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Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.50,0:00:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our main story tonight
Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.18,0:00:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is government surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.50,0:00:08.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I realize most people
Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.75,0:00:10.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would rather have a conversation
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.28,0:00:12.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about literally any other topic.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.77,0:00:14.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Including: 'Is my smartphone
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.27,0:00:15.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,giving me cancer?'
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.20,0:00:17.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To which the answer is: Probably.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.08,0:00:19.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or: 'Do goldfish suffer from depression?'
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.13,0:00:20.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To which the answer is:
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.29,0:00:21.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, but very briefly.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.53,0:00:24.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the fact is:
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.38,0:00:25.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is vital
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.38,0:00:27.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we have a discussion about this now.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.35,0:00:28.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because an important date
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.62,0:00:30.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is just around the corner.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.53,0:00:32.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One big day to circle on the calendar
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.33,0:00:33.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it comes to
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.26,0:00:34.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a very controversial subject.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.66,0:00:36.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The re-authorization of the Patriot Act
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.51,0:00:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all of the
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.40,0:00:38.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,controversial provisions therein.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.97,0:00:41.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,June 1 they've got to come to an agreement
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.02,0:00:41.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to re-authorize
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.86,0:00:43.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or curtail those programs.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.59,0:00:45.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes. Some controversial provisions
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.56,0:00:47.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within the Patriot Act
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.29,0:00:49.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are set to expire on June 1.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.10,0:00:50.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So circle that date
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.56,0:00:52.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on your calendars, everyone.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.02,0:00:53.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And while you're at it:
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.14,0:00:54.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Circle June 2 as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.80,0:00:56.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because that's Justin Long's birthday.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.70,0:00:58.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You all forgot last year...
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.67,0:01:00.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and he f*cking noticed.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.99,0:01:03.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, over the last couple of years
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.90,0:01:05.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've probably heard a lot about
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.64,0:01:07.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strange-sounding programs. Such as:
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.37,0:01:10.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,X-Keyscore, Muscular, Prism, and Mystic.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.53,0:01:12.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which are -coincidentally- also the names
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.66,0:01:13.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of some of Florida's
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.69,0:01:15.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,least popular stripclubs.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.25,0:01:17.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Welcome to X-Keyscore!"
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.46,0:01:19.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Our dancers are fully un-redacted
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.47,0:01:21.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Tuesday is wing-night!"
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.72,0:01:24.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you don't mind, I would like
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.75,0:01:26.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to refresh your memory over some of this.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.75,0:01:28.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And let's start our focussing on the most
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.30,0:01:30.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,controversial portion of the Patriot Act
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.34,0:01:31.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is up for renewal:
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.90,0:01:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Section 215.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.46,0:01:35.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which, I'm aware, sounds like the name
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.35,0:01:37.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of an Eastern European boy-band.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.85,0:01:39.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We are Section 215."
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.39,0:01:41.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Prepare to have your hearts...
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.25,0:01:42.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throbbed."
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.46,0:01:47.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's the cute one, the bad-boy,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.27,0:01:49.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the one who strangled a potato-farmer,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.15,0:01:51.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the one without an iron-deficiency.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.08,0:01:52.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're incredible.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.62,0:01:56.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the content of the real Section 215
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.09,0:01:58.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is actually even more sinister.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.52,0:02:00.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's called Section 215.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.19,0:02:02.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nicknamed: the library records provision.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.78,0:02:04.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which allows the government to require
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.61,0:02:06.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,businesses to hand over records of any
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.49,0:02:09.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quote, 'any tangible things'
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.25,0:02:10.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including: books, records, papers,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.88,0:02:12.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,documents, and other items.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.74,0:02:15.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If that sounds broad, it's because
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.09,0:02:16.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was very much written that way.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.76,0:02:18.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Section 215 says the government can ask
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.62,0:02:21.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for 'any tangible things' so long as it's
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.71,0:02:23.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'for an investigation to protect
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.76,0:02:25.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against international terrorism'.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.39,0:02:27.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is basically a blank cheque.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.01,0:02:28.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's letting a teenager borrow the car
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.87,0:02:30.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,under the strict condition that they
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.67,0:02:33.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only use it for 'car-related activities'.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.04,0:02:35.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Okay, mom and dad, I'm gonna use this
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.23,0:02:37.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a hand-job in a Wendy's parking lot
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.48,0:02:38.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that is car-related,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.70,0:02:40.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I think I'm covered."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.34,0:02:43.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Section 215 is overseen
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.14,0:02:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by a secret intelligence-court
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.88,0:02:46.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,known as the FISA-court.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.42,0:02:48.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they've interpreted it to mean
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.06,0:02:50.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the government could basically collect and
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.10,0:02:52.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,store phone-records for every American.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.33,0:02:54.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The vast majority of whom, of course
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.19,0:02:56.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have no connection to terrorism.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.33,0:02:58.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unless, Aunt Cheryl has been gravely
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.81,0:03:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mis-characterizing the activities
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.46,0:03:01.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of her needle-point club.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.98,0:03:03.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It's a sleeper-cell,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.07,0:03:04.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,isn't is, Aunt Cheryl?"
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.86,0:03:06.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You will hang for this, Aunt Cheryl."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.76,0:03:08.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You're a traitor and a terrible aunt."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.74,0:03:10.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Not in that order."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.70,0:03:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, the government will point out
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.02,0:03:17.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that under 215, they hold phone-records
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.02,0:03:19.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not the calls themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.18,0:03:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What the intelligence-community is doing
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.28,0:03:28.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is looking at phone-numbers
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.57,0:03:30.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and durations of calls
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.94,0:03:33.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are not looking at people's names
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.72,0:03:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they are not looking at content.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.64,0:03:39.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, but that's not entirely reassuring.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.87,0:03:41.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because you can extrapolate a lot
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.62,0:03:43.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from that information.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.11,0:03:45.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they knew that you'd called your ex
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.43,0:03:48.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,12 times last night, between 1 and 4 AM
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.41,0:03:50.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a duration of 15 minutes each time
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.73,0:03:52.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they can be fairly sure that you left
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.72,0:03:54.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some pretty pathetic voice-mails.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.59,0:03:56.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I don't care whose monitoring
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.36,0:03:57.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this call, Vicky."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.34,0:03:58.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We should be together!"
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.52,0:04:00.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pick up the phone, dammit!
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.20,0:04:02.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a human being, not an animal!"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.58,0:04:05.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, the Patriot-act was written
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.32,0:04:07.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just after 9-11.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.02,0:04:08.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for years it was extended
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.44,0:04:09.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and re-authorized
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.59,0:04:11.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with barely a passing thought.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.44,0:04:13.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, it became so routine
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.19,0:04:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that when it was extended in 2011
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.00,0:04:17.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one newscast just tacked it
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.72,0:04:19.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,onto the end of a report
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.17,0:04:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about a Presidential trip abroad.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.96,0:04:22.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chip Reid. CBS-news.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.28,0:04:23.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Travelling with the President
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.66,0:04:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Deauville, France.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.08,0:04:26.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also in France, by the way
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.65,0:04:28.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,President Obama signed in a law
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.25,0:04:29.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,4-year extension
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.63,0:04:31.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the terrorism fighting Patriot-Act.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.91,0:04:34.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also in France, by the way?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.90,0:04:35.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By the way?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.76,0:04:36.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He threw that in
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.56,0:04:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like a mother telling her grown daughter
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.48,0:04:40.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that her childhood pet just died.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.54,0:04:42.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh, nice talking to you, sweety.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.11,0:04:44.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also, by the way, Mr. Peppers is dead.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.11,0:04:45.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See you at Christmas." BANG
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.02,0:04:49.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But all of that was before the public
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.29,0:04:51.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was made aware of what the government's
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.34,0:04:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,capabilities actually were.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.52,0:04:56.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Cause that all ended in June of 2013.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.77,0:04:58.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Edward Snowden has just taken
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.34,0:05:00.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,responsibility for one of the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.05,0:05:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,biggest government leaks in US history.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.12,0:05:03.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We learned that the government has
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.74,0:05:04.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the capacity to track
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.75,0:05:06.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,virtually every American phone-call
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.59,0:05:08.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to scoop up impossibly vast
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.45,0:05:10.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quantities of data across the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.49,0:05:12.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Revelations that the NSA eavesdropped
Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.71,0:05:13.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on world leaders.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.70,0:05:15.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you've ever been to the Bahamas
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.33,0:05:17.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the NSA could've recorded your phone-calls
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.37,0:05:19.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and stored them for up to a month.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.50,0:05:21.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All that information was exposed
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.67,0:05:22.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by Edward Snowden.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.77,0:05:24.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it is still kind of incredible
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.56,0:05:26.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a 29-year-old contractor
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.21,0:05:28.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was able to steal top-secret documents
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.19,0:05:29.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from an organization
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.58,0:05:31.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that LITERALLY has the word 'security'
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.99,0:05:33.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in it's name.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.78,0:05:35.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Clearly, that was not great for them.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.56,0:05:37.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The only place where it should be THAT
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.37,0:05:39.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,easy for employees in their 20ies to steal
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.39,0:05:40.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a Lid store.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.51,0:05:43.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Dude, you sure I should take this?"
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.24,0:05:45.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Relax, dude, it's a Miami Marlins-cap,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.21,0:05:46.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're not exactly selling
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.46,0:05:47.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fabergé eggs here."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.26,0:05:51.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is still unclear
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.22,0:05:52.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exactly how many documents
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.77,0:05:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Edward Snowden stole.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.00,0:05:55.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Although he's consistently tried
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.53,0:05:56.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to re-assure people
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.94,0:05:58.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he put them in good hands.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.66,0:06:01.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Honestly, I don't want to be the person
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.22,0:06:03.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making the decisions on what should
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.08,0:06:04.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be public and what shouldn't.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.58,0:06:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is why
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.48,0:06:08.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than publishing these on my own
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.07,0:06:10.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or putting them out openly
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.45,0:06:12.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm running them through journalists.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.28,0:06:13.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, that sounds great.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.94,0:06:15.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But of course it's not a fail-safe plan.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.89,0:06:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As was proven when the New York Times
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.44,0:06:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,published this slide
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.08,0:06:20.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but did such a sloppy job
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.35,0:06:22.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of blocking out redacted information
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.15,0:06:23.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that some people were able to read
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.80,0:06:25.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the information behind that black bar
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.74,0:06:27.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which concerned how the US was monitoring
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.69,0:06:28.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Al Qaida in Mosul.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.84,0:06:31.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A group now known as ISIS.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.26,0:06:33.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So essentially a national security secret
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.42,0:06:35.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was leaked because no-one at the Times
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.26,0:06:37.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knows how to use Microsoft Paint.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.06,0:06:41.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And look, you can think
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.29,0:06:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Snowden did the wrong thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.00,0:06:44.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or did it in the wrong way.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.76,0:06:46.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the fact is:
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.07,0:06:47.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have this information now
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.44,0:06:49.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we no longer get the luxury
Dialogue: 0,0:06:49.20,0:06:50.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of pleading ignorance.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.90,0:06:52.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like you can't go to Sea World
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.68,0:06:54.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and pretend that Shamu's happy, anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.77,0:06:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we now know
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.28,0:06:58.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least half the water in her tank
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.01,0:06:59.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is whale-tears.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.49,0:07:01.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know that now.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.15,0:07:03.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't un-know that information.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.05,0:07:06.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you have to bear that in mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.33,0:07:07.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But here's the thing:
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.76,0:07:09.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's now 2 years later
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.01,0:07:10.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it seems like we've kind of forgotten
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.97,0:07:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have a debate
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.12,0:07:14.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over the content of what Snowden leaked.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.10,0:07:15.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A recent Pew-report found that nearly
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.97,0:07:17.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,half of Americans say that they're
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.86,0:07:19.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'not very concerned'
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.10,0:07:20.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or 'not at all concerned'
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.87,0:07:22.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about government surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.46,0:07:23.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is fine.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.53,0:07:25.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If that's an informed opinion.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.32,0:07:27.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I'm not sure that it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.08,0:07:29.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because we actually sent a camera-crew to
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.07,0:07:31.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Times Square to ask some random passers by
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.73,0:07:34.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who Edward Snowden was and what he did.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.56,0:07:36.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there are the responses that we got.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.68,0:07:38.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have no idea who Edward Snowden is.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.82,0:07:41.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Have no idea who Edward Snowden is.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.81,0:07:44.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've heard the name, I just can't picture
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.33,0:07:46.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think... right now exactly what it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.63,0:07:48.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Edward Snowden...
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.56,0:07:50.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No. I do not.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.45,0:07:51.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just for the record:
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.90,0:07:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that wasn't cherry picking.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.48,0:07:55.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was entirely reflective
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.24,0:07:56.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of everyone we spoke to.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.40,0:07:57.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Although, to be fair:
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.42,0:07:59.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some people did remember his name
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.26,0:08:01.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they just couldn't remember why.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.32,0:08:03.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He sold some information to people.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.90,0:08:06.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He revealed some information
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.27,0:08:08.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that shouldn't have been revealed.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.97,0:08:10.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think from what I remember is
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.47,0:08:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the information that he shared was
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.10,0:08:14.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,detrimental to our military secrets?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.27,0:08:16.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And keeping our soldiers and our country
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.21,0:08:16.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,safe?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.96,0:08:19.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He leaked documents what the US Army's
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.34,0:08:20.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,operations in Iraq.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.80,0:08:22.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Edward Snowden revealed a bunch of
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.83,0:08:24.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of secrets, I guess, or information
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.87,0:08:26.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into Wiki... Wikileaks?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.38,0:08:27.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Edward Snowden leaked...
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.77,0:08:29.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ah, he's in charge of Wikileaks?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.30,0:08:30.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Edward Snowden revealed a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.94,0:08:32.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,documents through Wikileaks...?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.99,0:08:36.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, so here's the thing:
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.29,0:08:38.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Edward Snowden is NOT the Wikileaks guy.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.70,0:08:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Wikileaks guy is Julian Assange.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.20,0:08:42.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you do not want
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.67,0:08:43.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be confused with him.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.82,0:08:45.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Partly because he was far less careful
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.65,0:08:48.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than Snowden in what he released and how.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.21,0:08:49.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And partly because he resembles
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.72,0:08:51.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a sandwich-bag full of biscuit-dough
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.43,0:08:53.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wearing a Stevie Nicks-wig.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.14,0:08:56.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is, that is ciritical.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.55,0:08:58.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian Assange is not a like-able man.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.96,0:09:01.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even Benedict Cumberbatch could not
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.56,0:09:03.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make him like-able.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.31,0:09:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's un-Cumberbatch-able.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.11,0:09:07.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was supposed to be
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.27,0:09:08.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,physically impossible.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.44,0:09:10.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I don't blame people
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.64,0:09:11.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for being confused.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.85,0:09:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've been looking at this story
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.12,0:09:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the last 2 weeks
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.56,0:09:17.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it is hard to get your head around.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.19,0:09:18.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not just because there are so many
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.81,0:09:20.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,complicated programs to keep track of
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.77,0:09:21.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also because
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.96,0:09:23.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are no easy answers here.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.79,0:09:26.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We all naturally want perfect privacy
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.32,0:09:28.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and perfect safety.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.54,0:09:31.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But those 2 things cannot coexist.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.17,0:09:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like how you can't have
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.56,0:09:34.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a badass pet falcon...
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.54,0:09:37.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and an adorable pet vole named Herbert.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:39.14,0:09:41.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Either you have to lose one of them
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.33,0:09:43.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-which obviously you don't want to do-
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.17,0:09:44.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or you have to accept some
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.47,0:09:46.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reasonable restrictions on both of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.43,0:09:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now to be fair, the NSA will argue
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.92,0:09:52.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that just because they CAN do something
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.09,0:09:53.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't mean they DO do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.61,0:09:55.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, that there are restrictions
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.42,0:09:57.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on their operations
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.04,0:09:58.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as the FISA-court
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.09,0:10:00.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which must approve requests
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.09,0:10:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for foreign surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.33,0:10:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.12,0:10:04.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 34 years, that court has approved
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.78,0:10:07.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over 35000 applications
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.12,0:10:09.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and only rejected 12.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.98,0:10:12.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes. Much like Robert Durst's second wife.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.68,0:10:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The FISA-court is alarmingly accepting.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.16,0:10:18.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Listen, Robert, I'm not
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.26,0:10:20.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gonna ask you too many questions."
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.05,0:10:22.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm just gonna give you the benefit of
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.31,0:10:24.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a doubt that you clearly don't deserve."
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.30,0:10:27.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At least tell him to blink and burp less.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.37,0:10:31.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The burping might be the most troubling
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.98,0:10:33.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing about that show.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.40,0:10:38.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So maybe it's time for us to talk.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.05,0:10:39.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,About where the limits should be.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.96,0:10:41.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the best place to start would be
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.98,0:10:43.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Section 215.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.59,0:10:45.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not just because it's the easiest
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.17,0:10:45.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to understand
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.87,0:10:47.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there is wide-spread agreement
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.97,0:10:49.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it needs to be reformed.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.63,0:10:51.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From the President, to Ted Cruz,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.60,0:10:54.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to both the ACLU and the NRA,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.47,0:10:55.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to even the guy
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.40,0:10:57.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who wrote the thing in the first place.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.42,0:10:58.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was the principal author
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.63,0:10:59.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Patriot Act.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.83,0:11:03.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can say, that without qualification
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.46,0:11:05.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Congress never did intend to allow
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.97,0:11:07.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bulk-collections
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.16,0:11:09.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it passed Section 215.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.27,0:11:11.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And no fair reading of the text
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.65,0:11:13.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would allow for this program.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.89,0:11:15.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Think about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.15,0:11:16.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was the author.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.52,0:11:18.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the legislative equivalent
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.21,0:11:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Lewis Carroll
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.12,0:11:20.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seeing the tea-cups ride at Disney Land
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.98,0:11:21.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and saying:
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.78,0:11:23.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"This has got to be reined in."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.61,0:11:25.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No fair reading of my text
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.18,0:11:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would allow for this ride."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.08,0:11:28.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You've turned my perfectly nice tale
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.85,0:11:30.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of psychedelic paedofilia
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.24,0:11:32.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into a garish vomitorium."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.11,0:11:35.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"This is not what I wanted!"
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.28,0:11:39.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even the NSA has said
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.06,0:11:41.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the number of terror-plots in the US
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.38,0:11:42.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the Section 215
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.44,0:11:44.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telephone-records program has disrupted...
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.67,0:11:46.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...is 1.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.05,0:11:47.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's worth noting:
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.38,0:11:49.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that one particular plot
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.05,0:11:51.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involved a cabdriver in San Diego
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.42,0:11:54.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who gave $8500 to a terror-group.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.17,0:11:56.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is the shittiest terrorist-plot
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.86,0:11:57.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've ever seen.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.92,0:11:59.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Other than the plot of
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.22,0:12:01.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A Good Day To Die Hard.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.18,0:12:04.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But here's the big problem here:
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.38,0:12:06.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we let Section 215 get renewed
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.63,0:12:07.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in it's current form
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.95,0:12:09.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without serious public debate
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.42,0:12:10.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're in trouble.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.58,0:12:11.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because Section 215
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.67,0:12:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the canary in the coal-mine.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:13.18,0:12:14.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we cannot fix that
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.34,0:12:16.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're not gonna fix any of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.35,0:12:18.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the public debate so far
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.56,0:12:20.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been absolutely pathetic.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.89,0:12:21.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A year ago
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.67,0:12:22.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a former congresswoman was
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.91,0:12:25.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discussing the 215 program on the news.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.82,0:12:27.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Watch wat happened.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:27.40,0:12:29.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This vast collection of data
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.15,0:12:31.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not that useful
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.53,0:12:34.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and infringes substantially
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.41,0:12:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on personal privacy.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.50,0:12:37.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think at this point we should
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.60,0:12:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seriously consider not continuing...
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.92,0:12:44.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Congress woman Harman, let me interrupt..
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.72,0:12:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me interrupt you just for a moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.60,0:12:48.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've got some breaking news out of Miami.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.61,0:12:50.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stand by if you will.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.41,0:12:51.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right now in Miami
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.30,0:12:52.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Justin Bieber
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.49,0:12:54.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been arrested on a number of charges.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.60,0:12:57.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The judge is reading the charges
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.10,0:12:58.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including resisting arrest
Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.76,0:13:00.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and driving under the influence.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.30,0:13:02.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's appearing now before the judge for
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.20,0:13:04.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his bond-hearing. Let's watch.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.68,0:13:09.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, you know what?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.02,0:13:11.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bad news, we're gonna have to interrupt
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.01,0:13:12.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your interruption of the Bieber news
Dialogue: 0,0:13:12.72,0:13:14.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a new interruption.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.11,0:13:16.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This time featuring a YouTube video of
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.18,0:13:17.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a tortoise having sex with a plastic clog.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.99,0:13:19.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's watch.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.35,0:13:20.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}HEEH{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.94,0:13:23.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}HEEH{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.96,0:13:27.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}HEH{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.10,0:13:33.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That. Is essentially the current tone
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.08,0:13:35.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this vitally important debate.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.46,0:13:37.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}HEEEH{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.38,0:13:39.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again:
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.32,0:13:40.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not saying
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.51,0:13:42.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is an easy conversation.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.30,0:13:43.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we have to have it.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.91,0:13:45.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know this is confusing.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.18,0:13:46.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And unfortunately the most
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.46,0:13:47.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,obvious person to talk to
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.89,0:13:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about this is Edward Snowden.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.84,0:13:51.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But he currently lives in Russia. Meaning:
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.89,0:13:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you wanted to ask him about any
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.52,0:13:55.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of these issues, you'd have to fly
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.18,0:13:56.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the way there to do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.65,0:13:58.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it is not a pleasant flight.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.62,0:14:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the reason I know that...
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.92,0:14:03.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...is that last week, I went to Russia
Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.96,0:14:05.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to speak to Edward Snowden.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:06.19,0:14:07.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is what happened.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.93,0:14:13.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, last week I spent 48 paranoid hours
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.16,0:14:14.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Moscow.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.37,0:14:15.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arguably the last place on earth
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.91,0:14:16.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you can find
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.82,0:14:19.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an overweight Josef Stalin impersonator
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.21,0:14:21.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,arguing with an unconvincing fake Lenin.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.40,0:14:23.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And after experiencing
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.48,0:14:25.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Russia's famously warm hospitality
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.94,0:14:27.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went to meet Edward Snowden.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.92,0:14:30.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who is supposed to show up in this room
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.02,0:14:31.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at noon.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.10,0:14:32.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, after 5 minutes after
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.66,0:14:34.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the interview was scheduled to begin
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.56,0:14:36.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had a troubling thought.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.24,0:14:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.03,0:14:40.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you think he's coming?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.44,0:14:44.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Cause my argument is:
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.43,0:14:41.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, he's coming.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.14,0:14:45.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why would he?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.77,0:14:47.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you think about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.04,0:14:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got 2000 roebels
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.92,0:14:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that says he doesn't make it.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.16,0:14:55.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Without understanding how much that is.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:00.36,0:15:01.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All I'm saying is...
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.82,0:15:04.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...a 10-hour flight for an empty chair?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.65,0:15:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna lose my shit.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.34,0:15:12.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It turns out it may be a bit of a problem
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.39,0:15:14.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because our Russian producer
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.65,0:15:18.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,booked us in a room directly overlooking
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.58,0:15:21.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the old KGB-building.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.30,0:15:22.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the home
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.15,0:15:25.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the current Federal Security Bureau.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.17,0:15:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we've just been told...
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.72,0:15:28.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...they know we're here.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.34,0:15:30.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So uhm...
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.04,0:15:32.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that happened.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.54,0:15:40.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uhm, just if the Russian...
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.64,0:15:42.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...Russian KGB is listening:
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.02,0:15:43.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'll ring the fire-alarm
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.22,0:15:44.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if he's not coming.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.57,0:15:48.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh shit.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.70,0:15:51.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh God.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.73,0:15:58.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So sorry for the delay.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.90,0:16:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's fine, don't worry about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.46,0:16:02.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,HOLY SHIT.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.38,0:16:04.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He actually came.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.45,0:16:06.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Edward f*cking Snowden.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.68,0:16:09.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The most famous hero and/or traitor
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.66,0:16:11.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in recent American history!
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.72,0:16:13.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I've started with a question
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.32,0:16:15.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,designed to test his loyalties.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.09,0:16:18.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How much do you miss America?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.19,0:16:21.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, my country is something
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.66,0:16:24.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that travels with me, you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.82,0:16:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not just a geogra...
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.50,0:16:28.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a way too complicated answer.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.31,0:16:29.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The answer is: I miss it a lot.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.82,0:16:31.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's the greatest country in the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.70,0:16:32.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do miss my country.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.70,0:16:33.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do miss my home.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:33.57,0:16:34.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do miss my family.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:34.55,0:16:37.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you miss hot pockets?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.22,0:16:39.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.12,0:16:41.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I miss hot pockets. Very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.09,0:16:43.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay. The entire state of Florida?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.94,0:16:53.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's just let that silence
Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.25,0:16:54.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hang in the air.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.40,0:16:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Truck Nuts?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:57.24,0:16:58.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you miss Truck Nuts?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.39,0:16:59.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know what they are.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.68,0:17:01.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lucky for you, Edward...
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.12,0:17:07.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not just Truck Nuts.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.02,0:17:09.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stars and stripes Truck Nuts.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.49,0:17:11.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is 2 balls of liberty
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.72,0:17:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a freedom sack.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.14,0:17:14.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You really thought ahead.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:14.61,0:17:17.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, at least one of us did.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.08,0:17:20.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, 'cause of the... uhm...
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.08,0:17:22.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the quandary... the...
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.23,0:17:25.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...Kafka-esque nightmare that you're in.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.42,0:17:28.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay. Let's dive in.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:28.04,0:17:30.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why did you do this?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.16,0:17:31.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The NSA has
Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.58,0:17:33.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the greatest surveillance capabilities
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.90,0:17:36.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we've ever seen in history.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.47,0:17:38.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, what they will argue
Dialogue: 0,0:17:38.64,0:17:40.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that they don't use this
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.75,0:17:43.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for nefarious purposes
Dialogue: 0,0:17:43.22,0:17:45.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against American citizens.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.38,0:17:47.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In some ways that's true.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.76,0:17:50.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the real problem is that
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.43,0:17:52.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're using these capabilities
Dialogue: 0,0:17:52.69,0:17:54.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make us vulnerable to them
Dialogue: 0,0:17:54.62,0:17:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then saying:
Dialogue: 0,0:17:56.60,0:17:58.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"While I have a gun pointed at your head
Dialogue: 0,0:17:58.67,0:18:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not gonna pull the trigger."
Dialogue: 0,0:18:00.28,0:18:01.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Trust me."
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.52,0:18:04.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, what does the NSA you want look like?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.47,0:18:07.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because you applied for a job at the NSA.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.84,0:18:09.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you clearly see an inherent value
Dialogue: 0,0:18:09.86,0:18:11.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that shadowy organization.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:11.97,0:18:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I worked with mass-surveillance systems
Dialogue: 0,0:18:15.00,0:18:17.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against Chinese hackers.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:17.75,0:18:19.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I saw that, you know
Dialogue: 0,0:18:19.04,0:18:20.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these things do have some purpose.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.34,0:18:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you want your spies
Dialogue: 0,0:18:21.50,0:18:22.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be good at spying.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.98,0:18:23.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To be fair.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.81,0:18:24.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:24.53,0:18:26.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What you don't want is
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.17,0:18:28.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don't want them spying inside
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.09,0:18:29.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their own country.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.25,0:18:32.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Spies are great when they're on our side.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.68,0:18:33.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we can never forget
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.78,0:18:35.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they're incredibly powerful
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.31,0:18:36.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and incredibly dangerous.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.52,0:18:37.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if they're off the leash...
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.99,0:18:39.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...they can end up coming after us.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.66,0:18:40.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well just to be clear we're talking about
Dialogue: 0,0:18:40.70,0:18:41.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2 different things here
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.74,0:18:42.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Domestic surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.78,0:18:44.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and foreign surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.14,0:18:45.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Cause domestic surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.53,0:18:48.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Americans give some of a shit about.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:48.48,0:18:50.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Foreign surveillance...
Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.09,0:18:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...they don't give any remote shit about.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.42,0:18:53.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well the second question is:
Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.75,0:18:56.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we talk about foreign surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.08,0:18:57.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are we applying it in ways that are
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.90,0:18:59.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beneficial...
Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.13,0:19:00.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No-one cares.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:00.18,0:19:00.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In terms...
Dialogue: 0,0:19:00.92,0:19:02.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They don't give a shit.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:02.11,0:19:04.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We spied on UNICEF, the children's fund.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.80,0:19:06.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sure.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.09,0:19:09.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We spied on lawyers negotiating...
Dialogue: 0,0:19:09.57,0:19:12.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What was UNICEF doing?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:12.76,0:19:13.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean:
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.49,0:19:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the question there, isn't it?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.50,0:19:16.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The question is:
Dialogue: 0,0:19:16.28,0:19:17.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are these projects valuable?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.95,0:19:21.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are we going to be safer when we're spying
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.04,0:19:23.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on UNICEF and lawyers who are talking about
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.36,0:19:25.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the price of shrimp and clove cigarettes.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.64,0:19:27.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think people say that's good.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.41,0:19:28.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think they'll say:
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.38,0:19:30.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I definitely don't care.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.53,0:19:31.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Americans do not give a shit.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:31.96,0:19:32.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think you're right.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.99,0:19:35.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,About foreign surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:35.22,0:19:37.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What some people do care about
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.04,0:19:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is whether Snowden considered
Dialogue: 0,0:19:38.48,0:19:40.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the adverse consequences of leaking
Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.48,0:19:42.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so much information at once.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.76,0:19:44.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How many of those documents
Dialogue: 0,0:19:44.69,0:19:46.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have you actually read?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.82,0:19:48.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've evaluated all the documents
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.89,0:19:50.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are in the archive.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:50.06,0:19:51.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've read every single one?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:51.49,0:19:54.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do understand what I've turned over.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:54.19,0:19:55.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there's a difference between
Dialogue: 0,0:19:55.75,0:19:58.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understanding what's in the documents
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.52,0:20:00.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and reading what's in the documents.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:00.34,0:20:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I recognized the concern.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.46,0:20:04.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Cause when you're handing over
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.33,0:20:06.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thousands of NSA documents the last
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.36,0:20:09.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing you want to do is read them.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.51,0:20:11.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's fair to be concerned about
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.95,0:20:13.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'did this person do enough?'
Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.34,0:20:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'were they careful enough?'
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.50,0:20:16.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Especially when you're handling material
Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.62,0:20:18.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like we know you are handling.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:18.82,0:20:19.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, in my defense:
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.91,0:20:21.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not handling anything anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.55,0:20:23.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's been passed to the journalists
Dialogue: 0,0:20:23.32,0:20:24.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're using extraordinary
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.81,0:20:26.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,security measures to make sure that this
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.75,0:20:28.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is reported in the most responsible way.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.88,0:20:30.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, those are journalists
Dialogue: 0,0:20:30.74,0:20:33.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a lower technical skill-set than you.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.24,0:20:35.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's true. But they DO understand
Dialogue: 0,0:20:35.09,0:20:36.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-just like you and I do-
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.29,0:20:37.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just HOW important it is
Dialogue: 0,0:20:37.57,0:20:38.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get this right.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.78,0:20:41.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the New York Times took a slide
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.02,0:20:42.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,didn't redact it properly...
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.93,0:20:44.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and
Dialogue: 0,0:20:44.47,0:20:45.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the end it was possible
Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.77,0:20:47.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for people to see that something
Dialogue: 0,0:20:47.68,0:20:49.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was being used in Mosul.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.83,0:20:51.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On Al Qaida.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:51.13,0:20:52.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is a problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.76,0:20:53.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, that's a f*ck-up.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:53.94,0:20:55.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a f*ck-up.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.32,0:20:57.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And these things do happen in reporting.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.34,0:20:58.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In journalism we have to accept
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.96,0:21:00.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that some mistakes will be made.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:00.70,0:21:03.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a fundamental concept of liberty.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:03.71,0:21:04.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:04.49,0:21:06.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you have to own that then.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:08.06,0:21:09.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're giving documents with information
Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.91,0:21:11.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know could be harmful
Dialogue: 0,0:21:11.75,0:21:13.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which could get out there.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.71,0:21:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.64,0:21:19.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If people act in bad faith.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:19.18,0:21:21.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not even bad faith, but incompetence.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.65,0:21:22.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.57,0:21:24.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you will never be
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.56,0:21:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,completely free from risk, if you're free.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:28.28,0:21:29.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The only time you can be
Dialogue: 0,0:21:29.48,0:21:31.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free from risk is when you're in prison.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:31.95,0:21:34.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While the risks were significant
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.02,0:21:36.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Snowden himself has made it clear
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.19,0:21:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he feels the rewards have been worth it.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.24,0:21:39.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've said in you letters to Brasil:
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.94,0:21:41.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I was motivated by a believe that
Dialogue: 0,0:21:41.57,0:21:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,citizens deserve to understand
Dialogue: 0,0:21:43.20,0:21:44.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the system in which they live."
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.72,0:21:45.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"My greatest fear was that
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.96,0:21:47.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no-one would listen to my warning."
Dialogue: 0,0:21:47.74,0:21:49.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Never have I been so glad
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.90,0:21:51.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have been so wrong."
Dialogue: 0,0:21:51.69,0:21:53.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How did that feel?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.18,0:21:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was initially terrified that this
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.57,0:21:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was going to be a 3-day story.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:57.00,0:21:59.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everybody was going to forget about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.32,0:22:01.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when I saw that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.16,0:22:03.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody around the world said:
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.24,0:22:05.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Wow, this is a problem."
Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.61,0:22:09.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We have to do something about this."
Dialogue: 0,0:22:09.04,0:22:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It felt like vindication.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.56,0:22:11.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even in America?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.86,0:22:12.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even in America.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.91,0:22:15.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think we're seeing something amazing
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.03,0:22:19.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is if you ask... the American people
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.04,0:22:20.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make tough decisions
Dialogue: 0,0:22:20.100,0:22:23.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to confront tough issues
Dialogue: 0,0:22:23.41,0:22:25.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to think about hard problems...
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.43,0:22:28.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...they'll actually surprise you.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:28.97,0:22:29.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.77,0:22:30.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here's the problem:
Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.78,0:22:32.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did ask some Americans.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:32.45,0:22:35.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, boy did it surprise me.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:37.78,0:22:39.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have no idea who Edward Snowden is.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:39.87,0:22:41.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've never heard of Edward Snowden?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:41.63,0:22:42.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:42.54,0:22:45.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have no idea who Edward Snowden is.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:45.07,0:22:46.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've heard the name
Dialogue: 0,0:22:46.50,0:22:48.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just can't picture... think right now
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.54,0:22:49.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exactly what it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.87,0:22:51.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, he's... uhm...
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.70,0:22:53.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He sold some information to people.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:53.72,0:22:55.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He revealed some information
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.62,0:22:58.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that shouldn't have been revealed.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.98,0:23:01.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Edward Snowden revealed a lot of documents
Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.48,0:23:03.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through Wikileaks.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.55,0:23:05.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Edward Snowden revealed a bunch of
Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.06,0:23:07.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,secrets, I guess...
Dialogue: 0,0:23:07.02,0:23:08.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or information into Wikileaks.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.97,0:23:10.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Edward Snowden leaked... uhm...
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.92,0:23:12.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he's in charge of Wikileaks.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:13.60,0:23:16.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm in charge of Wikileaks.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.13,0:23:17.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not ideal.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:17.58,0:23:18.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess, on the plus side:
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.83,0:23:20.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You might be able to go home.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.23,0:23:21.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Cause it seems like no-one knows
Dialogue: 0,0:23:21.81,0:23:24.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who the f*ck you are or what you did
Dialogue: 0,0:23:24.09,0:23:26.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can't expect everybody to be uniformly
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.70,0:23:28.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,informed.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:28.85,0:23:31.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, did you do this to solve a problem?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:31.34,0:23:34.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did this to give the American people
Dialogue: 0,0:23:34.60,0:23:36.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a chance to decide for themselves
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.85,0:23:39.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the kind of government they want to have.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:39.28,0:23:41.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is a conversation that I think that
Dialogue: 0,0:23:41.62,0:23:44.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the American people deserve to decide.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.25,0:23:45.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no doubt that it is
Dialogue: 0,0:23:45.58,0:23:47.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a critical conversation.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:47.32,0:23:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But is it a conversation that we have
Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.68,0:23:52.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the capacity to have?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.38,0:23:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it's so complicated.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.50,0:23:57.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't fundamentally understand it.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.23,0:23:58.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a challenging conversation.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.99,0:24:00.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's difficult for most people
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.81,0:24:02.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to even conceptualize.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:02.89,0:24:04.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The problem is
Dialogue: 0,0:24:04.13,0:24:05.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the internet is massively complex
Dialogue: 0,0:24:05.94,0:24:08.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so much of it is invisible.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:08.03,0:24:11.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Service providers, technicians, engineers,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:11.18,0:24:12.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the phonenumber....
Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.15,0:24:13.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me stop you right there, Edward.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.87,0:24:15.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Cause this is the whole problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:15.57,0:24:16.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.28,0:24:17.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the whole problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.54,0:24:18.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I glaze over.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:18.35,0:24:20.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like the IT-guy comes to your office
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.32,0:24:23.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you go: "Oooh shit".
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.25,0:24:24.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fairness...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:24.48,0:24:26.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Ooh shit, don't teach me anything."
Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.92,0:24:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I don't want to learn."
Dialogue: 0,0:24:28.60,0:24:30.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You smell like canned soup."
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.84,0:24:32.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a real challenge to figure out
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.60,0:24:35.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how do we communicate
Dialogue: 0,0:24:35.11,0:24:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things that require sort of years and years
Dialogue: 0,0:24:37.92,0:24:39.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of technical understanding.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:39.47,0:24:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And compress that into seconds of speech.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:42.68,0:24:45.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I'm sympathetic to the problem there.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.95,0:24:47.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the thing is
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.33,0:24:49.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything you did only matters
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.46,0:24:52.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we have this conversation properly.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.76,0:24:54.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So let me help you out there.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:54.43,0:24:56.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You mentioned in an interview
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.19,0:24:57.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the NSA was passing around
Dialogue: 0,0:24:57.81,0:24:59.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,naked photo's of people.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.27,0:25:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah. This is something where it's...
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.28,0:25:05.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not actually seen as a big deal.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.53,0:25:07.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the culture of NSA.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.38,0:25:09.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because you see naked pictures
Dialogue: 0,0:25:09.23,0:25:10.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:10.59,0:25:11.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.69,0:25:13.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Terrifies people.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.23,0:25:15.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Cause when we asked people about THAT...
Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.52,0:25:17.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...this is the response you get.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.28,0:25:18.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The government should not be able
Dialogue: 0,0:25:18.87,0:25:20.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to look at dick-pictures.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:20.08,0:25:21.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the government was looking at
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.96,0:25:23.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a picture of Gordon's penis
Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.76,0:25:25.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I definitely feel it would be an invasion
Dialogue: 0,0:25:25.96,0:25:27.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of my privacy.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.28,0:25:29.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ah, yeah, if the government was looking at
Dialogue: 0,0:25:29.31,0:25:31.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pictures of my penis, that would upset me.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:31.33,0:25:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They should never, ever
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.92,0:25:34.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the US government have a picture
Dialogue: 0,0:25:34.26,0:25:35.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of my dick.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:35.61,0:25:37.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If my husband sent me
Dialogue: 0,0:25:37.02,0:25:38.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a picture of his penis
Dialogue: 0,0:25:38.47,0:25:40.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the government could access it
Dialogue: 0,0:25:40.36,0:25:43.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would want that program to be shut down.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:43.82,0:25:47.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would want the Dick-pic Program changed.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:47.97,0:25:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would also want the Dick-pic program
Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.80,0:25:50.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changed.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:50.71,0:25:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would be terrific if the program
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.42,0:25:53.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could change.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:53.17,0:25:54.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would want it to be tweeked
Dialogue: 0,0:25:54.83,0:25:56.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would want it to have clear and
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.98,0:25:59.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transparent laws that we knew about.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.38,0:26:01.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that were communicated to us.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:01.39,0:26:03.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To understand what they're being used for.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:03.86,0:26:05.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or why the were being kept.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.28,0:26:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you think that program exists?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:06.88,0:26:09.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think that program exists at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.22,0:26:13.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:13.24,0:26:16.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I had knowledge that the US government
Dialogue: 0,0:26:16.86,0:26:19.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had a picture of my dick...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.03,0:26:21.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...I would be very pissed off.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:24.01,0:26:25.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:25.77,0:26:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The good news is that there's no
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.50,0:26:30.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,program named 'the Dick-pic Program'.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:30.34,0:26:32.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The bad news is that they are still
Dialogue: 0,0:26:32.02,0:26:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,collecting everybody's information.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.75,0:26:35.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Including your dick-pics.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.60,0:26:36.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's the over/under on that last guy
Dialogue: 0,0:26:36.99,0:26:39.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having sent a dick-pic recently?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.97,0:26:42.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't need to guess, I'll show you.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:42.41,0:26:44.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:44.26,0:26:47.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did take a picture of my... dick.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.52,0:26:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I sent it to a girl. Recently.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.72,0:26:53.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the most visible
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.25,0:26:55.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,line in the sand for people.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.35,0:26:59.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Can they see my dick?"
Dialogue: 0,0:26:59.15,0:27:01.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, with that in mind...
Dialogue: 0,0:27:01.31,0:27:03.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look inside that folder.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:07.28,0:27:09.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:09.23,0:27:10.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is a picture of my dick.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.81,0:27:13.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So let's go through each NSA program
Dialogue: 0,0:27:13.07,0:27:15.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and explain to me it's capabilities
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.18,0:27:18.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in regards to that photograph...
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.21,0:27:20.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...of my penis.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:20.81,0:27:24.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,702 Surveillance: can they see my dick?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.24,0:27:25.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:25.69,0:27:28.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The FISA-amendment act of 2008
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.31,0:27:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which Section 702 falls under
Dialogue: 0,0:27:30.18,0:27:33.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allows the bulk-collection
Dialogue: 0,0:27:33.23,0:27:34.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of internet communications that are
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.90,0:27:35.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one-end foreign.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:35.75,0:27:36.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bulk-collection:
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.56,0:27:38.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we're talking about my dick.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:38.34,0:27:39.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You get it.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:39.06,0:27:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not what...
Dialogue: 0,0:27:39.88,0:27:41.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You get it though, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:41.11,0:27:41.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:41.98,0:27:43.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it's... it's... yeah, anyway.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:43.83,0:27:46.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, if you have you're email somewhere
Dialogue: 0,0:27:46.22,0:27:48.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like G-mail, hosted on a server overseas
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.72,0:27:50.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or transferred over seas
Dialogue: 0,0:27:50.28,0:27:52.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or it any time crosses outside the borders
Dialogue: 0,0:27:52.72,0:27:54.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the United States...
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.95,0:27:57.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...you're junk ends up in the database.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:57.42,0:27:58.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it doesn't have to be
Dialogue: 0,0:27:58.81,0:28:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sending your dick to a German?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.44,0:28:01.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:01.15,0:28:02.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even if you sent it to somebody
Dialogue: 0,0:28:02.68,0:28:04.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within the United States
Dialogue: 0,0:28:04.38,0:28:07.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your wholly domestic communication
Dialogue: 0,0:28:07.72,0:28:09.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between you and your wife
Dialogue: 0,0:28:09.35,0:28:10.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can go from New York...
Dialogue: 0,0:28:10.51,0:28:11.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to London and back.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.79,0:28:13.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And get caught up in the database.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:13.47,0:28:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Executive Order 12-333: Dick or no dick?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.64,0:28:17.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:17.62,0:28:21.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EO 12-333 is what the NSA uses when the
Dialogue: 0,0:28:21.40,0:28:23.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other authorities aren't aggressive enough
Dialogue: 0,0:28:23.65,0:28:26.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or not catching as much as they'd like.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:26.08,0:28:27.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example:
Dialogue: 0,0:28:27.48,0:28:29.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How are they gonna see my dick?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:29.22,0:28:32.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm only concerned about my penis.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.04,0:28:35.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you send your junk
Dialogue: 0,0:28:35.88,0:28:37.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through G-mail, for example.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:37.76,0:28:40.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's stored on Google's servers.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:40.61,0:28:43.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Google moves data.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:43.37,0:28:45.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from datacenter to datacenter.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.07,0:28:45.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Invisibly to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.94,0:28:47.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Without your knowledge...
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.33,0:28:49.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your data could be moved outside
Dialogue: 0,0:28:49.22,0:28:50.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the borders of the United States.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.82,0:28:51.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh no.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:51.58,0:28:52.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Temporarily.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.76,0:28:56.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When your junk was passed by G-mail
Dialogue: 0,0:28:56.80,0:28:58.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the NSA caught a copy of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.56,0:28:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Prism.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:59.92,0:29:02.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Prism is how they pull your junk
Dialogue: 0,0:29:02.60,0:29:05.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out of Google, with Google's involvement.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.37,0:29:07.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of the different Prism partners
Dialogue: 0,0:29:07.57,0:29:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people like Yahoo, Facebook, Google.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:10.60,0:29:13.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The government deputizes them, to be...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:13.66,0:29:16.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of their little surveillance sheriff.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.90,0:29:18.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're a dick-sheriff.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:18.17,0:29:19.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Correct.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:19.06,0:29:20.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uhm, Upstream?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:20.63,0:29:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Upstream is how they snatch your junk
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.12,0:29:25.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as it transits the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:25.45,0:29:26.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay. Mystic.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.39,0:29:27.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're describing your junk
Dialogue: 0,0:29:27.86,0:29:28.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the phone?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:28.94,0:29:29.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:29.74,0:29:31.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But do they have the content
Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.08,0:29:32.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of that junk-call
Dialogue: 0,0:29:32.08,0:29:33.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or just the duration of it?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:33.74,0:29:35.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have the content as well
Dialogue: 0,0:29:35.55,0:29:37.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but only for a few countries.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:37.14,0:29:38.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you are on vacation in the Bahamas?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:38.85,0:29:40.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:40.05,0:29:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Finally. And you need to remind yourself...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.52,0:29:44.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, I'm just not sure...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:44.63,0:29:46.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what to do with this.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:46.36,0:29:47.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just hold on to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.98,0:29:49.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a lot of responsibility.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.41,0:29:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah. It is a lot of responsibility.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:51.28,0:29:52.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the whole point.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.57,0:29:53.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Should I...?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.43,0:29:54.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, you should absolutely not.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:54.80,0:29:55.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's unbelievable
Dialogue: 0,0:29:55.95,0:29:57.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you would do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:57.77,0:29:59.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, it's entirely believable.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:59.22,0:30:01.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,215 Meta-data?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:01.20,0:30:02.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.27,0:30:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:03.04,0:30:04.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:04.13,0:30:05.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Come on, Ed.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:05.62,0:30:07.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can probably tell who you're sharing
Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.11,0:30:08.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your junk pictures with.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:08.82,0:30:09.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because they're seeing
Dialogue: 0,0:30:09.76,0:30:11.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who you're texting with
Dialogue: 0,0:30:11.27,0:30:12.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who you're calling.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.31,0:30:13.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you call
Dialogue: 0,0:30:13.30,0:30:15.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the penis enlargement centre at 3 AM
Dialogue: 0,0:30:15.25,0:30:16.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that call lasted 90 minutes?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:16.30,0:30:17.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They would have a record
Dialogue: 0,0:30:17.34,0:30:18.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of YOUR phone-number
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.86,0:30:21.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,calling THAT phone-number.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:21.18,0:30:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Which is a penis enlargement center).
Dialogue: 0,0:30:23.60,0:30:25.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They would say they don't know
Dialogue: 0,0:30:25.39,0:30:26.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's penis enlargement center
Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.31,0:30:27.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but of course they can look it up.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:27.23,0:30:29.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Edward, if the American people
Dialogue: 0,0:30:29.50,0:30:32.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understood this...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:32.51,0:30:34.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...they would be absolutely horrified.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:34.54,0:30:36.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess I never thought about putting it
Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.47,0:30:38.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:38.67,0:30:40.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...in the context of your junk.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:40.61,0:30:43.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would a good take-away from this be:
Dialogue: 0,0:30:43.70,0:30:45.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Until such time as we've sorted
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.72,0:30:47.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of this out...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.12,0:30:50.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...don't take pictures of your dick'.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:50.02,0:30:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just don't do it anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:51.88,0:30:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No. If we do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:54.16,0:30:56.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wait, hold on, you're saying 'no'?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:56.71,0:30:57.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:57.10,0:30:58.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You should keep
Dialogue: 0,0:30:58.10,0:30:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taking pictures of your dick?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.09,0:31:01.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes. You shouldn't change your behavior
Dialogue: 0,0:31:01.21,0:31:02.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of a government agency somehwere
Dialogue: 0,0:31:02.58,0:31:04.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is doing the wrong thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:04.13,0:31:06.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we sacrifice our values
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.51,0:31:08.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we're afraid, we don't care
Dialogue: 0,0:31:08.39,0:31:09.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about those values very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:09.80,0:31:12.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is a pretty inspiring answer
Dialogue: 0,0:31:12.07,0:31:13.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the question:
Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.28,0:31:14.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Hey, why did you just send me
Dialogue: 0,0:31:14.75,0:31:16.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a picture of your dick?"
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.67,0:31:20.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Because I love America, that's why."
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.46,0:31:23.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there you have it, America.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:23.29,0:31:24.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of us should now be equipped
Dialogue: 0,0:31:24.81,0:31:26.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have this vital debate.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:26.77,0:31:28.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because by June 1
Dialogue: 0,0:31:28.15,0:31:30.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is imperative we have a rational
Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.19,0:31:31.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,adult conversation
Dialogue: 0,0:31:31.52,0:31:33.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about whether our safety is worth
Dialogue: 0,0:31:33.39,0:31:35.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,living in a country of barely regulated
Dialogue: 0,0:31:35.87,0:31:38.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,government-sanctioned dick-sheriffs.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:40.98,0:31:42.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And with my work here done
Dialogue: 0,0:31:42.44,0:31:44.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was just time to take care of
Dialogue: 0,0:31:44.26,0:31:45.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one more thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:45.58,0:31:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Finally, congratulations on Citizenfour
Dialogue: 0,0:31:47.42,0:31:48.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,winning the Oscar.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:48.57,0:31:50.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know you couldn't be at the ceremony
Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.40,0:31:52.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for obvious reasons, so...
Dialogue: 0,0:31:53.84,0:31:56.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought we'd celebrate ourselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:56.31,0:31:57.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cheers.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:57.31,0:31:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wow, that's...
Dialogue: 0,0:31:59.09,0:32:00.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...that's really, really something.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:00.79,0:32:01.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:01.53,0:32:02.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're welcome.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:02.41,0:32:03.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's the over/under on me
Dialogue: 0,0:32:03.81,0:32:05.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting home safely?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:05.59,0:32:07.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, if you weren't on the list before
Dialogue: 0,0:32:07.01,0:32:08.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are now.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:11.50,0:32:13.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is that like, uhm...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:14.15,0:32:16.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is that like a f... is that like a...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.09,0:32:17.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...joke? Or is that actually possible?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:17.91,0:32:19.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, it's... it's a real thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.57,0:32:21.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're associated now.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:22.83,0:32:23.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:23.53,0:32:24.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just to be clear, NSA:
Dialogue: 0,0:32:24.92,0:32:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never met this guy
Dialogue: 0,0:32:26.40,0:32:28.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so take me off you're f*cking list.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:28.81,0:32:31.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I DO NOT want to get stuck in Russia.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:31.55,0:32:34.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to go home I want to go home
Dialogue: 0,0:32:37.65,0:32:40.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, just for the record.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:40.04,0:32:41.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just so you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:41.74,0:32:44.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We got in touch with the NSA,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:44.14,0:32:45.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the National Security Council,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.62,0:32:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the White House.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:46.60,0:32:47.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we asked them to comment
Dialogue: 0,0:32:47.97,0:32:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the dick-pick capabilities
Dialogue: 0,0:32:50.08,0:32:51.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of each of the programs Edward Snowden
Dialogue: 0,0:32:51.95,0:32:52.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just discussed.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:52.76,0:32:54.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which -incidentally- were some very fun
Dialogue: 0,0:32:54.62,0:32:57.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emails to write to government agencies.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:57.30,0:32:59.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They didn't wish to comment on the record.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:59.87,0:33:00.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I can see why
Dialogue: 0,0:33:00.70,0:33:02.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for every possible reason.