NEWSNIGHT - Paxman vs Brand. Full Interview.
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0:01 - 0:05[J] Russell Brand who are you
to edit a political magazine? -
0:05 - 0:09[R] Well, I suppose like a person who's been
politely asked by attractive woman. -
0:09 - 0:11I don't know what the typical criteria is,
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0:11 - 0:14I don't know many people that edit political magazines.
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0:14 - 0:16Boris, he used to do on, didn't he?
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0:16 - 0:19So I'm a person with crazy hair
quite good sense of humor, -
0:19 - 0:21don't know much about politics,
I'm ideal! -
0:21 - 0:23[J] But is it true you don't even vote?
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0:23 - 0:25[R] Yeah. No, I don't vote.
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0:25 - 0:27[J] Well how do you have any authority
to talk about politics then? -
0:27 - 0:32[R] Well I don't get my authority from this
pre-existing paradigm which is quite narrow -
0:32 - 0:34and only serves a few people.
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0:34 - 0:39I look elsewhere for alternatives that might be of service to humanity.
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0:39 - 0:42Alternate means, alternate political systems.
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0:42 - 0:43[J] They being?
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0:43 - 0:45[R] Well I've not invented it yet Jeremy!
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0:45 - 0:48I had to do a magazine last week,
I've had a lot on me plate! -
0:48 - 0:50But, I say, here's the thing that it shouldn't do:
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0:50 - 0:52shouldn't destroy the planet,
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0:52 - 0:55shouldn't create massive economic disparity,
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0:55 - 0:57shouldn't ignore the needs of the people.
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0:57 - 1:01The burden of proof is on the people with the power
not people like doing a magazine -
1:01 - 1:05[J] How do you imagine the people get power?
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1:05 - 1:08[R] Well I imagine there are sort of hierarchical systems that have been preserved for generations...
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1:08 - 1:10[J] They get power by being voted in...
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1:10 - 1:12You won't even be asked to vote.
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1:12 - 1:16[R] That's quite a narrow
quite narrow prescriptive parameter -
1:16 - 1:17that changes within the...
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1:17 - 1:19[J] In a democracy, that's how it works.
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1:19 - 1:23[R] Well I don't think it's working very well Jeremy,
given that the planet is being destroyed, -
1:23 - 1:25given there's economic disparity of a huge degree.
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1:25 - 1:28What you're saying there is no alternative?
There is no alternative? -
1:28 - 1:31[J] No I'm not saying that. I'm saying that
if you cant be asked to vote, -
1:31 - 1:33why should we be asked to listen
to your political point of view? -
1:33 - 1:35[R] You don't have to listen to my
political point of view, -
1:35 - 1:37but it's not that I'm not-voting out of apathy,
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1:37 - 1:42I'm not-voting out of absolute indifference, and weariness, and exhaustion,
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1:42 - 1:45from the lies, treachery, deceit of the political class,
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1:45 - 1:47that has been going on for generations now,
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1:47 - 1:49and which has now reached fever pitch
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1:49 - 1:52where we have a disenfranchised, disillusioned, despondent underclass,
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1:52 - 1:54that are not being represented
by that political system. -
1:54 - 1:58So voting for it is tacit complicity with that system;
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1:58 - 2:00that's not something I'm offering up.
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2:00 - 2:01[J] Well why don't you change it then?
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2:01 - 2:03[R] I'm trying to!
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2:03 - 2:04[J] Well why don't you start by voting?
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2:04 - 2:06[J laughing] I don't think it works!
People have voted already, -
2:06 - 2:08and that's what created the current paradigm.
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2:08 - 2:09[J] When did you last vote?
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2:09 - 2:10[R] Never.
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2:10 - 2:12[J] You've never ever voted?
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2:12 - 2:13[R] No, do you think that's really bad?
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2:13 - 2:16[J] So you struck an attitude, what,
before the age of 18? -
2:16 - 2:18[R] Well i was busy being a drug addict at that point,
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2:18 - 2:20because I come from the kind of social conditions
that are exacerbated -
2:20 - 2:24by an indifferent system that really just administrates for large corporations
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2:24 - 2:27and ignores the population that it was voted in to serve.
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2:27 - 2:30[J] You're blaming the political class for the fact
that you had a drug problem? -
2:30 - 2:33[R] No no no. I'm saying I was part of the social and economic class
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2:33 - 2:36that is underserved by the current political system,
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2:36 - 2:39and drug addiction's one of the problems it creates.
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2:39 - 2:43When you have huge underserved impoverished populations, people get drug problems,
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2:43 - 2:48and also don't feel like they want to engage
with the current political system -
2:48 - 2:50because they see that it doesn't work for them,
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2:50 - 2:53they see that it makes no difference,
they see that they're not served. -
2:53 - 2:55[J] Of course it doesn't work for them
if they don't bother to vote! -
2:55 - 2:59[R] Jeremy my darling, I'm not saying...
The apathy doesn't come from us the people, -
2:59 - 3:01the apathy comes from the politicians
they are apathetic to our needs. -
3:01 - 3:04They're only interested in servicing
the needs of corporations. -
3:04 - 3:10Look at what... ain't the Tories going to court, to take the EU to court because they're trying to curtail bank bonuses?
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3:10 - 3:12Is that what's happening at the moment
in our country? -
3:12 - 3:13It is, innit?
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3:13 - 3:15So why am i gonna tune in for that?
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3:15 - 3:17[J] You don't believe in democracy,
you want a revolution, don't you? -
3:17 - 3:20[R] The planet is being destroyed,
we are creating an underclass, -
3:20 - 3:23we are exploiting poor people all over the world
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3:23 - 3:27and the genuine legitimate problems of the people
are not being addressed by our political class. -
3:27 - 3:29[J] All of those things may be true...
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3:29 - 3:30[R] They are true!
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3:30 - 3:33[J] But you took... i wouldn't argue with you about many of them...
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3:33 - 3:35[R] Well 'ow come I feel so cross with you?
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3:35 - 3:38It can't be because of that beard, it's gorgeous!
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3:38 - 3:40and if the Daily Mail don't want it, I do!
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3:40 - 3:43I'm against them! Grow it longer!
Tangle it into your armpit hair! -
3:43 - 3:46[J] You are a very trivial man.
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3:46 - 3:47[R] Oh, do you think I'm trivial?
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3:47 - 3:48[J] Yes!
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3:48 - 3:51[R] A minute ago you were avin' a go at me because I want a revolution, now I'm trivial!
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3:51 - 3:53I'm bouncin' about all over the place!
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3:53 - 3:56[J] I'm not having a go at you because you want a revolution, many people want a revolution,
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3:56 - 3:58but I'm asking you what it will be like?
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3:58 - 4:00[R] Well I think what it won't be like is
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4:00 - 4:03a huge disparity between rich and poor
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4:03 - 4:10where 300 Americans have the same amount of wealth as the 85 million poorest americans
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4:10 - 4:15where there is a an exploited and underserved underclass that have been continually ignored,
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4:15 - 4:18where welfare is slashed while Cameron and Osborne go to court
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4:18 - 4:23to defend the rights of bankers to continue receiving their bonuses, that's all i'm saying.
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4:23 - 4:26[J] What's the scheme? That's all i'm asking, what's the scheme?
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4:26 - 4:29You talked vaguely about revolution, what is it?
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4:29 - 4:32[R] I think a socialist egalitarian system based on the massive redistribution of wealth,
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4:32 - 4:37heavy taxation of corporations and massive responsibility for energy companies
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4:37 - 4:39and any companies exploiting the environment,
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4:39 - 4:41I think they should be tax...
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4:41 - 4:43I think the very concept of profit
should be hugely reduced. -
4:43 - 4:47David Cameron says profit isn't a dirty word,
I say profit is a filthy word -
4:47 - 4:49because wherever there is profit
there is also a deficit, -
4:49 - 4:52and this system currently
doesn't address these ideas. -
4:52 - 4:56and so why would anyone vote for it?
Why would anyone be interested? -
4:56 - 4:57[J] Who would levy these taxes?
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4:57 - 5:00[R] I think we do need like... there needs to be a centralized administrative system...
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5:00 - 5:02[J] A government?
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5:02 - 5:07[R] Well maybe call it something else, call it like
the AdminBots so they don't get ahead of themselves... -
5:07 - 5:09[J] How would they be chosen?
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5:09 - 5:13[R] Jeremy, don't ask me to sit here in an interview with you in a bloody hotel room,
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5:13 - 5:15and devise a global utopian system.
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5:15 - 5:17I'm merely pointing out that the current...
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5:17 - 5:19[J] You are calling for revolution!
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5:19 - 5:23[R] Yeah! Absolutely! I'm calling for change,
I'm calling for genuine alternatives. -
5:23 - 5:25[J] There are many people
who would agree with you... -
5:25 - 5:26[R] Good!
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5:26 - 5:29[J] The current system is not engaging with all sorts of problems, yes,
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5:29 - 5:33and they feel apathetic, really apathetic,
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5:33 - 5:36but if they were to take you seriously and not to vote...
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5:36 - 5:40[R] Yeah they shouldn't vote, that's one thing they should do: don't bother voting
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5:40 - 5:41because when it reaches... there's a point...
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5:41 - 5:46you see these little valves, these sort of like cozy little valves of recycling and Prius and like,
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5:46 - 5:51turn ups somewhere... it stops us reaching the pit point where we think this is enough now,
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5:51 - 5:55stop voting, stop pretending, wake up!
Be in reality now. -
5:55 - 5:59Time to be in reality now. Why vote? We know it isn't going to make any difference, we know that already.
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5:59 - 6:02So you know I have more impact out West Ham United, cheering them on,
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6:02 - 6:06and they lost the city, unnecessarily, sad.
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6:06 - 6:08[J] Now you're being facetious.
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6:08 - 6:11[R] Well, facetiousness has as much value
as seriousness. -
6:11 - 6:15I think you're making the mistake
of mistaking seriousness for solemnity. -
6:15 - 6:16[J] We're not going to solve world problems
by facetiousness. -
6:16 - 6:21[R] We're not going to solve them with the current system! At least facetiousness is funny.
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6:21 - 6:22[J] Sometimes.
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6:22 - 6:24[R] Yes, sometimes Jeremy.
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6:24 - 6:26So listen, so let's approach this optimistically.
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6:26 - 6:29You've spent your whole career berating and haranguing politicians,
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6:29 - 6:32and then when someone like me, a comedian, goes "yeah they're all worthless,
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6:32 - 6:34what's the point in engaging with any of them?"
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6:34 - 6:36you sort of have a go at me
because I'm not poor anymore. -
6:36 - 6:38[J] I'm not having a go at you about that.
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6:38 - 6:43I'm just asking why would you take you seriously when you're so unspecific ...
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6:44 - 6:47[R] ...weII firstly I don't mind if you take me seriously.
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6:47 - 6:52I'm here just to draw attention to a few ideas I just wanna have a little bit of a laugh.
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6:52 - 6:55I'm saying there are people with alternative ideas that are far better qualified than i am,
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6:55 - 6:57and far better qualified more importantly
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6:57 - 7:00than the people that currently doing that job
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7:00 - 7:03because they're not attempting to solve
these problems, they're not. -
7:03 - 7:05They're attempting to placate the population.
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7:05 - 7:09Their measures that are currently being taken around climate change are indifferent,
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7:09 - 7:11will not solve the problems.
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7:11 - 7:15[J] It's possible as human beings they're simply overwhelmed by the scale of the problem.
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7:15 - 7:19[R] Not really, well, possibly it might be that, I mean but that's just semantics really,
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7:19 - 7:23whether they're overwhelmed by it or tacitly maintaining it because it's habitual...
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7:23 - 7:27I mean like, mate, this is what I noticed
when I was in that house of parliament: -
7:27 - 7:30It's decorated exactly the same as Eton,
It's decorated exactly the same as Oxford, -
7:30 - 7:33so certain type people goes in there and thinks
"oh! this makes me nervous!" -
7:33 - 7:36and another type of people go in there go
"this is how it should be!" -
7:36 - 7:38and I think that's gotta change now.
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7:38 - 7:42We can no longer have erroneous duplicitous systems held in place
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7:42 - 7:46unless it's only systems that serve the planet and serve the population of the planet,
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7:46 - 7:48can be allowed to survive.
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7:48 - 7:51Not ones that serve elites, be they political or corporate elites.
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7:51 - 7:53And this is what's currently happening.
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7:53 - 7:54[J] You don't really believe that.
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7:54 - 7:55[R] I completely believe it.
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7:55 - 7:58Don't look at me all bleary like you're at
a fireside with a pipe n your beard. -
7:58 - 8:01--inaudible--
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8:01 - 8:04...he went to the same primary school as Boris though didn't he?
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8:04 - 8:06[J] He did, but he then went to a comprehensive school in North London.
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8:06 - 8:08[R] That's very good, that's all very well and good...
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8:08 - 8:13but what i'm saying is that within the existing paradigm the change is not dramatic enough, not radical enough,
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8:13 - 8:16so you can well understand public disturbances
and public dissatisfaction -
8:16 - 8:20when there are not genuine changes
and genuine alternatives being offered. -
8:20 - 8:24I say that when there is a genuine alternative,
a genuine option, then vote for that. -
8:24 - 8:30But until then? Pffffft! Don't bother. Why pretend? Why be complicit in this ridiculous illusion?
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8:30 - 8:35[J] Because by the time somebody comes along you might think it worth voting for, it may be too late.
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8:35 - 8:37[R] I don't think so because the time is now,
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8:37 - 8:40this movement is already occurring.
it's happening everywhere, -
8:40 - 8:44we're in a time where communication is instant-
aneous & there are communities all over the world. -
8:44 - 8:50the Occupy movement made a difference even if only in that it introduced to the popular public lexicon
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8:50 - 8:52the idea of the 1% versus the 99%.
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8:52 - 8:58People for the first time in a generation are aware of massive corporate and economic exploitation
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8:58 - 9:02these things are not nonsense and these as subjects are not being addressed.
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9:02 - 9:04They have... no one's doing anything about tax havens,
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9:04 - 9:10no one's doing anything about their political affiliations and financial affiliations at the Conservative Party,
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9:10 - 9:13so until people are addressing
things that are actually real, -
9:13 - 9:16why wouldn't i be facetious?
Why would I take it seriously? -
9:16 - 9:21Why would I encourage a constituency of young people that are absolutely indifferent, to vote?
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9:21 - 9:24Why would we? Aren't you bored?
Aren't you more bored than anyone? -
9:24 - 9:27Ain't you been talking on year after year listening to their lies? Their nonsense?
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9:27 - 9:31Then it's this one gets in, then it's that one gets in,
but this problem continues? -
9:31 - 9:35Why we gonna continue to contribute to this facade?
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9:35 - 9:37[J] I'm surprised you can be facetious
when you're that angry about it. -
9:37 - 9:40[R] Yeah I am angry. I am angry.
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9:40 - 9:42Because for me it's real.
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9:42 - 9:46Because for me it's not just some peripheral thing that I turn up once in awhile to church faithful.
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9:46 - 9:49For me, this is what I come from,
this is what I care about. -
9:51 - 9:52[J] Do you see any hope?
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9:52 - 9:56[R] Yeah, totally, there's gonna be a revolution,
it's totally going to happen. -
9:56 - 10:00I ain't got a flicker of doubt,
this is the END. -
10:00 - 10:01This is time to wake up.
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10:01 - 10:04I remember, I seen you in that program
where you look at your ancestors, -
10:04 - 10:07and you saw the way your grandmother,
who had to brass herself, -
10:07 - 10:10or got fucked over by the aristocrats
who ran her a gaff, -
10:10 - 10:14you cried because you knew that it was unfair,
and unjust. -
10:14 - 10:15And that was, what was that a century ago?
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10:15 - 10:16That's happening to people now.
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10:16 - 10:18I just come from a woman is being treated like that,
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10:18 - 10:22I've just been talking to a woman, today,
who's being treated like that. -
10:22 - 10:24So if we can engage that feeling instead of
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10:24 - 10:30some moment of lacrimo sentimentality trotted out on the tv for people to pour over emotional porn,
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10:30 - 10:34if we can engage that feeling, and change things, why wouldn't we?
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10:34 - 10:38Why is that naive? Why is that not my right because I'm an actor?
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10:38 - 10:40I mean, I've taken the right.
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10:40 - 10:41I don't need the right from you.
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10:41 - 10:43I don't need the right from anybody.
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10:43 - 10:44I'm takin' it.
- Title:
- NEWSNIGHT - Paxman vs Brand. Full Interview.
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Newsnight's Jeremy Paxman talks to Russell Brand about voting, revolution and beards...
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