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Does money make you mean? | Paul K. Piff | TEDxMarin

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    It's really an honor
    to be at such a distinguished gathering
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    and to have the opportunity
    to talk to you about some of my research.
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    I want you to, for a moment,
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    think about playing a game of Monopoly.
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    Except in this game,
    that combination of skill, talent and luck
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    that helped earn you success
    in games, as in life,
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    has been rendered irrelevant,
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    because this game's been rigged,
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    and you've got the upper hand.
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    You've got more money,
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    more opportunities to move
    around the board,
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    and more access to resources.
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    And as you think about that experience,
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    I want you to ask yourself:
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    How might that experience of being
    a privileged player in a rigged game
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    change the way you think about yourself
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    and regard that other player?
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    So, we ran a study
    on the UC Berkeley campus
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    to look at exactly that question.
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    We brought in more than 100 pairs
    of strangers into the lab,
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    and with the flip of a coin,
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    randomly assigned one of the two
    to be a rich player in a rigged game.
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    They got two times as much money;
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    when they passed Go,
    they collected twice the salary;
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    and they got to roll
    both dice instead of one,
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    so they got to move
    around the board a lot more.
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    (Laughter)
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    And over the course of 15 minutes,
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    we watched through
    hidden cameras what happened.
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    What I want to do today,
    for the first time,
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    is show you a little bit of what we saw.
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    You'll to have to pardon
    the sound quality,
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    because again, these were hidden cameras.
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    So we've provided subtitles.
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    [Video] Rich Player: How many
    500s did you have?
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    Poor Player: Just one.
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    RP: Are you serious?
    PP: Yeah.
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    RP: I have three. (Laughs)
    I don't know why they gave me so much.
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    Paul Piff: So it was quickly apparent
    to players that something was up.
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    One person clearly has
    a lot more money than the other person,
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    and yet, as the game unfolded,
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    we saw very notable differences,
    dramatic differences begin to emerge
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    between the two players.
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    The rich player started to move
    around the board louder,
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    literally smacking the board
    with the piece as he went around.
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    (Game piece smacks board)
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    We were more likely
    to see signs of dominance
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    and nonverbal signs, displays of power
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    and celebration among the rich players.
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    We had a bowl of pretzels
    positioned off to the side.
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    It's on the bottom right corner.
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    That allowed us to watch
    participants' consummatory behavior.
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    So we're just tracking
    how many pretzels participants eat.
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    [Video] RP: Are those pretzels a trick?
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    PP: I don't know.
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    Paul Piff: OK, so no surprises,
    people are on to us.
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    They wonder what that bowl of pretzels
    is doing there in the first place.
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    One even asks, like you just saw,
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    "Is that bowl of pretzels
    there as a trick?"
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    And yet, despite that,
    the power of the situation
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    seems to inevitably dominate,
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    and those rich players
    start to eat more pretzels.
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    (Laughter)
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    [Video] RP: I love pretzels.
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    (Laughter)
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    Paul Piff: And as the game went on,
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    one of the really interesting
    and dramatic patterns
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    that we observed begin to emerge
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    was that the rich players
    actually started to become ruder
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    toward the other person --
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    less and less sensitive to the plight
    of those poor, poor players,
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    and more and more demonstrative
    of their material success,
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    more likely to showcase
    how well they're doing.
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    [Video] RP: I have money ...
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    (Laughs) I have money for everything.
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    PP: How much is that?
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    RP: You owe me 24 dollars.
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    You're going to lose all your money soon.
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    I'll buy it. I have so much money.
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    I have so much money, it takes me forever.
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    RP 2: I'm going
    to buy out this whole board.
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    RP 3: You're going
    to run out of money soon.
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    I'm pretty much untouchable at this point.
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    (Laughter)
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    Paul Piff: And here's what I think
    was really, really interesting:
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    it's that, at the end of the 15 minutes,
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    we asked the players to talk
    about their experience during the game.
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    And when the rich players talked
    about why they had inevitably won
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    in this rigged game of Monopoly ...
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    (Laughter)
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    They talked about what they'd done
    to buy those different properties
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    and earn their success in the game.
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    (Laughter)
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    And they became far less attuned
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    to all those different
    features of the situation --
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    including that flip of a coin --
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    that had randomly gotten them
    into that privileged position
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    in the first place.
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    And that's a really,
    really incredible insight
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    into how the mind
    makes sense of advantage.
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    Now, this game of Monopoly can be used
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    as a metaphor for understanding society
    and its hierarchical structure,
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    wherein some people
    have a lot of wealth and a lot of status,
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    and a lot of people don't;
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    they have a lot less wealth
    and a lot less status
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    and a lot less access to valued resources.
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    And what my colleagues and I
    for the last seven years have been doing
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    is studying the effects
    of these kinds of hierarchies.
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    What we've been finding
    across dozens of studies
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    and thousands of participants
    across this country
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    is that as a person's levels
    of wealth increase,
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    their feelings of compassion
    and empathy go down,
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    and their feelings of entitlement,
    of deservingness,
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    and their ideology
    of self-interest increase.
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    In surveys, we've found
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    that it's actually wealthier individuals
    who are more likely to moralize
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    greed being good,
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    and that the pursuit of self-interest
    is favorable and moral.
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    Now, what I want to do today
    is talk about some of the implications
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    of this ideology self-interest,
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    talk about why we should
    care about those implications,
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    and end with what might be done.
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    Some of the first studies
    that we ran in this area
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    looked at helping behavior,
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    something social psychologists
    call "pro-social behavior."
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    And we were really interested
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    in who's more likely
    to offer help to another person:
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    someone who's rich or someone who's poor.
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    In one of the studies,
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    we bring rich and poor members
    of the community into the lab,
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    and give each of them
    the equivalent of 10 dollars.
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    We told the participants they could keep
    these 10 dollars for themselves,
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    or they could share
    a portion of it, if they wanted to,
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    with a stranger, who's totally anonymous.
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    They'll never meet that stranger;
    the stranger will never meet them.
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    And we just monitor how much people give.
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    Individuals who made 25,000,
    sometimes under 15,000 dollars a year,
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    gave 44 percent more
    of their money to the stranger
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    than did individuals making
    150,000, 200,000 dollars a year.
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    We've had people play games
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    to see who's more or less likely to cheat
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    to increase their chances
    of winning a prize.
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    In one of the games,
    we actually rigged a computer
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    so that die rolls over a certain score
    were impossible --
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    You couldn't get above 12
    in this game, and yet ...
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    the richer you were, the more likely
    you were to cheat in this game
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    to earn credits toward a $50 cash prize --
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    sometimes by three to four times as much.
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    We ran another study
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    where we looked at whether people
    would be inclined to take candy
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    from a jar of candy
    that we explicitly identified
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    as being reserved for children --
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    (Laughter)
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    Participating -
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    I'm not kidding -- I know it sounds
    like I'm making a joke.
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    We explicitly told participants:
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    "This candy is for children participating
    in a developmental lab nearby.
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    They're in studies. This is for them."
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    And we just monitored
    how much candy participants took.
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    Participants who felt rich
    took two times as much candy
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    as participants who felt poor.
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    We've even studied cars.
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    Not just any cars,
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    but whether drivers
    of different kinds of cars
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    are more or less inclined
    to break the law.
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    In one of these studies,
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    we looked at whether drivers
    would stop for a pedestrian
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    that we had posed waiting
    to cross at a crosswalk.
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    Now in California, as you all know,
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    because I'm sure we all do this,
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    it's the law to stop for a pedestrian
    who's waiting to cross.
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    So here's an example of how we did it.
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    That's our confederate off to the left,
    posing as a pedestrian.
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    He approaches as the red truck
    successfully stops.
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    In typical California fashion,
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    it's overtaken by the bus
    who almost runs our pedestrian over.
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    (Laughter)
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    Now here's an example
    of a more expensive car,
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    a Prius, driving through,
    and a BMW doing the same.
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    So we did this for hundreds of vehicles
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    on several days,
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    just tracking who stops and who doesn't.
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    What we found was as the expensiveness
    of a car increased ...
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    (Laughter)
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    the drivers' tendencies
    to break the law increased as well.
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    None of the cars -- none of the cars --
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    in our least expensive car category
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    broke the law.
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    Close to 50 percent of the cars
    in our most expensive vehicle category
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    broke the law.
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    We've run other studies,
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    finding that wealthier individuals
    are more likely to lie in negotiations,
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    to endorse unethical behavior at work,
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    like stealing cash from the cash register,
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    taking bribes, lying to customers.
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    Now, I don't mean to suggest
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    that it's only wealthy people
    who show these patterns of behavior.
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    Not at all -- in fact,
    I think that we all,
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    in our day-to-day, minute-by-minute lives,
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    struggle with these competing motivations
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    of when or if to put our own interests
    above the interests of other people.
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    And that's understandable,
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    because the American dream is an idea
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    in which we all have an equal opportunity
    to succeed and prosper,
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    as long as we apply
    ourselves and work hard.
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    And a piece of that means that sometimes,
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    you need to put your own interests
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    above the interests and well-being
    of other people around you.
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    But what we're finding
    is that the wealthier you are,
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    the more likely you are to pursue
    a vision of personal success,
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    of achievement and accomplishment,
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    to the detriment of others around you.
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    Here I've plotted for you
    the mean household income
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    received by each fifth
    and top five percent of the population
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    over the last 20 years.
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    In 1993,
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    the differences between the different
    quintiles of the population,
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    in terms of income,
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    are fairly egregious.
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    It's not difficult to discern
    that there are differences.
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    But over the last 20 years,
    that significant difference
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    has become a Grand Canyon of sorts
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    between those at the top
    and everyone else.
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    In fact, the top 20 percent
    of our population
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    own close to 90 percent
    of the total wealth in this country.
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    We're at unprecedented levels
    of economic inequality.
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    What that means is that wealth is not only
    becoming increasingly concentrated
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    in the hands of a select group
    of individuals,
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    but the American dream
    is becoming increasingly unattainable
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    for an increasing majority of us.
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    And if it's the case,
    as we've been finding,
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    that the wealthier you are,
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    the more entitled you feel to that wealth,
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    and the more likely you are
    to prioritize your own interests
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    above the interests of other people,
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    and be willing to do things
    to serve that self-interest,
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    well, then, there's no reason to think
    that those patterns will change.
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    In fact, there's every reason
    to think that they'll only get worse,
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    and that's what it would look like
    if things just stayed the same,
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    at the same linear rate,
    over the next 20 years.
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    Now inequality -- economic inequality --
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    is something we should
    all be concerned about,
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    and not just because of those
    at the bottom of the social hierarchy,
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    but because individuals and groups
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    with lots of economic
    inequality do worse ...
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    not just the people
    at the bottom, everyone.
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    There's a lot of really
    compelling research
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    coming out from top labs
    all over the world,
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    showcasing the range of things
    that are undermined
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    as economic inequality gets worse.
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    Social mobility,
    things we really care about,
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    physical health, social trust,
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    all go down as inequality goes up.
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    Similarly, negative things
    in social collectives and societies,
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    things like obesity, and violence,
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    imprisonment, and punishment,
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    are exacerbated as economic
    inequality increases.
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    Again, these are outcomes
    not just experienced by a few,
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    but that resound
    across all strata of society.
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    Even people at the top
    experience these outcomes.
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    So what do we do?
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    This cascade of self-perpetuating,
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    pernicious, negative effects
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    could seem like something
    that's spun out of control,
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    and there's nothing we can do about it,
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    certainly nothing
    we as individuals could do.
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    But in fact, we've been finding
    in our own laboratory research
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    that small psychological interventions,
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    small changes to people's values,
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    small nudges in certain directions,
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    can restore levels
    of egalitarianism and empathy.
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    For instance, reminding people
    of the benefits of cooperation
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    or the advantages of community,
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    cause wealthier individuals
    to be just as egalitarian
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    as poor people.
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    In one study, we had people watch
    a brief video, just 46 seconds long,
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    about childhood poverty
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    that served as a reminder of the needs
    of others in the world around them.
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    And after watching that,
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    we looked at how willing people
    were to offer up their own time
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    to a stranger presented to them
    in the lab, who was in distress.
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    After watching this video, an hour later,
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    rich people became
    just as generous of their own time
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    to help out this other person, a stranger,
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    as someone who's poor,
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    suggesting that these differences
    are not innate or categorical,
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    but are so malleable
    to slight changes in people's values,
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    and little nudges of compassion
    and bumps of empathy.
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    And beyond the walls of our lab,
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    we're even beginning to see
    signs of change in society.
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    Bill Gates, one of our nation's
    wealthiest individuals,
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    in his Harvard commencement speech,
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    talked about the problem
    of inequality facing society
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    as being the most daunting challenge,
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    and talked about what must
    be done to combat it,
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    saying, "Humanity's greatest advances
    are not in its discoveries --
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    but in how those discoveries are applied
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    to reduce inequity."
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    And there's the Giving Pledge,
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    in which more than 100
    of our nation's wealthiest individuals
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    are pledging half
    of their fortunes to charity.
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    And there's the emergence of dozens
    of grassroots movements,
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    like "We are the 1 percent,"
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    "Resource Generation,"
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    or "Wealth for Common Good,"
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    in which the most privileged
    members of the population,
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    members of the one percent and elsewhere,
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    people who are wealthy,
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    are using their own economic resources,
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    adults and youth alike --
    that's what's most striking to me --
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    leveraging their own privilege,
    their own economic resources,
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    to combat inequality
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    by advocating for social policies,
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    changes in social values
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    and changes in people's behavior
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    that work against
    their own economic interests,
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    but that may ultimately
    restore the American dream.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
Does money make you mean? | Paul K. Piff | TEDxMarin
Description:

It's amazing what a rigged game of Monopoly can reveal. In this entertaining but sobering talk, social psychologist Paul Piff shares his research into how people behave when they feel wealthy. (Hint: badly.) But while the problem of inequality is a complex and daunting challenge, there's good news too.

This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx

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English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDxTalks
Duration:
16:53

English subtitles

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