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Accessibility and Websites - Svetlana Kouznetsova

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    (Steve Bruner)
    Alright, welcome to the WordPress
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    New York City meetup!
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    Okay, so tonight we are going to have
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    Sveta present about accessibility with websites.
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    (Sveta voiced by an interpreter)
    Hi, everyone!
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    My name is Sveta.
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    Actually it's short for
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    a longer version of my name.
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    I'm originally from Russia,
    that's why I have such a long name.
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    And i'm presenting about web
    accessibility - something i'm very
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    interested in as a deaf person.
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    As someone who is disabled,
    naturally I'm very interested in
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    web accessibility.
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    And this is a logo created by some university
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    that represent accessibility.
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    Because not everyone uses a wheelchair,
    there are people who are blind or deaf,
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    who have cognitive disabilities
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    as well who aren't necessarily
    represented by the wheelchair logo
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    that's usually used for accessibility.
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    So you have the eye, the hand, and the ear,
    and the brain to represent cognitive abilities as well.
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    So I am sure you all know who Tim Berners-Lee is.
    Is there anyone who doesn't know?
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    Who knows who he is?
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    OK many of you know who he is -
    and this is a quote from him:
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    "The power of the web is in its
    universality. Access by everyone
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    regardless of disability is
    an essential aspect."
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    In the early days of the web
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    it was actually more accessible than now
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    because most of the websites were text and links,
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    and not very many images and videos.
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    So there wasn't a lot of audio, but today
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    97% of websites are not accessible.
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    Many people who are blind.
    They think: "Oh they can just
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    use screen readers. That's good enough
    for them." But actually the web,
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    the sites must be coded
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    in order to be compatible with screen
    readers, or people
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    who can't use a mouse,
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    or who can't use a keyboard,
    need other devices.
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    Automatic captions are not very
    accessible for deaf people.
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    So 97% of websites as a
    result are not accessible.
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    Maybe people think that people with
    disabilities are a small group of people,
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    but actually disabled people can
    constitute the largest minority group -
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    more than foreigners
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    and the market here for people
    in the United States
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    is $1 trillion.
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    That's double the spending power
    of teenagers.
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    Worldwide, people with
    disabilities constitute
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    a $ 4 trillion market place.
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    That's almost the size of China.
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    So it's a really important group of
    people that should not be ignored.
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    It's not just people with disabilities
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    who benefit from web accessibility
    as you see from these pictures.
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    You have a mother with a stroller and
    also a businessperson carrying
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    a roller suitcase.
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    Ramps are actually very helpful
    for people in all these situations.
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    It also benefits people who use carts
    or any sort of wheeled devices.
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    Ramps and elevators help
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    these people as well.
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    So it's not just for people
    who are using wheelchairs.
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    Also captions not only benefit people
    who are deaf.
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    Speakers of foreign languages also
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    benefit from captions.
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    People who are developing
    their literacy skills or
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    if someone's in some sort
    of noisy environment and
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    they want to watch something
    quietly on the web,
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    that's another reason why captions
    for videos are so important.
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    In talking about the spending power
    of people who have disabilities
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    doesn't only affect people with
    disabilities, but their friends and
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    family members as well.
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    If products and services are
    not accessible
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    then you lose those extra clientele
    as well because
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    you have 2 billion people worldwide
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    are connected to people with disabilities.
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    That constitutes a disposable income
    of $8 trillion.
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    So it's another benefit.
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    The devices that can help
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    people with independence in terms of
    computers or mobile phones -
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    you have a large audience.
    This participation,
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    this increased market opportunity,
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    also having a positive image,
    not just waiting for someone to sue you
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    because your website is inaccessible.
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    If u show that you're making
    an investment for accessibility,
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    it's a much better better investment than
    spending money on a lawsuit later.
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    Improved visibility is another benefit,
    and also higher search engines results.
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    Speaking of search engines -
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    this is the largest accessibility needs
    user on the Internet,
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    because Google, Yahoo!, and Bing -
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    those sites can't see images and
    they really rely on captioning
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    for the images.
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    If a video doesn't have captions it
    does not appear in search results,
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    because Google can't hear a video.
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    Thus captioning and the tags
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    are very important for
    search engines.
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    And with javascript...
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    sometimes the code in javascript is not
    compatible with some keyboards as well.
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    How many of you are familiar with Web
    Accessibility Guidelines?
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    It seems that there are a number of you.
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    Perhaps it might be very
    overwhelming because the list
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    of guidelines is quite long
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    and even for myself I can be quite
    overwhelmed with that, so people tend
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    to make these categorizations
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    and create basic guidelines
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    which are described as
    the acronym P.O.U.R.
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    Perceivable.
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    Meaning blind people who
    can perceive the image,
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    they might need an audio to supplement,
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    or for people who can't hear,
    they rely on captions.
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    Operable.
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    Means people who use a keyboard
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    to make sure that everything -
    all the functions can be used
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    by a keyboard not just by a mouse.
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    You don't have to hover over something
    to be able to see the option.
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    People can't rely on a mouse would then
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    not be able to use that function.
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    Understandability.
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    Understandable means if text is there
    to make sure that text is easily
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    understood by any user.
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    Even though maybe you might think:
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    "Well, there's a YouTube video -
    YouTube has automatic captions -
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    that might be good enough."
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    But automatic actions are
    usually unintelligible. They really
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    do need to be cleaned up
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    otherwise most deaf people will not
    be able to understand them.
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    Robust.
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    Means something that's compatible with
    current and possibly future technologies.
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    So now talking a little bit about how to
    make a website accessible in terms of
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    the technical aspects.
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    The semantic web.
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    In terms of the semantic web,
    content is king.
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    Perhaps someone has
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    a fabulously beautiful looking website
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    but the functionality in the content
    is weak.
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    We have these three elements:
    html, css, and javascript.
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    The html provides a very strong
    foundation first,
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    and then you can use style sheets
    with css,
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    and then javascript - it's probably
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    best to use javascript only
    when necessary.
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    I know it might seem fun to add some more
    fun functions, but
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    the less javascript, the more accessible
    a website could be.
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    How many of you are familiar with
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    that WordPress has this word 'role' - R-O-L-E
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    - how many of you have noticed that in WordPress?
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    A few of you?
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    I've noticed that role
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    equals main role banner
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    and I thought that perhaps some people think
    you can just delete that but that's very
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    important part of the web accessibility.
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    Here's some examples of role -
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    like body,
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    the role document,
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    header
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    has a role, banner,
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    and if main will have a role, main,
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    footer has its content info.
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    So on the WordPress
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    template keep the role,
    don't get rid of that.
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    There are more examples
    of this role as well.
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    In terms of the html structure,
    it's important to have a good structure
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    to the website.
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    Many of you might
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    skip links, but it's important
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    that it's in the top of the html page,
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    because many people who use screenreaders
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    don't want to hear link over and over.
    again for every page.
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    So they prefer to have the option
    of 'skip link'
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    to the main content or other parts
    of the webpage.
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    You can also hide that
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    with the css style sheets,
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    but don't use 'display none'
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    or 'visible none'
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    because that will cause the screenreader
    not to show the content.
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    If you indent over -
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    over position -
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    then you can hide
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    those commands that only the screenreader
    will be able to distinguish.
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    Talking about images -
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    navigation - all the navigation buttons
    must have bullets
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    and
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    for the screenreader.
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    You can style with css,
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    but it's important to have those
    bullet points.
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    Drop-down menus - it's best if you use
    html and css not javascript for those.
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    You can have the drop downs in css,
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    but it's also important to keep the drop
    downs limited to maybe two levels,
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    because the screenreader is going to repeat
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    that over and over again.
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    Header , , -
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    it's best to use that
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    for the content organization, not for
    decoration.
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    The keep that just for
    the page title,
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    and for subcategories -
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    not using that for the menu
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    or for anything other than
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    just the content.
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    It's really annoying to see
    'click here'.
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    To download you don't need that. Just
    click here to download is very annoying.
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    Or click here to download with check list.
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    You can just have download checklist and
    the kind of file that it is because the
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    screenreader reads click here, click here,
    and the screenreader isn't sure what
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    you're clicking for.
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    So the message, if it's just very clear -
    download to a pdf -
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    then the person who is using the website
    will know to expect the certain
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    kind of document.
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    For the content text,
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    make sure it can be resized in terms
    of a percentage, or
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    in the terms of em.
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    This way people who have low vision,
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    who have some vision but can't see very
    well, can resize the text.
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    Similarly on mobile devices,
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    don't have frames,
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    image maps,
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    or layout tables.
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    Those are very hard for screenreaders
    to be able to detect.
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    Make sure that all functions can be
    accessible all through the keyboard,
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    and that javascript - if you have to use it -
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    it's better if it's downgradable,
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    because then it there is a problem with
    javascript the website is still functional.
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    Write in simple language using
    bullet points. Most people -
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    anyone could have a disability,
    or the general public doesn't
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    necessarily have as
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    much time to spend reading
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    a lot of text on a web page.
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    You'll also want to have the web
    layout consistent for each page.
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    If you need to, it's best to use
    html 5 canvas instead of flash.
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    You can make flash accessible,
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    but html 5 is a better way to go.
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    Flash is also not accessible
    to users of iPhones and iPads anyway.
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    I'm talking about the images and logos.
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    There's a lot of confusion between
    'alt' and 'title'.
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    alt means what you can't see.
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    the title tag is an optional thing -
    you don't need to have that.
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    If it's an image that leads to
    another page,
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    like a logo on the top left of the
    the navigation,
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    you could have a description of what
    the image is.
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    Accessibility logo, for example, alt.
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    And then the title will say "go to home page"
    or going to a different website.
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    If the image is just decorative
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    then you can keep the alt empty,
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    but don't remove it.
    Just had it there, but it doesn't need
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    to have anything in there.
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    Also no text in the graphics -
    it's best to use
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    html for the text
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    as screenreaders will not be able to
    read the text inside of an image.
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    Avoid image maps if possible,
    that would be the best.
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    Providing text or shapes for a color button,
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    and i'll talk about color in a moment.
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    Don't use strobing, flickering, or
    any sort of optical illusion because
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    people who have seizures
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    will be sensitive to that, and they might not
    even be able to see that or detect that.
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    If it's something that's a slower
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    pulsating type of image that could be ok,
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    but not something that's an optical illusion.
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    I mean, I know maybe it's apropos
    for some websites but usually
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    it's not very accessible.
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    Talking about color -
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    one in ten men are color blind.
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    I've met a lot of men
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    who are color blind,
    but actually I haven't met a woman
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    who is color blind, and statistically
    it's only one in two hundred.
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    If you notice a subway map,
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    typically I'll say to my friend, oh I will take
    the green line, or take the red line,
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    or the orange line.
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    I rarely will reference the number but if
    someone's color blind it might be harder.
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    Red and green are typically colors
    that people who are color blind are
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    sensitive to,
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    yellow and blue not so much,
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    and rare that you would see black
    and white color blindness
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    but this is sort of an image
    of what that might be like.
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    So you don't want to rely on color only.
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    For example these buttons -
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    stop and go here -
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    you can read it. It's a little hard, but
    for someone who is color blind,
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    that's what it will look like. It just
    looks like brown on brown,
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    and then the text gets lost
    in the color.
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    Contrast is a better way to make
    something more accessible.
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    Whether or not you want to add an image
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    make sure that someone is not
    reliant on the color of the
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    information for the information.
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    I'm sure you're familiar
    that facebook is blue. Do you know why?
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    Because Mark Zuckerberg is actually
    color blind, that's why facebook is blue.
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    I just read about about that.
    I thought that was cool.
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    In terms of tables I'm not going to go
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    into great depth in terms of the code
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    but here's a summary about it because
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    some tables are more simple, some are more complex.
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    Here is a summary just so you have
    a heads up about this.
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    In terms of captions
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    to explain what's in the table
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    must be there for the header,
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    and scope should be included.
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    and also CSS has specific rules for
    the table.
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    Tables should only be used for
    tabular data -
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    like a spreadsheet or something that's
    in a matrix format.
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    They shouldn't be be used for layout.
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    You should just use css for the layout.
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    In the past tables were used much more
    commonly but now not so much.
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    In terms of these tags for the heads,
    body, footer,
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    you can find more of these
    in google or online in other places.
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    Forms.
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    It's important to have labels
    for the input.
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    It is also good because the screenreader
    user is reliant on the keyboard.
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    Most of us are relying on the keyboard
    as well.
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    The 'label for' tag
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    might only be for
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    these small radio buttons.
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    If you use
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    that means that you can also include
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    the entire text. So if you click on the
    word -
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    that also gives you the selection as well.
    It's great for the keyboard users
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    and people using screenreaders.
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    If you use groups like radio buttons
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    checkbox
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    or setting up a field - .
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    and ,
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    those are basic rules for tables.
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    Now we're talking about video and audio
    and as a deaf person this is something
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    I've experienced a lot of frustration with -
    most videos online are not captioned.
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    Many video broadcasts are not
    accessible to deaf people.
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    Some people think, well YouTube has
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    automatic captions - and I encorage people
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    to use YouTube not Vimeo.
    Vimeo does not support captions at all,
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    YouTube has some captioning support.
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    I also recommend YouTube because
    it's very easy to use and it's an easy way
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    to add captions, but
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    do not reply on the auto-captions
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    because they are
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    really hard to understand,
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    and I'll show you in a moment an example.
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    It's important to have good quality
    captions and transcript -
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    not just relying on speech recognition.
    You could use that perhaps but make sure
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    that it's cleaned up.
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    Or perhaps hire someone
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    who can produce a good quality transcript
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    beyond just what an automatic speech to
    text recognition can do.
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    Also if you use radio podcasts
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    you can have a good enough transcript for that,
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    but make sure that you have
    the proper style -
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    identifying speakers for example;
    make sure punctuation is correct;
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    and if there are any sound effects like
    laughter or playing music, that that
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    information is included as well.
    Because a deaf person is not going
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    to hear those audio cues.
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    For videos you should have
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    both captions and transcript
    available.
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    The reasoning is because if someone
    is both deaf and blind
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    they're not going to be able to follow
    the transcripts -
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    I mean the captions.
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    They might be reliant on a braille
    display that pops up
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    for them to be able to read the
    transcript as away to access the video.
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    Transcripts benefit not only deaf
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    people and deaf-blind people,
    perhaps for an hour long video somebody
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    would be able to skim through the
    transcript a lot faster than watching
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    the entire video.
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    So it really in general is best to have
    both the transcript and the captions.
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    Sometimes you want to be able to watch
    and hear the video, and then be able
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    to read the captions,
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    without first watching the video
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    or just read the transcript.
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    Just as it's important to have
    the audio and video in sync,
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    it's important the captions
    be synced as well.
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    In terms of webinars
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    it's important to hire someone who's
    a professional transcriptionist,
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    somebody who is professionally trained
    for that,
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    so that they have 98% accuracy
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    with 220 words per minute.
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    That's the required speed and
    not everyone can do that.
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    So if you want to have a video pick
    a player that supports captions,
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    and if you want a transcript that may be
    too much for you to do yourself -
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    this is a popular service CastingWords -
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    and you can use that for podcasts and
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    also YouTube videos.
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    If there's a time stamp,
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    you can then upload it to YouTube,
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    and they have a way that you can sync
    ticket options with the video.
  • 22:39 - 22:43
    I have more information on my own website.
  • 22:43 - 22:46
    Usually I'll give a one hour
    presentation on this kind of information
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    so I'm only touching on points here.
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    I want to show you why automatic captions
    are not reliable.
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    There's no sound on purpose,
    just for you to watch it.
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    So I've actually listened with a person
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    who could hear whether the captions matched,
  • 23:58 - 24:01
    and they said that it didn't.
  • 24:01 - 24:04
    The speech recognition is just
    relying on a machine.
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    It's good that it does something,
  • 24:09 - 24:13
    but it's hard to rely on the auto-captions.
  • 24:13 - 24:16
    Most people think that it's no big deal,
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    we can just use that, but they do really
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    need to be cleaned up by a person.
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    So here's some general information.
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    WebAIM is a great resource
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    for making your websites accessible,
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    and very clearly presented,
    the information there.
  • 24:41 - 24:43
    If you'd like to have an evaluation tool
  • 24:43 - 24:47
    this is a very popular site - WAVE -
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    developed by the WerbAIM team.
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    I do have that on my computer and
    it's very helpful.
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    It's not 100% reliable or accurate.
  • 24:57 - 25:02
    Sometimes it might miss
    certain elements of the site.
  • 25:02 - 25:05
    Firefox also has accessibility
    extensions,
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    and the WAI has a lot of
    different tools here.
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    Captioning, if you're more curious
    about that,
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    I do have a website here with
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    a lot of information and my contact
    information is there as well.
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    If anyone has any questions?
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    (Audience Member)
    Are there any WordPress templates
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    and/or plugins that you recommend
    as being very accessible?
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    (Sveta voiced by an interpreter)
    I'd have to google it in terms of
    accessibility and WordPress..
  • 25:53 - 25:54
    (Audience Member)
    Anything that you've used or come across
  • 25:54 - 25:57
    that you're really comfortable with?
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    (Sveta voiced by an interpreter)
    I've just started using WordPress
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    earlier this year so i'm not as familiar.
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    (Audience Member)
    What websites are potentially liable to being sued
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    for not being accessible, and for what period?
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    (Sveta voiced by an interpreter)
    There are so many.
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    Well, ninety seven percent of web sites
    are not accesible,
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    for example, Netflix.
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    The deaf community's actually suing,
    in process with a lawsuit right now with Netflix
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    because they refused to caption
  • 26:41 - 26:46
    their streaming videos. Their dvds have captions,
    but they don't have streaming captions.
  • 26:46 - 26:50
    CNN is also involved in a lawsuit right now,
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    they have captions on television but they
    don't have captions on their web content.
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    I know that blind people, they sued
    Target. There was a blind community
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    involved in a lawsuit against
    the Target website.
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    (Audience Member)
    So there's some examples, and like I say
    it's a better investment
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    to make their website accessible than
    be liable and possibly be spending money
  • 27:12 - 27:22
    on a lawsuit later. Are there any ways of tracking,
  • 27:22 - 27:25
    using Google analytics, to see how many access-challenged
    users are coming to your site
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    so you can say to a client,
    you need to address this?
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    (Sveta voiced by an interpreter)
    I don't think there's any way
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    to track using Google analytics.
    I think user testing is the only way
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    to really track accessibility,
  • 27:51 - 27:53
    and these accessibility valuation tools.
  • 27:53 - 27:58
    (Audience Member)
    Aren't there separate browsers
  • 27:58 - 28:06
    that can be used by accessibility...
  • 28:06 - 28:07
    (Sveta voiced by an interpreter)
    What do you mean?
  • 28:07 - 28:10
    (Audience Member)
    Uh... for the speech,
  • 28:10 - 28:13
    it can read through..
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    There are certain browsers that can..
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    that, if you need it read to you,

    0:28:18.430,0:28:25.430
    you can..use that browser,but I'm not sure
    if it's capturable in analytics.
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    (Sveta voiced by an interpreter)
    No, not that I'm aware.
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    It's the same concept as if you
    design a regular website,
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    and your user experience is not just
    about the people who are disabled but
  • 28:47 - 28:51
    you might try to have some user testing
    to see whether or not
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    the website conforms to the expectations
  • 28:53 - 28:57
    of a certain user group that's very similar
  • 28:57 - 28:59
    to people who are disabled.
  • 28:59 - 29:02
    The only really way to find out is
    the survey people with
  • 29:02 - 29:10
    disabilities and get their feedback.
  • 29:10 - 29:16
    (Audience Member)
    That's one of the questions I am asking about
    developers asking the disabled community
  • 29:16 - 29:20
    how to do certain things.
    I mean, I am beginning to lose my vision,
  • 29:20 - 29:27
    and I've found it's very difficult
    to get somebody to say,
  • 29:27 - 29:30
    well, it's very easy
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    to do this because I see other technology
  • 29:39 - 29:44
    being used broadly and maybe
    the inference about ramps,
  • 29:44 - 29:46
    well everybody uses ramps and
    it's part of the culture
  • 29:46 - 29:57
    not just about accessibility and those
    who need it and it's really for everybody.
  • 29:57 - 30:04
    (Sveta voiced by an interpreter)
    I'm sorry. Is that a comment or a question?
  • 30:04 - 30:05
    (Audience Member)
    The question is ...
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    How do you get people's minds
  • 30:07 - 30:09
    wrapped around that you should be
    developing for everybody all the time,
  • 30:09 - 30:11
    rather than to step back and say
    I'm going to do this site for blind people,
  • 30:11 - 30:22
    I'm going to do this site for deaf people.
    It's just that why shouldn't you just
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    include all these accessibility tools
    as part of your regular development?
  • 30:32 - 30:35
    (Sveta voiced by an interpreter)
    Well, because people aren't aware
  • 30:35 - 30:39
    unless they have had that
    explicitly explained to them
  • 30:39 - 30:44
    as it a deaf person I might say well I need
    captions, but I might be perceived
  • 30:44 - 30:46
    as being just one deaf person asking for that.
  • 30:46 - 30:49
    People don't realize that captions
    benefit speakers of other languages.
  • 30:49 - 30:52
    My parents have perfect hearing
  • 30:52 - 30:55
    but their first language is Russian,
    not English,
  • 30:55 - 30:58
    and they watch television with the
    captions on,
  • 30:58 - 31:01
    because it helps them understand and
    learn English better,
  • 31:01 - 31:04
    The disability market is huge
  • 31:04 - 31:07
    and so they shouldn't be overlooked.
  • 31:07 - 31:11
    People who are becoming older,
    you'll notice the baby boomers
  • 31:11 - 31:15
    are now a very large segment of the
    population and and more and more of them
  • 31:15 - 31:18
    are developing disabilities as they age.
  • 31:18 - 31:20
    So I mean it's not easy,
  • 31:20 - 31:25
    I can overload people with statistics.
    People who care tend to really
  • 31:25 - 31:28
    make the investment, and others
  • 31:28 - 31:32
    don't, they won't.
  • 31:32 - 31:34
    Do you want to do responsive,
  • 31:34 - 31:38
    type of reactive design, or
    be like people who want to
  • 31:38 - 31:41
    develop based on user experience?
    Those are two different
  • 31:41 - 31:44
    approaches that people can take.
  • 31:44 - 31:49
    (Audience Member)
    No. I am just making, I guess, the comment
    that the very fact that you are here
  • 31:49 - 32:02
    raises the fact that a lot of people in
    this room probably never even thought about -
  • 32:02 - 32:09
    I mean that may be just an assumption on my part, but -
    I think this is just a way of raising
  • 32:09 - 32:13
    the awareness for the rest of the community.
  • 32:13 - 32:16
    (Sveta voiced by an interpreter)
    Yes, right. And, for me, I'm a sighted person
  • 32:16 - 32:21
    but sometimes, if a page is slow to load,
  • 32:21 - 32:26
    I still like to have the description
    of the image
  • 32:26 - 32:28
    because I might shut off images
  • 32:28 - 32:32
    and still want to to be able
    to see what it is to make it
  • 32:32 - 32:36
    load the page faster.

    0:32:33.270,0:32:36.429
    Just having "something dot jpg"
  • 32:36 - 32:42
    isn't necessarily going to be very helpful.
  • 32:42 - 32:45
    It helps the searchability
  • 32:45 - 32:49
    as well if those tags are there in the
    descriptions. Even though I am not
  • 32:49 - 32:52
    blind I benefit
  • 32:52 - 32:55
    from accessibility for blind users.
  • 32:55 - 32:58
    And even with captions, people think well
    they don't need that,
  • 32:58 - 33:03
    and then later on when they use them,
    they'll realize how they
  • 33:03 - 33:08
    appreciate it and they wish
    they had used them earlier.
  • 33:08 - 33:12
    I think there was some in the back
    with a question?
  • 33:12 - 33:19
    (Audience Member)
    I was just wanting to respond to something that
    the gentleman up there said earlier
  • 33:19 - 33:22
    about why include it in everything that you do
    as kind of a default thing.
  • 33:22 - 33:37
    Well why do we include mobile versions
    and responsive versions of sites

    0:33:25.770,0:33:28.210
    by default? I think it should be treated
    the same way. I'm not arguing with you. (laughter)
  • 33:37 - 33:37
    (Sveta voiced by an interpreter)
    That's a good point. Yes.
  • 33:37 - 33:43
    (Audience Member)
    Could you speak more about

    0:33:40.419,0:33:43.200
    responsive design?
  • 33:43 - 33:45
    Are you saying that responsive has
  • 33:45 - 33:53
    a better capability for the disabled?
  • 33:53 - 33:57
    (Sveta voiced by an interpreter)
    Well, not exactly. It can overlap,
  • 33:57 - 34:00
    but not exactly.
  • 34:00 - 34:05
    Because if you use mobile phones
  • 34:05 - 34:09
    but the code is not compatible
  • 34:09 - 34:14
    for a mobile phone, I'm not sure how
    exactly people with limited vision
  • 34:14 - 34:17
    even use the mobile phone. That's still new
    for me but that's another example
  • 34:17 - 34:19
    in terms of having the code be compatible for
  • 34:19 - 34:26
    what shows up on a mobile phone.
  • 34:26 - 34:30
    I know how people with disabilities use
    an actual standard computer. I'm not as
  • 34:30 - 34:48
    familiar with people with disabilities
    using mobile devices.
  • 34:48 - 34:51
    (Audience Member)
    This is more in reference to
    how do we make accessibility
  • 34:51 - 34:55
    more standard. I think we are
    at a good time now with html 5,
  • 34:55 - 34:57
    css 3, and all these new additions.
    They are still in the works of
  • 34:57 - 35:01
    being the global rule of the land,
    compared to how html was very much
  • 35:01 - 35:04
    do it until it looks right kind of thing,
    so right now, if we do push for it
  • 35:04 - 35:17
    in as many places as we can
    I think it will potentially be more..
  • 35:17 - 35:18
    (Sveta voiced by an interpreter)
    Correct, but that isn't enough.
  • 35:18 - 35:22
    We need to remember also about color -
  • 35:22 - 35:24
    it's not just about coding,
  • 35:24 - 35:27
    it's also about the design,
    and the visual aspects
  • 35:27 - 35:31
    of the website as well.
  • 35:31 - 35:37
    (Audience Member)
    That's a good point, thanks.
  • 35:37 - 35:40
    (Audience Member)
    Are there tools?
    As a designer and front end developer,
  • 35:40 - 35:42
    I'm always using tools like browser stats and
    from other devices because you can't
  • 35:42 - 35:44
    possibly have all the devices..
    and this is something I need
  • 35:44 - 35:47
    to consider that there's even more
    devices that I'm designing for
  • 35:47 - 35:50
    that we're not even looking at.
    So I'm wondering if there are tools
  • 35:50 - 35:55
    that as developers we can access to
    get an experience of what
  • 35:55 - 36:08
    a disabled person may be seeing.
  • 36:08 - 36:14
    (Sveta voiced by an interpreter)
    Yes. You can download the free tools.
  • 36:14 - 36:18
    I think if you have a Mac,
  • 36:18 - 36:22
    Mac has screen reader software already
    built in. I just found this out.
  • 36:22 - 36:28
    There is captioning support too
    which i was really amazed at. I'm curious
  • 36:28 - 36:33
    as to what the screenreader with captioning is
    going to look like.
  • 36:33 - 36:37
    The Mac screenreader also has captions,
  • 36:37 - 36:41
    that's telling me what it says.
    It's really cool. So if you have a Mac
  • 36:41 - 36:45
    you use the VoiceOver
  • 36:45 - 36:49
    that's the Mac feature
  • 36:49 - 36:51
    you can select as an option.
  • 36:51 - 36:55
    I think in windows, I'm not sure what
    it's called because i don't use windows
  • 36:55 - 36:58
    there might be something that's
  • 36:58 - 36:59
    parallel that does
  • 36:59 - 37:06
    the same thing for windows.
  • 37:06 - 37:13
    (Audience Member)
    Can I just comment, add to that?
  • 37:13 - 37:15
    Because I do use windows, can I just
    follow up, is that ok?
  • 37:15 - 37:17
    (Sveta voiced by an interpreter)
    Sure, go ahead.
  • 37:17 - 37:20
    (Audience Member)
    OK. On windows there are a couple of speech
  • 37:20 - 37:22
    detects software. One is called Natural
    Reader, that will read the text on a page,
  • 37:22 - 37:26
    detects software. One is called Natural
    Reader, that will read the text on a page,
  • 37:26 - 37:28
    and also turn it into a wav file, so that
    you can automatically...
  • 37:28 - 37:37
    So, it will read through the copy you've
    written, turn it into a wav file, and
  • 37:37 - 37:42
    you can repost it on the site. So you've
    automatically turned it into something for
  • 37:42 - 37:51
    people who can't see but would like to
    hear what you've just written.
  • 37:51 - 37:53
    (Sveta voiced by an interpreter)
    Thank you for saying, that.
  • 37:53 -
    OK, I think that's it (Applause)
Title:
Accessibility and Websites - Svetlana Kouznetsova
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Accessibility and Websites - Svetlana Kouznetsova at WordPress NYC Meetup at NYU Poly NYC on Oct 16 2012

Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the world wide web, said: "The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect." The internet is definitely one of the best things that happened to people with disabilities. However, there are still many websites that are not accessible to those visitors because they are not designed or coded properly to be used effectively even with assistive technologies. This presentation covers the basics of accessibility and explains why it benefits everyone, regardless of disabilities, and even website owners.

Svetlana Kouznetsova (Sveta) is a NYC-based web professional with a BFA in Graphic Design, an MS in Internet Technology, and over a decade of project experience with national/international organizations and non-profit/educational institutions. Her main interests are user experience, accessibility, front-end design/coding based on the latest web standards.
http://s-v-k.com/

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