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Using fluorescence to expose cancer | Cédric Enguehard | TEDxLimoges

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    A few years ago, Limoges university
    hospital practitioners
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    and Faculty of Medicine researchers
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    were in discussion.
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    And they wanted to know
    if there was something
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    that might aid them
    during cancer surgeries.
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    What they found
    did not really satisfy them.
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    So, they straightway
    launched a research program.
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    This research involved medics,
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    researchers in biology,
    in chemistry, physicists,
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    from various institutes,
    and from various organizations.
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    The first time I heard
    of this research program and its work,
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    I was right away attracted by the elegance
    of the solution it proposed.
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    And then I saw very quickly
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    the incredible impact
    this technology could have for patients.
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    So I decided to quit my job to dedicate
    all of my time to this project,
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    and I was joined by two friends,
    Alexis and Virgile.
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    Today, we are trying to transform
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    this beautiful technology
    into a real tool.
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    So, how can we see what is not visible?
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    Most of what surrounds us
    that we call invisible
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    is just too small for us to perceive.
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    It's the case, for example, in diseases
    that we cannot see directly.
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    What we can see are the symptoms
    that inform us that something is wrong.
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    Certain diseases come
    from external factors
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    like viruses or, say, bacteria.
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    Other illnesses come from our own body.
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    That's the case for cancer.
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    Throughout our life,
    right now as I am talking to you,
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    all of us, we all have cells
    that regenerate and renew themselves
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    in a cycle that we might consider
    to be birth, life, and death.
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    All this at the cellular level.
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    For example, the liver renews
    all of its cells in 400 days.
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    This is not an excuse
    for your next night out -
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    you will agree.
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    And some other cells
    are renewed even faster.
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    That's the case for the intestine.
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    The intestine renews its cells
    entirely every five days.
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    And during our entire life,
    we are all going to lose
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    about the equivalent
    of 20 kg of dead skin.
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    Think about that
    when you see dust at home.
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    Unfortunately, in this process,
    some cells may degenerate.
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    This can have several causes:
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    our lifestyle, inherited factors,
    or our environment.
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    And these cells will start to degenerate.
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    For example, some of them
    will become immortal.
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    When I first heard
    some cells become immortal,
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    I thought we were all going to live long.
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    In fact, no, it just brings
    processes to a complete end,
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    with the consequence
    that the organ becomes non-functional.
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    So, at the root of a disease as serious,
    as terrible, as cancer,
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    there are just tiny cells.
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    And a cell measures about 10 micrometres,
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    which is nearly 10 times smaller
    than the diameter of a hair.
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    It is really small.
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    (Applause)
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    They are tiny, and cannot be seen
    with the naked eye.
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    They also have an incredible quality
    that is really vicious,
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    which is that they make themselves
    invisible to our immune system,
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    and so our body cannot
    defend itself against them.
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    There are different methods
    to discover cancerous lesions.
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    For example, tumour marking:
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    We take a sample, we mark it,
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    and we get to detecting lesions
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    of several tens of thousands
    of cancerous cells.
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    There's also imaging.
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    We inject a tracer into the patient,
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    use a device like
    a PET scanner or a scintigraph,
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    and we can see lesions
    of a few millimetres in size.
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    But already, the cancer
    consists of tens of millions,
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    even hundreds of millions, of cells.
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    For a tumour to be
    visible to the naked eye,
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    when it's nearly a centimetre across,
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    we're into hundreds of millions of cells,
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    even billions.
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    During the life of the patient,
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    most of these cancers are going
    to be treated by surgical means.
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    That is, a man or a woman
    will go to this organ,
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    which she or he knows is sick,
    and will remove the tumour cells.
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    But at some point, despite
    all their expertise and experience,
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    they'll need to ask themselves:
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    Should I continue
    to scrape away at this organ?
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    Should I continue to remove
    a small part of this organ?
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    If I continue, I may remove
    some healthy, functional tissue,
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    and I may thus compromise
    my patient's quality of life.
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    That's very clear when it's about
    lesions in the brain, for example.
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    On the other hand, if I stop,
    if I leave it as it is,
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    I take the risk of there
    remaining cancer cells,
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    and then the cancer
    may come back and re-advance.
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    It is precisely to see
    the invisible boundary
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    between healthy cells
    and those that are cancerous
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    that this project was started.
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    Imagine a cell.
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    So here, clearly, I shrank.
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    On this cell, there are
    lots of tiny molecules.
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    These small molecules, all different,
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    can tell us about the internal functioning
    and mechanism of the cell.
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    So, all we have to do is find the molecule
    that tells us the cell is cancerous,
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    and we're there.
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    In biology, there are antibodies -
    you've already heard about them -
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    and antibodies know how to do many things,
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    in particular, to recognize
    and hook onto these molecules.
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    And onto our antibody,
    we can hook a fluorophore,
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    a type of biological lantern
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    that re-emits light
    when light is shone on it.
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    So, we attach this fluorophore
    to our antibody,
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    and the moment our antibody
    hooks onto the molecule,
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    it will signal to us
    that that one is cancerous.
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    This is already a very big step.
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    But they went even further
    in their research.
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    It so happens that when the antibody
    hooks its molecule, it changes shape,
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    it's as if it folds its arms.
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    And this is great because there is
    another physical effect called FRET -
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    Förster Resonance Energy Transfer.
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    I feel like I've lost you all.
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    This superb effect - it's quite easy
    to understand, but it's incredible.
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    You have two fluorophores,
    of different colours, one red, one green.
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    Each shines in its place,
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    but at a given moment,
    at a really precise distance,
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    they will exchange their energy,
    one will transfer its energy to the other.
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    And so our green fluorophore
    begins to become dimmer,
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    while the red fluorophore
    begins to become much more intense.
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    The idea behind it was
    to take these two fluorophores,
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    hook them to very specific
    places on our antibody,
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    so that when it recognizes
    a cancerous cell,
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    by hooking onto it, it will change colour.
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    So, instead of seeing light
    slightly green and red,
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    the surgeon will only see red light,
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    telling her or him that she or he
    should continue to perform their surgery.
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    But to go even further,
    we took these small antibodies
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    and put them at the end of a small
    optical fibre about 2 mm in diameter,
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    to come directly into contact
    with the patient's tissue.
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    By injecting a light beam,
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    we are able to tell whether or not
    the tissues are cancerous,
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    whether or not to continue
    to perform the surgery
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    to give the patient the best chance.
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    It's thanks to this project
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    that we can improve
    the patient's quality of life
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    by making detectable what was invisible.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
Using fluorescence to expose cancer | Cédric Enguehard | TEDxLimoges
Description:

Bad, good; the boundary is sometimes hard to determine.

When the disease is in our tissues, shedding light on this boundary becomes a vital matter. Open the directory of dysfunctions of the human body, an encyclopedia, one needs to choose a cause. For this speaker, it was to be to separate what is well from what is not.

A former student at the University of Limoges and a doctorate from the XLIM laboratory, previously at AMCAD Engineering, Cédric Enguehard is one who seeks out, and his business creation has one mission: to arm medical science against that invisible malignancy that makes diagnosis difficult. To eliminate guesswork from interpretation: to bring out, to determinedly distinguish, to demarcate, what is clearly bad. If we're going to cut the grass, we might as well cut it as short as possible under the feet of the Grim Reaper.

This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx

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Video Language:
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Duration:
07:18

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