Why we struggle learning languages | Gabriel Wyner | TEDxNewBedford
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0:10 - 0:13So, there's a myth
when it comes to language. -
0:14 - 0:16And that myth is that children
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0:17 - 0:20are exceptionally good
at learning languages -
0:21 - 0:24and that we lose that gift
when we grow up. -
0:25 - 0:28We have good reason
for believing in this myth. -
0:28 - 0:30Many of us have had this experience.
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0:30 - 0:32We've picked a language
in high school or college, -
0:32 - 0:36studied hard for three, four, five years,
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0:36 - 0:38and then we take a trip to France,
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0:39 - 0:42and we meet a five-year-old French child,
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0:43 - 0:45and she speaks way better
French then we do. -
0:45 - 0:46(Laughter)
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0:46 - 0:47And it's not fair.
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0:47 - 0:49I mean, we have struggled so hard,
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0:49 - 0:52and she has never
worked a day in her life, -
0:52 - 0:54and yet here she is
correcting our grammar. -
0:58 - 1:00And you're right.
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1:00 - 1:01It's not fair.
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1:02 - 1:05It's not fair because you are
comparing yourself to a child -
1:05 - 1:09who has had 15,000 hours
of French exposure, -
1:09 - 1:12and you have had 100,
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1:12 - 1:14maybe 200, maybe 50.
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1:14 - 1:18It depends upon how much of your classes
were actually spent in French -
1:18 - 1:22instead of in English
talking about French. -
1:22 - 1:24When you make the fair comparison -
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1:24 - 1:27you take a five-year-old child,
transplant them to Spain, -
1:27 - 1:29give them 500 hours of exposure there;
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1:29 - 1:32adult gets a job in Spain,
500 hours of exposure - -
1:32 - 1:37what you'll find is that the adult
beats the child every time. -
1:37 - 1:40We are better at learning
languages than children. -
1:41 - 1:42We are smarter than them.
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1:43 - 1:44We've learned how to learn.
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1:44 - 1:46It's one of the perks of growing up.
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1:47 - 1:50That's not to say there are
no advantages to being a kid; -
1:50 - 1:51there are three.
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1:51 - 1:55Between the ages of 6 months
and 12 months, in that tiny window, -
1:55 - 1:59children can hear sounds in new languages
in a way that we lose. -
2:00 - 2:01Significant advantage there.
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2:02 - 2:05Advantage two, children are fearless.
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2:06 - 2:10They will walk into any conversation,
whether they know the words or not, -
2:10 - 2:13where we will hold ourselves
back; we'll be afraid. -
2:14 - 2:15Huge advantage.
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2:16 - 2:22Yet neither of those two advantages
outweighs our superior ability to learn. -
2:23 - 2:28The third advantage of being a child
is the advantage of time. -
2:28 - 2:32We don't have 15,000 hours
to spend learning French. -
2:33 - 2:34And so, to succeed at this,
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2:34 - 2:39we need something that works better
than what children use. -
2:39 - 2:41And to talk about
what that might look like, -
2:41 - 2:43I want to talk about some
of my own experiences. -
2:43 - 2:47I began my language learning
journey with Hebrew, -
2:47 - 2:49in kindergarten and elementary school.
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2:49 - 2:51I studied for seven years,
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2:51 - 2:53and at the end of those
seven years of study, -
2:53 - 2:55I could read the Hebrew ...
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2:55 - 2:56alphabet.
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2:56 - 2:58(Laughter)
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2:59 - 3:00So I try it again.
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3:00 - 3:02In junior high and high school,
I was fortunate; -
3:02 - 3:04I went to a high school
that offered Russian -
3:04 - 3:06with really good teachers,
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3:06 - 3:08and so I took Russian
for five and a half years. -
3:08 - 3:11I studied hard; I did well on my tests;
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3:11 - 3:14I did all of my homework; and at the end
of those five and a half years, -
3:14 - 3:18I could read the Russian alphabet.
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3:20 - 3:23I retained, maybe, 40 words,
and I came to the conclusion -
3:23 - 3:25that this whole language thing
was not for me. -
3:26 - 3:29And then I made a poor decision.
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3:30 - 3:31I was always a science nerd.
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3:31 - 3:33I loved science and engineering;
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3:33 - 3:36I wanted to be a nuclear engineer,
focused on plasma physics -
3:36 - 3:38so I could make fusion reactors.
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3:38 - 3:39That was my thing as a kid.
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3:40 - 3:43But I had this hobby,
and that hobby was singing. -
3:43 - 3:45I sang musical theater and opera.
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3:45 - 3:48And as I was applying
to engineering schools for college, -
3:48 - 3:51I applied to one that had
a music conservatory, and I thought, -
3:51 - 3:57"Wouldn't it be weird to study opera
and mechanical engineering? -
3:58 - 3:59Wouldn't that be out there?"
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4:00 - 4:01And so I did.
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4:01 - 4:05One of the side effects of that
is that I needed to take language courses. -
4:05 - 4:08For that opera degree, I needed
German, French, and Italian. -
4:08 - 4:11And a French friend of mine
came to me and said, -
4:11 - 4:16"Hey, you know, you can get
two semesters of credit in one summer -
4:16 - 4:17at this school in Vermont."
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4:18 - 4:19And I thought, "That sounds great."
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4:19 - 4:22So I signed right up for this program.
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4:22 - 4:23And the way this program works
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4:23 - 4:26is that you sign a contract
on the very first day. -
4:26 - 4:30It says that if I speak one word
that is not German, -
4:30 - 4:32if I write anything, if I read anything,
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4:32 - 4:35if I listen to a voicemail
that's not in German, -
4:35 - 4:37I will get kicked out
of the school with no refund. -
4:38 - 4:40And I thought,
"I guess that sounds like fun." -
4:40 - 4:41(Laughter)
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4:42 - 4:44And so I went,
and I signed that contract, -
4:44 - 4:48and I realized that I did not
actually speak any German, -
4:48 - 4:50and so, I stopped talking.
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4:50 - 4:51(Laughter)
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4:52 - 4:54And someone came up to me, and he said,
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4:54 - 4:56"Hallo, ich heiße Joshua. Wie heißt du?"
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4:56 - 4:58And I said, "Eh?"
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4:58 - 4:59(Laughter)
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5:00 - 5:03And he said, "Hallo, ich heiße Joshua.
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5:03 - 5:05Wie heißt du?"
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5:05 - 5:08And I said, "Ich heiße Gabriel?"
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5:09 - 5:11And I learned German that way.
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5:11 - 5:15Seven weeks later, I could
hold a solid conversation in the language, -
5:15 - 5:20and I became addicted to the feeling
of thinking in a completely new way. -
5:21 - 5:25And so, I went back the following summer
to reach fluency in German. -
5:26 - 5:31In 2007, I moved to Vienna, Austria,
to pursue a degree in opera and in song. -
5:31 - 5:35In 2008, I went to Perugia, Italy,
to study Italian. -
5:35 - 5:38And in 2010, I cheated on a French test.
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5:38 - 5:40And that's where all of this comes from.
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5:41 - 5:44You see, I wanted to go back to
that school with the contracts in Vermont -
5:44 - 5:47because, in a sort of
stressful, masochistic way, -
5:47 - 5:49it was actually kind of fun.
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5:50 - 5:53And they had a Level 1 for people
who weren't familiar with French, -
5:53 - 5:55which was appropriate for my level,
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5:55 - 5:58but they also had Level 1.5
that was a little bit faster. -
5:58 - 6:00And I thought, this was my third language.
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6:00 - 6:02Italian is close to French.
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6:02 - 6:05I can probably manage 1.5.
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6:05 - 6:07So they sent me a placement test online,
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6:08 - 6:10and I cheated on it as much
as I possibly could. -
6:10 - 6:13I figured me not knowing French
and cheating as much as I could -
6:13 - 6:15might get me in Level 1.5.
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6:16 - 6:18And so, I used
About.com's "French grammar" -
6:18 - 6:20to cheat on the multiple-choice section.
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6:20 - 6:24I wrote an essay in Google Translate
and submitted this thing. -
6:24 - 6:25(Laughter)
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6:26 - 6:27I sent it off.
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6:27 - 6:29I didn't think about any more of it.
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6:29 - 6:31And three months later I got an email,
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6:31 - 6:33and that email said, "Congratulations!
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6:33 - 6:35You did really well
on your placement test! -
6:35 - 6:37We're placing you
in the intermediate level." -
6:37 - 6:38(Laughter)
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6:38 - 6:40"You have three months.
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6:40 - 6:43In three months, we're going to put
you in a room with a French speaker. -
6:43 - 6:45We'll talk to you for about 15 minutes
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6:45 - 6:47to make sure you did not
do anything stupid, -
6:47 - 6:49like cheat on your placement test."
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6:49 - 6:50(Laughter)
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6:51 - 6:52And so, I panicked.
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6:53 - 6:55And when I panic, I go to the internet
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6:55 - 6:58because, clearly, someone there
has an answer for everything, -
6:58 - 7:02and as it turns out, there were
some good answers. -
7:02 - 7:04There are these systems called
spaced repetition systems. -
7:04 - 7:06They're basically like flashcards.
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7:06 - 7:09You know those cards with, like,
"chat - cat" that you used in school? -
7:09 - 7:11These are computerized versions of these,
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7:11 - 7:14but they test you
right at the optimal moment, -
7:14 - 7:16right before you forget
any piece of information, -
7:16 - 7:18so they're extremely efficient.
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7:19 - 7:22Now, what people use
these space repetitions programs for -
7:22 - 7:24is they use them with translations.
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7:24 - 7:26And I knew from my experiences
with Hebrew and Russian -
7:26 - 7:28that that wasn't going to work for me,
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7:28 - 7:31and so I did something else.
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7:31 - 7:34And to explain that,
let's talk about two words. -
7:35 - 7:37The first word, we learn in a classroom.
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7:38 - 7:39We're learning Hungarian.
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7:40 - 7:41Our teacher comes to the board.
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7:41 - 7:45She writes fényképezőgép
is the Hungarian word for camera. -
7:45 - 7:47And then she writes
39 other words on the board -
7:47 - 7:49and says, "This will be
your vocabulary for the week. -
7:49 - 7:51You'll have a quiz
at the end of the week." -
7:53 - 7:55The second word,
we learn quite differently. -
7:56 - 7:59You are on an adventure
with your best friend. -
7:59 - 8:00You're in Scandinavia.
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8:02 - 8:04You find yourselves in an old bar.
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8:05 - 8:07There are six grizzled old patrons.
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8:07 - 8:08You sit at the bar,
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8:08 - 8:12and the barkeep,
he is definitely a Viking. -
8:12 - 8:14He has a giant red beard,
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8:14 - 8:16and he is smiling at you
in a very disturbing manner -
8:16 - 8:20as he puts out three shot glasses
and pulls out a bottle, -
8:20 - 8:23and on the bottle you see written
M O K T O R, -
8:23 - 8:26as the barkeep says, "Moktor"
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8:26 - 8:29and starts pouring something
into these shot glasses. -
8:29 - 8:32And it's a sort of green liquid,
but not a nice, emerald green liquid; -
8:32 - 8:36it's a kind of brownish yellowish
viscous green liquid. -
8:37 - 8:40And he puts the bottle away,
and he pulls out a white jar. -
8:40 - 8:43From the white jar, he starts spooning
out something into each shot glass. -
8:43 - 8:47From the scent, you realize
this is definitely rotting fish, -
8:47 - 8:49as he repeats, "Moktor,"
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8:49 - 8:52and all the patrons now are turning
and looking at you and laughing. -
8:54 - 8:56The barkeep now pulls out a match.
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8:56 - 8:59He lights it, he lights
the three shot glasses on fire, -
8:59 - 9:00and he repeats, "Moktor,"
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9:00 - 9:04as all of the patrons now start chanting
"Moktor! Moktor! Moktor!" -
9:04 - 9:06And your friend, your stupid friend,
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9:06 - 9:09he picks up his shot glass
and he shouts "Moktor!" -
9:09 - 9:11and he blows it out, and he drinks it.
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9:12 - 9:15And the barkeep, he blows his out,
and he shouts "Moktor!" -
9:15 - 9:16and he drinks it.
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9:16 - 9:19And now everyone is staring at you,
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9:20 - 9:23chanting "Moktor! Moktor!"
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9:24 - 9:26And you pick up your glass -
"Moktor!" - -
9:26 - 9:28and you blow it out -
"Moktor!" - -
9:28 - 9:32and you scream "Moktor!"
and you drink it. -
9:32 - 9:35And it's the worst thing
you've ever had in your life. -
9:37 - 9:41And you will remember
the word moktor forever - -
9:41 - 9:42(Laughter)
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9:45 - 9:48where you have already forgotten
the Hungarian word for camera. -
9:48 - 9:49(Laughter)
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9:50 - 9:51Why?
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9:54 - 9:56Memories are fascinating things.
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9:56 - 9:59They're not stored in any particular
location in your brain; -
9:59 - 10:03they're actually stored in the connections
between regions of your brain. -
10:03 - 10:05When you saw that glass,
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10:05 - 10:08you saw the bottle
and it said M O K T O R, -
10:08 - 10:11and the barkeep said, "Moktor,"
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10:11 - 10:13that sound and that spelling,
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10:13 - 10:16they interconnected;
they formed a memory. -
10:17 - 10:19Those connections connected
to other sounds: -
10:19 - 10:22the sound of moktor getting poured
into those shot glasses, -
10:22 - 10:25the sound of everyone chanting
in the room "Moktor! Moktor!" -
10:25 - 10:27All of those sounds and that spelling,
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10:27 - 10:31they interconnected,
and they also connected to images. -
10:32 - 10:34They connected to images
of this green bottle. -
10:34 - 10:35They connected to the shot glasses.
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10:35 - 10:38They connected to this decaying fish.
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10:38 - 10:40They connected
to the face of that barkeep; -
10:40 - 10:44that Viking face,
that is a part of that word now. -
10:45 - 10:48And those, in turn,
connect to sensory experiences, -
10:48 - 10:53like that awful taste in your mouth,
the smell of burning, decaying fish, -
10:53 - 10:56the heat of the fire.
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10:57 - 10:59Those connect to emotional content:
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10:59 - 11:00to disgust,
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11:00 - 11:03to anger at your friend,
to excitement. -
11:03 - 11:05They connect to your journey.
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11:05 - 11:08They connect to what is alcohol,
what is Scandinavia, -
11:08 - 11:11what is friendship, what is adventure.
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11:11 - 11:14All of these things
are now a part of this word, -
11:15 - 11:19and they make it so that that word
is going to stick with you, -
11:21 - 11:25where the Hungarian word for camera,
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11:26 - 11:30well, you don't even remember
what it sounds like. -
11:31 - 11:37This non-memory isn't associated
with iPhone cameras and SLR cameras -
11:37 - 11:38and the sound of a shutter,
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11:38 - 11:42and the feelings you get
when you look at photos from your past. -
11:42 - 11:45No, those associations exist;
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11:45 - 11:48they're connected to another word,
to the word camera. -
11:49 - 11:52But fényképezőgép has
none of that right now. -
11:54 - 11:55And so, you can't hold on to it.
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11:58 - 12:00So what can you do with this?
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12:00 - 12:03Well, let's return
to where I was with French. -
12:04 - 12:06My situation was as follows:
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12:06 - 12:09I was taking two master's degrees,
one in song, one in opera, -
12:09 - 12:11and so I had six days of class a week.
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12:11 - 12:14My only free time
was an hour a day on the subway, -
12:14 - 12:18Sundays, and Austrian national holidays,
of which, thankfully, there were many. -
12:20 - 12:22And during that time, I did one thing:
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12:22 - 12:25I built and reviewed flashcards
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12:25 - 12:28in one of these computerized
spaced repetition systems. -
12:28 - 12:31But instead of using translations
on those flashcards, -
12:31 - 12:33I began with pictures.
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12:33 - 12:36If I wanted to learn
the French word for dog, chien, -
12:36 - 12:39then I would search
on Google Images for chien, -
12:39 - 12:44and I would find that French bloggers
didn't choose the dogs I would expect. -
12:44 - 12:49Their dogs were smaller and cuter
and, somehow, more French. -
12:49 - 12:50(Laughter)
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12:50 - 12:53And so, I used these dogs to learn chien
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12:53 - 12:54and built a vocabulary
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12:54 - 12:57out of these pictures
from French bloggers. -
12:57 - 13:01And as I built that vocabulary,
I graduated over to sentences. -
13:01 - 13:03And I started learning abstract words
and grammar that way, -
13:03 - 13:05using fill-in-the-blank sentences.
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13:05 - 13:08If I wanted to learn a word, like,
went is the past tense of to go, -
13:08 - 13:09I would use a story.
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13:10 - 13:14Yesterday, I blank to school -
with a picture of a schoolhouse. -
13:14 - 13:16And so, I learned
my abstract grammar in that way. -
13:18 - 13:20And then, three months later,
I had that interview. -
13:22 - 13:25And I found myself in this room
with this French person, -
13:26 - 13:28who began our conversation with "Bonjour."
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13:30 - 13:33And then, the first thing
that came to my mind was, -
13:34 - 13:35"Bonjour."
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13:37 - 13:39And she started speaking to me in French,
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13:39 - 13:42and I realized I understood
what she was saying, -
13:43 - 13:45and what's more, I knew what to say back.
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13:45 - 13:47And it wasn't fluent;
it was a bit stunted, -
13:47 - 13:51but this was the first time
I had spoken French in my life, -
13:51 - 13:54and I was speaking in French,
and I was thinking in French, -
13:54 - 13:56and we had a 15-minute conversation,
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13:56 - 13:59and at the end of this conversation,
the teacher tells me, -
13:59 - 14:02"You know, there something wrong
with your placement test. -
14:05 - 14:07It says you should be
in the intermediate level, -
14:08 - 14:11but we're placing you
in the advanced level." -
14:13 - 14:15And so, over the next seven weeks,
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14:15 - 14:18I read 10 books,
I wrote 70 pages of essays, -
14:18 - 14:22and by the end of that summer,
I was fully fluent in French. -
14:22 - 14:26And I realized that I had found
something important. -
14:27 - 14:31And so I started writing about it
and creating computerized tools around it -
14:31 - 14:32and tinkering.
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14:34 - 14:36In 2012, I learned Russian.
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14:36 - 14:38I had my revenge on that language.
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14:38 - 14:41In 2013 through 2015, I learned Hungarian.
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14:41 - 14:44In 2015, I started Japanese,
then stopped, learned Spanish, -
14:44 - 14:47came back, and started Japanese again
because Japanese is endless. -
14:48 - 14:51In each of these experiences,
I learned a lot. -
14:51 - 14:56I learned ways of tweaking the system
to find efficiency boosts here and there, -
14:58 - 15:03but the overall concept
has always remained exactly the same. -
15:04 - 15:08If you want to learn
a language efficiently, -
15:09 - 15:14then you need to give that language life.
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15:15 - 15:19Every word needs to connect
to sounds and images -
15:19 - 15:22and scents and tastes and emotions.
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15:23 - 15:28Every bit of grammar can't be some kind of
abstract grammatical code; -
15:28 - 15:32it needs to be something
that can help you tell your story. -
15:35 - 15:37And if you do this,
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15:37 - 15:42you will find that the words
begin to stick in your mind, -
15:43 - 15:48and the grammar, it begins to stick too.
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15:50 - 15:52And you start to realize
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15:52 - 15:56that you don't need
some kind of language gene, -
15:56 - 15:59some gift from God to accomplish this.
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16:00 - 16:03This is something that everyone
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16:04 - 16:10has both the time and the ability to do.
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16:12 - 16:13Thank you.
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16:13 - 16:14(Applause)
- Title:
- Why we struggle learning languages | Gabriel Wyner | TEDxNewBedford
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The only barrier to learning a language is memory. The process of language learning is the process of forming memories. Nothing more, nothing less. If you understand that and you understand how memories are formed, then you can make progress in a way you've never dreamed possible before. Gabriel Wyner is an author, opera singer and polyglot based in Chicago. After reaching fluency in German in 14 weeks with the help of the immersive Middlebury Language Schools, he fell in love with the process of language learning, going on to spend two months in intensive Italian courses in Perugia, Italy. Searching for ways to bring the immersion experience into the home, he began to develop a system that rapidly builds fluency in short, daily sessions. In 2010, his efforts paid off. He learned French to fluency in 5 months, and then Russian in 10 months.
Born in Los Angeles, he graduated summa cum laude in 2007 from the University of Southern California with dual degrees in Mechanical Engineering and Vocal Arts Performance, and was awarded the Renaissance Scholar’s prize for excellence in unrelated disciplines. He then moved to Vienna to pursue triple Master’s degrees at the Konservatorium Wien in Opera, Lieder and Voice, and graduated with honors in 2011.
Currently learning Japanese, he's learned Hungarian and Spanish over the last few years. His book on language learning – Fluent Forever: How to learn any language fast and never forget it – was published on August 5, 2014 (Harmony/Random House). His most recent project has been the development of a new language learning tool, which became the most successful Kickstarter for an app in history in September of 2017.This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at https://www.ted.com/tedx
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