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Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Bradley Kuhn] I have to be honest\NI'm really honored to be here
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't say that to just every conference\NI care a lot about Debian
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is my 3rd DebConf I've ever been to.\N
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There have been a lot of them so I \Nobviously haven't been to that many
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I was at DebConf1
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just learned today that it was zero\Nbased so that it wasn't the first DebConf
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I should have known but didn't for\Nsome reason.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was at the 2nd DebConf by accident\Nsomewhat because I was going to
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Libre Software Meeting and just\Nhappened to
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,book my flights so that I could be at\NDebConf as well
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I gave a regular track talk at DebConf10\Nabout the GPL v3
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it was in New York City where I\Nwas living at the time
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here I'm giving an invited speaker talk or\Nkeynote or whatever else it is called here
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That really means a lot to me.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a fan of Debian, I'm a user of Debian.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't actually consider myself part of\Nthe Debian community
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because other than filing a few bugs\Nover the years
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I haven't contributed all that much to\NDebian but I've relied on it and used it
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and been a fan of it for so long\Nthat I really love your project.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I am really honored to be invited to\Nspeak here
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I really believe that Debian is a\Nvery special project for a lot of reasons.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all, it has thrived for longer\Nthan almost any free software project
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in existence in a lot of ways. \NThere are top 10 lists of projects that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Debian is certainly on as far as longevity\Ngoes, maybe the top 5
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's governance is one of the few\Ndemocratically elected and
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,democratically controlled\Ngovernance processes in free software
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone is a fan of talking about this\N'benevolent dictator' stuff
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I think is really horrible\NThe fact that somebody would call
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,themselves a 'self appointed benevolent\Ndictator for life' is really disturbing.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are democratic.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You elect your leadership.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have referendums on major issues\Nthat everyone can vote on.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is amazingly rare, impressive\Nand important for free software.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other thing that really impresses me,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in particular being somebody from the\Nnon-profit world,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that Debian has been staunchly\Nnon-commercial for it's entire existence.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course I don't mean that Debian\Ncan't be used in commercial settings.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DFSG free means that things can be put\Ninto commercial products.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I mean is that the project itself has\Nalways been non-commercial,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,meaning that the people that work on it\Nare volunteering,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, even if their employers are paying\Nthem to work on it,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are part of a community and not\Ndoing their work inside Debian as
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,officially part of some\Ncommercial activity.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Most free software projects these days\Nare controlled by
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some commercial entity or another.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Debian is not.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was at Debconf1 which was really\Nexciting for me.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was a young executive director of\NFree Software.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I showed this picture to Karen Sandler who\NI work with and said how different I look.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She said I don't look different at all,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, speaking as the person that looks\Nat that face in the mirror every morning,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are a lot more lines on my face\Nthan there.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is a smooth looking baby face that I\Nhad 14 years ago that I don't have anymore
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was pretty casual back then.\NI'm not in short trousers any more.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's hard to see and you can see it in\Nsome of the other photos that I was.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even in this heat like this I haven't\Nworn short trousers in a very long time.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's that? [bdale heckles]
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bdale, I was thinking about mentioning you\Nand now I have to because you are heckling
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,me [laughter]. Bdale is the one adult\Nin the room who can dress like
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody else but I can't pull it off
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I respect Bdale that he can. \NThe tie-dye still works for him.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I stopped wearing t-shirts years ago\Nat conferences
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and here I'm sweating in my long sleeves\Nhalfway between hacker and suit attire.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there [in the photo] I'm talking to\NMartin Michmayer
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to do questions at the end Lars,\Nif that's ok.\N
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not good with questions because I\Nget off topic easy.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I left 17 minutes at the end for questions\Nwhich Bdale just took 3 of [laughter]
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There I'm talking to Martin Michlmayer\Nwhen I first met him.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of things have changed since I\Nlooked at this photo.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But one thing that hasn't changed,\Nyou see this face that Martin is making.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He still makes that face at me every time\NI talk to him, which sort of says like
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You do not know what you are talking\Nabout". That hasn't changed, which is good
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]. I'm glad he is laughing in the\Nback there.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some things have stayed the same.\NMartin still thinks I'm full of it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I probably am, so that's ok.\NI like people to keep me honest.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Other than jokes, the thing that hasn't\Nreally changed since I was first
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,introduced to the Debian community, in\Nperson, back in 2001,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the ethos of this community is still\Nthe same one that I remember
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though a lot of the developers\Nhave changed.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I talked to somebody who had never\Neven installed Debian when they were at
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DebConf1. I talked to someone who was\N12 years old at the time of DebConf1.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I find it impressive that what I call the\N'morality of the hobbyist contributor'
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still lives strongly in Debian.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The people in Debian want to do what is\Nright for other people -
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their users, co-developers,\Nco-contributors.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They also volunteer to do that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I said before, that doesn't mean that\Nthey aren't being paid to do their work.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the classic free software thing: lots\Nof people get paid to write free software.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I've seen recently, in many free\Nsoftware projects, is that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies have used that. I think\NOpenStack is one of the worst examples
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this. To control the project by hiring\Nlots of it's developers.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have this kindof pull over the\Nproject. I think that a lot of people that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work at OpenStack would say they are\Nemployers employee first and an
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OpenStack contributor second.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know anyone in Debian who would\Nnot say 'I am a Debian developer' first
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I happen to be employed as a\Nsecond issue.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Debian is their first priority.\NTheir job is their second.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That hobbyist culture of 'my volunteer\Nwork matters more to me than
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what actually pays me for a living'\Nis the kind of mentality that I am such a
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fan of. I try to live that in my own work\Nas well.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like interacting with the community.\NI usually find conferences very stressful.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This one I do not find as stressful\Nother than I'm standing in a room with a
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,huge number of people. Other than that\NI don't find it stressful
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this is the kind of community\Nthat thinks that way.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think a lot of it has to do with the\Nother structures you have set up around
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yourselves. The idea of having charities\Nthat you work with
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which you have chosen to do a multi\Ncharity situation where you have lots
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the world that you can interact\Nwith.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of them was founded by a Debian\Ndeveloper initially.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You reach out to other partnerships or\Ncharities as a non-commercial community
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That allows you to have an infrastructure\Nthat you can rely on that helps
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you maintain that community.\NI'm very glad that you do that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I used to work for the FSF and am still on\Nthe board of directors.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Early in the project Debian was more or\Nless a GNU project for a while.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was part of the FSF. I know that\Nrelationship has never been perfect
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes rocky and sometimes better,\Nbut the FSF saw this in Debian too
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very early on. That it was a really\Nimportant way to begin the whole
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distribution thing of free software and \Nthat culture was a match with
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,FSF's culture.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know where the issues are and I'm\Nsure John is here to talk about them.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think there is a lot of cultural\Nconnect between FSF and Debian.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a little obsessed about this quote.\NI saw it in real time.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was subscribed to comp.os.minux in Aug\Nof '91 when it was posted
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Part of it was that when I started working\Nfor the FSF I started thinking about it
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the FSF when I worked there had 7\Nemployees and still has under 20
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not big.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I don't think of it as big and I guess\Nstrictly speaking,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since the FSF is a very professional\Norganisation, and to take the
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strict definition professional means you\Nget paid to do this thing,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you do it for a living - yes, the FSF\Nstaff are professionals
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in all the ways you might use the word\Nprofessional,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I don't think that's what Linus\Nwas going for in this quote
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think he meant those normal things\Nabout professional
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think what he was going for is he was\Ntrying to create Linux back when he was\Nhumble
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because people forget Linus used to be\Nreally humble. Once upon a time.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know... ok. I think some of his\Nearly posts were humble
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we can debate that I suppose.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the things that Linus understood\Nwell was that he wanted to create
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a project where individuals collaborated\Ntogether in their own capacity.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He wanted a hobbyist kind of culture and\Nwas interested in that kind of culture.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that what he got wrong was not\Nrealising how important charities are
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to that culture and I think Debian has\Nalways got that right.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've always interacted with charities\Nin good ways.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think you keep them at arms length,\Nwhich is OK and reasonable, but
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've always seen the value,\Nalways seen the connection between being
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a non-commercial hobbyist controlled\Nproject, very professional I think, but
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still hobbyist controlled in a sense that\Nyou are volunteers doing the right things
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for everyone in your community.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the same time reaching out to these\Ncharities and letting them help you
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get done what you need to get do in the\Nlogistical world outside of your project.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I've seen in other projects that\NDebian has not suffered from
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the politics of the projects have\Nbifurcated.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's the technical politics which is\Nthe usual arguments about
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this technology verses that technology
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say, systemd verses upstart, something\Nlike that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that, I think in almost every project\Nstill remains under developer control.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People who are developers decide\Ntechnical decisions like that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the political governance in most other\Nprojects has been hijacked in my view.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By various different groups, depending on\Nthe project
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but usually some mix of lawyers or\Nbusiness type people who are somehow
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in for profit companies or industry\Nassociations,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have taken over the political\Ngovernance.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason they've succeeded in doing this\NI think is because most developers
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,care deeply about the technical politics,\Nbut not so much about the other politics.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They want to make those decisions once\Nand leave them alone.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of my work in Conservancy is to help\Ndevelopers make those decisions right once
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then be able to leave them alone\Nwithout it having bite them later.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think a lot of projects have faced that\Nsituation, where the non technical
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,politics of their projects are under the\Ncontrol of people who are
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not members of the community, not really.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that has really happened to Linux.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that the Linux non technical\Npolitics are out of the hands of
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the developers and it's a very sad thing,\Nfrom my point of view
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the companies control those\Npolitics
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they don't keep developers out\Nentirely, but they gate keep
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from letting certain developers into the\Npolitics of what's really going on in the
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,non technical space.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've met many Linux developers who feel\Ndisenfranchised.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's why Conservancy has a GPL enforcement\Nproject for Linux.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because they've come to us to ask for\Nsomeone who has a charitable mission
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do the right thing for the public good,\Nas opposed to the what companies want.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that's what these charities serve.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look at any of these charities that\Nwe have out there,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Conservancy, Software in the Public\NInterest, FSF,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they do things for hobbyist developers\Nthat are the morally right thing to do
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but are sometimes controversial
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that developers actually really need,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe sometimes don't want to spend too\Nmuch time on
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they're more interested in other\Nthings,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but companies and trade associations don't\Nneed them and in fact
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they often oppose them.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I said, we're doing at Conservancy the\NGPL enforcement for Linux
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it is not in the business interest\Nof the companies who invest in Linux
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see the GPL enforced.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In many cases they actually oppose it\Nbeing enforced at all.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which brings me to copyleft generally.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My last talk to all of you was at DebConf\N10,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I told you about GPL v3 and how\Nwonderful it is and
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how much I respected Debian's commitment\Nto copyleft.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now that's not to say everything in the\Narchive is copyleft, I would guess that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most things in the archive aren't, as it\Nturns out.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there are many, many important things\Nin Debian's archive that are copylefted
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and many Debian meta-projects that you\Nrely on every day as part of your
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,development that you have chosen to\Ncopyleft.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I see Debian as a strongly connected\Nproject to the broader copyleft community
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I am heavily involved in.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Excessively involved in you might say.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The organisation I work for is funding\Na lawsuit, here in Germany
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against VMware for violating the GPL for\Na very long time and refusing to comply.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christoph Hellwig is the plaintiff. It is\Nin a Berlin court.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Till Jaeger is his lawyer and you have to\Nread the FAQ.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am, admittedly, not as comfortable with\Nthe German legal system as the US.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am used to the US where everything is\Npublic.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The German legal system doesn't work\Nthat way.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I respect the cultural difference and\Ntherefore we put what we could in the FAQ
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you could go read it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you were hoping to hear all about\Nthe VMware lawsuit in this talk this is
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the only slide that covers it, sorry to\Nsay.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can load your browser and look at the\NFAQ I guess.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The interesting thing that I can talk\Nabout is the aftermath in the politics in
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the community that I think a lot of\Npeople, even people in this room got wrong
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what was going to happen after we\Nsued VMware.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have myself been a little bit surprised\Nthat the response by many for profit
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies (in the back channels, this has \Nnot been in press releases, obviously)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been to attempt to eradicate copyleft\Nentirely, or at the very least
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stop its enforcement.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At this point, for anybody who wants to\Nmake a strong commitment like Christoph,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like me, to spend a lot of time enforcing\NGPL, it is an extremely, politically
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,treacherous decision.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have people in our GPL enforcement\Nproject for Linux at Conservancy who
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,insist on anonymity because they are\Nterrified it will affect their ability to
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get jobs, and other things if they're even\Nheard to be talking to people who do
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enforcement.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think what's happened is that the people\Nwho have always been against copyleft
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,subtly and quietly now see there's some\Nchinks in the armour.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are very few people still enforcing\Nthe copyleft.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The only two organisations doing it as\Npart of a charity are the FSF and
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Conservany.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a time for the sharks to circle and\Nsee if they can finish off the rest.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what I think is happening.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, this matters to you.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even if you don't care that much about\Ncopyleft, it matters.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ubuntu was violating your copyrights for\Ntwo years.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They had a trademark policy that\Ncontradicted the GPL.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a violation of the GPL.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Free Software Foundation and\NConservacy worked very, very hard for two
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years to get it resolved.\NIt's been resolved.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The trademark policy, as it stands - you\Ncan read the statements on both
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Conservancy and FSF's websites - is in\Ncompliance with the GPL.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm glad that Canonical eventually did the\Nright thing.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, you've got to read the\Nfine print.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because what they've done is they've said\N"Well, by using this trump clause thing to
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comply", it means that all the non\Ncopylefted software (from Debian which of
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,course then ends up in Ubuntu) is then\Npropitiatorized, effectively, when it goes
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into Ubuntu, because all these additional\Nrestrictions and terms in the trademark
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,policy that are contradictory to copyleft,\Nthe trump clause passes them out for
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,copyleft so you can't have those\Ncontradicting copyleft, but they happily
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't contradict the two clause BSD\Nlicense, or the Apache software license or
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,various other licenses.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot is being proprietarized, now it's\Ntotally permissible by the copyright
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,license, but I would encourage everyone\Nin the Debian community to think about
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how much you like that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because your goal is to make everything in\Nmain be DFSG free, but when it gets into
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ubuntu main it automatically (if it's not\Ncopylefted) falls under this trademark
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,policy that's unfriendly to free software\Nand I would argue DFSG non-free.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we're facing some really tough\Nchallenges.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe free software has been largely\Nco-opted by for profit companies.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's why I still say free software and\Nnot open source, because I think
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,source (I actually agree with RMS about\Nthis) is a term that allows companies to
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take the good parts they want from free\Nsoftware and leave the political stuff
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that many of us care about and still be\Nable to exploit it for their own purposes.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Meanwhile, Debian is a hugely important\Npolitical part of what's happening.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because Debian is this really important\Nnon-commercial project.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Probably the largest non-commercial\Nproject of it's kind that's still
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,extremely relevant in the free software\Ncommunity.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your long history and your good governance\Nhave insulated you from a lot of these
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,politics that have happened in other\Nprojects.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's happened to OpenStack would never\Nhappen to Debian, because you're too
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,old for it to happen to you.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just kinda nice that it works out\Nthat way.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's some usefulness in being old.\N[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Eventually the pressure will catch up to\Nyou.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Somebody's going to do it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Canonical just tried it and didn't succeed\Nthanks to the fact that we stopped them
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but someone else will come along and try\Nto do it next.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's just a harbinger of things to\Ncome at this point and copyleft is going
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to matter more and more to Debian as time\Ngoes on because it is the thing standing
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between these kinds of manoeuvres and\Nfree software.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I always see Debian as a key building\Nblock of other free software.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People build stuff on top of Debian all\Nthe time.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I find in my work investigating GPL\Nviolations plenty of times where it's a
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Debian system they just took and then\Ngave no source code and moved it into a
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,product and violated the GPL.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That means that people who are powerful\Nand corrupt will want to control it,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's essential and if they could\Nsomehow take control of Debian they could
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,control a lot of the software world.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think they can't get control of you,\Nbecause of the way you're organised, but
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that doesn't mean they're not going to\Ntry.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I think that is so successful because\NDebian has always been about people.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The decision to make the Debian Developer\N- and I know it's different know, but
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,originally the Debian Developer was the\Npinnacle of how you became part of this
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community, you passed your Debian\NDeveloper stuff, which I've never been
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,able to pass, because I'm lame - but I\Nalways believe that people oriented
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,manner of operating was essential to how\Nthat worked.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now since that first DebConf, I admit I've\Nnot spent much of my time with developers,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,certainly not as much as I would have\Nliked.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I spend most of my time around lawyers and\Nbusiness people in the last 13 or 14 years
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they look at Debian or in fact any\Nfree software very differently.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Most of these people look at it not about\Nthe people, they see people as basically
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fungible - any developer's good as the\Nnext, right? From a business person's
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perspective.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the assets that sit there, things like\Ncopyrights.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That they look at as the output of Debian,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the value that Debian generates.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a certain technical correctness\Nto that, it's like until you write
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something down it doesn't exist, kind of\Nthing,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the fact that Debian generates\Ncopyrights as you all are doing your work,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,packaging packages, writing documentation,\Neverything that you do.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the record of what you did, which\Nis then copyrightable, so there's a
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,certain logic to this lawyer's way of\Nlooking at Debian, so say
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh, it's just the assets. There's some\Ntrademarks, some copyrights yada yada"
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I think you should all think about in\Nresponse to that is maybe there's some
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,value to that, maybe you should leverage\Nthe assets we have as a way to fight for
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ourselves, fight for good cause of free\Nsoftware.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The one way to look at copyleft is and\Nthis is one I like almost the best,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that it's really just a mechanism to\Nleverage assets, which lots of us agree
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shouldn't exist - I'm not a fan of\Ncopyright by any means, but you take those
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,assets that are forced upon you basically\Nby the system we live in and try to
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,utilize them in some novel way to maximise\Nfairness and goodness and benefit to other
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wrote an essay years ago with Richard\NStallman about this, about how the power
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to chose a license on software is this\Ninappropriate power that people shouldn't
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get. They get it anyway, so the only thing\Nwe can do is make a good choice about our
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,licenses to neutralise the power we should\Nnever have been given to start with.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I often talk about this as using the tools\Nof the oppressor against the oppressor.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we're going to do that, that means we\Nhave to look at every tool they use with
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regard to copyright.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've generally just looked at the\Nlicensing tool.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The tool of "what license do I put on my\Nsoftware", that's how I'll do it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll put a copyleft license so that I'm\Ndefending software freedom by putting
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a copyleft licence on my code, but I think\NDebian could go even further and use these
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tools in additional ways to help defend\Nsoftware freedom.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With that, I'd like to announce a thing\Nthat Conservancy is doing for Debian.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was officially put into place in\NApril.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We waited to announce it until my keynote\Nhere because we knew I was going to be
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,keynoting.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's an agreement that has been signed\Nbetween the DPL and the Conservancy
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to offer the following services to the\NDebian project,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of which are optional to all Debian\NDevelopers.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a programme begun under the Software\NFreedom Conservancy, and we recognise
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that as a member of SPI we asked SPI if\Nit's ok if we did this before we did it
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we wanted to make sure we weren't\Noffending your other charity organisation
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the United States, and they agreed that\Nthis was fine.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It permits any Debian Developer who would\Nlike to, to optionally, and in a
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,configurable way, assign any copyrights in\Ntheir Debian related works to Conservancy
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they would like to.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they don't want to do that, it also\Npermits them, if they would like, to sign
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an enforcement agreement with Conservancy,\Nto ask Conservancy to enforce free
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software licenses on behalf of that\Ndeveloper and that's an agreement that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be cancelled, I'll talk more about\Nthat in a minute.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Probably of the most interest to a lot of\Nyou because it's going to come up the most
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,often is Conservancy will provide\Nlicensing support and advice on an ongoing
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basis for the Debian Project, and I'll\Ntalk more later on how we're going to
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The whole reason this exists is because a\Nkey Debian contributor came to us and
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,asked us to do it and we were happy to do\Nit, and I'll talk about who that was in a
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,few minutes.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First, I felt I have to talk about this,\Nbecause I've spend a lot of years lately,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in fact the last time I was in Germany, I\Nwas here to debate Mark Shuttleworth about
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,copyright assignment.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fact that I've just pitched to you\Nthat copyright assignment is now available
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for Debian Developers I'm sure is probably\Nleaving you to wonder a little bit.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's certainly true that the kinds of\Nproblems that I'm talking about
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes come out from the fact that\Nfor profit companies come to
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free software developers and convince\Nthem to assign copyright to that company
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or they ask them to sign some\Nheavyweight contributor license
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agreement which has the almost legal\Nidentical effect of a copyright assignment
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason they do that is because they\Nwant to, usually, make proprietary
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,versions of those copyrighted works, or\Notherwise exploit them in some way
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the free software license, that they\Nwould have got anyway,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would not allow them to do.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm against all that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm opposed to using copyright\Nassignment in that way.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then when I think about the original\Nmotivations of copyleft it always was
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,using tools that were not totally\Ncomfortable with existing at all
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against themselves. So why not look at\Ncopyright assignment this way:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you only assign your copyright to\Ncharities that take a good strong stand
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for software freedom you be able to\Nmaximize the benefits of your
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,copyrights allowing an organization that,\Nsay, enforces the GPL or otherwise
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to do the right things with those\Ncopyrights to advance software freedom
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can help that work along by doing\Nthat.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other point I want to make is that\Nthe only reason those nefarious uses
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of copyright assignment can ever work\Nis because they collect 100%
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of copyright.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think no project should have\Nconsolidated copyright at 100%
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any more. I think that's an antiquated\Nway of thinking.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would encourage Debian to have multi\Ncopyright held forever which it probably
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will. There will never be a single\Ncopyright holder of Debian I'm sure.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even if you just took the parts that\NDebian developers had contributed,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not all of them are going to sign to\None entity.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even if a few Debian developers assign\Nto Conservancy or many there will still be
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a nice diverse copyright base which I\Nthink creates a healthy community.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a very sad but simply true reason\Nthat copyright assignment is important.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is from the Debian history file.\NWe've lost people in our community.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will lose more as time goes on.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Most of this community is very young but\NI'm ageing and we are all ageing at the
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,same rate, more or less.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You need to think about that question.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What happens if something happens to\Nme.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What happens to my contributions to\Nthe community?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do they do?\NWhere do they go?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we should think about that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've had to talk to developers heirs on\Nthe phone to get licensing problems
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fixed. It's one of the most horrible things\NI've ever had to do on my job.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Think for yourself about: do you want\Nyour heirs or people who are in charge
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of your copyrights when you pass\Nhaving to do that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other less sad problem is that\Npeople forget to take care of things.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They put them off, especially when they\Nare boring and annoying.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So things like copyright enforcement or\Ncopyleft enforcement tends
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not to happen.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know from my years and years of\Nexperience doing it that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are constantly hundreds and\Nhundreds of violations all the time.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of them are urgent, more or less,\Nbecause they are all really
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hurting users.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know about you, but when\Nyou have a bug queue
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where every single bug is critical,\Nnone of them are critical, right?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because then it's ,like, over, the project\Nis screwed.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's how GPL enforcement has felt for\Nyears and years and years.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While you can think about how having\Nyour own copyrights is my privilege
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(29:02)