November 13 2011 Online Seminar - Jacque Fresco & Roxanne Meadows
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0:01 - 0:05One thing regarding to recordings, if you click on the channel name,
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0:05 - 0:09you would get the channel description on the right hand side.
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0:09 - 0:13And there you find information about the procedures for these sunday seminars,
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0:13 - 0:18as well as links to information material and the recordings.
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0:19 - 0:26There were someone asking about how to make the transition into an RBE reality,
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0:26 - 0:35how we are actually going to have or achieve this RBE, and what projects are currently on the go.
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0:35 - 0:44So currently we have several projects within the core teams, one is the marketing and media contacts team,
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0:44 - 0:50these teams are audio contact, larger companies, radio stations, television stations,
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0:50 - 0:59and they also tried to appoint meetings or talks on their respective program,
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0:59 - 1:05either by someone up The Venus Project or Jacque and Roxanne themselves.
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1:07 - 1:15Then we also have the marketings context team working on getting contacts in the film industry,
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1:15 - 1:19in support of the major motion picture The Venus Project is doing.
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1:19 - 1:23And then we have Linguistics Team International,
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1:23 - 1:30and they work not only for Venus Project, but they support us in translating into,
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1:30 - 1:34correct me if i'm wrong, Sue, currently eighty four different languages.
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1:34 - 1:38That's correct, Silas. Well some of the teams are larger than others,
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1:38 - 1:41but we do actually have eighty four languages, yes.
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1:42 - 1:51Right, and so this material that gets translated by the linguistic team gets translated, and it is implemented into the web pages,
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1:51 - 1:57and then by your language settings you either get the english version that is not yet translated,
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1:57 - 2:02but as soon that is translated you will actually be able to read in you own language.
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2:04 - 2:09Yes, once some translated, we spread out as much as we can.
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2:09 - 2:18And we have Youtube channels, and so on and so forth. We are encouraging all the different languages to make that own Youtube channel to put up their final results.
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2:19 - 2:27Right, thank you. And we have the writing team through the preparing the TVP magazine,
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2:27 - 2:32which will be a quarterly issue as an online magazine,
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2:32 - 2:37where you can find reports on latest technology and take a resume which the team is looking into,
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2:37 - 2:46as well as interviews where the several project coordinators, and also information and material around the project.
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2:46 - 2:56And any interviews that have been hosted on the last preparation of the magazine,
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2:56 - 3:09and once the next issue, but it is actually ready to go, which were ending to a currently January release, and then we will do quarterly update.
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3:10 - 3:16Then we have the web development team who is actually extending our current websites,
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3:16 - 3:20and adding additional functionality and information,
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3:20 - 3:28and just recently we had someone from the writing team prepared an official press kit for The Venus Project,
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3:28 - 3:33which can download on the TVP main website, which is thevenusproject.com,
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3:33 - 3:38and there on the right-hand side you will find press kits to download.
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3:38 - 3:44You can freely download them and print them at the mount or taken for your own information,
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3:44 - 3:49and we have just recently started going into the software development,
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3:49 - 4:00and we have currently teams of researchers making preparations to start the real software developments, for currently the Corcen project.
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4:01 - 4:08I was talking about this two weeks ago, if you want to have some details you can listen to the past recording from them.
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4:08 - 4:13Right. The next questions regarding the Thrive Movement.
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4:13 - 4:16I must admit i haven't heard from that yet,
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4:16 - 4:22so i would like you to send their questions as they asked before, two questions at thevenusproject.com.
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4:22 - 4:28And then, i just got another question, how should we approached tv stations or radios.
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4:28 - 4:39That it's basically what the media marketing team is doing, and if you want to have radio stations or tv stations connected, especially within your region,
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4:39 - 4:47which you can do is write their address and contact details, and some information about station in particular,
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4:47 - 4:52and sent them to mediacontacts@thevenusproject.com.
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4:52 - 5:01There's another question, what does Jacque think about distractors from our society, such as competitive sports, video games,
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5:01 - 5:06and how do we change the people who are emerged into that?
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5:06 - 5:12Competition is something that doesn't produce any benefit to society,
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5:12 - 5:18and we have been talking about this in the past a lot, so, give you just a brief overview.
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5:18 - 5:25As this topic was actually brought up two weeks ago, but anyway, how do we approach these people?
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5:25 - 5:32Provide alternatives to them, so, just don't try to force them to stop what they are doing,
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5:32 - 5:36and many of these things that cause competitive behaviour,
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5:36 - 5:41or actually done, because people like alternatives.
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5:41 - 5:49And also they are conditioned in this competitive thinking, and they just don't know it better.
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5:49 - 5:53So it's all coming down to education.
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5:53 - 6:05Okay. Another one. Someone is asking why The Venus Project is collecting money to actually producing a movie, about not using money basically.
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6:05 - 6:13Let me first focus on money thing. We are actually advocating a world where money is not needed.
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6:13 - 6:16That doesn't mean that we fight the monetary system.
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6:16 - 6:24The monetary system is a system we are living in today, so we have to deal with the rules within that system.
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6:24 - 6:32What we are trying to do is, out of the existing system, using the means of this existing system, which is money,
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6:32 - 6:36we try to create a new system that emerges out of it.
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6:36 - 6:47And therefore, we have to live without that boundaries, and actually deal with money, use money to make this idea come true.
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6:47 - 6:52And once, more and more people get educated about RBE and The Venus Project,
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6:52 - 6:56then they will understand there is an alternative,
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6:56 - 7:04and more and more people will actually join in the thinking and acting within the RBE.
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7:04 - 7:09So, over time, the monetary system is just rendered obsolete.
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7:09 - 7:13So once more and more people actually join in,
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7:13 - 7:17their way of life that we have in a resource based economy,
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7:17 - 7:23then they just stopped using money, and so, the money system is obsolete by that time.
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7:24 - 7:30So, in regards to collecting money to make that movie,
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7:30 - 7:37we are not doing, or we are not planning on doing the real small kind of video that we are doing at Youtube,
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7:37 - 7:45we're talking about a major motion picture, which is shown or shall be shown through cinemas in the whole world.
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7:45 - 7:54And the script is basically ready, what we are currently looking into is getting contacts to script writers,
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7:54 - 8:00and some others, and director and the alike,
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8:01 - 8:05and that is what the money is going to be used for.
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8:05 - 8:08So, other, any more questions?
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8:09 - 8:15Somebody in the chat is carrying on, i believe his question was answered, possibly.
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8:15 - 8:20Is this the question is not about collecting money or making movie, it's about testing a hypothesis.
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8:20 - 8:26Yes, i got it. So, just, let me read that.
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8:26 - 8:32so, you're saying the thing that just describes contrary to the principal of The Venus Project,
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8:32 - 8:44so, what about instead focusing on a game model, using freeware programs and volunteers to test our RBE hipothesis first, as with any scientific inquiry?
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8:44 - 8:55We are currently undergoing design for a game that we are planning to have people live within that RBE.
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8:55 - 9:02And, in regards to that open-source, we have talked a lot about this last week,
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9:02 - 9:07so you would like to listen to the last week's recording as well, please.
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9:07 - 9:10But i'm going to get into it a bit.
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9:10 - 9:16Where to have this properly tested within the open-source or freeware domain,
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9:16 - 9:22we would have to give out real blueprints of what we are actually planning to implement,
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9:22 - 9:25and i've been talking about this as i said last week,
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9:25 - 9:32and currently, The Venus Project not willing to giving away these blueprints, or even the ideas or concepts,
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9:32 - 9:40or the social designs, as well as designs for any real products,
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9:40 - 9:45because on one hand, this would obfuscate the idea behind it,
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9:45 - 9:49because if you have people in the open-source community add their value to it,
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9:49 - 9:56this would be most probably due to lack of education about The Venus Project
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9:56 - 10:01leaked through and misleading idea which is not The Venus Project anymore,
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10:01 - 10:05and you can not just extract parts from The Venus Project to be released on their own,
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10:05 - 10:09because what The Venus Project provides is a holistic approach,
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10:09 - 10:19so, a complete solution to today's problems and to replace the current system. That answers your question.
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10:19 - 10:26If not, please rephrase your questions and send to Daniel, i will get into another questions, for the time being and get back to you later then.
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10:26 - 10:32Making other language, i'm not a native english.
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10:32 - 10:39So, another question, is there or would be there be a public record or listing of all the Corcen current developments
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10:39 - 10:46along with the programming languages that they know when the development embalming they have been exposed to?
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10:46 - 10:49Regarding this information, that is personal information,
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10:49 - 10:56if these developers that are currently involved with the developments or the current research,
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10:56 - 11:02or willing to make these items publicly available, it's up to them,
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11:02 - 11:12but for us, since we are not taking their information that is provided to us into public from The Venus Project sites,
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11:12 - 11:17there wont be a publication about this, regarding this.
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11:17 - 11:23There is another question, how can we make institutions like the police and the military
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11:23 - 11:28to educate themselves and The Venus Project or RBE model,
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11:28 - 11:34to make it easier for them to understand alternatives, choices to the current system.
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11:34 - 11:36The thing is, this is my personal opinion now,
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11:36 - 11:44a policeman, or a politician, or soldiers, or whatever, is a human being.
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11:44 - 11:49So, you all are actually aware of The Venus Project.
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11:49 - 11:55You educated yourself around the Venus Project and to try to understand yet behind The Venus Project.
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11:55 - 12:03So, if you approach someone, not anyone in particular, either into services for anywhere else,
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12:03 - 12:07if your approach someone and want to present the ideas of The Venus Project,
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12:07 - 12:13you should do so without forcing them to listen, you just go ahead and present the information.
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12:13 - 12:17So, and if that they are interested, they get onto it,
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12:17 - 12:22otherwise if they reject you, don't threaten them or force them to listen to you,
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12:22 - 12:26just provide them the opportunity to contact you again,
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12:26 - 12:33but go on, don't spend your time trying to change one individual's mind,
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12:33 - 12:38in the time that you could use to talk to ten other people.
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12:38 - 12:50Right, next question saying, is there already software or technical capabilities of counting the distribution of more resources as described in the book?
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12:50 - 12:57What we are currently doing is, as we do a lot of research on certain latest technologies,
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12:57 - 13:00and especially have a team doing this,
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13:00 - 13:05and luckily we have the coordinator of that team present.
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13:05 - 13:09So Craig, maybe if you want to pick up this question?
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13:09 - 13:12Sorry, can you repeat the question, please, Sven?
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13:12 - 13:22Whether is already technology available, or technical capabilities in regards to counting the distribution of resources?
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13:22 - 13:30It's an interesting subject. There are currently resources available, there are projects in place attempting to do this.
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13:30 - 13:33The Venus Project is actually acting as individuals,
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13:33 - 13:42what would be you do in the long term is to collect this information together, hopefully cloud computing will help in the near future.
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13:42 - 13:48Currently i don't think with them yet, but Google as one example,
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13:48 - 13:53Google is currently putting this system information analysis in place,
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13:53 - 13:59on what they think they would be pioneers moving forward, we can only wait and see what they balance.
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13:59 - 14:07Currently people acts as individuals, and that makes it very difficult lacks of access as all that well and information in one place.
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14:07 - 14:12And so that is what will be looking to do over the future is to bring people together
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14:12 - 14:19and to provide a platform, an archive with all that data can be accessed from the same point.
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14:21 - 14:24Well, you are offering a lecture to that maybe.
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14:24 - 14:33Yes, so good. I would say that basic technology for all of this available in broad range,
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14:33 - 14:40so, there are sensors for everything, in every size you would possibly imagine, almost.
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14:40 - 14:46We have the technology, we have fast computers, we have the networks for it, we have the connections so to say,
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14:46 - 14:49what we still need is the correlation of all of these things.
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14:49 - 14:54like i said, for example, Google is working on this since the beginning,
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14:54 - 14:57since the start, because that is what they do, they correlate data.
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14:57 - 15:02And they are, of course, spreading out in every aspect of society and tecnology.
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15:02 - 15:05And the base means for all of these are although already,
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15:05 - 15:14and what we have to do now is to correlate all of this and and get a holistic approach to use the technology right,
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15:14 - 15:17because mostly what we see in today's means,
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15:17 - 15:22like, for example, if you, i don't know, i turn around and see my friends standing here,
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15:22 - 15:28this is not real good technology, this is planned obsolescence so to say, and if we look, take a look at real technology,
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15:28 - 15:34how technology could be used in an optimized way, then we see that this is not mean of as a possible,
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15:34 - 15:39it doesn't mean off when do we begin to implement, so to say, it's this is why all of we i think.
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15:40 - 15:47Right, thank you. And basically correlation is actually a buzzword that i want to pick up now,
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15:47 - 15:51this is basically the Corcen project, taking all the technology that is available,
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15:51 - 15:57and bring them together, so of course that stands for is correlation center,
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15:57 - 16:04and this is meant to be the computing core within a worldwide network,
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16:04 - 16:13including everything that is available regards to resources, measured by sensors, production capabilities,
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16:13 - 16:22everything that is going on within a city, from waste disposal recycling, back to food production and the alike.
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16:22 - 16:27So this is all going to be treated and realized using the status of our technology,
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16:27 - 16:33and all brought together within that Corcen project.
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16:33 - 16:43Next question is, would The Venus Project's resource based economy simulation make using CryEngine3, include physics simulation,
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16:43 - 16:51of included structures also with the use of the able to change parameters of structures that are testing?
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16:51 - 16:55He is referring to rich folding gaming sample.
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16:55 - 16:59What we are trying to achieve was this simulation we are currently planning
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16:59 - 17:05is one of the minor steps of the Corcen project together with the 3d architecture design teams
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17:05 - 17:12is to make simulation about what it would be to live within a RBE city.
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17:12 - 17:18That will take the most prominent example of one of Jacque's designs which is the circular serie scheme,
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17:18 - 17:24and all city will be designed in a 3d architectural way using CAD,
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17:24 - 17:30and then make simulation that runs on the CryEngine,
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17:30 - 17:37and this CryEngine will then open up to the artificial intelligence system developed by the Corcen teams,
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17:37 - 17:48and out of this we created a simulation that is truly interactive if there is physics within that simulation.
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17:48 - 17:55That has to be determined, so that is subject to evaluation on future.
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17:55 - 18:02But what you would be able to is, you can freely move within that city, you can interact with all appliances throughout the city,
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18:02 - 18:08you can get a reading on all the measurements like energy consumption, and how many people,
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18:08 - 18:13or scenarios where you can, and the amount of people live in that city,
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18:13 - 18:21and have the audios reflect accordingly of that is would have impact on consumption and production.
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18:23 - 18:30So, another question is, when this individual went to Venus, he heard Jacque and Roxanne talking about a country,
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18:30 - 18:36that it was about to start through the city win. Please ask him whether that's on the way now.
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18:36 - 18:44So currently, we're still waiting for someone to offer a place where would a book that first test city.
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18:44 - 18:50And i don't know any details about what they actually told this individual asking the question here,
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18:50 - 18:55so i'd rather not go into that because i was not a witness to that discussion,
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18:55 - 19:01so please postpone this questions or next week when hopefully Jacque and Roxanne
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19:01 - 19:04as so as any technical issues and or back with us.
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19:06 - 19:10So, there is an update on the CryEngine having a high demand of resources,
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19:10 - 19:17so why not use something that is more friendly to our average computer?
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19:17 - 19:25And the CryEngine is... what the decision for CryEngine has been made, about how did your goal?
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19:25 - 19:30So, by the time, we have gaps to the point where we have to decide on a game engine,
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19:30 - 19:34or some other rendering engine to run this simulation,
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19:34 - 19:38we might revise that decision for CryEngine,
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19:38 - 19:45and take the latest status available by the time we get to actually do that release or the simulation.
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19:45 - 19:49Okay, here is a question regarding the global village construction set,
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19:49 - 19:56and that individual is saying in a way they do something similar to The Venus Project,
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19:56 - 20:01and in terms of developing machinery to build new cities from scratch,
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20:01 - 20:07so what is the potential partnership here, or The Venus Project has little relationship?
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20:07 - 20:16So, i know that technical research team is in close contact with the providers of this technology,
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20:16 - 20:23and Craig, you just pointed out to be less toward your last week that were actually in contact with their director,
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20:23 - 20:27and maybe you could give a brief update on that?
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20:27 - 20:34Yes, i'm not in contact directly with Martin, i mean, the contact with the european director, Nikolai Georgia.
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20:34 - 20:41Those european directors are in direct communication with Martin, and it goes over the states.
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20:41 - 20:46They're attempting to start a project of, which is Europe based,
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20:46 - 20:51that would be a partner project that Martin in doing in the States.
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20:51 - 21:00But i would suggest that they are not, in fact, providing any tools for city construction.
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21:00 - 21:05They are at state in providing tools for village construction,
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21:05 - 21:11and there is a significant difference in the type of technology used.
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21:11 - 21:23Let me give you an example: an earth brick press would not be sufficient for our construction needs in building a large-scale city.
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21:23 - 21:26So, up discussing these things in detailed,
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21:26 - 21:30we were agreed that in regard to the technologies that we would use,
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21:30 - 21:41the tools that would be sufficient for constructing the village construction set or the TVP city, there are significant differences.
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21:41 - 21:50That's said, we also have a number of things in common, so i would like this to remain mutually supportive,
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21:50 - 21:56but i would like an acknowledgement that there are significant differences.
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21:56 - 22:03Right, thank you. So, i don't have any more questions at the moment.
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22:04 - 22:07And if you feel that i didn't answer your questions properly,
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22:07 - 22:12please ask again, revising your question again, bear in mind that i'm not native,
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22:12 - 22:15so you might change the wording a bit.
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22:16 - 22:23So, here is a question regarding holding the first city of scrap material, for example, clay,
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22:23 - 22:29this will save a lot of money, and can be built without large financial investments.
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22:29 - 22:36So i don't know whether you are i'd rather look at the design of The Venus Project is proposing,
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22:36 - 22:44what i can, what i see in place, specially useful for, maybe to attain the way leading to the foundation,
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22:44 - 22:47but you can't have a look at these buildings, especially the smaller ones,
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22:47 - 22:51they are planned to be made of concrete,
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22:51 - 22:59and i don't know enough about construction work or about architecture,
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22:59 - 23:04to actually make you could call them played being used instead of concrete.
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23:04 - 23:10So i rather think it's not possible to build these structures with clay,
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23:10 - 23:19and also on the other hand, there is a special idea behind the way these materials are actually mixed,
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23:19 - 23:26so we are planning to have the surface of the building used for heat regulation,
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23:26 - 23:32as well as energy production, or heat production,
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23:32 - 23:36and therefore clay, in my understanding, is not suitable.
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23:36 - 23:40A thing i would like to add in this, referring to what Jacque said,
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23:40 - 23:42and yes, this is what i would like to just forward,
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23:42 - 23:46and the way i were saying that, and so please, ask him again it you want to...
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23:46 - 23:52but i understand that this would be mostly using black composite materials,
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23:52 - 23:57well, maybe also taken the involved because of a certain attributes that it would could benefit from,
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23:57 - 24:00but most things will be like what Sven said,
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24:00 - 24:08would just like to use some of these material directly for these heat absorption and so on, and energy production,
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24:08 - 24:16so we need composite materials, so we don't have to add up another additional black solar collector onto the roof off of the building, for example,
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24:16 - 24:20should be all the sides, one layer so to say,
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24:20 - 24:27or at least in the package that can be put onto a building without further efforts and materials and so on.
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24:27 - 24:33And yes, this is why in most cases there will be, i think, composite materials to have certain attributes
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24:33 - 24:39combined by the materials that are involved in them and the composite.
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24:39 - 24:47There is a good talk video on an youtube channel which is called The Venus Project cities
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24:47 - 24:51and there high level of the design of the cities is explained,
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24:51 - 24:58and also those short description on the materials used. Go ahed Craig, please.
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24:58 - 25:05Thanks, Sven. Okay, let's arrive into a mutual understanding, so we will get this,
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25:05 - 25:13The Venus Project does propose, in a long term, the recycle all materials that we are able to do so with,
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25:13 - 25:17and that is planet wide, that would be management of the earth's resources,
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25:17 - 25:22so yes, we would propose the use of recycled materials.
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25:22 - 25:26But i'll refer back again with a global village construction set,
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25:26 - 25:31it is possible to go through waste them, and pick up some scrap metals,
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25:31 - 25:37and put together attract that there is sufficient for a self-sustaining village.
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25:37 - 25:46Is not possible to gather those reciclable materials from a local dome, but building a complex city design.
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25:46 - 25:51So what we would be very, very interested in,
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25:51 - 25:59are technologies that could recycle materials on a large scale,
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25:59 - 26:04that interesting technologies that allow to be released
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26:04 - 26:12proposals from recycling all of the plastic that sits in the ocean
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26:12 - 26:17and reconverting that plastic into usable oil.
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26:17 - 26:25Now, this type of technology would be very beneficial, not only to The Venus Project's design,
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26:25 - 26:30but to the global management of all our finite resources.
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26:30 - 26:39So i would urge if any of you come across these types of recycling technologies,
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26:39 - 26:47please e-mail those e-mails to tech.research@thevenusproject.com
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26:47 - 26:57and we would certainly consider using any recycling technologies that we have available to us.
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26:57 - 27:00Right, thank you, Craig. Just a small addiction to that,
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27:00 - 27:07in the long run, what The Venus Project is basically advertising is to abandon the current cities,
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27:07 - 27:13and then take those cities down and reuse that materials well,
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27:13 - 27:21and maybe would be one, two, three cities each country in place to act like a museum,
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27:21 - 27:25basically until it rest down to use those resources as well,
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27:25 - 27:28because that also fits into the scheme of recycling.
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27:29 - 27:32But let me get back to next questioner
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27:32 - 27:37that someone is asked him why we don't use Kickstarter to get the funding for the movie.
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27:37 - 27:40I must admit i don't know what Kickstarter is,
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27:40 - 27:45so, either provide some background information by sending a question of them to Daniel,
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27:45 - 27:48including that information and then i might get back to it,
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27:48 - 27:53and forward that question to questions@thevenusproject.com,
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27:53 - 27:58so we can do another research in preparation for the question.
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27:58 - 28:03Yes, that's right, Sven, it's not the first recommendation that i think the Kickstarter.
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28:03 - 28:07Right, anyway, just forward that question, please.
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28:07 - 28:13Getting to the next one, the RBE simulation would about one city, ignoring other cities,
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28:13 - 28:17in that they provide what evidence in the city demands,
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28:17 - 28:21you must understand that we're talking about a simulation,
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28:21 - 28:25so everything that is out of the scope of one city,
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28:25 - 28:29it's also simulated as it did work there,
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28:29 - 28:32so, we simulate the connection to Corcen,
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28:32 - 28:38we simulate the connection to all the construction sites that are not within the cities,
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28:38 - 28:48we are also simulating the connections to resources that are not available to that city, but have to be delivered to that city.
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28:48 - 28:55So we take care of that as well and the simulation, and definitely the Corcen project.
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28:55 - 28:59Okay, getting back to the scheme engine question is another one,
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28:59 - 29:05it is not simple to switch a game engine, and which includes reprogramming,
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29:05 - 29:13yes i do agree, and first of all, we are going to do that 3d design apart from that engine,
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29:13 - 29:22and by the time we would have to pick an engine, then we will take the latest and best suitable available,
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29:22 - 29:28and by that time, we will actually start the coding, not before.
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29:28 - 29:34So, the whole 3D is done in CAD, and once that it's done,
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29:34 - 29:40we go ahead and implemented into the game engine to be determined.
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29:41 - 29:48And the next question is, it what it is a platform of current developments to speak an reach between each other
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29:48 - 29:53and i don't know when you see the large list of developers,
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29:53 - 29:56you most probably you are prone to all the technical database.
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29:56 - 30:03Let me ask for the first question, we use common means of communication that is used on the internet, we have Skype, we use the TeamSpeak server,
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30:03 - 30:13we use e-mails, we use mailing groups, we use other collaboration tools that are pretty available, and nothing special about this.
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30:14 - 30:19And in regards to the other question of list of developers, we do have a technical data base
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30:19 - 30:24where you can actually sign in if you want to support The Venus Project,
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30:24 - 30:28we just occur if you want to join the design teams projects,
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30:28 - 30:31you can actually enter your details there,
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30:31 - 30:37and as soon as we either have within a ongoing project,
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30:37 - 30:41or in new projects to be created need for specialist from a certain area,
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30:41 - 30:48we go against this database and create a reform several positions that are used on that team,
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30:48 - 30:54and then you go forward and contact these people that have joined this database.
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30:55 - 31:04So, another one, how is this society living in a resource based economy manage certain situation of non-abundance,
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31:04 - 31:11when we would have to make choices between crucial things for the human needs? what would we do?
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31:11 - 31:17Let me liberate a bit forward about this. I have being talking about the monetary system rendering its up obsolete.
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31:17 - 31:26So what does it causes is a lot of professions that are directly related to the monetary system will also become obsolete.
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31:26 - 31:30These people will have to have something new that they can focus on.
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31:30 - 31:35And since also science is not the anymore dependent on their money,
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31:35 - 31:45and the patent system would therefore also breaking down, scientists not limited anymore about the impact of anymore by that time.
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31:45 - 31:52So we were actually experience an imense boost in scientific output,
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31:52 - 31:57and if you've come across something that is scarce,
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31:57 - 32:04then you said scientists into it, or they were most probably jump onto it willingly on their own,
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32:04 - 32:14they would discover something to replace what is missing, or something that is about to become scarce.
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32:14 - 32:18Is also pointing out NZP project?
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32:18 - 32:22I haven't heard from that so forth, i'll look into it later on,
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32:22 - 32:27but you could also patrol support back to the questions that The Venus Project that can be known, please,
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32:27 - 32:32so we can spend a bit more research on that and get back to it until next seminars.
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32:34 - 32:36Getting to the next one.
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32:37 - 32:44So it's clear that most of the problems in history have to pass by money, politics, patriotism and religion,
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32:44 - 32:50but for most of the people would be impossible to live in a society without them.
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32:50 - 32:55Do you think this would be a good approach to introduce The Venus Project to people?
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32:55 - 33:01I hope i get to question right, you're talking about the problems of today's systems,
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33:01 - 33:09as well as basically or whole history that actually left to the problems we have today,
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33:09 - 33:19and introducing The Venus Project is like you provide an alternative to the pursuits of the current system,
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33:19 - 33:28so what you do is to sort introducing people to it, presenting, spread the ideas throught the world, and make people aware of it.
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33:28 - 33:35There's one thing that is quite obvious. The current system is not be able to hold on much longer.
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33:35 - 33:42What we will actually experienced during the coming years is the collapse of the monetary system.
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33:42 - 33:48What we are actually trying is to be ready for that collapse,
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33:48 - 33:58so by the time this monetary system collapses we have spread the idea of resource based economy widely enough to have people aware of it,
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33:58 - 34:04so when they start over, they don't do the same mistakes again.
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34:04 - 34:13So, by the time the monetary system collapses, we want to be there and camera corn saying we got something prepared to solve your problems.
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34:13 - 34:20So therefore, we have to educate ourselves, educate the people around us talk to as many people as you can,
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34:20 - 34:29make the more appropriate idea of the resource based economy, point them into The Venus Project, and try to spread the work, that's it.
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34:30 - 34:34And hopefully that answers your question, if not they said so.
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34:34 - 34:39Here is another question how The Venus Project tests it's own hipothesis.
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34:39 - 34:45Within the project we advocate the use of scientific means and methods.
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34:45 - 34:53And this is also something we invite to the problems we are about to solve or trying to solve.
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34:53 - 35:01And, i'm not responding to questions, sorry, or interest sort this out...
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35:02 - 35:10Okay. We are not claiming to be the ultimate solution or the one only system that is there to be.
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35:10 - 35:14The only thing we say about The Venus Project is,
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35:14 - 35:20it is like while others might person, i guess, it's like 100% better than the work we currently have.
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35:20 - 35:26Later on, people will fall in develop the concept of The Venus Project.
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35:26 - 35:33It is not the same of the ultimate solution, it is the best we can think of now.
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35:35 - 35:40So, there is another question about regarding the vegan food or raw food diet.
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35:40 - 35:43That has been talked about up in the past.
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35:43 - 35:50The Venus Project is not telling you what to eat, or how to behave, or everything and the alike.
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35:50 - 35:53So, basically the choice of what you're going to eat
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35:53 - 35:57is based on your background or in your personal choice in the level of your education.
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35:57 - 36:04If you understand that imagine based nutrition and diet is that's it for you, you go with that,
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36:04 - 36:09if you make the choice of sticking with meat , that's also your choice.
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36:09 - 36:15And there is been on one of Jacque's talks on the interviews,
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36:15 - 36:19he was actually proposing scientific approach to that,
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36:19 - 36:28maybe in the future we will be able to do gene developments that we can actually beef tissue,
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36:28 - 36:33and then, if you grow or stake your without having to slaughter any cattle.
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36:33 - 36:37But basically, The Venus Project is not telling you what to eat.
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36:37 - 36:41That is still going back to your own decision.
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36:41 - 36:46I would like to get clear of what you said, by saying gene development,
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36:46 - 36:50i think you don't mean gene experiments like DNA altering and so on,
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36:50 - 36:53without a long term we study before this,
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36:53 - 36:58and really deep considerations about anything that has to do with it,
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36:58 - 37:04i think what you were referring to is the nanotechnology to build up molecular structures
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37:04 - 37:11that then look like behave and unlike beef tissue for example, is that correct?
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37:12 - 37:15Right, Daniel. Thank you.
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37:15 - 37:19Okay, thanks. And one thing, i want to add on this.
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37:19 - 37:24i think we can just start the development of real research about these topics,
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37:24 - 37:31when we have arrived at some point of the civilization that we are wanting to achieve.
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37:31 - 37:39Because what we are dealing with there is then, also significant decrease often stress levels and so on.
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37:39 - 37:45So, this is a big impact of human have altogether, i think, at least for my opinion, of all i understand it,
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37:45 - 37:51and i think we can begin, then, to take into account the real causes for what we want to research,
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37:51 - 37:56what we want to change, and how we should behave, so to say.
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37:56 - 38:02And all of these things, they would be correlated, then, again, in another totally, another environment.
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38:02 - 38:05So, we have to look at these things
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38:05 - 38:10when we look at them in today’s measures, and also in today's environment, it is important, i think.
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38:12 - 38:16Right, master understand that education will change
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38:16 - 38:28therefore the level of understanding by the regular individual, without scientific backround, compared to today's backgrounds,
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38:28 - 38:35would be much higher, so the overall general education will not be comparable to today's,
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38:35 - 38:42because you raise your kids in another way compared to today.
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38:42 - 38:48Just that beside note day many people pick their job by a the rates of income,
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38:48 - 38:53they don't pick their job because they like it, overheat saw them to do that.
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38:53 - 39:00Basically, the ultimate reason to choose a job or profession is, can i make a living up to it.
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39:00 - 39:09In the future, you don’t have to think that way, you can go and study as much and whatever topic your like.
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39:09 - 39:12So, let me get back to this question here.
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39:12 - 39:17I was at The Venus Project addressing topics like, for example, permaculture.
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39:17 - 39:22Someone just said to me that there are two groups, one was The Venus Project design teams,
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39:22 - 39:27that deal with design and technical objects and technologies to use right,
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39:27 - 39:35and the other is to take a research team which searches for automated available technology providing bet to design teams.
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39:35 - 39:38So, let me get back to the technical database.
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39:38 - 39:47This technical data bases not only there to provide access to members that are going to, going to be on the teams doing directly development,
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39:47 - 39:52but we also have people would have an agricultural background, we have behavioral scientists,
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39:52 - 39:58basically we have everything that covers science available in that database.
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39:58 - 40:05So if we arrive at that problem, that's let's say involves hydroponics our opponents order like,
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40:05 - 40:10in regard certainly culture we can go against this database,
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40:10 - 40:19and identify individuals that have come from that background to be experts on that field, in support of the team doing to development.
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40:20 - 40:28So, next question, i would like to know all of this technology that have being used on TVP actually being published
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40:28 - 40:34so everyone can access to let them can also test in try that and their own country and personal lives.
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40:34 - 40:44So what we are providing us as the outcome of productivity design teams proofing is we will have to write about stimulation,
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40:44 - 40:53and this simulation will give you an inside stand identified that early on and to also going to be able to download at,
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40:53 - 41:01we have not get decided on the needs of publishing, but it will be freely available.
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41:01 - 41:13And the Corcen project itself, or other design projects will be freely available by that time they are actually completed.
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41:15 - 41:23Someone is asking what if the Corcen project could be a (?) or rpg, which is massively multiplayer online role-playing game.
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41:23 - 41:30You are mixing ideas. One thing is we are planning on developing the computer game.
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41:30 - 41:39And that is a game within the Resource Based Economy. And we will make that also freeely available.
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41:39 - 41:43And what it is going to be is not yet decided.
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41:43 - 41:53Most probably will not be an RPG, because these are, if it comes down to cost, they are comparable to a major motion picture,
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41:53 - 41:58and it is just not viable in regards to the game design.
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41:58 - 42:03We currently (?) into browser-based games and the alike,
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42:03 - 42:07but the decision of what kind of game it is going to be is not yet made.
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42:10 - 42:17And next question. Could Corcen project, when fully developed, give a better perspective to how RBE could work?
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42:17 - 42:22So again, and referring back to the simulation, this is what we are trying to do,
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42:22 - 42:28is to make people aware of how we all are expecting a future, or our design for the future.
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42:28 - 42:38And if so, would TVP support academics to look pure review and it needed, could the Corcen project implementation of RBE?
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42:38 - 42:44Again, we take our resources out of the volunteers that are signing up into the database.
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42:44 - 42:49And we support everyone who is willing to support us.
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42:49 - 42:54And, if someone in the database subjections against our design,
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42:54 - 43:01they are free to, actually join in on the database and competence directly to work on the project as well.
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43:01 - 43:06And, if you feel you can contribute to the project,
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43:06 - 43:12you can go and sign up to the technical database which you can find on the our main website,
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43:12 - 43:18and then you can actually try to get involved into the real development.
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43:19 - 43:26So, next question. I would actually i have you order to e-mail addressed to you.
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43:26 - 43:30He is asking about if our test data is for the TVP hypothesis.
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43:30 - 43:34And i don't know what test are you talking about.
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43:38 - 43:48Just picking that one question from the main chat. Yes i have been saying we provide a solution. And we are not (?) with that solution.
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43:48 - 43:53Because we are only aware of our system we are living at the moment.
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43:53 - 43:58And as an alternative we provided the idea of The Venus Project.
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43:58 - 44:04So, if we actually get to The Venus Project ideals, which is a resource based economy,
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44:04 - 44:09this can be later on developed into another direction completely,
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44:09 - 44:18because maybe following generations come to the conclusion or arrived at the decision that another approach needs to be implemented.
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44:18 - 44:25We cannot make that plain today, because that is based on future developments.
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44:25 - 44:33So, we are not aware of this development at this point in time, so this is a decision for generations to come.
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44:34 - 44:39So if there are not any more questions, let's get to an end.
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44:39 - 44:44If you feel you have a really urgent question and open up the room,
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44:44 - 44:47but i have the following will follow up meeting this as well,
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44:47 - 44:56so, i'm here to take like another one or two questions, so the (?) or speech now.
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44:59 - 45:04If i may, i would like to just get a quick plug into the linguistic team.
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45:04 - 45:08Anybody wishing to help within the linguistic team, that would be so nice.
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45:08 - 45:14And please get in touch with linguisticteam@thevenusproject.com .
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45:14 - 45:20We need people, not just those that speaks languages, but also need people who only speak English,
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45:20 - 45:24because we need help to make the English transcriptions for us.
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45:24 - 45:28So, yes, the dog is a very (?) dog.
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45:28 - 45:34So, if anyone would like to, today would be all right, we would ask them address down for you.
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45:34 - 45:40Right. Thank you, Sue. So, any more questions?
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45:41 - 45:46Let’s Sue, just photo post in the matter of the linguistic teams.
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45:46 - 45:53So, you can contact her or Ray using that address, which is right, you share just like that, right?
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45:53 - 46:01Yes, everything needed, they answered as you go. And when i receive your e-mail, it will send to the corresponding coordinated whichever language,
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46:01 - 46:08or the English coordinator, in the case that you would have a transcriptions. Everybody welcome.
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46:09 - 46:16Right, Sue. If there are not any more questions that are urgent, i would ask that you come to next week seminar,
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46:16 - 46:26and during the week, send your questions to question@thevenusproject.com , specially regarding questions that they are research on our side.
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46:26 - 46:30So we can actually prepare to answer these questions.
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46:30 - 46:38Thank you for attending this meeting, and i hope we can still hear you next week again.
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46:38 - 46:43Thank you very much, Sven. Very pleasure to listen to you.
- Title:
- November 13 2011 Online Seminar - Jacque Fresco & Roxanne Meadows
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November 13 2011 Online Seminar
Jacque Fresco & Roxanne Meadows
http://thevenusproject.minus.com/mNovember13
http://www.thevenusproject.comThe main purpose of this audio were uploaded here were for helping the translation teams with transcriptions and translations, and helping The Venus Project on making them more easily available.
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Paulo Silva edited English subtitles for November 13 2011 Online Seminar - Jacque Fresco & Roxanne Meadows | ||
Paulo Silva edited English subtitles for November 13 2011 Online Seminar - Jacque Fresco & Roxanne Meadows | ||
Paulo Silva edited English subtitles for November 13 2011 Online Seminar - Jacque Fresco & Roxanne Meadows | ||
Paulo Silva edited English subtitles for November 13 2011 Online Seminar - Jacque Fresco & Roxanne Meadows | ||
Paulo Silva edited English subtitles for November 13 2011 Online Seminar - Jacque Fresco & Roxanne Meadows | ||
Paulo Silva edited English subtitles for November 13 2011 Online Seminar - Jacque Fresco & Roxanne Meadows | ||
Paulo Silva edited English subtitles for November 13 2011 Online Seminar - Jacque Fresco & Roxanne Meadows |