NEWSNIGHT - Paxman vs Brand. Full Interview.
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0:01 - 0:05Russell Brand who are you to edit a political magazine?
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0:05 - 0:09well i suppose like a person who's been
politely asked by attractive woman -
0:09 - 0:11I don't know what the typical criteria is
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0:11 - 0:14I don't know many people that edit political magazines
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0:14 - 0:16Boris, he used to do on, didn't he?
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0:16 - 0:19so i'm a person with crazy hair
quite good sense of humor -
0:19 - 0:21don't know much about politics,
I'm ideal! -
0:21 - 0:23but is it true you don't even vote?
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0:23 - 0:25Yeah no i dont vote/
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0:25 - 0:27well how do you have any authority
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0:27 - 0:32well I don't get my authority from this
pre-existing paradigm which is quite narrow -
0:32 - 0:34and only serves a few people.
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0:34 - 0:39I look elsewhere for alternatives that might be of service to humanity
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0:39 - 0:42alternate means, alternate political systems
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0:42 - 0:43they being?
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0:43 - 0:45well ive not invented it yet Jeremy!
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0:45 - 0:48i had to do a magazine last week,
ive had a lot on me plate! -
0:48 - 0:50but, i say, here's the thing that it shouldnt do:
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0:50 - 0:52shouldn't destroy the planet,
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0:52 - 0:55shouldn't create massive economic disparity,
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0:55 - 0:57shouldn't ignore the needs of the people.
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0:57 - 1:01the burden of proof is on the people with the power
not people like doing a magazine -
1:01 - 1:05how do you imagine the people get power?
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1:05 - 1:08well I imagine there are sort of hierarchical systems that have been preserved for generations...
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1:08 - 1:10[J] they get power by being voted in...
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1:10 - 1:12you wont even be asked to vote
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1:12 - 1:16[R] thats quite a narrow
quite narrow prescriptive parameter -
1:16 - 1:17that changes within the...
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1:17 - 1:19[J] in a democracy that's how it works
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1:19 - 1:23[R] well I don't think is working very well Jeremy,
given that the planet is being destroyed, -
1:23 - 1:25given there's economic disparity of a huge degree
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1:25 - 1:28what you sayin theres no alternative?
theres no alternative? -
1:28 - 1:31[J] no im not saying that. im saying that
if you cant be asked to vote, -
1:31 - 1:33why should we be asked to listen
to your political point of view? -
1:33 - 1:35[R] you don't have to listen to my political point of view,
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1:35 - 1:37but its not that im not voting out of apathy,
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1:37 - 1:42im not voting out of absolute indifference, and weariness, and exhaustion,
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1:42 - 1:45from the lies, treachery, deceit of the political class,
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1:45 - 1:47that has been going on for generations now,
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1:47 - 1:49and which has now reached fever pitch
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1:49 - 1:52where we have a disenfranchised, disillusioned, despondent underclass,
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1:52 - 1:54that are not being represented
by that political system -
1:54 - 1:58so voting for it is tacit complicity with that system
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1:58 - 2:00that's not something I'm offering up
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2:00 - 2:01[J] well why dont you change it then?
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2:01 - 2:03[R] im trying to!
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2:03 - 2:04[J] well why dont you start by voting?
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2:04 - 2:06[J laughing] i dont think it works!
people have voted already, -
2:06 - 2:08and thats whats created the current paradigm
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2:08 - 2:09[J] when did you last vote?
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2:09 - 2:10[R] never
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2:10 - 2:12[J] you've never ever voted?
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2:12 - 2:13[R] no, do you think that's really bad?
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2:13 - 2:16[J] so you struck an attitude, what,
before the age of 18? -
2:16 - 2:18[R] well i was busy being a drug addict at that point
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2:18 - 2:20because i come from the kind of socialconditions
that are exacerbated -
2:20 - 2:24by an indifferent system that really just administrates for large corporations
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2:24 - 2:27and ignores the population
that it was voted in to serve. -
2:27 - 2:30[J] youre blaming the political class the fact that you had a drug problem?
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2:30 - 2:33[R] no no no i'm saying I was part of the social and economic class
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2:33 - 2:36that is underserved by the current political system
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2:36 - 2:39and drug addiction's one of the problems it creates
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2:39 - 2:43when you have huge underserved impoverished populations people get drug problems
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2:43 - 2:48and also don't feel like they want to engage
with the current political system -
2:48 - 2:50because they see that it doesn't work for them,
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2:50 - 2:53they see that it makes no difference.
they see that they're not served. -
2:53 - 2:55[J] of course it doesnt work for them
if they dont bother to vote! -
2:55 - 2:59[R] Jeremy my darling, im not saying...
the apathy doesn't come from us the people -
2:59 - 3:01the apathy comes from the politicians
they are apathetic to our needs -
3:01 - 3:04they're only interested in servicing
the needs of corporations -
3:04 - 3:10look at what... aint the Tories going to court, to take the EU to court because they're trying to curtail bank bonuses?
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3:10 - 3:12Is that whats happening at the moment
in our country? -
3:12 - 3:13It is, isnt it?
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3:13 - 3:15So why am i gonna tune in for that?
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3:15 - 3:17[J] You dont believe in democracy,
you want a revolution, dont you! -
3:17 - 3:20the planet is being destroyed,
we are creating an underclass, -
3:20 - 3:23we are exploiting poor people all over the world
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3:23 - 3:27and the genuine legitimate problems the people are not being addressed by our political class.
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3:27 - 3:29[J] All of those things may be true...
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3:29 - 3:30[R] they are true!
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3:30 - 3:33[J] but you took... i wouldnt argue with you about many of them...
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3:33 - 3:35[R] well outcome I feel so cross with you,
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3:35 - 3:38it cant be because of that beard, its gorgeous!
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3:38 - 3:40and if the Daily Mail dont want it, i do!
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3:40 - 3:43im against them! grow it longer!
tangle it into your armpit hair. -
3:43 - 3:46[J] You are a very trivial man.
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3:46 - 3:47[R] oh do you think I'm trivial?
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3:47 - 3:48[J] yes!
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3:48 - 3:51[R] a minute ago you were havin a go at me because i want a revolution, now im trivial!
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3:51 - 3:53im bouncin' about all over the place!
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3:53 - 3:56[J] im not having a go at you because you want a revolution, many people want a revolution,
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3:56 - 3:58but im asking you what it will be like?
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3:58 - 4:00[R] well I think what it won't be like is
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4:00 - 4:03a huge disparity between rich and poor
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4:03 - 4:10where 300 Americans have the same amount of wealth as the 85 million poorest americans
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4:10 - 4:15where there is a an exploited and underserved underclass that have been continually ignored,
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4:15 - 4:18where welfare is slashed while Cameron and Osborne go to court
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4:18 - 4:22to defend the right of bankers to continue receiving their bonuses, thats all im saying.
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4:22 - 4:26[J] what's the scheme? Thats all im asking, whats the scheme?
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4:26 - 4:29you talked vaguely about revolution, what is it?
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4:29 - 4:32[R] I think a socialist egalitarian system based on the massive redistribution of wealth,
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4:32 - 4:37heavy taxation of corporations and massive responsibility for energy companies
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4:37 - 4:39and any companies exploiting the environment,
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4:39 - 4:41i think they should be tax...
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4:41 - 4:43I think the very concept of profit
should be hugely reduced. -
4:43 - 4:47David Cameron says profit isn't a dirty word, I say profit is a filthy word
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4:47 - 4:49because wherever there is profit there is also a deficit,
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4:49 - 4:52and this system currently doesn't address these ideas.
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4:52 - 4:56and so why would anyone vote for it?
why would anyone be interested? -
4:56 - 4:57[J] who would levy these taxes?
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4:57 - 5:00I think we do need like... there needs to be a centralized administrative system...
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5:00 - 5:02[J] a government?
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5:02 - 5:07[R] well maybe call it something else, call it like
the AdminBods so they dont get ahead of themselves... -
5:07 - 5:09[J] how would they be chosen?
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5:09 - 5:13jeremy, dont ask me to sit here in an interview with you in a bloody hotel room,
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5:13 - 5:15and devise a global utopian system
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5:15 - 5:17im merely pointing out that the current...
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5:17 - 5:19[J] you are calling for revolution!
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5:19 - 5:23[R] Yeah! absolutely! I'm calling for change,
I'm calling for genuine alternatives. -
5:23 - 5:25[J] there are many people who would agree with you...
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5:25 - 5:26[R] good!
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5:26 - 5:29[J] the current system is not engaging with all sorts of problems, yes,
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5:29 - 5:33and they feel apathetic really apathetic,
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5:33 - 5:36but if they were to take you seriously and not to vote
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5:36 - 5:40[R] yeah they shouldnt vote, thats one thing they should do: dont bother voting
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5:40 - 5:41because when it reaches... theres a point...
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5:41 - 5:48you see these little valves, these sort of like cozy little valves of recycling and Prius and like, turnups somewhere...
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5:48 - 5:52it stops us reaching the pit point wherre we think this is enough now, stop voting, stop pretending,
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5:52 - 5:56wake up! be in reality now. time to be in reality now.
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5:56 - 5:59why vote? we know it isnt going to make any difference, we know that already.
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5:59 - 6:02so you know I have more impact out West Ham United, cheering them on,
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6:02 - 6:06and they lost the city, unnecessarily, sad.
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6:06 - 6:08[J] Now you're being facetious.
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6:08 - 6:11[R] well, facetiousness has as much value
as seriousness -
6:11 - 6:15I think you're making the mistake
of mistaking seriousness for solemnity. -
6:15 - 6:16[J] We're not going to solve world problems
by facetiousness. -
6:16 - 6:21[R] we're not going to solve them with the current system!
at least facetiousness is funny. -
6:21 - 6:22[J] sometimes
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6:22 - 6:24[R] yes sometimes Jeremy
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6:24 - 6:26so listen, lets approach this optimistically
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6:26 - 6:29you spent your whole career berating and haranguing politicians,
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6:29 - 6:33and then when someone like me, a comedian, goes "yeah theyre all worthless, whats the point in engaging with any of them?"
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6:33 - 6:36you sort of have a go at me because im not poor anymore.
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6:36 - 6:38[J] im not having a go at you about that
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6:38 - 6:43I'm just asking why would you take you seriously when you're so unspecific ...
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6:44 - 6:47[R] will II firstly I don't mind if you take me seriously
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6:47 - 6:52I'm here just to draw attention to a few ideas I just wanna have a little bit of a laugh.
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6:52 - 6:55I'm saying there are people with alternative ideas that are far better qualified than i am,
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6:55 - 6:57and far better qualified more importantly
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6:57 - 7:00than the people that currently doing that job
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7:00 - 7:02because thyere not attempting to solve these problems,
they're not. -
7:02 - 7:05they're attempting to placate the population.
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7:05 - 7:09Their measures that are currently being taken around climate change are indifferent,
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7:09 - 7:11will not solve the problems
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7:11 - 7:15[J] it's possible as human beings they're simply overwhelmed by the scale of the problem
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7:15 - 7:19[R] not really, well, possibly it might be that, I mean but that's just semantics really,
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7:19 - 7:23whether they're overwhelmed by it or tacitly maintaining it because it's habitual...
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7:23 - 7:27i mean like, mate, this is what i noticed
when I was in that house of parliament, -
7:27 - 7:30its decorated exactly the same as Eton,
its decorated exactly the same as Oxford, -
7:30 - 7:33so certain type people goes in there and thinks
"oh! this makes me nervous!" -
7:33 - 7:36and another type of people go in there go
"this is how it should be!" -
7:36 - 7:38and I think that's gotta change now.
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7:38 - 7:42we can no longer have erroneous duplicitous systems held in place
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7:42 - 7:46unless it's only systems that serve the planet and serve the population of the planet,
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7:46 - 7:48can be allowed to survive.
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7:48 - 7:51Not ones that serve elites, be they political or corporate elites.
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7:51 - 7:53And this is whats currently happening.
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7:53 - 7:54[J] You dont really believe that.
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7:54 - 7:55[R] I completely believe it.
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7:55 - 7:59Dont look at me all bleary like youre at
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8:00 - 8:02--inaudible--
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8:02 - 8:02... went to the same primary school as Boris though didnt he?
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8:04 -[J] he did but he then went to a comprehensive school in North London.
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Not Synced[R] thats very good, that's all very well and good...
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Not Syncedbut what i'm saying is that within the existing paradigm the change is not dramatic enough, not radical enough,
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Not Syncedso you can well understand public disturbances and public dissatisfaction
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Not Syncedwhen theyre are not genuine changes and genuine alternates being offered.
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Not Syncedi say that when there is a genuine alternative, a genuine option, then vote for that.
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Not SyncedBut until then? Pffffft! Dont bother. Why pretend? Why be complicit in this ridiculous illusion?
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Not Syncedbecause by the time somebody comes along you might think it worth voting for it may be too late.
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Not SyncedI don't think so because the time is now this movement is already occurring its happening everywhere,
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Not Syncedwe're in a time where communication is instantaneous and their communities all over the world.
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Not Syncedthe Occupy movement made a difference in even if only in introduced to the popular lexicon
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Not Syncedthe idea of the 1% versus the 99%.
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Not SyncedPeople for the first time in a generation are aware of massive corporate and economic exploitation
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Not Syncedthese things and not nonsense and these as subjects are not being addressed.
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Not Syncedthey have no one's doing anything about tax havens,
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Not Syncedno one's doing anything about their political affiliations and financial affiliations at the Conservative Party,
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Not Syncedso until people addressing things that are actually real,
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Not Syncedwhy wouldnt i be facetious? why would I take it seriously?
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Not Syncedwhy would I encourage a constituency of young people that are absolutely indifferent, to vote?
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Not Syncedwhy would we? aren't you bored? arent you more bored than anyone?
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Not Syncedaint you been talking on year after year listening to their lies? they're nonsense?
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Not Syncedthen its this one gets in, then its that one gets in, but this problem continues?
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Not Syncedwhy we gonna continue to contribute to this facade?
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Not SyncedI'm surprise you can be facetious when you're that angry about it.
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Not SyncedYeah i am angry. i am angry.
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Not Syncedbecause for me it's real.
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Not Syncedbecause for me is not just some peripheral thing that i turn up once in awhile to church faithful.
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Not Syncedfor for me this is what come from this is what care about
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Not SyncedDo you see any hope?
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Not Syncedyeah, totally, there's gonna be a revolution, it's totally going to happen.
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Not Syncedi aint got a flicker of doubt,
this is the end. -
Not Syncedthis is time to wake up.
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Not SyncedI remember I see you in that program where you look at your ancestors,
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Not Syncedand you saw the way your grandmother, who had to brass herself,
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Not Syncedor got fucked over by the aristocrats who ran her a gaff,
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Not Syncedyou cried because you knew that it was unfair, and unjust.
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Not Syncedand that was what was that a century ago?
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Not Syncedthats happening to people now.
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Not Syncedi just come from a woman is being treated like that,
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Not Syncedive just been talking to a woman, today, who's being treated like that.
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Not Syncedso if we can engage that feeling
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Not Syncedinstead of some moment of lacrimo sentimentality trotted out on the tv for people to pour over emotional porn,
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Not Syncedsentimentality played out in a TV for people to pour over emotional porn
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Not Syncedif we can engage that feeling, and change things, why wouldnt we?
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Not Syncedwhy is that naive? why is that not my right because im an actor?
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Not Syncedi mean, i've taken the right.
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Not SyncedI don't need the right from you.
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Not Syncedi dont need the right from anybody.
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Not Syncedim takin' it.
- Title:
- NEWSNIGHT - Paxman vs Brand. Full Interview.
- Description:
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Newsnight's Jeremy Paxman talks to Russell Brand about voting, revolution and beards...
- Video Language:
- English
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- Duration:
- 10:46
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