David: And again, what that could result in is, 1132 01:01:26,956 --> 01:01:29,086 once we have a better understanding about what some 1133 01:01:29,086 --> 01:01:32,526 of the limitations are for programs around getting 1134 01:01:32,526 --> 01:01:34,526 that professional development, 1135 01:01:34,526 --> 01:01:36,536 is ways in which we may be instrumental 1136 01:01:36,536 --> 01:01:38,746 in providing some support and guidance around that. 1137 01:01:38,836 --> 01:01:41,726 That sounds like we should be getting some inquiries 1138 01:01:41,726 --> 01:01:44,036 and some questions around how programs might be able 1139 01:01:44,036 --> 01:01:46,036 to build their capacity to do this. 1140 01:01:46,036 --> 01:01:48,856 John: Yeah, I think that both parts of this question, 1141 01:01:50,376 --> 01:01:53,126 it's also a reflection of who called in. 1142 01:01:53,446 --> 01:01:55,446 David: Yes, oh go ahead. 1143 01:01:55,446 --> 01:01:58,166 John: So, we've got people on the webinar that have an interest 1144 01:01:58,166 --> 01:02:02,646 and perhaps even a comfort with working with fathers. 1145 01:02:03,106 --> 01:02:08,106 And not surprising that they would want or expect a little bit more 1146 01:02:08,146 --> 01:02:10,146 in professional development. 1147 01:02:10,146 --> 01:02:12,146 David: Exactly. 1148 01:02:12,146 --> 01:02:14,146 John: Yeah. 1149 01:02:14,146 --> 01:02:16,146 David: Okay, so the social worker in me, 1150 01:02:16,146 --> 01:02:18,146 or I would not actually be true to the social worker 1151 01:02:18,146 --> 01:02:20,146 within me -- John: Yeah. 1152 01:02:20,146 --> 01:02:22,146 David: If I didn't ask you to dig a little bit deeper 1153 01:02:22,146 --> 01:02:24,376 with a few rhetorical questions. 1154 01:02:24,866 --> 01:02:27,016 And they're up on the screen. 1155 01:02:27,326 --> 01:02:29,836 So, when we talk about what does it mean to really connect 1156 01:02:29,876 --> 01:02:32,966 with fathers, some questions that come to mind is, 1157 01:02:33,016 --> 01:02:35,016 what are the potential benefits? 1158 01:02:35,016 --> 01:02:37,016 What, if any, are the costs? 1159 01:02:37,536 --> 01:02:39,866 What might be some unintended consequences? 1160 01:02:40,006 --> 01:02:42,396 And are there any other potential concerns? 1161 01:02:42,836 --> 01:02:44,836 John: Uh huh. 1162 01:02:44,836 --> 01:02:46,836 David: So, for me, just to prompt some discussion, 1163 01:02:46,836 --> 01:02:50,906 I think benefits are -- you have the opportunity 1164 01:02:50,976 --> 01:02:54,196 to receive another parent's perspective on child development 1165 01:02:54,446 --> 01:02:58,716 and what's important to them as it relates to their child. 1166 01:02:58,716 --> 01:03:03,036 You have opportunities to increase staff competency and capacity 1167 01:03:03,036 --> 01:03:05,916 to communicate with and support fathers. 1168 01:03:06,286 --> 01:03:11,016 And then you're also increasing fathers comfort being 1169 01:03:11,156 --> 01:03:13,156 in the program environment. 1170 01:03:13,926 --> 01:03:16,516 The more comfortable they are in the environment, 1171 01:03:16,516 --> 01:03:18,796 the more willing they are to engage 1172 01:03:18,796 --> 01:03:20,916 in the various activities that are offered. 1173 01:03:21,466 --> 01:03:23,466 What are some of the costs? 1174 01:03:23,976 --> 01:03:28,056 Well again, we sometimes push and encourage staff 1175 01:03:28,596 --> 01:03:30,596 to work outside of their comfort zone. 1176 01:03:30,596 --> 01:03:33,476 We want them to be intentionally different, 1177 01:03:33,526 --> 01:03:35,526 which is not necessarily always easy to do. 1178 01:03:35,536 --> 01:03:39,976 We want them to be okay with the time that it takes 1179 01:03:40,176 --> 01:03:42,176 for programs to transition. 1180 01:03:42,176 --> 01:03:44,176 And we don't talk enough about this. 1181 01:03:44,176 --> 01:03:47,356 You know, you go from starting to progressing to innovating. 1182 01:03:47,806 --> 01:03:50,236 Those are sort of three different points of intersection, 1183 01:03:50,236 --> 01:03:54,546 but there could huge chasms between what it means to go from starting 1184 01:03:55,056 --> 01:03:58,746 to progressing, from progressing to innovating. 1185 01:03:58,746 --> 01:04:01,206 And few programs I've seen are at that innovative place. 1186 01:04:01,646 --> 01:04:03,766 And some aspects of what they do may be innovating, 1187 01:04:03,766 --> 01:04:05,766 but not as an entire program. 1188 01:04:06,086 --> 01:04:09,486 Ed, you had talked as we were preparing for this 1189 01:04:09,486 --> 01:04:11,486 about some unintended consequences. 1190 01:04:11,486 --> 01:04:13,846 You want to speak to that a little bit? 1191 01:04:14,396 --> 01:04:17,266 Edwin: The intended consequences, oh God. 1192 01:04:17,696 --> 01:04:19,696 I can't remember where I was at with that. 1193 01:04:19,696 --> 01:04:21,696 We were just sitting there talking about different things. 1194 01:04:21,696 --> 01:04:24,076 But, I think -- David: You were -- I can just prompt you a little bit. 1195 01:04:24,076 --> 01:04:29,166 You were talking about some of the reaction of some of the mothers 1196 01:04:29,166 --> 01:04:31,306 and -- Edwin: Oh yeah, exactly. 1197 01:04:31,306 --> 01:04:33,846 You know, I know that when I first came 1198 01:04:33,846 --> 01:04:36,426 into the program there was really nothing geared to fathers, 1199 01:04:36,426 --> 01:04:38,426 and that was the whole initiative behind this. 1200 01:04:38,426 --> 01:04:41,056 But, now that the strength of the fathers has started to come in, 1201 01:04:41,056 --> 01:04:45,116 I think the women were feeling a little bit left out and again, 1202 01:04:45,116 --> 01:04:47,116 that's where the consequences were. 1203 01:04:47,116 --> 01:04:50,256 Again, you know it's hard to just, you know, really, you know, 1204 01:04:50,256 --> 01:04:53,096 to focus on just 100 percent of either or. 1205 01:04:53,476 --> 01:04:56,876 So, you know, that was kind of a challenge that we're facing. 1206 01:04:57,126 --> 01:05:01,506 And so, the women started their group up again, and again, 1207 01:05:01,506 --> 01:05:03,826 you know, it's good and it's all well and good. 1208 01:05:03,826 --> 01:05:07,616 We all work together as a team, but again, you know, it was like -- 1209 01:05:07,616 --> 01:05:11,006 I think the women were feeling a little left out of the loop 1210 01:05:11,006 --> 01:05:14,066 because more dads -- we were actually having a lot more dads 1211 01:05:14,066 --> 01:05:18,336 coming into program and, you know, before when it used to be kind 1212 01:05:18,336 --> 01:05:20,336 of pretty much women-based. 1213 01:05:20,336 --> 01:05:23,816 And even going on further out of the Head Start program, you know, 1214 01:05:23,816 --> 01:05:28,416 we see a lot more fathers now at WIC, Child Find, all those things. 1215 01:05:28,416 --> 01:05:30,546 And, I don't -- I'm not going to say it's entirely 1216 01:05:30,546 --> 01:05:32,546 because of our fatherhood program, 1217 01:05:32,556 --> 01:05:36,386 but I think that men are feeling more comfortable and in coming 1218 01:05:36,386 --> 01:05:38,386 into these types of environments. 1219 01:05:38,386 --> 01:05:42,466 John: Yeah, it's -- yeah I think that it's a challenge 1220 01:05:42,466 --> 01:05:46,816 because it takes some skill on the part of a staff person 1221 01:05:46,816 --> 01:05:48,816 when both the parents are there. 1222 01:05:48,816 --> 01:05:50,816 Who do you talk to? 1223 01:05:50,816 --> 01:05:52,816 And if you're talking to the father -- 1224 01:05:52,816 --> 01:05:55,116 I actually know a mother who told me this is -- 1225 01:05:55,116 --> 01:05:57,436 why are you talking to him? 1226 01:05:57,436 --> 01:05:59,836 I know the answers to your questions. 1227 01:05:59,836 --> 01:06:01,836 He doesn't. 1228 01:06:01,836 --> 01:06:05,216 And so, you get into those kind of gate keeping kind 1229 01:06:05,216 --> 01:06:07,216 of issues around the child. 1230 01:06:07,216 --> 01:06:10,936 So, it's harder to talk to two people at once then to one. 1231 01:06:10,936 --> 01:06:13,546 So, I think the consequences are kind 1232 01:06:13,546 --> 01:06:15,546 of professional development consequences 1233 01:06:15,546 --> 01:06:19,086 and skill consequences on top of it, yeah. 1234 01:06:19,086 --> 01:06:22,016 David: Any other potential concerns, John, that you would -- 1235 01:06:22,586 --> 01:06:27,766 John: Well, it may actually, and that brings up the next slide. 1236 01:06:27,766 --> 01:06:34,406 You know, in dealing with men who are nurturing young children, 1237 01:06:34,706 --> 01:06:36,706 there may be some elephants in the room. 1238 01:06:37,246 --> 01:06:39,716 And, maybe I just stop for a moment and -- 1239 01:06:39,966 --> 01:06:42,036 this is an awful cute elephant though David. 1240 01:06:42,036 --> 01:06:44,816 It's -- David: It is. 1241 01:06:45,346 --> 01:06:47,346 Edwin: It is Dave. 1242 01:06:47,346 --> 01:06:50,556 John: But, this, you know, what is the elephant in the room? 1243 01:06:50,856 --> 01:06:57,556 What is there between women who care for young children and men, 1244 01:06:57,636 --> 01:07:01,596 who come into the program, who are the fathers of those children, 1245 01:07:01,716 --> 01:07:06,056 or the men in the mothers of those children's lives? 1246 01:07:06,726 --> 01:07:13,446 And the larger kind of elephant in the room, in my opinion, 1247 01:07:13,476 --> 01:07:19,596 in having done a lot of this work over the years, is that all of us, 1248 01:07:19,656 --> 01:07:24,056 men and women, have, kind of, 1249 01:07:24,056 --> 01:07:26,736 previous relationships with men in our lives. 1250 01:07:26,736 --> 01:07:29,966 You know, whether it's our fathers, or whether it's that game 1251 01:07:29,966 --> 01:07:36,676 that so many people play from early adolescence on, and in high school 1252 01:07:36,676 --> 01:07:41,276 about relations between the sexes, in that those dynamics 1253 01:07:41,416 --> 01:07:50,446 of how you talk to men period can enter into a conversation about -- 1254 01:07:50,606 --> 01:07:52,966 that have kind of under the surface when you're talking 1255 01:07:52,966 --> 01:07:54,966 about the care of a child. 1256 01:07:54,966 --> 01:07:59,516 And so, I think it's raising that elephant in the room, kind of, 1257 01:07:59,516 --> 01:08:04,786 as David has portrayed it, as not necessarily operating all the time 1258 01:08:04,786 --> 01:08:08,396 or preventing good communications from happening. 1259 01:08:08,756 --> 01:08:12,546 But, I think we do have to acknowledge that the game, 1260 01:08:12,656 --> 01:08:16,636 the various kind of communications that go on between men and women 1261 01:08:16,636 --> 01:08:21,126 in our society often involve the -- 1262 01:08:21,126 --> 01:08:23,725 you know, other things than caring for young children. 1263 01:08:24,336 --> 01:08:28,296 And again, to bring that to awareness is probably an important 1264 01:08:28,296 --> 01:08:30,756 part of a professional development program. 1265 01:08:31,526 --> 01:08:33,586 David: It really is. 1266 01:08:33,935 --> 01:08:37,796 And just I think really a few other important things to add 1267 01:08:37,796 --> 01:08:39,796 to it you've already said. 1268 01:08:39,796 --> 01:08:41,906 You know this brings up sort of implications 1269 01:08:41,906 --> 01:08:47,316 for how you support families, particularly fathers, 1270 01:08:47,316 --> 01:08:50,536 around substance abuse issues and domestic violence issues 1271 01:08:50,536 --> 01:08:54,026 and even just fear issues of what it means to connect 1272 01:08:54,026 --> 01:08:57,645 and build a relationship given the sexual tension 1273 01:08:57,645 --> 01:08:59,645 that takes place between men and women. 1274 01:08:59,645 --> 01:09:01,645 John: Yeah. 1275 01:09:01,645 --> 01:09:03,645 Edwin: David. 1276 01:09:03,645 --> 01:09:05,645 David: Yes. 1277 01:09:05,645 --> 01:09:07,645 Edwin: This is Ed. 1278 01:09:07,645 --> 01:09:09,645 Again, just talking about the elephant, 1279 01:09:09,645 --> 01:09:11,645 I think from the native perspective also again, a lot of it has to do 1280 01:09:11,645 --> 01:09:13,645 with our historical traumas. 1281 01:09:13,645 --> 01:09:15,645 You know again, you're looking back at what men versus women, 1282 01:09:15,645 --> 01:09:19,296 what their -- what we're -- what is culturally appropriate 1283 01:09:19,296 --> 01:09:21,296 at that time. 1284 01:09:21,296 --> 01:09:23,296 David: Right. 1285 01:09:23,296 --> 01:09:25,296 Edwin: That's some of the major impacts 1286 01:09:25,296 --> 01:09:27,296 of some of our programs here. 1287 01:09:27,296 --> 01:09:29,296 You know [inaudible] that you know the elephant is right there 1288 01:09:29,296 --> 01:09:31,296 on your back, you know. 1289 01:09:31,296 --> 01:09:33,296 Again, that's where we're -- 1290 01:09:33,296 --> 01:09:35,296 you know, we have a lot of these social emotional issues. 1291 01:09:35,296 --> 01:09:37,296 And, all the economic health and wellbeing of our children are kind 1292 01:09:37,296 --> 01:09:41,246 of compromised because of sometimes those cultural -- I'm not -- 1293 01:09:41,246 --> 01:09:45,296 in a sense inadequacies, or I don't know if that's the right term, 1294 01:09:45,296 --> 01:09:48,076 but that's something that sometimes we kind 1295 01:09:48,076 --> 01:09:50,076 of have to face here in Laguna. 1296 01:09:51,176 --> 01:09:53,176 >> Oh. 1297 01:09:53,176 --> 01:09:55,176 >> Yeah. David: Okay, thank you. 1298 01:09:55,176 --> 01:09:57,606 So, we will move along. 1299 01:09:58,186 --> 01:10:02,106 John, this is you. 1300 01:10:02,106 --> 01:10:04,106 John: Yeah, yeah. 1301 01:10:04,106 --> 01:10:08,536 I think that this area -- and I love these pictures by the way. 1302 01:10:09,216 --> 01:10:12,326 The -- look at the engagement. 1303 01:10:12,326 --> 01:10:15,156 Look at like the man, the woman 1304 01:10:15,206 --> 01:10:18,266 and the kids all paying attention to the same thing. 1305 01:10:18,266 --> 01:10:20,876 So much learning is happening when you see that. 1306 01:10:20,936 --> 01:10:24,436 And I just love the picture down below. 1307 01:10:24,436 --> 01:10:26,436 You can see how the kids just -- 1308 01:10:26,436 --> 01:10:28,436 this child that's on the carpet is just 1309 01:10:28,436 --> 01:10:30,446 like loving looking up at this guy. 1310 01:10:30,446 --> 01:10:33,396 I don't know what he's saying, but it's -- 1311 01:10:33,396 --> 01:10:36,506 he certainly has engagement from the children right there. 1312 01:10:37,096 --> 01:10:42,996 The program environment, I think, you might ask the fathers what it's 1313 01:10:42,996 --> 01:10:44,996 like to walk into your program. 1314 01:10:44,996 --> 01:10:47,846 The experience of a father walking into a program 1315 01:10:47,846 --> 01:10:50,096 with young children that's designed by women, 1316 01:10:50,096 --> 01:10:54,936 and I've got numerous slides of program environments, 1317 01:10:54,936 --> 01:10:57,836 and I can put them up there and say, you know, "is this comfortable 1318 01:10:57,836 --> 01:10:59,836 for most men to walk into". 1319 01:10:59,836 --> 01:11:01,836 The step across the threshold 1320 01:11:01,836 --> 01:11:04,806 into the program may feel very different -- David: Yeah. 1321 01:11:04,806 --> 01:11:06,806 John: -- for a man. 1322 01:11:06,806 --> 01:11:08,806 So, I think it's very valuable to think 1323 01:11:08,806 --> 01:11:11,636 about you know is this a welcoming environment for a man? 1324 01:11:11,636 --> 01:11:13,636 That doesn't mean you have to have like deer heads 1325 01:11:13,636 --> 01:11:15,636 on the wall or anything. 1326 01:11:15,636 --> 01:11:19,436 What it means is you know having pictures of men, 1327 01:11:20,246 --> 01:11:23,846 having the size seats somewhere that they can fit in. 1328 01:11:24,026 --> 01:11:26,796 And really, I think, you can probably go to men 1329 01:11:26,796 --> 01:11:28,796 and have them walk in and see. 1330 01:11:28,866 --> 01:11:33,566 But, it's almost less a physical environment than it's the, kind of, 1331 01:11:33,746 --> 01:11:35,746 interpersonal environment. 1332 01:11:35,746 --> 01:11:37,746 And, that goes back 1333 01:11:37,746 --> 01:11:39,796 to the relationships on the framework slide. 1334 01:11:40,046 --> 01:11:44,166 Is -- is it a welcoming place when a man walks 1335 01:11:44,166 --> 01:11:47,416 into the door with a child. 1336 01:11:47,786 --> 01:11:52,516 Since most of you said you were comfortable you probably have those 1337 01:11:52,516 --> 01:11:57,976 places, but it's something again to be -- to think intentionally about. 1338 01:11:58,496 --> 01:12:05,076 I -- the other one that's circled here is teaching and learning 1339 01:12:05,076 --> 01:12:07,556 and I already addressed the pictures. 1340 01:12:07,556 --> 01:12:10,896 But, when men come into volunteer the classroom, 1341 01:12:10,896 --> 01:12:13,276 their interactions may look a little different 1342 01:12:13,306 --> 01:12:16,176 than you would expect when a mother comes in. 1343 01:12:16,386 --> 01:12:19,086 The instruction may not be quite as direct. 1344 01:12:19,086 --> 01:12:22,266 It might a little bit wilder. 1345 01:12:22,266 --> 01:12:27,676 That's not to say that some women won't come in and be quite loud 1346 01:12:27,676 --> 01:12:29,676 when they come into the classroom. 1347 01:12:29,676 --> 01:12:31,676 I certainly have seen that. 1348 01:12:31,676 --> 01:12:34,346 But, the frame is different. 1349 01:12:34,346 --> 01:12:37,506 The interactions may look a little different and they, 1350 01:12:37,506 --> 01:12:39,506 as I pointed out in the research slide, 1351 01:12:39,526 --> 01:12:42,386 those kind of interactions have benefits for kids as well. 1352 01:12:42,676 --> 01:12:44,676 David: Awesome. 1353 01:12:44,676 --> 01:12:52,916 And so now we have the distinct pleasure of having Edwin Cheromiah, 1354 01:12:52,916 --> 01:12:56,716 Sr. talk specifically about what all this looks 1355 01:12:56,716 --> 01:12:59,106 like within the context of a program. 1356 01:12:59,396 --> 01:13:01,396 So, Ed I'm going to turn it over to you. 1357 01:13:01,656 --> 01:13:04,146 Edwin Cheromiah, Sr.: Alright, thank you very much, 1358 01:13:04,146 --> 01:13:06,146 and thank you for having me. 1359 01:13:06,146 --> 01:13:08,146 I do appreciate it. 1360 01:13:08,146 --> 01:13:10,146 Again, this is just, kind of, a picture of, you know, 1361 01:13:10,436 --> 01:13:14,676 really good feelings at the Head Start with the rainbow showing, 1362 01:13:14,906 --> 01:13:18,756 depicting you know that children are very important, 1363 01:13:18,796 --> 01:13:21,676 sacred in our lives here at the Head Start program. 1364 01:13:21,676 --> 01:13:23,966 I just have a few slides here just too kind 1365 01:13:23,966 --> 01:13:27,616 of depict some of those things. 1366 01:13:27,936 --> 01:13:29,936 [inaudible] okay. 1367 01:13:29,936 --> 01:13:31,936 We were talking about all the things that we have just talked 1368 01:13:31,936 --> 01:13:34,386 about coming from the beginning of the slides. 1369 01:13:34,706 --> 01:13:37,026 Here are things that we're attempting to do here 1370 01:13:37,026 --> 01:13:39,826 at the program is to make sure that we ensure 1371 01:13:39,826 --> 01:13:41,926 that we support fathers in every way. 1372 01:13:42,006 --> 01:13:44,536 And, a lot of that has to deal with, you know, 1373 01:13:44,886 --> 01:13:46,886 making them feel comfortable. 1374 01:13:46,886 --> 01:13:52,046 The picture on the upper left hand corner there is a picture 1375 01:13:52,046 --> 01:13:56,796 of just some dads who were helping with an activity, 1376 01:13:56,796 --> 01:13:59,246 and I believe it was our Easter activity. 1377 01:13:59,646 --> 01:14:02,936 And, you know, the dads are coming in doing that more because, 1378 01:14:02,936 --> 01:14:08,086 I think, the teachers are more engaging with their fathers 1379 01:14:08,086 --> 01:14:10,466 as they're coming and they're making them feel comfortable, 1380 01:14:10,756 --> 01:14:13,486 knowing that they are important part 1381 01:14:13,486 --> 01:14:16,346 of their child's upbringing and wellbeing. 1382 01:14:16,746 --> 01:14:21,326 Again, we always encourage parents, dads, to come in 1383 01:14:21,326 --> 01:14:26,566 and show their talents and that was just a picture they had taken of me 1384 01:14:26,566 --> 01:14:29,756 as I was talking to the kids about music. 1385 01:14:29,756 --> 01:14:32,356 And there's other things that we do in the culturally -- 1386 01:14:32,696 --> 01:14:35,036 the cultural way of things, you know, 1387 01:14:35,036 --> 01:14:37,036 our cultural traditional dances. 1388 01:14:37,326 --> 01:14:41,466 We encourage dads to come in and sing songs for their parents. 1389 01:14:41,466 --> 01:14:43,466 I'm sorry, sing songs for their kids. 1390 01:14:43,896 --> 01:14:46,086 They are helping making the -- 1391 01:14:46,186 --> 01:14:50,036 our traditional costumes for the dances. 1392 01:14:50,036 --> 01:14:52,386 They're making -- the teachers are absolutely making them, 1393 01:14:52,806 --> 01:14:54,806 you know, feel comfortable here. 1394 01:14:54,806 --> 01:14:59,076 And, of course we always have the challenges all the time still yet, 1395 01:14:59,076 --> 01:15:01,076 but I think that's also helping them 1396 01:15:01,076 --> 01:15:06,776 with helping the men set goals, set priorities. 1397 01:15:07,056 --> 01:15:12,566 And also again, you know if a child comes in with an IEP 1398 01:15:12,596 --> 01:15:15,836 or [inaudible] you know the dads are more comfortable knowing 1399 01:15:15,836 --> 01:15:18,966 that they can do these things for their kids. 1400 01:15:19,356 --> 01:15:23,586 Like I said, we include fathers in classroom activities. 1401 01:15:23,846 --> 01:15:25,846 We have literacy programs to -- 1402 01:15:25,846 --> 01:15:28,456 where dads are coming in and reading to the children. 1403 01:15:28,456 --> 01:15:33,176 There's also programs to where we're teaching Keres language 1404 01:15:33,176 --> 01:15:37,556 to the kids and we have actually in our program one, two - 1405 01:15:37,556 --> 01:15:41,596 two teachers that actually speak -- teach the Keres language. 1406 01:15:41,676 --> 01:15:45,156 And we also have two custodians and a male cook. 1407 01:15:45,156 --> 01:15:48,076 So we're starting to get more male involvement 1408 01:15:48,076 --> 01:15:51,966 because of just the comfort level that they feel right now. 1409 01:15:51,966 --> 01:15:57,006 And again, all of it is just to ensure that the kids are ready 1410 01:15:57,006 --> 01:15:59,006 for the next level of education. 1411 01:16:00,086 --> 01:16:02,086 Again, on the -- we -- 1412 01:16:02,086 --> 01:16:05,746 I also coordinate a monthly fatherhood night. 1413 01:16:06,006 --> 01:16:09,086 And that's what we call them, just simply as that, fatherhood nights. 1414 01:16:09,476 --> 01:16:12,826 And I have a grandparent here, if you don't mind, I'd like for him 1415 01:16:12,826 --> 01:16:15,366 to kind of give an idea of you know is perspective 1416 01:16:15,366 --> 01:16:17,366 on our fatherhood nights. 1417 01:16:17,436 --> 01:16:21,846 Wilbur Lockwood: Yeah, I'm Wilbur Lockwood, and I'm a grandparent 1418 01:16:21,986 --> 01:16:24,976 to the fatherhood organization here in Laguna. 1419 01:16:24,976 --> 01:16:31,436 And they been very instrumental to spelling out different things 1420 01:16:31,436 --> 01:16:37,256 that need to be possibly addressed, not only traditionally wise, 1421 01:16:37,256 --> 01:16:41,836 but how we can go ahead and be a better parent, I guess, 1422 01:16:41,836 --> 01:16:43,836 is what it is, you know. 1423 01:16:43,836 --> 01:16:49,506 Nowadays we've got a lot of young parents out there with kids that, 1424 01:16:49,506 --> 01:16:55,316 really, they don't know how to run or raise as a family. 1425 01:16:55,316 --> 01:17:01,966 And, in order to do that then we, you know, we all sit down together 1426 01:17:02,066 --> 01:17:08,056 and offer suggestions of what we need to do, maybe possibly 1427 01:17:08,056 --> 01:17:13,046 to better each other in raising our kids or grandfathering, 1428 01:17:13,046 --> 01:17:15,916 grandmothering our kids and also 1429 01:17:15,916 --> 01:17:19,016 that they can have a productive life when -- 1430 01:17:19,086 --> 01:17:24,876 whether they leave the reservation or not, and go out into the world, 1431 01:17:25,636 --> 01:17:28,296 which is like when Ed mentioned about seed planting. 1432 01:17:28,296 --> 01:17:33,226 You know, that's one of the things that we try to stress that life is 1433 01:17:33,226 --> 01:17:35,226 like a seed, you put it in the ground 1434 01:17:35,226 --> 01:17:37,226 and it grows and spreads out. 1435 01:17:37,666 --> 01:17:46,526 Well, that's basically how our life is, is you know we put ourselves 1436 01:17:46,526 --> 01:17:51,696 on the pedestal and let our parents teach us different things. 1437 01:17:51,696 --> 01:17:56,696 And not necessarily we try to avoid all the bad stuff, but still 1438 01:17:56,696 --> 01:18:00,996 yet you know somehow, somewhere they get in there and all. 1439 01:18:01,556 --> 01:18:06,056 But, we try to tell the fathers, you know, try to live as an example 1440 01:18:07,536 --> 01:18:09,536 for your own kids and love your kids. 1441 01:18:09,536 --> 01:18:12,976 You know it's not, not to a point to where you -- 1442 01:18:13,676 --> 01:18:16,916 it's embarrassing when you go up to your child and hug them 1443 01:18:16,916 --> 01:18:20,246 or give them a kiss on the cheek or whatever 1444 01:18:20,246 --> 01:18:22,436 and say, you know, "I love you". 1445 01:18:22,436 --> 01:18:25,866 And all the sudden we see that on the reservation 1446 01:18:25,866 --> 01:18:29,436 because that's not part of us really and all. 1447 01:18:29,436 --> 01:18:34,236 But, you know Ed has gone out of his way, I think anyway, 1448 01:18:34,236 --> 01:18:38,096 to really try to stress that to us fathers out there; 1449 01:18:38,096 --> 01:18:42,646 his nightly meetings that he has every month and all. 1450 01:18:43,266 --> 01:18:46,726 If we could get more fathers in there, 1451 01:18:46,726 --> 01:18:51,946 I think basically we can have a better working relationship among 1452 01:18:51,946 --> 01:18:54,916 each other and among their own families 1453 01:18:54,916 --> 01:18:56,916 out there in the community. 1454 01:18:56,916 --> 01:18:58,916 Edwin Cheromiah, Sr.: Right, just some of the things 1455 01:18:58,916 --> 01:19:00,916 that we've been doing along them with our father program. 1456 01:19:00,916 --> 01:19:02,916 And again, the expected outcomes, of course, 1457 01:19:02,916 --> 01:19:04,916 is to overcome some of the barriers. 1458 01:19:04,916 --> 01:19:06,916 And this, kind of, picture depicts some of those things, 1459 01:19:06,916 --> 01:19:10,276 overcoming barriers to improve positive involvement 1460 01:19:10,276 --> 01:19:12,276 in our children. 1461 01:19:12,276 --> 01:19:15,276 This is something just called a jackrabbit shuffle that, you know, 1462 01:19:15,276 --> 01:19:17,896 that was created by Dr. Clayton Small in the Road 1463 01:19:17,896 --> 01:19:20,036 of Life curriculum, which we also use here. 1464 01:19:20,366 --> 01:19:24,106 And also it's culturally appropriate. 1465 01:19:24,196 --> 01:19:27,776 It's educational, especially, you know, again, it helps. 1466 01:19:28,196 --> 01:19:30,196 You know, it helps, especially if it's -- 1467 01:19:30,196 --> 01:19:33,556 and that's the parent coming in for the first time seeing these things, 1468 01:19:33,556 --> 01:19:35,686 how important it is to drop some of those barriers. 1469 01:19:36,016 --> 01:19:39,076 So again, that's all to increase, you know, 1470 01:19:39,076 --> 01:19:41,766 just fatherhood involvement. 1471 01:19:41,766 --> 01:19:46,616 We are also developing fathers and cultural fathers 1472 01:19:46,616 --> 01:19:50,056 and children's cultural development. 1473 01:19:50,136 --> 01:19:52,486 This particular slide here is a father. 1474 01:19:52,486 --> 01:19:56,556 This father is teaching these children our annual -- 1475 01:19:56,556 --> 01:20:00,326 it's called a -- it's called the Corn Dance. 1476 01:20:00,326 --> 01:20:04,916 And it's, again, going back into preservation of our livelihood 1477 01:20:05,096 --> 01:20:08,966 and hoping and praying for rain so that we can plant -- 1478 01:20:08,966 --> 01:20:11,596 the seed has been planted will continue to grow 1479 01:20:11,596 --> 01:20:13,596 and also flourishes back into the children. 1480 01:20:13,936 --> 01:20:17,336 So, those are some of the things that we've been really working 1481 01:20:17,336 --> 01:20:19,646 at here at the Laguna Head Start Program. 1482 01:20:19,786 --> 01:20:23,336 And again, this is just a group picture of some of the guys 1483 01:20:23,336 --> 01:20:26,296 that have been here throughout the years. 1484 01:20:26,706 --> 01:20:29,876 This guy in the center holding the ribbon has been a very 1485 01:20:29,876 --> 01:20:31,876 instrumental part. 1486 01:20:31,876 --> 01:20:33,876 He no longer has children here at Head Start 1487 01:20:33,876 --> 01:20:35,876 but continues to come back. 1488 01:20:35,876 --> 01:20:38,056 And he was one of the guys back in '04 that started the whole program. 1489 01:20:38,466 --> 01:20:41,066 And the guy off to the left-hand side behind him 1490 01:20:41,066 --> 01:20:43,066 on the back row there with the cap, 1491 01:20:43,066 --> 01:20:45,356 the big guy with the big cheesy smile, he's also. 1492 01:20:45,596 --> 01:20:51,126 And the guy also, kind of, with his hand over his shoulder is a -- 1493 01:20:51,126 --> 01:20:53,126 oh wow, what's happening? 1494 01:20:53,306 --> 01:20:55,306 Did something there. 1495 01:20:55,306 --> 01:20:57,306 How I'd get out of that? 1496 01:20:57,306 --> 01:20:59,306 David: That's alright just go ahead. 1497 01:20:59,306 --> 01:21:01,306 Edwin Cheromiah, Sr.: He's one of the guys -- 1498 01:21:01,306 --> 01:21:04,256 those are the men that have really pushed this program along before he 1499 01:21:04,256 --> 01:21:06,256 came to Head Start. 1500 01:21:06,256 --> 01:21:08,646 It was first done under the, the -- what was it called now? 1501 01:21:08,646 --> 01:21:12,766 The oh, PFS, Partners For Success Program, 1502 01:21:12,766 --> 01:21:15,176 and they eventually came here to Laguna. 1503 01:21:15,176 --> 01:21:18,306 But right now this -- our mission statement kind of says that all -- 1504 01:21:18,356 --> 01:21:20,356 summarizes everything that we're trying 1505 01:21:20,356 --> 01:21:22,356 to do here at Laguna Head Start. 1506 01:21:22,356 --> 01:21:24,356 And our mission is just this, 1507 01:21:24,896 --> 01:21:27,146 the mission at Laguna Fatherhood Group is 1508 01:21:27,146 --> 01:21:31,406 to support fathers interested in contributing their skills 1509 01:21:32,366 --> 01:21:35,086 and resources for the development of their children at home, 1510 01:21:35,116 --> 01:21:37,516 in the community and school settings, all the things 1511 01:21:37,516 --> 01:21:39,516 that we've been just, kind of, 1512 01:21:39,516 --> 01:21:41,516 talking about all throughout the whole slides. 1513 01:21:41,516 --> 01:21:44,256 So, again that's kind of what we do here at Laguna. 1514 01:21:44,536 --> 01:21:46,536 And if there's any, you know -- 1515 01:21:46,536 --> 01:21:48,536 I would encourage anyone to give us a call 1516 01:21:48,536 --> 01:21:51,246 and we can always talk a little bit more about this. 1517 01:21:51,246 --> 01:21:53,786 So again, that's kind of my presentation there. 1518 01:21:53,856 --> 01:21:55,856 Thank you. 1519 01:21:55,856 --> 01:21:57,856 David: Yep, one more. 1520 01:21:57,856 --> 01:22:02,396 >> Okay, oh this is the Father Engagement Resources? 1521 01:22:02,826 --> 01:22:04,826 Kiersten: Yep. 1522 01:22:04,826 --> 01:22:07,996 I think -- this is Kiersten, and I know we're wrapping up. 1523 01:22:08,156 --> 01:22:10,676 We're probably going to go a couple minutes over for those of us -- 1524 01:22:10,816 --> 01:22:14,946 for those of you who want to stick around for another five minutes. 1525 01:22:15,606 --> 01:22:19,456 We -- I want to just let you know a little bit about the resources 1526 01:22:19,456 --> 01:22:21,456 that we keep referring to. 1527 01:22:21,536 --> 01:22:23,736 The Head Start Father Engagement Birth 1528 01:22:23,736 --> 01:22:26,376 to Five Programming Guide just came out today 1529 01:22:26,376 --> 01:22:28,766 with an information memorandum to all programs. 1530 01:22:28,916 --> 01:22:34,256 Las Manos de Apรก is a set of resources for programs for working 1531 01:22:34,326 --> 01:22:37,396 with Latino fathers around supporting their relationships 1532 01:22:37,396 --> 01:22:40,236 with their young children, particularly around literacy. 1533 01:22:40,236 --> 01:22:42,766 There's support group curriculum and training material. 1534 01:22:43,726 --> 01:22:47,986 We also have a couple of videos that we're sharing. 1535 01:22:47,986 --> 01:22:52,806 The Best Practices Series that the National Center is doing. 1536 01:22:52,806 --> 01:22:54,806 This is the first in the series that we're putting 1537 01:22:54,806 --> 01:22:56,806 out called Engaging Fathers 1538 01:22:56,806 --> 01:22:59,246 and Engaging Young Fathers Through Support Groups. 1539 01:22:59,246 --> 01:23:04,516 These are basically -- they'll be some facilitation guides 1540 01:23:04,516 --> 01:23:08,996 to support training conversations and group interactions 1541 01:23:08,996 --> 01:23:12,946 with staff around, kind of, what your takeaways from the videos are. 1542 01:23:12,946 --> 01:23:14,946 So, these are, kind of -- 1543 01:23:14,946 --> 01:23:16,946 can function like exercises in your program for thinking 1544 01:23:16,946 --> 01:23:18,946 about father engagement. 1545 01:23:18,946 --> 01:23:23,496 There was a -- I'm sorry that our public chat wasn't working so well. 1546 01:23:23,906 --> 01:23:25,906 I appreciated some of the comments. 1547 01:23:25,906 --> 01:23:28,406 Janus McBride had talked about, you know, 1548 01:23:28,656 --> 01:23:32,296 just really reiterating the point that you really need staff buy-in 1549 01:23:32,726 --> 01:23:35,746 in terms of, you know, getting father engagement, 1550 01:23:35,746 --> 01:23:37,746 involvement going. 1551 01:23:37,746 --> 01:23:39,746 Otherwise, it's a real struggle. 1552 01:23:39,746 --> 01:23:41,746 And there was a question about the PowerPoint. 1553 01:23:41,746 --> 01:23:43,766 This PowerPoint won't be shared, but the resources -- 1554 01:23:43,766 --> 01:23:46,906 there are a lot of training material in the resources 1555 01:23:46,906 --> 01:23:48,906 that we've talked about. 1556 01:23:48,906 --> 01:23:52,096 And you can contact us for specific things that you're looking 1557 01:23:52,096 --> 01:23:55,876 for from the PowerPoint if you're wanting 1558 01:23:55,876 --> 01:23:58,176 to support a particular exercise, that kind of thing. 1559 01:23:58,426 --> 01:24:00,936 We'd be happy to share it. 1560 01:24:00,936 --> 01:24:02,936 So, David, I think, if you want to take us 1561 01:24:02,976 --> 01:24:05,096 out with some summarizing points 1562 01:24:05,096 --> 01:24:07,096 about what we've talked about today. 1563 01:24:07,096 --> 01:24:13,796 David: Sure, so our last slide just really underscores everything 1564 01:24:13,796 --> 01:24:17,066 that we discussed, basically saying that fathers are important 1565 01:24:17,066 --> 01:24:19,066 to their children, which all of you know, 1566 01:24:19,066 --> 01:24:21,626 their families and their communities. 1567 01:24:22,016 --> 01:24:25,436 You know, the relationship building with fathers is key, 1568 01:24:25,806 --> 01:24:27,806 looking at the program leadership, 1569 01:24:27,896 --> 01:24:29,896 the continuous improvement processes, 1570 01:24:29,906 --> 01:24:32,166 professional development, all of those things that we discussed. 1571 01:24:32,976 --> 01:24:35,366 Utilize these resources that we're providing to you 1572 01:24:35,366 --> 01:24:38,816 to really assess your family and your father engagement. 1573 01:24:39,526 --> 01:24:41,526 Hold thoughtful conversations, 1574 01:24:41,526 --> 01:24:43,526 even some of the challenging conversations 1575 01:24:43,526 --> 01:24:45,526 that you may need to have. 1576 01:24:45,526 --> 01:24:47,526 When we say let's have a real conversation 1577 01:24:47,526 --> 01:24:49,526 and you know what that means. 1578 01:24:49,526 --> 01:24:51,526 You know, conduct some real program planning on how to do this. 1579 01:24:51,526 --> 01:24:54,016 Make this integrated throughout your entire program. 1580 01:24:54,576 --> 01:24:56,576 Engage in staff development. 1581 01:24:56,576 --> 01:24:58,576 Implement and evaluate and review. 1582 01:24:58,576 --> 01:25:00,646 And, celebrate fathers and families. 1583 01:25:00,646 --> 01:25:03,616 This is our time to not only do it just because it's June 1584 01:25:03,616 --> 01:25:07,886 and it's Father's Day approaching, but fathers are so instrumental 1585 01:25:08,116 --> 01:25:10,426 to their families and their communities and we want 1586 01:25:10,426 --> 01:25:12,536 to make sure that you're thinking about that throughout the year. 1587 01:25:12,896 --> 01:25:17,006 I want to take this time to really thank first 1588 01:25:17,006 --> 01:25:19,726 and foremost Yvette Sanchez Fuentes, our fearless leader, 1589 01:25:20,166 --> 01:25:22,676 the Director of the Office of Head Start, for just supporting 1590 01:25:22,766 --> 01:25:27,256 such important work; Edwin and John for co-facilitating; 1591 01:25:28,156 --> 01:25:30,856 Kiersten Biegel, who is an absolute gem, 1592 01:25:31,116 --> 01:25:33,116 and without whom I'm not sure we would have been able 1593 01:25:33,116 --> 01:25:35,116 to pull all of this off this week. 1594 01:25:35,116 --> 01:25:37,116 Thank you so much. 1595 01:25:37,116 --> 01:25:39,626 The National Center on Parent, Family and Community Engagement, 1596 01:25:39,626 --> 01:25:44,376 our technical support team at I-Link, Natalie and Sam and all 1597 01:25:44,376 --> 01:25:46,376 of the participants who joined us for this webinar. 1598 01:25:47,256 --> 01:25:50,466 It is extremely important to note that we are aware 1599 01:25:50,826 --> 01:25:53,696 of the great work that's taking place in programs 1600 01:25:53,696 --> 01:25:56,376 across the country and through some collaborative partnerships 1601 01:25:56,376 --> 01:25:58,376 that you've established. 1602 01:25:58,376 --> 01:26:00,696 Our only goal is to provide tangible resources 1603 01:26:00,696 --> 01:26:02,696 that can increase the likelihood 1604 01:26:02,796 --> 01:26:06,706 that your father engagement efforts are not tied to an individual 1605 01:26:07,046 --> 01:26:11,756 or external consultant, but are connected to an integrated system 1606 01:26:11,756 --> 01:26:14,396 of meaningful services with fathers, children 1607 01:26:14,796 --> 01:26:22,346 and families, and we thank you. 1608 01:26:22,936 --> 01:26:25,796 Kiersten. Kiersten: Thanks everybody. 1609 01:26:26,936 --> 01:26:29,246 John: That was awesome, David. 1610 01:26:30,026 --> 01:26:33,506 David: That was a wonderful job all the way around guys. 1611 01:26:33,596 --> 01:26:35,596 Thank you so, so much. 1612 01:26:35,596 --> 01:26:37,596 Thank you all the participants. 1613 01:26:37,596 --> 01:26:39,596 I think people are starting to sign out. 1614 01:26:39,596 --> 01:26:41,596 So, we don't have time for questions 1615 01:26:41,596 --> 01:26:43,596 but I guess people will email us. 1616 01:26:43,646 --> 01:26:45,646 >> Okay, that sounds great. 1617 01:26:45,816 --> 01:26:47,816 >> Alright, thank you very much. 1618 01:26:47,816 --> 01:26:49,816 >> Thank you. 1619 01:26:49,816 --> 01:26:51,816 >> Thanks everyone. 1620 01:26:51,816 --> 01:26:53,816 >> Thank you. 1621 01:26:53,816 --> 01:26:55,816 >> Goodbye we'll see you all. 1622 01:26:55,816 --> 01:26:57,816 >> We'll talk to you soon. 1623 01:26:57,816 --> 01:26:59,816 >> Very soon.