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"Dear Pastor Tim Conway,
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Should Christians evangelize the Jews?
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I heard from people
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that there is a theological concept
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called "Dispensationalism."
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Can you explain more about that
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and if it is true?"
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I would be happy to.
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Now listen to me.
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I don't doubt that there
are a whole number of you
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that your whole background
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has been one of dispensationalism.
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I know enough about Pastor Hagee -
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I'll just say Mr. Hagee -
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he is a lover of the Jews,
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and I don't knock that.
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We ought to love the Jews.
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We ought to love them.
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But he is a very avid advocate
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of dispensationalism.
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What's this movie series?
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Some of you have seen that. What is it?
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Left Behind.
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Big deal made about that.
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Dispensationalism.
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A lot of you - you don't
know anything else.
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Let's talk about it.
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Look, you guys can prove this out.
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You can search the Internet -
what I'm about to tell you.
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I'm going to get into
some of the biblical facts
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and you can verify those immediately
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because I'm going to
read the Scripture to you.
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But I'm just going to give
you a few facts first.
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Like I say, you can verify
these things online.
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Basically, dispensationalism
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as a system of theology
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really took shape in the 1830's
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by a man by the name of John Nelson Darby.
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Some of his disciples, followers,
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you may know by the name of C.I. Scofield,
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Lewis Sperry Chafer and the group
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up there at Dallas Theological Seminary.
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More modern guys by the name of
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Zane Hodges, Charles Ryrie -
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there's a Ryrie Study Bible,
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there's a Scofield Study Bible.
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It teaches this stuff - dispensationalism.
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This guy wants to know what it is.
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I'll tell you, you listen on the radio.
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A hyper-dispensational that is out there
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doing teaching - and look,
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I'm not going to tell you that these guys
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weren't Christians.
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I'm not going to tell you that.
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I don't know enough about them.
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You've got J. Vernon McGee out there
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on the radio waves still today,
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"Through the Bible." Five years.
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If you listen to any of the
Christian radio stations,
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you'll hear his voice.
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He is gone and hopefully
gone to be with the Lord.
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Here's the thing.
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Darby said that there were 7 dispensations
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that he could find in the Bible.
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The paradise state all
the way to the flood;
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you have the dispensation of Noah;
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the dispensation of Abraham;
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the dispensation of Israel;
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the dispensation of the Gentiles;
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the dispensation of the Spirit;
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and the dispensation of the Millennium.
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You can search this out.
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Darby established this system of theology.
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He taught these 7 dispensations.
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(Incomplete thought).
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See, I was saved and went in the direction
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of amillennial eschatology
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and the doctrines of grace immediately.
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I don't have a background in this
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like many of you guys do.
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I haven't studied Scofield.
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I never owned a Scofield Bible.
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I don't know if Scofield and Ryrie
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are teaching these 7 dispensations.
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I did listen quite a bit
to J. Vernon McGee
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and I heard him say
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just ludicrous things.
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The thing he said that I just had to start
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turning him off is that
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the Sermon on the Mount isn't for now.
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It's for the Millennium.
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I thought what in the world is he saying?
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Basically, these hyper-dispensationalists
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get to the point that
the only part of the Bible
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that is for us today are
the prison epistles of Paul.
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Listen, don't let anybody do that to you.
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Here's what I find in the Bible.
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Now, look, I don't know
what Scofield found there.
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I don't know what Darby found there.
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I don't know what Ryrie finds there.
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I don't know what the
dispensational camps find there.
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But let me tell you,
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how many dispensations are there?
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I find two.
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Now, I realize you can subdivide
these in some way.
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And that in some places, the Bible does.
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But in the broadest sense,
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the Bible gives us two.
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Listen to them.
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Matthew 12:32,
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"Whoever speaks a word
against the Son of Man
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will be forgiven, but whoever speaks
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against the Holy Spirit..."
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now this is the sin
against the Holy Spirit -
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the unpardonable sin -
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"...whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit
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will not be forgiven,
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either in this age,
or in the age to come."
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Now right there you have this age,
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the age to come.
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Okay, so let's establish
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when these two ages are.
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Obviously there is the age now,
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and that was at the
time Jesus was speaking.
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That's clear.
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The age which is now
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was that age which was present
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when He walked this earth.
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And then there's an age to come
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which would be some time after that.
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Let's think about it.
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Mark 3:29 gives us
Mark's parallel to this.
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What does He say?
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"Whoever blasphemes
against the Holy Spirit
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never has forgiveness, but is guilty
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of an eternal sin."
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Now, let me tell you this,
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if according to Matthew,
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you're not forgiven in this age
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or in the one to come,
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and Mark tells us you're
not forgiven forever,
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then what does that teach us
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about the age to come?
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It's eternal.
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It goes on forever.
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So, that we can say.
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The age to come is an eternal age.
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Now, it's got a starting point,
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but it never has an end.
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It's eternal.
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Okay, let's go further. Luke 20:34,
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"Jesus said to them,
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'The sons of this age marry and
are given in marriage..."
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Guess what's characteristic of this age?
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People marry and are given in marriage.
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Now, I'll tell you what,
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that's characteristic of life
from when to when?
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From the time of Adam
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all the way up until when?
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Now remember when the Sadduccees
came to Him and they said:
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There were all these 7 brothers
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and they all had the same wife.
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What does He say about the age to come?
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They don't give in marriage there, right?
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They're like the angels.
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And so basically what you have
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is there's this age and the age to come.
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What's true of this age?
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Men marry and are given in marriage.
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What's true of the age to come?
They don't marry.
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What's true of the age to come
is it's an eternal one.
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Because men won't be
forgiven in the age to come
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and that's an eternal sin.
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That means they won't
be forgiven eternally.
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How about this one? 1 Timothy 6:17,
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"As for the rich in this present age..."
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People have money in this age.
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Galatians 1:4, "Jesus Christ gave Himself
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for our sins to deliver us
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from the present, evil age."
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So, let me tell you something
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about this present age.
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There's evil here.
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Evil's going to be removed
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when it's all gone.
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What you find in 2 Peter
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is heaven and earth,
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fire's going to come,
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it's going to burn it up,
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there's going to be a new
heaven and a new earth.
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This is the present evil age.
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Evil came in Adam and Eve.
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Now, you know what? If you really
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want to strain this thing,
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obviously, from the time Adam was created
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till the time Adam fell,
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that was a unique dispensation.
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Men were sinless.
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But I think overall,
basically, what you get
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is these two general ages.
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There's a present evil age.
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The future age, all evil -
you know what's said.
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You get to the end of Revelation
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and nothing evil is going to walk there.
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All the dogs, all the sorcerers,
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all the fornicators, adulterers, liars -
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they're in outer darkness.
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They're put out of it.
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2 Corinthians 4:4,
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"In their case, the god of this world..."
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and the word is "age."
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"The god of this age..."
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The devil is the god of this age.
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When this thing is all done,
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he's going to be thrown
into the lake of fire.
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He's been here since the beginning, right?
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He was there in the garden.
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The god of this age.
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He basically has free course on this earth
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all the way back from
the time of Adam and Eve
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all the way to the end of this age.
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He's the god of this age.
It's an evil age.
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Men marry and are given
in marriage in this age.
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And then there's an age to come,
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which is an eternal age.
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Luke 20:34-36,
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"Those who are considered worthy
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to attain to that age,
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and to the resurrection from the dead..."
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Now isn't that interesting?
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What sets that age apart?
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There's a resurrection
of the dead that starts it.
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"They cannot die anymore."
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Titus 2:11,
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"For the grace of God has appeared
bringing salvation for all people,
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training us to renounce ungodliness
and worldly passions
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and to live self-controlled,
upright and godly lives
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in the present age.
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And what are we waiting for?
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We're waiting for the age to come.
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"Waiting for our blessed hope,
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the appearing of the glory
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of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ."
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So what ends this age?
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The appearing of Jesus Christ.
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Basically, that's the end of it.
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Romans 9:25,
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"As indeed He says in Hosea,
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'those who were not My people,
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I will call My people;
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He who was not beloved,
I will call beloved.'"
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(unintelligible)
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Well, anyway, a dispensation is an age.
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A dispensation is basically a time frame
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in which things are unique
during that time frame
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in some way.
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And basically, we have this age
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and the future age concept.
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It comes up in the parables
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in Matthew 13.
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If you just search that idea of the age,
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like I say, there are
some places in the Bible
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where even those two ages
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are broken down,
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or many ages are spoken about,
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like Paul's wanting to exaggerate
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the terminology,
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which is no exaggeration,
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but I mean, he's wanting to really
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be emphatic like there in Ephesians
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where he talks about the kindness of God
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through all these coming ages.
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Like I say, he's wanting to use
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all these very emphatic words,
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and so in places like that
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he is talking about the age to come,
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it's just ages upon ages
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and all through these ages,
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and God and His grace shown to us
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in kindness - it's just going to be
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lavished upon us.
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But when you look at a real
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historical breakdown,
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what you find is basically an age
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and an age to come.
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You know what's ruled out of that approach
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to dispensations?
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A thousand year literal reign.
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There is no age packed
in the middle there.
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Now, you know what's very interesting,
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is the thousand year literal reign
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doesn't stand up to Scripture.
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Let me tell you several things about it.
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Jesus said His kingdom
is not of this world.
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And yet, the dispensationalists
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argue for a thousand year reign
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in this world.
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The dispensationalists say
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that Christ is going to come and reign.
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Let me tell you something.
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The Bible says that Jesus Christ
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is reigning already.
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Anybody know where it says that?
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It says it in 1 Corinthians 15.
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"For as in Adam, all die, so also
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in Christ shall all be made alive,
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but each in his own order;
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Christ, the firstfruits,
and at His coming,
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those who belong to Christ,
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then comes the end
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when He delivers the kingdom of God
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to God the Father after destroying
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every rule and every authority and power.
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He must reign until He has put
all His enemies under His feet.
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Let me tell you something.
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He is reigning until...
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And then it says He's
going to turn it all over
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to His Father, and God will be all in all.
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And in the book of Revelation,
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you find that even though He turns it over
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to His Father, He and His Father,
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they're going to rule
and reign over this
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forever and ever.
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The fact is He's reigning already.
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He is reigning right now, folks.
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This idea that He's going to come
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and begin a reign isn't true.
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Basically, we are told that He's going to
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take his father's throne - David's throne.
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He's already taken the throne, folks.
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He's on the throne.
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He's ruling already.
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He's at the right hand
of the Father even now.
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He is ruling, and all principalities,
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and all powers - folks, they're under Him.
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They are under Him.
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He's in that place.
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Listen, this millennial reign idea
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comes from this idea that's found
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in Revelation 20.
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And you know, let me tell you something.
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In all of our Bibles,
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you always want to define
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what is hard by what is clear.
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Guess what's clear?
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The epistles are clear.
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Much in the Gospels is clear.
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Revelation is a symbolic book.
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No matter how you want to look at it,
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there are things in the book of Revelation
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that are hard, and not any of you
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are going to deny that.
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You know what? The epistles are
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easy to understand in most places.
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The Gospels are easy to
understand in most places.
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Guess what? In all the things
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that are easy to understand,
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you're never told very easily
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and very plainly -
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you're never told that there's
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a literal thousand year reign here.
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You say, okay, well, you said
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that in Revelation 20,
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a thousand years was spoken about.
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So, do we have to have it multiple times?
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Isn't one sufficient to make something
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legitimately truth?
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Well, absolutely,
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if you interpret it rightly.
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And the book of Revelation is symbolic,
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so how do we interpret it?
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Well, listen to me.
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"Know therefore that the
Lord your God is God,
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the faithful God who keeps covenant
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and steadfast love with those who love Him
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and keep His commandments
to a thousand generations."
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Okay, so what does He do?
Does He cut them off at 1,001?
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What does that mean?
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Is that literal or is that to be taken
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as just a long time; a huge number?
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Basically, maybe endless.
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Job 9:3, "If one wished
to contend with God,
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one could not answer Him
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once in a thousand times."
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What? So you could answer
Him the 1,001st time?
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You see, they're using this
as just a vast amount.
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They're using it to effect.
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"Every beast of the forest is Mine.
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The cattle on a thousand hills..."
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Okay, so,
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the 1,001st hill, the cattle aren't His?
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That's not the intent.
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The intent is many, all.
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"For a day in Your courts is better
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than a thousand elsewhere.
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For a thousand years in your sight
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are but as yesterday when it is past
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or as a watch in the night."
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"Do not overlook this one fact, beloved,
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that with the Lord, one
day is as a thousand years
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and a thousand years is one day."
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Let me tell you something.
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What happens in the thousand years?
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If you take it in the same way
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and you just take it as an extensive
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span of time, what is
said in Revelation 20
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that happens in that thousand years?
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Let me tell you what happens.
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"An angel comes down from heaven,
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and holds in his hand the
key to the bottomless pit,
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and a great chain; he seized the dragon,
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that ancient serpent who
is the devil and Satan
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and bound him for a thousand years."
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He's bound for a thousand years.
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Now, these dispensationalists come along
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and they say he's not bound.
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You go over to 1 Peter.
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It says he walks about like a roaring lion
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seeking to devour.
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Well, wait, you better read the context.
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Before you jump to any conclusions,
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you've got to read the whole thing.
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Does it say he's going to be
bound for a thousand years?
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It does, but not totally bound.
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It doesn't say he's going to be bound
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from being able to do
any activity whatsoever.
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It says he's going to be bound
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from specific things.
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"He is no longer able
to deceive the nations
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until the thousand years were ended.
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After that, he must be
released for a little while."
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Which means what?
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He'll be able to deceive
the nations once again.
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And in fact, you know what we find?
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We find that in John 12, Jesus Christ says
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lift Me up and I'll draw all men unto Me.
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You know what you find
in the book of Revelation?
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People from every what are going to be
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around that throne?
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From every nation.
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You know what?
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You go back in the Old Testament,
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count the Gentiles for me.
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You can't get off one hand.
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You can talk about the Ninevites
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and that would be the one exception.
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But aside from the Ninevites,
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you can count on one hand the number
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of Gentiles in the Old Testament
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that were converted.
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You know what?
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In the Old Testament dispensation -
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and I'm talking dispensations here
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because that is one
way that this first age
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could be broken down -
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before the cross, after the cross.
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Before the cross, God's people
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were mainly the Jews.
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Afterwards, to all the nations
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including the Jews.
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There's a remnant there as well.
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Paul said, look, I'm one of them.
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I'm converted.
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God hasn't forsaken His
people whom He foreknew.
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There's Jews still being saved today.
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What God's work has done
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is not excluding the Jews.
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They're very much included.
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But now, it's all the nations
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including the Jews.
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Should we evangelize the Jews?
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That was one of his questions.
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By all means!
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Just as much as we should evangelize
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the Chinese and the Indians
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and Koreans and the Russians,
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and Americans.
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By all means.
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But listen, here's what
happened at the cross.
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Jesus Christ was victorious.
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He led captivity captive.
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I'll tell you one of the
things that happened there
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is Satan was no longer to
hold the nations in darkness.
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Suddenly, what happened?
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He went to the cross and what happened?
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Brother Craig was showing us
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on that screen on Sunday.
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You know what happened?
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The missionaries started going.
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The scattered churches
started going around
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and the Gospel was being preached
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and the nations, the Gentiles,
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began to be converted.
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And you know what?
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At the end, he's going to be released
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for a little season.
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And you know what Paul tells us
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very clearly in the epistles?
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At the end, before Christ comes,
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there's going to be what?
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A great falling away.
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What does that mean?
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You read in Romans 11,
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the times of the Gentiles are completed.
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And it looks like what's
going to happen in the end,
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the time of the Gentiles comes to an end,
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Satan is released again.
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He's able to once again
deceive the nations.
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The love of many grows cold.
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And it seems like from Romans 11,
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very likely, there is going to be
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an ingathering of Jews.
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That's what it appears to be.
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Folks, you know what
dispensationalism also pushes?
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There's a big and radical distinction
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between the church and Israel.
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I tell you, it's not so.
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It is not the case.
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You know what I've heard
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the dispensationalists say?
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Basically, God intended to save the Jews.
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His "plan A" fell apart and failed,
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and so there's this parenthesis -
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maybe some of you have heard that before -
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and He went to "plan B"
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with the Gentiles.
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Folks, that isn't even true.
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All you've got to do is read Romans 9-11,
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and you know what Paul's saying
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all the way through?
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This is exactly as was
foretold by the prophets.
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Nothing new has come here.
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God said there would be a remnant.
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And God said He was
going to go to the Gentiles.
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This didn't catch anybody by surprise
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if they would have just read
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their Old Testament Scriptures right.
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It was said all through the prophets
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that God was going to go to the Gentiles.
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Still, you come to the New Testament,
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and Paul says it's a mystery.
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Because for all that was said about it,
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they didn't get it.
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They didn't get it.
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And you know what?
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For all that, it was only a remnant.
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Isn't that what the prophets said?
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They said, Lord, if You wouldn't
have given us a remnant,
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we'd have been like
Sodom and Gomorrah.
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He's speaking about the Jews.
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Now listen, you know what you find
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in the New Testament?
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You know what Paul really drives home
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again and again and again
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in the epistle of Romans?
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He says there is no distinction
between Jew and Gentile.
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You find that in Galatians.
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Do you not find that?
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When it comes to those that are in Christ,
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in Galatians it says,
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there is no distinction.
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There is no Jew and Gentile.
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There is no male and female.
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There is no circumcised and uncircumcised.
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They're all the same in Christ.
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You become a child of Abraham by what?
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Faith.
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Abraham was declared righteous by faith.
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And you become his child by faith.
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And it was in the Old Testament that way,
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and it's in the New Testament that way.
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And the only Jews in the Old Testament -
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folks, there's no distinction.
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And the Gospel is the
power of God unto salvation
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to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
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There is no distinction.
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None whatsoever.
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There are not differences.
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And you know what you in fact find
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when you come to the New Testament?
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The Galatian Gentile churches
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are called the Israel of God.
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Where's that at? Galatians 6:16.
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Romans 2:29, "A Jew is one inwardly.
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Circumcision is a matter of the heart
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by the Spirit, not by the letter."
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Ephesians 2:14,
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"Jesus Christ, He Himself is our peace,
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who has made us both, Jew and Gentile, one
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and has broken down in His flesh
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the dividing wall of hostility."
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You know what else you find?
Philippians 3:3,
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"We..." you know who the Philippians were?
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Gentile Christians.
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"We are the true circumcision."
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We're the real Jew,
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"who worship by the Spirit of God
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and glory in Christ Jesus,
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and put no confidence in the flesh."
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Can I tell you what else goes along
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with that dispensational system
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that is just garbage?
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The rapture.
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Yep.
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Left Behind. You've got
the whole deal there.
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Would somebody please prove to me
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the rapture from the New Testament?
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It's not there.
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You guys have heard little bits, right?
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In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye...
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You've heard that one.
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You've probably heard this one as well.
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"The Lord Himself will
descend from heaven..."
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And it says basically we'll be caught up
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together with them in the clouds
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to meet the Lord in the air.
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You've heard those.
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But you haven't heard the context.
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People don't want to read the whole thing.
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Because if they read the whole thing,
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it just totally kills
their whole theology.
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If we read these -
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1 Corinthians 15:
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"Behold, I tell you a mystery.
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We shall not all sleep,
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but we shall all be changed,
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in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye."
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When? At some secret,
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mysterious return of Christ
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that nobody knows?
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And all of a sudden, there are just
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piles of clothes on the floor?
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And nobody knows what happened?
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Is that what it says?
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Folks, it says it's at the last trumpet.
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You know what the last trumpet is?
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It's the trumpet of the archangel.
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And every eye will see Him.
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Every ear will hear.
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This isn't some secret deal.
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This coming of Christ -
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there's one second coming.
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There's not a second second coming.
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One - some secret deal.
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The Bible doesn't teach that.
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There's one. And when's it coming?
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And the trump of the archangel.
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And every eye's going to see Him.
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And it's like the lightning flashing
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from the east to the west.
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Don't let these people deceive you.
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And I'll you, it is deception.
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And it leads to a bad theology,
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because it leads to a
second chance theology.
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People running around thinking,
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oh, when I see all
the little piles of clothes
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and the empty cars
that closed off the road,
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and the airplanes fall out of the sky,
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then I'll know to believe.
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Don't you believe that.
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It says today is the day of salvation.
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It says today if you hear,
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don't harden your heart
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as they did in the provocation
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or when they provoked God.
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You know what?
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You know what kind
of language you've got
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in the New Testament?
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You've got the language of a thief.
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You know when the thief comes?
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When you don't expect.
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You know what Christ said?
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When you think not;
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at a time when you don't think,
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He says, that's when I'm coming.
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And I'll tell you what,
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they've all got it figured out.
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Oh, we're going to have
this great big tribulation
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and three and a half years...
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Folks, they've got it marked right out
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when He's coming.
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And Christ said I'm coming
as a thief in the night.
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And you're not going
to know when I'm coming.
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And there's not going to be any markers
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like people's piles of
clothes on the floor.
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You know what?
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When's all this going to happen?
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When are we all going to be raised up?
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Jesus says this in John 6:39,
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"This is the will of Him who sent Me
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that I should lose nothing
of all He has given Me,
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but raise it up at the last day."
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When is Jesus going to
raise all His people up?
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At the last day.
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Not at some day
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way before the last day.
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Not at some day in a secret rapture
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and now there's this whole
amount of time that goes on.
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He raises up all His
people at the last day.
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What's the last day?
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The last day of this age.
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There's this age.
There's the age to come.
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It's the last day of this age.
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The last day is when I'm raising them.
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That's the resurrection.
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We already saw the resurrection
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is what ushers in the new age.
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John 11:24, "Martha said to Him,
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'I know that he will rise again'
(speaking of Lazarus)
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'again in the resurrection
on the last day.'"
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John 12:48, "The one who rejects Me
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and does not receive My words
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has a judge.
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The Word that I have spoken will judge him
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on the last day."
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When's the judgment?
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It's on the last day.
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When is everybody raised?
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On the last day.
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And you know what the Scripture says?
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In Matthew 25, it doesn't say
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that all the Christians are swept away.
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You know what you find there?
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You find a parable; you find a story.
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Anybody ever read this account
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of the ten virgins?
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Guess what? They're all there.
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The saved and the lost.
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And here comes Christ.
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Here comes the Bridegroom.
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And then He goes on in the later part
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of Matthew 25, and He says,
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okay, let Me give you
another picture of it.
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There are the ten virgins.
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That's one picture.
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Five are wise. Five are foolish.
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Five are saved. Five are lost.
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Here I come and they come in with Me.
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Those - they're going to be cast out.
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Let Me give you another picture of it.
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Jesus Christ says, there I am...
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"...The Son of Man comes in His glory,
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all the angels with Him.
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Then He'll sit on His glorious throne.
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Before Him will be
gathered all the nations."
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Now, we already saw from John 12:48,
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the judgment's on the last day.
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So here's the last day.
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Here's the judgment.
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And who's there?
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Not just the saved. Not just the lost.
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This is the Great White Throne judgment.
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Who do you find?
You find the lost and the saved.
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You see, the dispensationalists -
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this is another place they've got
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all these different
judgments taking place.
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The Bible tells us about one.
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Listen to me.
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When that sky splits open,
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and that trump rings through
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the stillness of this earth's air,
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it's done.
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And if you have not bowed
the knee to Christ,
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it's over.
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And you are in trouble.
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There is no second chance theology.
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There's no: well, if the rapture comes,
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then I'll know I better
get my act together.
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And then if Christ sets
up His earthly kingdom
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over in Jerusalem,
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then I'll really know I need
to get my act together.
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Don't you believe it.
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He's on the throne already.
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He is Lord.
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He tells you to bow to Him now.
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Repent and trust the Lord now.
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You think there's some
future kingdom coming?
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His kingdom's not of this world.
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He's already on His throne in His kingdom.
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And He is in control.
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And He commands all
men everywhere to repent
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and bow the knee now.
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Don't fall for this garbage, folks.
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The rapture is garbage.
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This millennial idea is garbage.
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Israel being separate?
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How are they separate and distinct?
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They're not.
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You know what the Scripture says?
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In Romans 3:9?
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"We conclude that all are under sin,
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both Jew and Gentile."
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Both are under sin.
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The Gospel is the power of God
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to both Jew and Gentile.
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There's no distinction.
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Scripture again and again and again
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says - Romans 10:12,
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"there's no distinction
between Jew and Greek.
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The same Lord is Lord of all,
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bestowing His riches upon all
who call upon Him."
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You know what? Whether you're
a Jew, whether you're Gentile -
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if you call upon Him, you're in.
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There's one Gospel for all.
There's not two.
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"There will be tribulation and distress
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for every human being who does evil,
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the Jew first and also the Greek.
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Glory, honor, and peace for everyone
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who does good."
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This doesn't mean you work it up.
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This means you've been born again.
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You've been regenerated.
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You've got a new heart.
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His laws aren't grievous.
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If you've been changed and transformed
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and indwelt by the Spirit of God,
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you're putting to death sin,
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you're living righteously,
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you're bowing the knee to Jesus Christ -
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it says there's no difference.
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There's no distinction.
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Jew and Gentile.
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There's no distinction on
those who go to hell.
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There's no distinction on
those who will be damned.
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Now, that's obviously not everything
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that can be said about dispensationalism.
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There is tons more.
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It would take a series to do everything
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that can be said on it
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to bring out all the verses
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that need to be dealt with.