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This is Larry Lessig.

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There is a scholar, an activist, a leader
a former Labor Secretary,

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a citizen and a friend, -- Robert Reich --
who has been trash-talking

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the idea of a convention to propose
amendments to our Constitution.

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That fact really bothers me.

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I don't think there is a single thing
I've heard Reich say,

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or a single sentence of his writing,
at least the slice of it that I've read,

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that I disagree with.

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Indeed, his work is an inspiration,
even the controversial work.

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And so when I saw a video that he did,
attacking the idea of a convention,

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it gave me pause.

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Maybe he was right?

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He's been right for me at least
every single time before.

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So I decided to try to work out
an argument for why I thought

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Reich was not right.

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Hard as it is for me to utter these words
and arguments about

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why Reich is wrong,

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and that argument that might convince
even Robert Reich,

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I would start by writing it:
if you're hearing these words,

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it's because I've convinced myself

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that I've got something that is both true
and might work.

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This isn't an argument
that can be captured in a tweet,

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or even a video, though this podcast
is CC-licensed,

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so please feel free to take it and render it
however you see fit.

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Instead this is an argument
for slow democracy,

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which means this is an argument
for a podcast.

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And so over the next five episodes
of Season 2 of this podcast, Another Way,

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I'm going to lay out the argument
for why Reich is wrong

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and why a convention of the States
is right.

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And whether it's enough for Robert Reich
I hope it's enough to convince you,

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because even if you're not the coolest 
former Secretary of Labor in America,

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in a democracy, your views should count
just as much as his.

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I'm grateful to The Young Turks
for making this podcast possible.

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Season 1 of this podcast was sponsored
by Equal Citizens,

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but as Robert Reich is a board member
of Equal Citizens,

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I couldn't very well ask them
to support this.

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So while you can find both seasons
available at tyt.com,

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you can find only season 1
at equalcitizens.us .

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So here goes: to Article 5 and beyond.

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(Music)