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Disappearance of a 50,000 men Egyptian army | Olaf Kaper | TEDxEde

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    Ever since I was a little boy,
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    I had this passion for anything
    to do with ancient Egypt,
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    and I couldn't explain it.
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    My parents were surprised.
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    They didn't know what this would lead to,
    but I assured them it would be all right,
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    and so I went on to study Egyptology.
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    And now I'm doing research
    that has led me to find out
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    something about one of the greatest
    mysteries of the ancient world.
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    That's the story I want to tell you.
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    So, I went to study Egyptology.
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    That means you study ancient hieroglyphs,
    you study archaeological remains,
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    and you try to find out as much as you can
    about this ancient culture.
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    You may think that Egyptology
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    is a very tiny little edge
    of human knowledge.
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    Well, it's pretty large;
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    Egypt has a history
    of more than 5,000 years,
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    and to cover everything
    from that enormous history
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    is too much.
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    So my colleagues, Egyptologists,
    also specialize even further.
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    They do one or two periods
    of that history,
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    or they work on particular types
    of material, on religion, etc.
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    When the time came for me to choose
    my specialization in Egyptology,
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    I decided to work on material
    that had been more or less neglected,
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    that was the least studied of all -
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    in the time when Egypt started to change
    from the ancient pharaonic culture
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    to a more modern Hellenistic type
    of society, the Greco-Roman period.
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    And I got involved in
    an archaeological project in Egypt,
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    where I worked on Roman period
    remains in the desert,
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    in the oases of the Western Desert.
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    Now, you could say that I painted myself
    into a pretty corner there;
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    being an Egyptologist
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    and also working in a period
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    that was considered the least interesting
    and irrelevant of all.
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    Still, it has led me to some new ideas.
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    And I first want to take you back
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    to the ancient world
    and to the Greek historian Herodotus.
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    Herodotus came to Egypt, ancient Egypt.
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    He traveled around in the time
    of the pharaohs around 450 BC,
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    and it's something
    I would love to do myself -
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    to be able to travel around
    in the days of the pharaohs.
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    He wrote down exactly
    what he heard and saw -
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    very valuable material.
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    One of the stories he relates
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    is that of a Persian army
    sent out into the Western Desert
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    and it never came back.
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    What happened?
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    Cambyses II, the Persian king,
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    came with a large army,
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    he conquered Egypt,
    and he went down further south.
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    And when he was in Thebes,
    in the south, in modern-day Luxor,
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    he split off 50,000 men of his army,
    and he sent them into the Western Desert
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    to attack the worshippers
    of Amun, the Amonians,
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    and they would set fire
    to the oracle of Amun -
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    that was their purpose.
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    Well, somehow, they traveled with a guide,
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    they set off from Thebes,
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    and they traveled for seven days
    through the desert
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    until they reached a city called Oasis.
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    Then they went on further, Herodotus says,
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    they travel towards the Amonians
    and hold somewhere,
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    and then when they were having
    breakfast there,
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    a sand storm comes up,
    a huge wind of extraordinary force,
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    and the sand makes them disappear.
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    Herodotus says
    they never reach the Amonians
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    and they never come back
    to the Nile Valley.
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    This is one of the great mysteries
    of the ancient world,
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    and of course,
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    many people have been wondering
    what happened to them,
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    and many people in modern times
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    have tried to find
    the remains of this army
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    because the idea of having
    a complete army from the Persian period
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    covered in a sand dune
    that would just all be there to excavate -
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    it's just too good to be true.
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    (Laughter)
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    Of course, they would travel
    with their animals,
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    they would have their weapons
    with them, coins -
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    whatever was in their possession
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    would still be there.
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    So many people have sought for this army.
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    To me, it has always been
    a bit too good to be true.
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    I had trouble with
    this story of Herodotus;
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    there are several things, actually,
    which don't add up.
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    First of all, the Persians
    traveled with 50,000 men.
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    That's a huge amount for desert journeys,
    especially for longer desert journeys.
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    There they go,
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    seven days through the desert
    before they reach the first stop.
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    It's completely impractical. Why?
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    Well, they all have to take
    their own water and food,
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    and then all the animals that travel
    with them to carry this water and food
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    also need water and food, and so on.
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    The caravan would be huge -
    far too impractical.
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    Then, there is also the point of Thebes:
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    They were sent out from Thebes;
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    Cambyses sent them
    into the Western Desert from Thebes
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    and to go to the Amonians.
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    Well, there was an oracle of Amun,
    a very famous oracle,
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    that also Alexander the Great visited.
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    And that's in Siwa, that's up in the north
    of the Western Desert.
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    You don't go there from Thebes.
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    When you want to go to Siwa,
    you travel the northern coast,
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    and that would be far more sensible.
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    So, again, I don't understand.
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    Then the matter of death:
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    This army disappears
    in a sand dune, in a storm.
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    Well, I traveled a lot
    in the Western Desert myself,
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    and I spoke to many travelers
    who are very experienced in the Sahara.
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    And sandstorms are pretty nasty -
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    they can be a huge nuisance,
    they can last for days,
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    you can run out of water,
    you can lose your way -
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    but it doesn't kill you.
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    The sandstorm -
    certainly with a large army -
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    it's inconceivable that it would actually
    kill this amount of people.
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    So, to me,
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    the legend recorded by Herodotus
    was just that, a legend, a myth,
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    something that couldn't have
    happened in reality.
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    But still, it's attractive; it's a story.
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    People like to believe the unbelievable.
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    Just the idea is attractive because it is
    about hidden treasure as well -
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    hidden treasure somewhere
    out in the Egyptian desert.
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    To me, as a scientist,
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    I was interested in the story
    because I wanted to find out,
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    Where does it come from?
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    What is the basis in reality?
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    Why did this story come up?
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    And in my work in the archaeology
    of the Western Desert,
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    I actually came across material
    that helped me to solve this puzzle.
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    Since about 10 years,
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    I excavate with a team of Americans
    and Italians from New York University.
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    We excavate in a city
    in the oasis of Dakhla,
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    and the city has a temple
    that functioned for about 1,500 years.
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    And one of the first pieces we found
    was written in hieroglyphs,
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    and it contained a name,
    a royal name, "Petubastis" -
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    well, very interesting,
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    but there are several kings
    with this name, Petubastis;
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    I couldn't place him
    and it was just one piece.
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    Then 2014, in January,
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    we found further pieces,
    and that helped them to solve this.
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    And it turned out
    that this was Petubastis IV,
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    a king that was almost unknown.
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    It was a huge surprise
    because this king was a guerilla leader,
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    he was a rebel,
    he was in the early Persian period,
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    he was challenging the authorities
    and claiming royal titles,
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    but up in the north of the country.
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    We had a few references to his name,
    and that was all we knew of him.
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    We had four blocks
    with the tutelary of this king.
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    We had some further inscriptions;
    they could be pieced together.
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    And it turned out that this was a gateway,
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    a decorated doorway, that was inscribed
    with full titles of this Petubastis IV,
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    and an inscription saying that he built
    this temple for the local god of the city.
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    It was a big discovery.
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    I realized immediately
    that this would be something big
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    because it didn't add up.
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    I was very much confused, actually,
    when we found it.
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    I went home.
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    And in the evening,
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    I was sitting in our excavation house,
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    on a bench in front
    of the house in the dark,
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    and I sat there for several hours
    because I couldn't work it out.
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    We had found evidence
    for a rebel leader, a guerrilla fighter,
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    a Che Guevara of the ancient world,
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    building a temple out in a corner
    of the country where he wasn't known,
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    and - building a temple -
    guerrilla leaders don't build temples.
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    It didn't add up.
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    And besides, there was no books
    bout this Petubastis number four,
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    we didn't know anything about him,
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    and suddenly, he turns up
    and he built a temple in the oasis.
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    I sat for hours there -
    the moon was coming up,
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    the noise of crickets in the fields.
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    I was sort of waiting
    for things to add up,
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    and suddenly, it struck me:
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    I could connect the story;
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    I could connect the points
    of the Petubastis's blocks that we found
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    to other material that we knew.
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    Let me explain.
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    Cambyses II came with his huge army
    and went down the Nile,
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    and when he sent out his army from Thebes,
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    that is exactly because we had
    Petubastis IV in the Dakhla Oasis -
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    this was his home base.
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    We have the enemy now
    of the Persian army
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    who was challenging the army in such a way
    that 50,000 men or something similar
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    had to be sent out
    into the Western Desert to be defeated.
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    Now, we can assume
    that there was a battle;
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    there must have been
    an Egyptian force in the oasis,
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    and there must have been a confrontation -
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    perhaps more confrontations,
    we don't know that yet -
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    but we should be looking for a battlefield
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    somewhere in the region
    between Thebes and the Oasis of Dakhla.
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    And that's the reason why in the end,
    there was a temple built in the oasis.
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    We know that Petubastis won the battle
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    because he went on
    to claim the capital of Egypt.
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    He went on to the north,
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    and that's where
    we already found his name.
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    So, suddenly, it made a lot of sense:
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    We should be looking for a battle field
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    rather than a lost army
    lost in a sand dune.
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    I think that the story that I found
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    gives back this king
    [his place in] the king list of Egypt.
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    My story is about
    a forgotten king, basically.
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    This Petubastis IV was far more important
    than we made him out to be.
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    He was actually in charge
    for several years;
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    we can now estimate that he must
    have been in charge for several years.
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    He had enough power.
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    He had enough influence
    to have temples built in his name,
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    which is quite something special.
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    Okay, we have another king
    in the king list of Egypt added.
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    To me personally,
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    the story is also very much
    about the choices I have made in my life.
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    To me, I realized early on
    where my passion was,
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    that I wanted to become an Egyptologist,
    and in the end, that's what I did.
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    I think it's actually
    the most important thing
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    you can do in your life:
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    follow your passion,
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    find out where your passion is
    and follow it,
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    wherever it may take you,
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    and in the end,
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    it may enable you
    to rewrite a part of history.
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    Thank you very much.
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    (Applause)
Title:
Disappearance of a 50,000 men Egyptian army | Olaf Kaper | TEDxEde
Description:

Ever heard the story about the Persian king Cambyses who sent his army of 50,000 men into the desert and they never came back? They supposedly just disappeared. This is one of the great mysteries which Olaf has solved.

Olaf Kaper is professor in Egyptology at the university of Leiden. He forms part of an international excavation team in the Dakhla Oasis in the Western Desert of Egypt, and he is reconstructing the history of that area and the temples of the ancient Egyptian religion.

This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx

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  • https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/has-mystery-lost-persian-army-finally-been-solved-001778

    Petubastis III or Petubastis IV ?

  • Hi Maria,

    I also found the story from the speaker's university news archive when I was transcribing the talk:

    https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/news/archive-divers/2014/06/leiden-egyptologist-unravels-ancient-mystery

    It also states the discovery was of Petubastis III. But this article and the page you cited were published in 2014, and the talk was giving in 2015. My first guess was that there was an update in the speaker's research. As I dug further, it turns out that Petubastis III and Petubastis IV were the same person. Please see footnote 26 on page 164 of this article in the Journal of Near Eastern Studies, published in October, 2018, which was based on or an extension of the speaker's research project:

    https://www.academia.edu/36842074/_The_Worst_Revolt_of_the_Bisitun_Crisis_A_Chronological_Reconstruction_of_the_Egyptian_Revolt_under_Petubastis_IV_Journal_of_Near_Eastern_Studies_77_no._2_October_2018_157-173

    If you cannot open the page, please see the introduction to this wiki page:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petubastis_III ,

    which also states that the third and the fourth were one and the same.

    I hope my answer is satisfactory :)

    Cheers,
    Amanda

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