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Netscape Mozilla Documentary 1998 - 2000 Project Code Rush - Creative Commons licence CC BY-NC-SA 3.0

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    Ik spreek heel veel mensen die hier komen…
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    … op zoek naar de Silicon Valley-ervaring.
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    Ze komen aan met één koffer in de hand…
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    … onderweg in zuidelijke richting op de 101.
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    Ze hopen de plek te zien waarover ze hebben gehoord…
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    … en zijn snelwegen, zijn bedrijvenparken…
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    … en zijn winkelcentra, en…
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    … het ziet er net zo uit als alle plaatsen waar ze ooit zijn geweest.
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    Uiteindelijk vragen ze zich af waar ze zijn beland…
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    … waarom ze hier zijn gekomen…
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    … wat hen hier heeft gebracht.
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    Code zelf is het onderliggende gedeelte dat computers laat werken.
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    Waarom het voor de wereld belangrijk is, is…
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    … omdat dit het bloed is van het organisme dat nu onze cultuur is.
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    Het zorgt ervoor dat alles werkt.
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    Technologie is nu een god van onze maatschappij geworden.
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    Ik bedoel, ik denk dat mensen er bang voor zijn…
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    … en bang zijn voor mensen die het maken.
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    Er is een gevoel dat software een soort nieuwe grens is.
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    Het is de oude metafoor van het goudzoeken…
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    … een herbeleving van de ‘California gold rush’.
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    Het is het soort Hollywood van de jaren twintig.
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    Deze hele kleine groep mensen definieert eigenlijk…
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    … hoe onze wereld eruit gaat zien.
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    Ik bedoel, je weet dat de computer alomvertegenwoordigd raakt…
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    … en de manier waarop we een wisselwerking met de wereld hebben.
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    Meer en meer bemiddeld door de computer…
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    … definieert deze hele kleine groep mensen…
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    … hoe de wereld eruit gaat zien.
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    Netscape!
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    Overal!
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    Team!
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    Vechten!
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    Minder dan drie jaar geleden…
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    … maakte een klein team van engineers bij Netscape Communications…
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    … software die surfen op het internet makkelijk maakte…
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    … en in dit proces het gezicht van computergebruik veranderde.
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    Op deze dag zit het bedrijf echter in grote problemen…
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    … in de ellende gestort door zijn rivaal en softwaregigant Microsoft.
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    Alleen een radicale strategie kan het helpen redden.
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    “Laat een harde Mozilla horen!”
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    Mozilla! Mozilla! Mozilla!
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    Netscape geeft zijn broncode weg…
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    … aan programmeurs buiten het bedrijf.
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    De broncode is de geheime formule voor het webbrowsen.
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    De code wordt Mozilla genoemd, en als het breed wordt aangewend…
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    … zal het de code van Netscape de internetstandaard maken…
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    … gebruikers tot zijn andere producten aantrekken…
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    … en de inzakkende toekomst van het bedrijf herstellen.
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    Ons verhaal richt zich op het team van engineers…
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    … die in dit gebouw samenkomen.
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    In de loop van het volgende jaar…
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    … zullen zij hun levens ondersteboven zetten om Mozilla te maken…
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    … en strijd te voeren met een reusachtige concurrent om hun bedrijf te redden…
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    … en de toekomst van computergebruik vorm te geven.
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    Op dit moment hebben we een probleem met het werk. Het lijkt erop dat het onmogelijk is…
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    … om het voor de aangekondigde datum af te krijgen…
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    … dus we proberen gewoon…
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    … wat dieper in te gaan op hoe ver we ten dode zijn opgeschreven.
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    En soms is de enige manier hiervoor…
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    … om iedereen in de kamer te krijgen en elkaar recht in de ogen te kijken.
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    We zeiden dat we ze Netscape Communicator op 31 maart zouden geven…
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    … dus als we ze Netscape Communicator niet op 31 maart geven…
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    … moeten we daar op een of andere manier iets aan te doen.
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    Het doel is om Mozilla op 31 maart bij ontwikkelaars te krijgen…
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    … enkele weken vanaf nu.
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    Het is een van de meest ambitieuze planningen in de bedrijfsgeschiedenis.
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    - Het is een grap
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    - Ik denk dat we heel exclusief zijn geweest
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    Michael Toy, een van Netscape’s eerste werknemers…
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    …leidt het team dat Mozilla voorbereidt voor publieke vrijgave.
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    We gaan er waarschijnlijk aan, dit gaat waarschijnlijk niet lukken.
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    Microsoft verplettert ons waarschijnlijk toch wel als een kever…
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    … maar dat we eraan gaan betekent niet…
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    … dat we ’s ochtends niet kunnen opstaan en werken.
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    Opstaan alstublieft…
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    … de geachte Michael Toy zit ons voor.
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    Ik ben nogal kortaf tegen mijn kinderen over wat ik doe.
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    “Wat doe je op het werk, pap?” “Oh ik weet niet, ik zit in vergaderingen…”
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    “… en ik voel me depressief en ik lees e-mail”.
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    Oh oh, je hebt me geraakt!
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    Maar ze denken toch dat mijn kantoor de beste plek ter wereld is.
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    Het gaat zo van “Oh, ging je naar kantoor?”
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    “Oh ja, jippie, ik ga graag naar je kantoor!”
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    Ze spelen met de geweren en er is gratis frisdrank…
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    … en er zijn grote ballen.
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    In feite werk ik wat hen betreft bij Disneyland.
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    Ik heb het over marathon versus sprint.
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    Het moeilijke gedeelte is om de hele weg met voldoende energie te lopen…
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    … wetende dat als je ooit gaat wandelen…
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    … je het niet gaat halen en alleen het einde in zicht houdt…
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    … en weet dat er haast bij is.
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    Jim Roskind, een expert in softwarebeveiliging…
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    … wordt ingebracht om rigoureuze standaarden in engineeringprecisie af te dwingen.
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    Stel je voor dat je een project had…
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    … waarbij je voelt dat verdoemenis aanstaande is.
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    Alle verschillende spelers vragen zich af…
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    Wordt er meer verwacht dan wat ze kunnen?
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    Kunnen ze iets bedenken om sneller te gaan?
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    Kan iemand ze helpen?
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    Er is dus een hoop spanning…
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    … en angst voor het halen van de planning.
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    Jamie Zawinski, evangelist voor vrije broncode…
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    … zal externe ontwikkelaars binnenhalen voor de zaak van Netscape.
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    Het vrijebrongebeuren probeert de regels te veranderen, toch?
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    Er zijn mensen die de vrijesoftware-religie aanhangen…
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    … het enige dat ze gemeen hebben is dat het allemaal hackers zijn.
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    Ze houden allemaal van code schrijven…
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    … dus je hoopt al die intelligente mensen te bereiken…
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    … en iets van ze te verkrijgen, weet je, zodat iedereen kan profiteren.
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    Ik praat over twee miljoen, twee en een half miljoen regels code…
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    … en stuk voor stuk moeten ze worden nagelopen…
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    … voorzichtig en in enkele gevallen twee keer.
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    Met honderden engineers die samenkomen bij Mozilla…
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    … met nieuwe code om de release te halen…
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    … zorgt Tara Hernandez ervoor…
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    … dan hun wijzigingen Mozilla niet laten crashen…
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    … en het werk van iedereen laten stagneren.
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    Dit is een manier om bij te houden…
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    … welke wijzigingen worden doorgevoerd.
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    Groen is goed.
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    Hier vinden een hoop wijzigingen plaats…
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    … en bam, de build wordt afgebroken.
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    Ok, prima, dag.
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    We gaan eraan.
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    Sommige van de ergste crashes zijn voor Scott Collins gereserveerd.
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    Een veteraan in code schrijven die stand-by staat…
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    … voor nachtelijke probleemoplossing.
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    Ik ben hier nu zo’n…
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    … ik weet het niet, 60 uur of zo.
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    Software schrijven is anders dan…
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    … vastgoed verkopen.
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    Bij vastgoed verkopen verkoop je aan mensen…
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    … en de mensen slapen ’s nachts.
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    Als ze gaan slapen, moet je stoppen met vastgoed verkopen.
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    Computers slapen nooit.
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    Je ziet dat mijn werkplek wat uitgedoster is dan…
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    … die van anderen.
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    Ik heb een leuke bank…
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    … daaronder een kleine matras waarop ik kan slapen…
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    … kunstwerken van mijn kinderen…
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    … ik kan de lichten bedienen.
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    Dit wil ik graag krijgen; als mijn vrouw echt van me houdt…
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    … mag ik er een hebben.
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    Het leven is goed.
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    OK
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    Bugs tellen.
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    Goed, hier zijn iets van 1000 bugs…
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    waar mensen niets aan doen.
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    Om haar code vrij te geven…
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    … moeten Netscape-engineers duizenden bugs verhelpen.
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    Vaak kleine wijzigingen waardoor de code…
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    door ontwikkelaars van buitenaf kan worden gebruikt.
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    Jeff Weinstein heeft er een, twee,…
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    … drie, vier, vijf, zes,…
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    zeven, acht, negen, tien,…
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    … elf, twaalf, dertien.
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    Eén bug in de massa aan code…
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    … kan het werk van alle anderen tegenhouden…
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    … en de vrijgavedatum bedreigen.
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    Ik wil dat iemand Jeff Weinstein oppiept…
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    … en hem 2024 laat bellen.
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    Zelfs bij een team van twintig mensen die een auto bouwen…
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    is het makkelijk om een paar stappen opzij te doen en te zeggen…
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    “Wacht eens, die gozer zet er geen stuur in”.
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    Er zijn veertig programmeurs aan het werk…
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    … die allemaal met code bij je aankomen, een gigantisch moeras…
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    … van kleine details, opgestapeld op een schijf.
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    Meestal kun je niet eens zien of alle delen het goed doen.
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    Je moet het als geheel in elkaar zetten…
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    … en daarna kijken of het geheel werkt…
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    … en dan nog weet je niet zeker van wie de slechte bits afkomstig zijn.
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    Dat zou jammer zijn. Kom, we gaan naar beneden!
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    Je hebt het over een recept.
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    Wie heeft het slechte meel gegeven.
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    Iemand is meel gaan malen…
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    … en alle deeltjes ervan moesten exact…
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    … de juiste grootte hebben.
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    Iemand anders heeft chocoladeschilfers gemaakt…
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    … die allemaal even groot moesten zijn.
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    Je ziet het niet voordat het in elkaar is gezet.
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    Je deelt het uit en mensen zeggen…
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    “Ik vind dit niet lekker”
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    En dan moet je je afvragen…
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    … in alle details die samenkomen…
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    … welk deel was het probleem…
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    … wie was de oorzaak van het probleem, en hoe herstel je het?
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    Je moet op een bepaald moment vrijgeven.
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    En nu zijn er al die mensen…
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    … de tijd tikt en het wordt aardig intens.
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    Sinds Netscape begon…
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    … is de hoeveelheid code die Mozilla maakt…
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    … met een factor 30 toegenomen.
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    Het programmeer- en debugwerk…
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    … berust op een wankel evenwicht van wetenschap en kunst.
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    Ze praten over wat ze doen alsof…
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    … het een soort alchemie is, een soort tovenarij.
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    Het doet me zo denken aan atletiek.
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    Weet je waarom iemand een goede slagman is?
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    Vaak kunnen de slagmensen het zelf niet echt uitleggen.
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    En vaak kunnen de beste softwaremakers zelf…
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    … niet begrijpen waarom ze er zo goed in zijn.
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    Ik denk dat een goede programmeur als techneut is opgevoed.
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    Ik denk dat bij mijn team bij Netscape iedereen als techneut is opgegroeid.
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    We zijn allemaal opgegroeid met computers ergens om ons heen…
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    … zodat we eraan werden blootgesteld voordat we…
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    volwassen werden, als iemand van ons dat al echt is.
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    Jim is de meest volwassene van ons.
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    Een groot deel van mijn jeugd tussen ongeveer 6 en 17 jaar…
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    … vond hier plaats.
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    Het leven was gewoon een nachtmerrie, dit een is heel gevaarlijke plek.
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    De middelbare school was niet zo slecht.
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    Ah, but it meant it
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    you'd get to work on puzzles and problems.
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    All of the puzzling is math,
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    and that puzzling is the exact same feeling
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    the exact same problem that you go through
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    when you're programming.
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    When I was young it'd be building with erector sets and Lego
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    now the structures that you build are in software.
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    My mom is a first class geek too.
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    And so I have a unique experience of being able to talk
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    shop with my mom, cuz' she's a director of
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    really important stuff at Sun.
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    At Netscape one of the code words for is the average person
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    who is going to be able to use this software is,
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    "Well can my mom use it?"
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    Yeah, my mom can use it.
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    My mom can write optimizing compilers.
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    By the time I was 12 years old I was making 50 bucks an hour
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    programming computers.
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    People say what should I be should I grow up to be a...
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    I say computer programmer.
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    The thing about that makes it a youth culture
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    is one's capacity to throw one's entire life on the line
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    with these firms
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    Entire life commitment meaning
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    24-7-365 work commitment.
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    It's throwing yourself into a thing
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    where you don't know if that job
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    is going to be around soon.
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    There's no stability in here.
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    So the very kind of weird irony
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    is that very people who are inventing the future
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    can't see their own future.
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    This is a monk-life existence
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    there are very few women in these societies.
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    These are male societies,
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    they are secret societies,
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    they function very much like the Masons
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    or some street gang.
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    Evil!
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    Evil! Evil!
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    Evil man!
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    Why am I an evil man?
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    Did you or did you not hear a man saying
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    if you have a source leaving one bug, you will be
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    in here at 1:30.
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    I thought it was 2:30
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    Now you're evil and stupid.
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    (laughs)
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    You now that, I'm actually just in a different time zone.
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    I thought stupidity was an excuse though.
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    A lot of people at Netscape don't get out much
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    because they're at work all the time but
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    most of people's social interaction I would expect is
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    revolves around work just because
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    so many people spend so much of their time at work.
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    Hi Chris, it's Tara
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    um, how much do you love me?
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    Good.
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    What do you know about way the threading stuff
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    that falls into Javascript stuff and Java makes it feed?
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    All we have left to hold on to, really
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    is the work place, I mean it is the modern village.
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    People get to know your history
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    they shrug at your bad jokes.
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    There's a kind of familiarity that
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    and continuity that we don't have elsewhere.
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    Paul
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    we're going go out in a while and get something to eat
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    and do stupid things. You're interested?
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    Sure. Sure. Right.
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    Ok, the purpose of this meeting is not to beat up people
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    the purpose of this meeting is to make sure that
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    as a company we are incredibly focused on
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    getting the bug count to 0
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    we've been moderately focused up until now
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    we need to be deadly focused
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    from here on in.
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    Ok Jeff Weinstein
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    is he in this room?
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    He's not in this room.
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    Did not check-in this weekend, true or false?
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    He did not check-in this weekend
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    He did not answer his mail
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    and he hasn't answered his phone yet either.
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    His locator shows he's with the rest of the colonists
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    (laughs)
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    The old saying is that trying to manage programmers
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    is like trying to herd cats.
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    You know you want them to be cats
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    if you like cats, I mean 'cause you want what's unique about
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    that creature
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    But they really don't all like to go in the same direction.
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    In less than four years
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    Netscape has grown from a handful of people
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    to over 200
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    and sometimes, locating a programmer
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    become yet another obstacle
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    for the browser team to overcome.
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    I'd say he's not in there.
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    That would be my guess, straight out.
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    He's not there.
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    When's the last time he was in here?
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    This afternoon.
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    Ok
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    Tara and I are ready to take a hit out on him.
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    and well if ya see him when he comes back tell him to
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    panic and run around and we're like
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    doomed on Mac right now with this thing.
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    Doomed!
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    The person working on Mac is like waiting for data right?
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    You should go around to every person in the company saying, "Doomed!"
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    Netscape predicament has much to do with this man
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    Bill Gates, whose company, Microsoft
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    has made him the richest, and arguably
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    the most powerful man in the world.
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    Allright if we can have order we'd like to begin.
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    Viewing Netscape's browser
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    as a potential threat to his computing empire
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    Gates has moved swiftly,
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    making his own browser free
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    and Netscape claims,
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    also engaging an unfair business practices
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    to take away its customers.
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    But we need to explore today
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    whether you and your company
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    have crossed the line
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    or on the other hand
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    whether this is just the carping of disgruntled rivals.
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    Netscape CEO Jim Barksdale
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    argues his company's case before the Senate.
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    And certainly nobody here on this panel is
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    a greater admirer of Mr. Gates
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    or his company than I am.
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    But we do ask that Microsoft
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    be held accountable
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    for some of their actions.
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    Actions that intimidate PC OEM manufacturers
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    to use their products and exclusionary practises
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    that prevent them from using my products.
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    Not all companies succeed.
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    Some fail to embrace change.
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    This is the way technology in the free market works.
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    The software industry's success
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    has not been driven by government regulation
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    but by freedom and the basic human desire
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    to learn, to innovate and to excel.
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    Meanwhile thousand of miles away
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    Netscape programmers continue working around the clock
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    in a race to meet Mozilla's release date.
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    These guys they tend to work very consistently,
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    so they'll just keep working until it's done and they won't stop.
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    They don't need food, they don't need sleep,
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    they don't need anything
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    OK, so they take pay, but...
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    A while ago some people from Harvard came and said
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    "Well how do you develop software, we're writing a book" and I
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    and I talked about all the things I thought
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    were really important and they were just
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    it felt to me like they were shaking their heads going,
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    Oh, gee, he doesn't know about Principle 7
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    and oh, he doesn't know about Principle 22
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    and in some ways they're right... I really haven't got a clue.
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    Right I really like to err on the side of
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    every day we wake up in the morning and say
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    based on what I know today
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    what's the best way to get to where we all want to go?
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    I personally or me and you three of us
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    do no have time to read all two millions of source code
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    to see that, there are no remaining problems.
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    We're going over here
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    zeroing in on Jeff Weinstein.
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    With March 31st only days away
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    the team can't proceed until Jeff Weinstein
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    an expert on some of Netscapes most arcane code
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    finds time to complete the bug fixes on his list.
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    How are you doing?
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    OK
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    Alright well
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    you are officially the most doomed
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    individual in the company sir
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    this one I can close, same with this one
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    yeah bunch of these
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    Um hopefully I'll get most of it done tonight
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    His goal he was just going to stay all night
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    and he was going to get it all done.
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    The good news is actually I think by about
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    I'm not sure if it was 9 or 11 o'clock at night
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    he actually was completely done.
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    Yeah!
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    Reaching a critical milestone
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    is cause for celebration.
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    And one bug left
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    and it's a really really hard one
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    Don't make me kill you, close 4330.
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    I will close 4330.
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    Bug count is small
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    there are some bugs that are not currently closed
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    but most of them are like piddly little annoying things that
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    Some of its stuck!
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    All praise the uh the mighty ones that created tremendous pile of
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    people working really hard this week to do the impossible.
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    There is this magic phrase that Michael Toy invented
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    which is "Zarro Boogs", hum
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    which is it's not quite perfect
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    but it's perfect enough
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    as zero bugs / "zarro boogs".
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    Do you have a spare monitor upstairs?
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    Yes I do have a spare monitor.
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    This is the first big test
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    Will an outsider actually be able to make Mozilla work?
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    If not Netscape stands a good chance of missing its March 31st deadline
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    I thought it's gonna be huge thing,
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    I thought it's gonna be like a hundred,
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    two hundred people here like all and rows
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    like with soviet style.
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    We are nowhere near that organized
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    Looks like it's all here, here we go!
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    Wow! All good, it's pretty simple how stuff is built.
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    It's just there's set of scripts that are set up
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    to say exactly what to compile and then
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    they all get globbed together into Mozilla hopefully.
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    - Here it is
    - Yeah
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    If you get it to work, then it means anybody can get it to work.
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    That's true.
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    (WILD CHEERING clapping laughter)
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    - And look It has an about face!
    - ...Look it's so cute...
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    - Oh, that was pretty
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    - Yeah it's...
    - No, I don't think it's working.
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    - Well go to the..
    - Well
    - Oh...
    - Big crash...
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    - Hell shot the foot...
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    It's actually going really well.
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    I didn't think we'd actually get somebody
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    to build this quickly.
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    We had to do one small adjustment and it worked!
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    With the source almost ready to ship,
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    Netscape must explain the significance
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    of Mozilla to the press.
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    Basically what we wanna do is we wanna give them a little bit of the history
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    and then we wanna go into the what's actually going to happen tomorrow.
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    The other important take away then too from this
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    is that this is a really exciting cool thing.
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    - Good afternoon, Forrester
    - Hi Stan Dolberg and uh Eric Brown please.
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    - One second.
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    - You've reached voicemail for Stan Dolberg -- I'll transfer you now
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    - Good afternoon, Forrester.
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    - Hi this is Maggie Young.
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    I'm calling from Netscape and I have scheduled
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    conference call with Stan Dolberg and Eric Brown
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    and I just got Stan's voicemail.
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    Netscape hopes the press will greet Mozilla with the same enthusiasm
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    it had for the company in its early days.
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    At eleven AM this morning, Netscape's stock went public and Wall Street went bonkers.
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    Initially offer had a price of 38 $ a share,
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    Netscape shut up to 72 within minutes...
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    The stock is bid up at extraordinary levels
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    in the first couple of really days and weeks
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    of its introduction.
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    It is the biggest initial public offering
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    in basically the Wall Street history.
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    - Good afternoon, Forrester
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    - Hi this is Josh Walker.
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    Today less than three years after its record breaking IPO however,
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    Netscape's story generates a different response.
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    - Hi there
    - Yup
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    - As you now tomorrow is March 31st
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    - So that means hum, source code will be made
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    available to the developer community.
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    And we thought we would just
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    catch you up to speed and walk you through
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    that and see if you had some questions.
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    - Either I'm braindead or it takes lot of effort to communicate
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    and so I'm concerned that while you all know
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    what it means, I'm not confident
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    that it's coming across to the press.
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    - Right, I think those are good points.
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    By opening up the source code, we basically extend our developer community
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    from those folks that are inside of Netscape
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    to hundreds and thousands of developers
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    outside of Netscape
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    so it's no longer Netscape versus Microsoft.
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    It's Netscape and all of the Netscape,
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    you know, virtual community.
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    - I think there is a belief that Netscape
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    doesn't have a position to continue
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    to compete with Microsoft
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    in the browser front and that
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    in essence you've given up on the browser position.
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    This was a lot more smooth than I had originally anticipated.
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    Really.
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    I'm still waiting for the major bump in the road
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    that's gonna happen some time between now
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    and tomorrow afternoon.
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    In software development there is
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    always a bump in the road.
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    We just want to hear the Apple story
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    They just can't quite get themselves comfortable
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    with the patent grant or with
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    whatever we tried to do to fix it for them.
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    So the last thing back out of their lawyer was
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    "gee, oh I don't know that we get enough protection."
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    Mozilla has a small piece of code from Apple that has not been cleared for public license.
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    - Ok.
    - We have to escalate.
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    - Hi this is Mark Andreeson,
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    I called a few minutes ago, and left message
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    we're trying to get - the problem is I can't get phone
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    there's no one at the Apple switchboard
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    so I'm having a hard time getting phone numbers for people.
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    Awesome.
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    Hold on, 6 2 0.
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    In order to ship Mozilla the next morning,
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    Scott Collins is called in
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    to replace Apple's code with his own invention.
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    And theoretically we believe this is possible.
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    It's my last bug. When I complete this bug,
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    I will be allowed to rest.
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    So I stayed up until about 5:40,
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    this morning writing this replacement class.
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    It made my life a living hell.
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    I got it basically running, it's all running,
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    it's all really good, and thank heavens
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    we got permission from Apple
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    to ship the regular source.
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    It's my understanding that Jamie
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    is gonna be the person that's gonna be pushing
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    the bits up to the website at around 10:00,
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    is that correct?
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    OK.
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    And we're gonna be staging some different
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    photo opportunities for the press at that time,
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    there will be television cameras you know news crews
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    - Couldn't we just like hire actors to do this for us?
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    - ...just tell them they get to be on TV come on..
    - We're not gonna mandate it..
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    - You're on TV right now.
    - We've been on TV for two months.
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    - I don't think anyone is gonna come.
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    One way to learn to run a marathon
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    is put a person out 26 miles into the desert,
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    and say, you know, there's this bomb on your back
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    that's gonna go off in a certain length of time
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    if you don't get into the town.
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    Well, that'll motivate you to get in
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    but there is a certain chance that you'll be blown up.
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    - You know what time it is?
    - Yeah it's five to ten.
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    - Aah! Going to be late. Hurry up!
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    Welcome everybody to the conference call.
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    Thanks for joining us this morning.
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    Today Netscape announced that
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    the first developer release of its Communicator 5.0
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    source code is available for download
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    from the Mozilla dot org website.
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    - You know where Tara is?
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    - Second floor?
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    - It's first floor, way on the other side.
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    And then today on the end of March,
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    as we announced, we are pushing the code
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    out to the Web as they say,
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    and we are delighted to be part of it
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    and we're very excited to see what happens.
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    The good news is the marathoner is now
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    coming into town with that bomb on his back
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    and it looks like he's gonna make it.
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    - This is the moment of truth!
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    They don't have theoretical framework
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    to write software, they're just writing it.
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    It's just like hitting the baseball.
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    If their code gets a home run,
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    nobody's asking questions.
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    Well, this doesn't make sense,
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    or why do you that, why does it work.
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    Nobody cares why it works.
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    - Wait this is bad.
    - What's that?
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    - Well it's not connecting to...
    - The machine that controls
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    the FTP push is, like, not answering.
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    - Is it loaded?
    - It's "blast" not "blash".
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    - Oh
    - Yeah maybe they're...
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    - Mac's there. UNIX is there. Windows is there.
    - We're done!
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    - It's on!
    - Yeah!
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    - Since Jamie is here, I am told that means
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    that we have now pushed the source out on the Net.
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    Is that correct?
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    - Actually, we decided not to.
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    We thought it was a stupid idea.
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    - That's our story and were sticking to it.
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    For a moment, everyone at Netscape
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    takes a breather.
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    - I think it's gonna work out.
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    In the first hour of its release,
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    the source code is downloaded thousands of times
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    but the number of downloads is no guarantee
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    that Netscape will receive enough valuable contributions
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    to help the company to reverse its slide.
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    He's known as Pavlov to me. He's Pavlov at
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    Pavlov.net, on IRC he's Pavlov or Pav or
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    um, Pav Sleeping, or Pav Tired Up Too Late.
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    And um without him I think we'd be months behind.
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    Netscape's notoriety draws code writers
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    from around the world willing to work on Mozilla without pay.
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    One such contributor comes from rural Georgia.
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    I've been amazed over the last two or three years,
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    when especially his mother would come tell me
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    "Well, so and so called" from maybe New York
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    and they were coming to Atlanta
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    and they wanted to talk to Stuart or see him,
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    and they were gonna go down and have lunch.
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    "Well", I'd say "Who is this person from New York?"
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    And the all of a sudden "Well, he's been working
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    with Stuart on some programming issues
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    for a year or so and he wanted to come down
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    and meet. "Well, did you tell him you're only sixteen?"
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    I had no idea. Um, and that's great,
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    that's a wonderful thing because
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    he's contributing. It doesn't matter that he's young.
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    The place we call the cave. We just shut the door
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    and this is where he does whatever he does.
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    It is flabbergasting to think that your child
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    has done something for this worldwide company
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    instead of his homework.
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    I went and looked back at the older code
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    and I was really frightened by how
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    incredibly messy and just awful the code looked.
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    It would have taken you know
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    years to try and figure out what it was doing.
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    So we basically did it from scratch.
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    Pretty much I'm providing the code that makes
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    the browser show everything faster
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    and more efficiently than it used to.
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    His keyboarding is almost just like talking.
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    It's just um, an expression.
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    He can express himself that way
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    and it's just totally unconscious, almost.
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    Just a part of how he communicates.
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    In the past, free code contributions
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    helped build the Internet.
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    How commercial enterprise would benefit
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    from free code remains a big question.
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    Well, it's certainly my hope that
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    the enormous amount of new people
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    that no one company could afford
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    to have working on any product,
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    now contributing to the Netscape Navigator
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    Communicator will make a significant difference
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    in the improvement of the product.
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    How that works against any competitor,
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    remains to be seen.
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    -Good morning
    -Good morning, Thank you.
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    David Readerman an analyst for San Francisco Investment Bank,
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    closely monitors Netscape's radical plan
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    for investors eager to participate
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    in the Internet stock boom.
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    The market is really kind of a voting machine,
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    it's voting yes I believe that vision statement.
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    Yes I believe that's gonna result in products sales.
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    Yes that's going to drive earnings up, and
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    you know stocks should traded accordingly.
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    The financial benefits to Netscape of
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    giving away its source code are hard to measure.
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    I understand why Netscape's trying to do it.
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    They still have to show me that
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    behind the vision and the slideware,
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    there's a real sustainable business model
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    that can deliver earnings hum,
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    and so I'm in show-me mode for Netscape.
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    Now, my job will be three times
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    as hard as it was yesterday and it was already ten times harder than it needed to be.
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    Right? Did I just work really hard to ship
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    the company jewels out of the building and
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    it's just gonna end in us dying
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    and rolling in poison and misery.
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    The day after this stuff goes out,
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    you really don't get to let up.
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    There is then the sort of day in day out,
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    go to work turn on the computer, code, code code.
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    - Thanks Tara.
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    - Tara?
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    - Yeah what's your doctor say Tara?
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    - Uh, my doctor says interestingly enough
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    that I work too much
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    and uh, that if I went to work today after
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    my appointment he would personally kill me.
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    I have an agreement with myself
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    that by the time I'm 35, I'm either going
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    to be high school teacher or bartender,
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    but something, anything other than a
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    in a position in the hightech industry,
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    otherwise I'll probably die by the time I'm 40.
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    Uh, now that I'm an old guy
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    I've kind of been round the block
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    couple times and you can go from realizing,
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    "This just never stops, does it?"
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    And that being really depressing
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    because you feel like it "I'm on, I'm on".
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    I said I was never going to be on the treadmill
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    and here I am. I'm on the treadmill.
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    I'm going to be running like this forever.
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    Because they're good at software,
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    they need to keep pace.
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    And as a result, keeping pace means
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    to shut a lot of other things out.
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    They just don't have time to read,
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    time to hear about the world.
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    They don't have much time for their families.
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    Um, but when you're in situation where
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    you really have a lot of work to do
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    and no time to do it,
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    you know, you pick what you want.
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    Some people pick wanting to have a family.
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    Some people pick wanting to
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    get some software done.
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    Christopher was born right after I started at Netscape,
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    and I basically missed the first
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    two years of his life because of the intensity.
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    I'd work 'til about 7 or 8 o'clock,
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    come home, eat dinner,
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    put the kids to bed, and then go back to work,
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    or work from home, until 2 or 3
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    in the morning, and was like the Dad zombie.
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    He would call and say, I'm on my way home
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    and then it would be 2 or 3 hours and
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    you know, the romantic dinner candles
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    had burned down
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    and I was thinking he was dead
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    by the side of the road so,
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    you know if 24 hours goes by
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    and I don't hear from him,
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    that I pretty much know where to find him.
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    I live in Michigan. And I commute.
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    So it's quite a long commute,
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    I don't make it every day.
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    I only make it about every two weeks or so.
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    But um, It is quite a time change.
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    Here it's something like 12:01
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    in the morning, and there it's 1954.
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    The motivation from moving back here is
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    I wanted to get into a community,
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    put roots down, and you know, feel settled.
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    And I...Life is just different out there,
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    it really is. I mean here people like worked
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    car factory or whatever... thirty years and out.
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    We spent, like, 45 minutes talking about all his
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    like, his whole story, from job, to job, to job, to job.
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    I thought it was pretty cool.
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    He had like ten or something, jobs.
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    He seemed to do it a lot during particularly peak
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    stressful times, like, you know, baby due
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    in two months, I'm changing jobs now, dear.
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    I like when everything is changing.
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    That makes it's exciting. That's why I do it.
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    It's something to be in the storm,
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    right in the middle of it and seeing everything
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    new happening and putting it all together.
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    It's really exciting.
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    It's almost addictive. I wouldn't want to leave it,
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    that's for sure.
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    At times, it's a clear sacrifice
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    of elements of your personal life.
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    I have to work very hard but I have
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    the chance of being rewarded for my efforts.
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    This disadvantage, my life's moving on.
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    I don't have any children yet,
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    you realize there's a certain amount of
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    my life that I'm sacrificing I'm going to look back
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    and a portion of this life is gone.
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    In the U.S., we have at least several million people
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    directly making a living from software.
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    And it's the fastest growing group of
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    people in the economy.
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    And it's certainly in aggregate,
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    the highest paying field of its size.
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    I mean yeah, you've got baseball,
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    you've got Hollywood.
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    But you know when you really
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    think of a group that has millions of people in it,
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    these are the highest wages anybody
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    has ever seen in the United States.
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    The opportunity to win big
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    for code writers is very real.
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    In fact, that if you will jackpot
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    opportunity is reflected here on a
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    Wall Street trading desk.
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    And I find that a lot of the engineers
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    and managers from Silicon Valley
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    are very attuned to what goes on
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    on these trading floors daily.
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    By one account, 64 millionaires are created daily
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    in Sillicon Valley where any technology worker
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    can striking rich over night.
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    You join a company and they give you
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    some stock options which basically says,
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    rather than just giving you stock,
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    they give the right to buy the stock
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    in the future at the current price.
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    You might get stock in the order of
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    maybe a year's salary or
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    two years salary typically, worth of options.
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    In some of these real booming companies
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    out there on the Internet, the potential for
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    becoming a millionaire or doing very well,
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    is very, very high.
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    The people who were very,
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    very early, they call them "Mozillionaires".
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    Stock options are a con.
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    Um, it's a carrot and dangle, it's like,
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    oh well, you know if you'll give up
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    your one and only youth,
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    maybe someday you'll make money, right...
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    it's um, I've known so many people
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    who have gambled on start-up lottery
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    and got nothing.
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    You know it's just like lottery ticket, it's a stupid tax.
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    Um, I happened to win that particular lottery.
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    From the day Microsoft announced
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    its aggressive commitment to the Internet, however,
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    Netscape stock has been in steady decline,
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    and throughout most of 1998 Netscape
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    options are essentially worthless.
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    A year and a half ago,
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    half of our revenue came from browser sales.
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    Today none of it does, so well,
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    Any business person out there knows
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    that that's a huge challenge.
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    I mean let me take your number one selling product
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    away from you and you replace that
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    within period of 12 months or so.
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    Not many people want to do that.
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    Even though the company sells other Internet products,
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    the marketplace views Netscape as a browser company
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    in a losing battle with Microsoft.
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    - Greg this is Jim Barksdale with Netscape Communications, how are you?
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    It's clear that Netscape doesn't have
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    enough pieces to threaten Microsoft.
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    I don't think that Netscape long term
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    can survive as an independent company.
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    While Mozilla tries to recapture the early,
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    glory days of the company,
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    integrating code from the outside means
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    more work for everyone on the browser team.
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    - Apparently I must have done it backwards
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    from what you told me, or I don't know what
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    - Ok, then this is bad.
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    - We want to take the old free tree
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    and use it as subsection,
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    and we want to build this interesting tree around this.
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    - No that's not want we want to do
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    NS Private at the top, right?
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    - A project file for this or project file for that,
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    it can't be a project file for both.
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    We don't have a plan for doing both.
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    So right now I have some files that have
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    to come from here for Java in a single directory,
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    and some files that have to come from here
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    in the same directory, the same directory.
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    Tell me how I do that?
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    That's the problem.
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    The browser division which costs the company
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    almost 30 million dollars a year to operate
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    and contributes few revenues to the company
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    is reorganized in the fall for the second time
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    in less than a year.
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    Do we have all the answers: No.
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    We're going to try and learn what we can from
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    seeing the people who've done this well...
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    When I joined a start-up, I knew that 19 out of 20 fail.
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    When an employee comes
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    to work at Netscape today,
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    he doesn't have the perception
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    that there's a 19 out of 20 chance
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    that this job is not gonna be in place
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    1 to 5 years from now.
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    If you live here, it is the ubiquitous conversation
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    "Do you believe that Microsoft
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    has used either a) illegal
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    or just unfair methods
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    to take market share from Netscape?"
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    And if the heart and soul of this industry is
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    opportunity, is egalitarianism, Microsoft having
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    achieved its market share
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    on anything other than the backs of its code
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    really riles every body up.
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    Justice department has charged Microsoft
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    with engaging an anti-competitive and exclusionary practises
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    designed to maintain its monopoly in personal computer operating systems
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    and attempting to extend that monopoly to Internet browser software.
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    Regardless of its case against Microsoft,
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    Netscape has become a victim of its increasing size
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    and the growing complexities of its code,
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    the company struggles to maintain the vitality
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    it enjoyed as a start-up.
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    When a company gets to be above a certain size,
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    it's just a process, it's a mechanism for making money.
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    And innovation is like one possible way of doing that,
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    but it's a risky way.
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    So companies, big companies don't do that.
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    Um, Microsoft actually doesn't do very much, they buy companies.
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    They wait until someone has done something interesting and then they acquire them,
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    and then they milk it for all it's worth.
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    I don't mean to pick on Microsoft because lots of companies do that, it's just the normal way of doing business.
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    We're on out way to the Flint Center now.
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    We're going to have an all-hands meeting.
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    Jim Barksdale has moved up the all hands meeting by roughly about a week.
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    We just announce quarterly results and now this major change in direction.
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    Well, in case you haven't read the newspaper,
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    we have, as of 1:30 this morning,
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    concluded negotiations and agreed to sell our company to AOL of Dulles, Virginia.
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    I can't imagine that day when they announced the merger,
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    that they weren't like "Oh, I don't believe this".
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    You know, sort of a nightmare scenario.
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    Although, you know, the worst one would have been
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    Microsoft's buying us, I guess, you know.
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    Then they would have, you know you would've seen like
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    his this flow of cars out of Netscape
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    Six months ago they were insulting AOL's technology,
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    you know, it was the service for idiots.
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    "Congratulations skippy, you've got mail!"
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    Netscape is not unusual in the way they felt about AOL in Silicon Valley.
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    I mean, it's very clear that nobody
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    had any respect for the company.
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    One of them at Netscape
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    called Steve Case a soap salesman
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    because he used to work at Proctor and Gamble.
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    The soap salesman bought them.
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    The quote that came out of this article was
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    "Netscape: (similar lines of) lived fast,
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    died young, and left a tired corpse".
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    And I don't know they agree with that.
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    I don't think Netscape's done yet.
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    They bought us because they like us,
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    they like what we do,
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    and they don't want to disturb that formula;
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    so their plan is to not damage us in any way.
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    There had been alot of, uh,
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    a lot of speculation out on the net,
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    you know, in the free software community, like
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    oh well this is it, you know,
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    it's all over now
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    "AOL's just gonna screw everything up".
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    So I wrote this thing
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    that I put on the Mozilla.org site
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    that just laid out the worst case scenario,
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    like, well okay,
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    even if everything goes wrong
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    it's still not as bad as you're saying it is.
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    Because the nature of what Netscape did
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    meant that the code belongs to the community now.
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    Few days later I got email from Steve Case,
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    saying, um, we think that you're doing is great thing
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    and it's part of the reason we bought the company
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    we plan to keep it going that way, so
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    um, as far as Mozilla.org and Netscape and AOL's contribution
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    to the open-source movement goes,
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    he says, it's gonna continue...
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    The merger with AOL creates a windfall for shareholders
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    that will give Netscape employees the chance to cash out and move on,
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    causing speculation in the national media
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    about AOL's ability to retain Netscape's key people.
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    And already I hear, you know,
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    that AOL people come at Netscape and say,
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    yeah this is the AOL way.
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    It's not gonna work at Netscape.
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    It's gonna be the Netscape way with help from AOL!
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    I suspect some of them will leave.
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    You know, they don't want to be part of AOL.
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    Some people just like the start-up mentality.
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    And those that want to be part of a juggernaut
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    are going to stay and be part of the juggernaut.
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    I've been at Netscape for 3 and a half years and it feels like forever.
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    And AOL's focus and Netscape's growing focus has been marketing and advertising,
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    all that stuff, and that's
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    not nearly as interesting
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    to someone who's sort of a techno-fetishist.
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    I'm switching jobs and selling my house,
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    I'm moving, switching towns...
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    That's life for start-up land.
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    I'm still young and stupid as I like to put it,
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    so I can get away with that stuff like that.
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    Year and a half ago, so Tara comes to me she says
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    "I want to be a manager so bad, that I can taste it".
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    So we finally said alright, you get to be a manager.
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    And like within a week she said
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    "Why did you ever let me do this?"
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    And Tara has turned out to be like one of Netscape's greatest managers.
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    So here is to Tara, release team manager.
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    Tara leaves Netscape for an e-commerce start-up,
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    missing out on a big jump in the value of her stock options
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    in hopes for a bigger pay out at her new company.
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    Regardless of how AOL runs the Netscape business,
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    it's not Netscape anymore - that part's over.
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    And you know, that's really sad
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    I wish Netscape could have gone it on their own.
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    Frustrated by what he perceives as a lack of commitment to open-source development,
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    Jamie quits Netscape one year to the day he helped to give away Mozilla.
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    The movie Hackers I think is just a great movie.
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    I wish our lives were like that,
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    I wish we were roller skating around in spandex and fighting bad guys,
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    but you know it's not it's sitting in a room and typing all day.
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    This is what I was trying to escape, this life.
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    I knew I did not want to live here.
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    I've been out here now about four of five years.
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    This is a nice place. This is escape from the jungle.
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    Jim Roskind is promoted to Netscape's highest engineering rank.
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    Last night I was here at four in the morning,
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    and this isn't even in the middle of a critical push.
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    But it's almost like an addiction, an adrenaline rush,
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    a going for perfection, a pushing.
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    And then as you see the results, you get the feedback to push harder.
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    You know I really shouldn't comment on this
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    since I'm just as foolish as everyone else is
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    but I'll just go ahead and do it while admitting that I'm foolish,
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    there's just a tremendous quest for material wealth here.
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    It's like the goldrush all over again.
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    And this is gonna be the playhouse.
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    And then this will be like a front porch I think a little flowers and stuff.
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    So it will be like a cute little house.
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    I went to Netscape because its main purpose was to generate cash,
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    based on this Internet thing.
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    It's like what we're gonna do, we're gonna get rich.
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    It just took a heavy toll on our marriage,
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    and, if it wasn't for God's grace,
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    we wouldn't have made it.
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    "Why would I use god gives"
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    Micheal burned out.
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    Micheal, came to a place, in his own life where he said the cost is too great,
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    I'm not gonna do it anymore.
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    If people are - would look at this and say oh
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    hey this is a cool thing, I'm gonna start a start-up
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    and get rich quick
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    I would just have to say
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    you need to count the costs
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    because you can't ever retrieve the time that's lost.
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    Michael Toy
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    Netscape employee number 6
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    achieved his goal of financial independance
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    and retired from Netscape shortly after Mozilla's release.
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    In the Valley,
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    if you've stayed someplace longer than about three years
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    people wonder what's going on?
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    Why can't you get another job, what's wrong with you?
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    If you're a programmer, you pretty much change jobs
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    about every two years or so.
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    It's like ants,
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    worker ants.
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    They send out a group out to do something.
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    As that group approaches
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    the task that they're gonna do
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    some ants leave, more ants come on
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    By the time it gets to the target
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    it could be a totally different set of ants
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    I think as we distribute the set of work that we're doing
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    and more and more, in the Information Age
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    it'll be more like that.
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    Scott Collins continues to commute to Netscape from Michigan.
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    There's lot of pressure right now
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    to complete our product on time.
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    Um, sort of wade in with
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    the ridiculous acrobatics the stock is doing.
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    We were a 20$ company
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    and as of this moment our stock is at 172$.
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    So it's hard to be depressed about the amount of work
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    you have to do when
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    every other cube holds a millionnaire.
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    When the deal with AOL closes in the Spring of 1999
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    the value of Netscape's stock more than doubled since the merger's announcement.
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    Netscape married right.
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    They hitched their fortunes to AOL
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    when the transaction was announced,
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    the implied valuation was about 4.2 billion
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    when transaction was completed,
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    the transaction was valued at 10 billion.
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    So in effect about 5.5 or 6 billion dollars
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    of net worth was created
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    so I think it was the very clever deal-making
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    of Netscape management that kept them in the game
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    much longer and Netscape's shareholders benefited quite considerably.
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    Mo-
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    -zill-
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    -la
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    lives!
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    While many executives sold their stock
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    during Netscape's final year
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    Barksdale bought more
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    and after the merger he swapped his shares
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    for more than half a billion dollars of AOL stock.
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    Another young man comes west
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    to seek his fortune on technology's new frontier.
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    I'm a little bit nervous going into this interview,
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    cause I'm not entirely sure what to expect.
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    It's a long way away
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    Three thousand miles
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    is a long way for your child to be
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    But this is a place where there's a lot going on that
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    he's very interested in and I think
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    has some talents in this area.
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    And I really think that this may be
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    kind of home for him as far as
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    being able to work with people
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    that he can actually talk to.
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    - Pavlov!
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    - What I want to know is,
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    what you want to do
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    I mean, what your goals are in the next couple of years?
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    - My goal right now
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    is that I want to see the UNIX version faster than the Windows version.
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    Once you pull that off,
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    then, you know, we'll see.
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    But that's my goal.
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    Pavlov is hired by Netscape.
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    He postpones going to college.
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    Taking part in what one investor has called the largest
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    legal creation of wealth in the history of the planet,
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    David Readerman moves to a new investment bank.
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    Here's the data center,
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    a lot of cable, a lot of fiber.
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    These can be sort of, you know, Internet connections
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    they can be our trading lines, our phone lines.
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    You know we're lying the infrastructure
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    to basically build a major merchant bank.
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    Our view is that the Internet changes everything
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    and we're going to finance the companies
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    that want to be the agents of that change.
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    Look at this intersection,
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    we've got a bank here,
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    in two years you know this may not be here,
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    why not bank online?
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    Gap's website
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    is one of the most successful commerce websites
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    on the market.
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    I don't even know why Gap's renovating this store?
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    Why aren't they investing more in their website?
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    I don't know what this intersection may look two years from now.
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    When I started people didn't know what HTML was,
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    what the World Wide Web was, and then all of a sudden
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    the power of the Internet that had been there
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    for years was available to everybody
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    in an easy way, Point & click, the universal language.
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    It's like in Fantasia when Mickey is standing over
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    the book that's open on the mountain,
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    and he's looking in to see what to do
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    and he does something. And he doesn't really know what he does
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    but it makes something happen.
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    And of course this thing gets out of control and keeps going.
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    You don't know why it works, you don't know how it works,
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    you just push a button and it works.
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    We're at the beginning of an industry and
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    who knows where that industry's gonna go?
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    This could all turn into television again.
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    It could be controlled by a small number of
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    companies who decide what we see and hear.
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    And there's a lot of precedent for that.
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    I'm just laying down the tracks
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    and there were these trains zooming by me,
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    and there's no way I'd want to say it's a
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    bad thing to have these trains fly by.
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    I could be a horrible legacy.
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    If it ended up being a legacy of,
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    you know, Netscape and the Internet,
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    that we could all like,
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    do what we're doing only under
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    much more intense pressure and
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    much faster.
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    Everything has to change faster,
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    obviously, you know, look at Netscape.
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    It was born and died.
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    I don't want to use the word "died", they wouldn't like that word.
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    But basically it was born and overtaken
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    within four years.
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    That's pretty fast, I think.
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    They must think it's very fast.
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    Near the end of 1999,
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    the public still awaits Netscape's
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    first open source browser,
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    more than a year after Mozilla was released.
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    The judge and the justice department
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    end a trust trial rules that Microsoft
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    is a monopoly, it stiffles innovation.
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    AOL begins the millenium
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    with a new even larger aquisition,
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    and investors continue buying technology stocks,
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    which trade with increasing volatility.
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    Still as the Internet finds its way
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    into every corner of daily life,
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    so, too will legions of programmers
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    and their code, working fast
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    and late into the night.
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Netscape Mozilla Documentary 1998 - 2000 Project Code Rush - Creative Commons licence CC BY-NC-SA 3.0
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