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Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Bradley Kuhn] I have to be honest\NI'm really honored to be here
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't say that to just every conference\NI care a lot about Debian
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is my 3rd DebConf I've ever been to.\N
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There have been a lot of them so I \Nobviously haven't been to that many
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I was at DebConf1
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just learned today that it was zero\Nbased so that it wasn't the first DebConf
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I should have known but didn't for\Nsome reason.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was at the 2nd DebConf by accident\Nsomewhat because I was going to
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Libre Software Meeting and just\Nhappened to
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,book my flights so that I could be at\NDebConf as well
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I gave a regular track talk at DebConf10\Nabout the GPL v3
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it was in New York City where I\Nwas living at the time
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here I'm giving an invited speaker talk or\Nkeynote or whatever else it is called here
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That really means a lot to me.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a fan of Debian, I'm a user of Debian.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't actually consider myself part of\Nthe Debian community
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because other than filing a few bugs\Nover the years
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I haven't contributed all that much to\NDebian but I've relied on it and used it
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and been a fan of it for so long\Nthat I really love your project.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I am really honored to be invited to\Nspeak here
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I really believe that Debian is a\Nvery special project for a lot of reasons.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all, it has thrived for longer\Nthan almost any free software project
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in existence in a lot of ways. \NThere are top 10 lists of projects that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Debian is certainly on as far as longevity\Ngoes, maybe the top 5
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's governance is one of the few\Ndemocratically elected and
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,democratically controlled\Ngovernance processes in free software
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone is a fan of talking about this\N'benevolent dictator' stuff
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I think is really horrible\NThe fact that somebody would call
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,themselves a 'self appointed benevolent\Ndictator for life' is really disturbing.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are democratic.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You elect your leadership.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have referendums on major issues\Nthat everyone can vote on.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is amazingly rare, impressive\Nand important for free software.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other thing that really impresses me,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in particular being somebody from the\Nnon-profit world,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that Debian has been staunchly\Nnon-commercial for it's entire existence.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course I don't mean that Debian\Ncan't be used in commercial settings.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DFSG free means that things can be put\Ninto commercial products.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I mean is that the project itself has\Nalways been non-commercial,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,meaning that the people that work on it\Nare volunteering,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, even if their employers are paying\Nthem to work on it,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are part of a community and not\Ndoing their work inside Debian as
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,officially part of some\Ncommercial activity.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Most free software projects these days\Nare controlled by
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some commercial entity or another.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Debian is not.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was at Debconf1 which was really\Nexciting for me.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was a young executive director of\NFree Software.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I showed this picture to Karen Sandler who\NI work with and said how different I look.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She said I don't look different at all,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, speaking as the person that looks\Nat that face in the mirror every morning,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are a lot more lines on my face\Nthan there.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is a smooth looking baby face that I\Nhad 14 years ago that I don't have anymore
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was pretty casual back then.\NI'm not in short trousers any more.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's hard to see and you can see it in\Nsome of the other photos that I was.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even in this heat like this I haven't\Nworn short trousers in a very long time.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's that? [bdale heckles]
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bdale, I was thinking about mentioning you\Nand now I have to because you are heckling
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,me [laughter]. Bdale is the one adult\Nin the room who can dress like
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody else but I can't pull it off
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I respect Bdale that he can. \NThe tie-dye still works for him.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I stopped wearing t-shirts years ago\Nat conferences
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and here I'm sweating in my long sleeves\Nhalfway between hacker and suit attire.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there [in the photo] I'm talking to\NMartin Michmayer
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to do questions at the end Lars,\Nif that's ok.\N
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not good with questions because I\Nget off topic easy.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I left 17 minutes at the end for questions\Nwhich Bdale just took 3 of [laughter]
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There I'm talking to Martin Michlmayer\Nwhen I first met him.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of things have changed since I\Nlooked at this photo.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But one thing that hasn't changed,\Nyou see this face that Martin is making.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He still makes that face at me every time\NI talk to him, which sort of says like
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You do not know what you are talking\Nabout". That hasn't changed, which is good
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]. I'm glad he is laughing in the\Nback there.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some things have stayed the same.\NMartin still thinks I'm full of it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I probably am, so that's ok.\NI like people to keep me honest.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Other than jokes, the thing that hasn't\Nreally changed since I was first
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,introduced to the Debian community, in\Nperson, back in 2001,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the ethos of this community is still\Nthe same one that I remember
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though a lot of the developers\Nhave changed.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I talked to somebody who had never\Neven installed Debian when they were at
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DebConf1. I talked to someone who was\N12 years old at the time of DebConf1.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I find it impressive that what I call the\N'morality of the hobbyist contributor'
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still lives strongly in Debian.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The people in Debian want to do what is\Nright for other people -
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their users, co-developers,\Nco-contributors.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They also volunteer to do that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I said before, that doesn't mean that\Nthey aren't being paid to do their work.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the classic free software thing: lots\Nof people get paid to write free software.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I've seen recently, in many free\Nsoftware projects, is that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies have used that. I think\NOpenStack is one of the worst examples
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this. To control the project by hiring\Nlots of it's developers.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have this kindof pull over the\Nproject. I think that a lot of people that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work at OpenStack would say they are\Nemployers employee first and an
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OpenStack contributor second.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know anyone in Debian who would\Nnot say 'I am a Debian developer' first
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I happen to be employed as a\Nsecond issue.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Debian is their first priority.\NTheir job is their second.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That hobbyist culture of 'my volunteer\Nwork matters more to me than
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what actually pays me for a living'\Nis the kind of mentality that I am such a
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fan of. I try to live that in my own work\Nas well.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like interacting with the community.\NI usually find conferences very stressful.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This one I do not find as stressful\Nother than I'm standing in a room with a
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,huge number of people. Other than that\NI don't find it stressful
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this is the kind of community\Nthat thinks that way.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think a lot of it has to do with the\Nother structures you have set up around
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yourselves. The idea of having charities\Nthat you work with
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which you have chosen to do a multi\Ncharity situation where you have lots
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the world that you can interact\Nwith.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of them was founded by a Debian\Ndeveloper initially.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You reach out to other partnerships or\Ncharities as a non-commercial community
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That allows you to have an infrastructure\Nthat you can rely on that helps
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you maintain that community.\NI'm very glad that you do that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I used to work for the FSF and am still on\Nthe board of directors.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Early in the project Debian was more or\Nless a GNU project for a while.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was part of the FSF. I know that\Nrelationship has never been perfect
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes rocky and sometimes better,\Nbut the FSF saw this in Debian too
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very early on. That it was a really\Nimportant way to begin the whole
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distribution thing of free software and \Nthat culture was a match with
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,FSF's culture.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know where the issues are and I'm\Nsure John is here to talk about them.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think there is a lot of cultural\Nconnect between FSF and Debian.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a little obsessed about this quote.\NI saw it in real time.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was subscribed to comp.os.minux in Aug\Nof '91 when it was posted
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Part of it was that when I started working\Nfor the FSF I started thinking about it
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the FSF when I worked there had 7\Nemployees and still has under 20
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not big.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I don't think of it as big and I guess\Nstrictly speaking,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since the FSF is a very professional\Norganisation, and to take the
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strict definition professional means you\Nget paid to do this thing,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you do it for a living - yes, the FSF\Nstaff are professionals
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in all the ways you might use the word\Nprofessional,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I don't think that's what Linus\Nwas going for in this quote
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think he meant those normal things\Nabout professional
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think what he was going for is he was\Ntrying to create Linux back when he was\Nhumble
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because people forget Linus used to be\Nreally humble. Once upon a time.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know... ok. I think some of his\Nearly posts were humble
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we can debate that I suppose.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the things that Linus understood\Nwell was that he wanted to create
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a project where individuals collaborated\Ntogether in their own capacity.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He wanted a hobbyist kind of culture and\Nwas interested in that kind of culture.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that what he got wrong was not\Nrealising how important charities are
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to that culture and I think Debian has\Nalways got that right.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've always interacted with charities\Nin good ways.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think you keep them at arms length,\Nwhich is OK and reasonable, but
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've always seen the value,\Nalways seen the connection between being
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a non-commercial hobbyist controlled\Nproject, very professional I think, but
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still hobbyist controlled in a sense that\Nyou are volunteers doing the right things
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for everyone in your community.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the same time reaching out to these\Ncharities and letting them help you
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get done what you need to get do in the\Nlogistical world outside of your project.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I've seen in other projects that\NDebian has not suffered from
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the politics of the projects have\Nbifurcated.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's the technical politics which is\Nthe usual arguments about
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this technology verses that technology
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say, systemd verses upstart, something\Nlike that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that, I think in almost every project\Nstill remains under developer control.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People who are developers decide\Ntechnical decisions like that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the political governance in most other\Nprojects has been hijacked in my view.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By various different groups, depending on\Nthe project
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but usually some mix of lawyers or\Nbusiness type people who are somehow
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in for profit companies or industry\Nassociations,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have taken over the political\Ngovernance.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason they've succeeded in doing this\NI think is because most developers
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,care deeply about the technical politics,\Nbut not so much about the other politics.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They want to make those decisions once\Nand leave them alone.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of my work in Conservancy is to help\Ndevelopers make those decisions right once
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then be able to leave them alone\Nwithout it having bite them later.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think a lot of projects have faced that\Nsituation, where the non technical
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,politics of their projects are under the\Ncontrol of people who are
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not members of the community, not really.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that has really happened to Linux.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that the Linux non technical\Npolitics are out of the hands of
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the developers and it's a very sad thing,\Nfrom my point of view
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the companies control those\Npolitics
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they don't keep developers out\Nentirely, but they gate keep
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from letting certain developers into the\Npolitics of what's really going on in the
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,non technical space.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've met many Linux developers who feel\Ndisenfranchised.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's why Conservancy has a GPL enforcement\Nproject for Linux.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because they've come to us to ask for\Nsomeone who has a charitable mission
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do the right thing for the public good,\Nas opposed to the what companies want.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that's what these charities serve.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look at any of these charities that\Nwe have out there,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Conservancy, Software in the Public\NInterest, FSF,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they do things for hobbyist developers\Nthat are the morally right thing to do
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but are sometimes controversial
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that developers actually really need,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe sometimes don't want to spend too\Nmuch time on
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they're more interested in other\Nthings,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but companies and trade associations don't\Nneed them and in fact
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they often oppose them.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I said, we're doing at Conservancy the\NGPL enforcement for Linux
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it is not in the business interest\Nof the companies who invest in Linux
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see the GPL enforced.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In many cases they actually oppose it\Nbeing enforced at all.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which brings me to copyleft generally.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My last talk to all of you was at DebConf\N10,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I told you about GPL v3 and how\Nwonderful it is and
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how much I respected Debian's commitment\Nto copyleft.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now that's not to say everything in the\Narchive is copyleft, I would guess that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most things in the archive aren't, as it\Nturns out. (14:00)