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    This episode of It's the End of the world
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    as we know it and I feel fine
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    was made possible by contributions
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    from slaves like you.
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    Spank you very much!
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    Ex-commercial TV Pr-man
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    old Etonian and occasional pigfucker,
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    David Cameron would like to bomb Syria.
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    Unfortunately Russia's got there first
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    and America's been doing it for ages.
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    He wants to bomb Syria to stop the flow
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    of refugees fleeing all the bombs.
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    He's also hoping it will stop
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    the increased influence of
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    Islamic extremism.
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    Bombing Syria will of course destroy
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    the one remaining multicultural society
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    in the region, leaving it open to
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    the increased influence of
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    Islamic extremism.
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    To bomb Syria, therefore,
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    is clearly mental.
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    Goooooooooooooood morning slaves
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    and welcome to another sedition of
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    It's the End of the World as we Know it
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    and I Feel Fine....
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    the show that gets under dictators’ skin.
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    Need another car.
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    Fraid this last one ended up in the drink.
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    Look at you.
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    You're a -
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    I'm not puppet.
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    You're a bloody puppet!
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    Every person on earth, whether they
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    agree or disagree with President Putin,
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    they should respect him.
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    ♫ I've got no strings to hold me down
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    to make me fret, or make me frown. ♫
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    You're a puppet!
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    I'm not puppet.
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    I am your host the Stimulator,
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    and this December will mark six years
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    since 26 year old fruit vendor
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    Mohammed Bouazizi lit himself on fire
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    in the streets of Sidi Bouzid,
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    to protest harassment from the pigs,
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    and the crushing weight of
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    systemic poverty,
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    igniting the righteous fucking wave
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    of revolt that came to be known as
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    the Arab Spring.
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    This historic uprising swept like wildfire
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    across the Middle East and North Africa,
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    toppling dictators in Tunisia, Egypt,
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    Libya and Yemen,
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    catching the United Snakes and
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    its regional allies in the Gulf states
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    off guard,
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    and scaring the living shit out of them.
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    Riots will start here.
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    Iraq will be squeezed.
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    Syria, Jordan will fall.
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    Who will stand with the United States?
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    Who will stand with Israel?
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    Tragically, the heady optimism
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    seen on the streets of Tahrir Square
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    has long since been replaced by
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    the jackboot of counter-revolution
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    and the grim fucking realities
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    of terrorism and civil war.
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    In Bahrain, a popular uprising was
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    brutally put down by a Saudi-led invasion.
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    In Egypt, one pro-Western dictator
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    has been replaced by another,
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    who has ruthlessly clamped down on
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    protests, jailing thousands of dissidents.
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    Libya and Yemen have both descended
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    into civil wars, each drawing in
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    foreign military intervention.
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    And then there's Syria.
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    Up until now, me and my subMedia slaves
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    have avoided putting out an
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    in-depth sedition on Syria
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    because the situation on the ground
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    is incredibly fucking complicated,
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    and well… frankly... depressing as fuck.
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    Buuuuuuuuut despite being the defining war
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    of our epoch, a horrific fucking slaughter
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    that has killed upwards of
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    half a million people,
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    and displaced 12 million more,
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    reduced entire cities to rubble,
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    and spawned a massive flood of refugees
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    that in turn has hastened
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    the nationalist-fuelled disintegration of
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    the European Union,
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    and despite the fact that it has become
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    a central battleground for
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    the competing geopolitical ambitions
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    of so-called great powers
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    and regional state actors alike...
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    the fact is that the Syrian Revolution
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    and subsequent civil war
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    is still woefully misunderstood.
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    On the right side of the spectrum,
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    corporate and state-run media
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    have depicted Syria solely as
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    an external threat;
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    a breeding ground for ISIS terrorists
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    who are trying to smuggle their way
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    into Western population centres
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    by pretending to be war-torn refugees.
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    Is the United States opening its doors
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    to potential terrorists?
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    I could never have imagined
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    an Islamic radical sleeper cell
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    becoming president.
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    If they can cross... anybody can cross.
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    And I'm here today to ask you:
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    do you feel safe?
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    We ain't scared of you.
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    We're not gonna let you guys use your fear
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    to take our rights away.
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    They claim to be in America now!
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    And as soon as you come into our country
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    we're gonna trick your ass out!
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    In other news, Muslims are bad.
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    What more do you need to know
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    about these people?!
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    Many Western leftists, on the other hand,
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    have adopted a disgustingly
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    amoral pragmatism that rationalizes
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    their lack of solidarity by pointing to
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    the lack of a sufficiently moderate
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    armed rebel faction to support.
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    Who are the fighters there?
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    Well it's not just ISIS, but it's al-Nusra
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    as well... the Al Qaeda affiliate.
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    There are said to be moderates there,
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    but you know... and there probably are,
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    but they're not a -
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    they're a minority force.
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    While others have gone so far as
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    to throw their support behind
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    the psychopathic regime of that ugly
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    teen-stached motherfucker himself,
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    Bashar al-Asaad.
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    Death to imperialism,
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    victory to Bashar Assad.
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    Victory to the Syrian Arab Army,
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    the National Defense Force,
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    The Popular Front for the Liberation
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    of Palestine, and everyone who is fighting
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    within Syria for the Syrian people.
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    This confused and politically bankrupt
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    fucking narrative is particularly popular
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    with tankies who have a collective hard-on
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    for Vladimir Putin, and seemingly base
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    their entire fucking worldview on
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    a fossilized Cold War narrative that
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    supports any state that they deem to be
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    an official enemy of the United Snakes.
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    Tankie leftists believe that Assad
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    has been targeted for regime change by
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    the United Snakes and its allies,
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    and that Syria is being protected
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    by its staunchly anti-imperialist homies,
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    Russia and Iran.
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    Buuuuuuuuut putting aside the fact that
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    Russia and Iran are both gangsta
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    imperialist states in their own right
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    who oppress the fuck out of
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    their own citizens, there's an
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    even more obvious flaw in this logic...
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    the fact that the United Snakes isn't
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    actually trying to overthrow Assad at all.
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    The real threat to Assad's fascist
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    fucking regime has come from Syrians
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    themselves, who after growing sick and
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    mothafuckin tired of having their peaceful
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    protests bombed and machine-gunned,
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    launched a popular fucking armed uprising.
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    And it's racist as fuck to ignore
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    this fact, and to see all Syrian people
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    as either Islamic terrorists or
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    helpless victims only worthy of support
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    once they become refugees.
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    As the Presidential elections in
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    the United Snakes draw ever closer,
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    members of the Obama administration
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    are in a rush to add a victory over ISIS
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    to their presidential legacy,
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    before the next war-criminal-in-chief gets
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    sworn in in January.
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    To help accomplish this,
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    they've stepped up cooperation with Russia
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    and the two sides have recently agreed
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    to a so-called Cessation of Hostilities,
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    in order to join forces to fight ISIS
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    and Al Qaeda.
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    Buuuuuuuuuuut few peeps following things
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    on the ground actually think this latest
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    diplomatic push is gonna work.
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    There’s only one person who can end
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    the civil war in Syria.
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    You would rule in the possibility
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    of using nuclear weapons against ISIS?
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    Well.... I'm not going rule anything out.
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    Oh fuck no... not that fucker.
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    I’m talking about Syria’s greasy,
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    sunken-eyed, goose-necked dictator
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    himself… Bashar Al-Assad.
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    So with that in mind,
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    I’ve got a simple plea.
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    Bashar… you’ve done some pretty fucking
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    heinous shit over the past five years.
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    But there’s still time for you to do
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    the right thing.
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    In fact, it’s pretty simple…
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    just fucking kill yourself.
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    You do realize you’re not getting out
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    of this shit alive, right?
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    Once Russia and Iran get tired of
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    propping up your corrupt,
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    hollowed out regime, and decide to reach
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    some sorta deal to cover their own asses,
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    they’re throw you to the fuckin sharks.
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    So how do you wanna go out?
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    You wanna die like Ceausescu,
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    swarmed by a pissed off mob and lynched?
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    Who knows… with all you’ve done,
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    you’d probably get the full Mussolini.
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    Or maybe, just maybe, you’d prefer to
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    take the dignified way out,
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    like a fucking samurai,
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    or... or viking warrior or some shit…
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    or as dignified as a man as hideous and
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    awkward as you could possibly hope for.
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    Fuck it… you could shoot yourself out of
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    a fucking cannon into the Mediterranean
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    ....that might be fun.
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    And seriously… who’s gonna miss you?
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    Aside from these tankies,
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    and your ugly fucking cousin Rahmi.
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    And on the plus side… just think about
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    how much suffering and bloodshed
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    you could avoid…
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    let alone all the rope peeps would save
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    by not having to hang you by your
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    freakishly long neck!
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    Anyway Bashar… just an idea.
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    Ball's in your court,
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    you miserable piece of shit.
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    ♫ Head high, you made a revolution
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    Be proud of yourselves,
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    you destroyed a dirty band.
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    I know I have lost many things
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    But I feel I have gained many things.
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    Freedom, dignity, it is not easy.
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    It's not easy to do something
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    without victims and war machines.
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    Destroy the tree and the stone
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    Not one wall left standing
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    The regime humiliates me,
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    fuck him, he will not have me
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    Opposition failed on one side,
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    the other false media
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    Hezbollah, Daesh and others
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    countries of a world cursed
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    They let the people die & prepared coffins
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    I speak for the people,
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    gone are the days of silence
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    Gone are the days where you not dare express
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    If the revolution is here, it's your time
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    This is not a civil war
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    its the revolt of your people
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    The Refugees of RAP,
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    the voice of the people came back.
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    This is not a civil war
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    It is the revolt of a people, began peacefully
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    This is a revolution. ♫
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    On August 25th, Turkey’s thin-skinned
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    proto-fascist tyrant, Tayyip Erdogan,
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    officially joined the geopolitical
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    clusterfuck in Syria, when he sent
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    Turkey’s armed forces to lead
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    a cross-border incursion, ostensibly to
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    fight Daesh or the so-called Islamic State
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    but transparently as an effort to
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    halt the breaks on advances by
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    the Syrian Democratic Forces, led by the
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    Kurdish People’s Protection Unit, or YPG,
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    which has been making territorial gains
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    in the region that Syria’s Kurds have
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    re-christened as Rojava.
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    For many outside observers of the
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    Syrian civil war, the Rojava Revolution
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    has been a lonely beacon of hope
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    in an otherwise bleak fucking tragedy,
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    and anarchists and other revolutionaries
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    around the world have accordingly flocked
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    to show solidarity with their cause.
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    This has ranged from the establishment
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    of Rojava solidarity chapters in cities
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    and countries across the world,
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    all the way to peeps traveling to join
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    international battalions of volunteer
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    fighters on the front lines, in an act of
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    international solidarity that hearkens
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    back to the Spanish Civil War.
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    Over the past several years,
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    the liberated cantons of Rojava
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    have witnessed some of the most
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    inspiring revolutionary transformations
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    in modern history, most notable being
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    its grassroots Tev-Dem system
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    of participatory democracy, and the
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    accompanying self-organization and
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    mass empowerment of women.
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    Freedom for Kurdistan starts with
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    freedom for women.
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    When women are free,
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    then Kurdistan will be free.
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    These hard-fought gains have been
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    all the more impressive given the fact
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    that they've taken place while waging
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    an existential war against the
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    genocidal fucking jihadis of Daesh.
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    Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut while this will no doubt
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    piss a lot of peeps off…
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    Oh boy, here we go!
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    the uncomfortable truth is that many
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    supporters of Rojava have adopted a
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    dogmatic, uncritical approach to
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    the Kurdish struggle in northern Syria,
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    particularly its military aspect,
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    and in the process have ignored or
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    downplayed actions that not only
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    contradict fundamental principles of
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    the Rojava revolution, but also
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    pose serious fucking threats to
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    its future viability and the spread of
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    values within the region.
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    Kurds have long and tragic history of
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    betrayal and oppression at the hands of
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    the different states and ethnic groups
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    that surround them on all sides.
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    Under the Assad regime they were
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    officially banned from speaking their
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    own language, and were targeted by
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    so-called Arabization policies aimed at
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    controlling natural resources and
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    manipulating ethnic demographics
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    in the region.
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    One of the main tenants of Rojava’s
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    Tev-Dem system has been an embrace of
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    secular pluralism and cultural
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    and political autonomy for different
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    ethnic groups and religious minorities.
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    At the same time,
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    the Democratic Unity Party, or PYD, the
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    ruling Kurdish political party in Rojava,
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    has pursued a policy of geographically
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    linking the three Kurdish cantons of
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    Afrin, Kobane and Jazira, which are
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    physically separated from one another by
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    large swaths of land primarily
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    populated by Arabs.
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    The YPG militia, from the start of
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    the revolution, has been working for
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    its own interests.
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    It created an autonomous area....
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    it never recognized the Syrian revolution,
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    but it used it to create its own state.
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    The efforts to link the cantons militarily
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    has provoked a great deal of inter-ethnic
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    strife in Northern Syria, with YPG forces
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    benefiting from both US and Russian
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    airstrikes - in the latter case leading to
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    ethnic cleansing of rebel-held positions
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    in the province of Aleppo.
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    YPG supporters have tended to justify
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    these actions by claiming that the Arab
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    forces they have been targeting are all
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    head-chopping jihadis,
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    or members of Daesh or Al-Nusra.
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    Hopefully this doesn’t become a
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    self-fulfilling prophecy, and the YPG
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    and local militias of the Free Syrian Army
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    are able to come to an understanding
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    and mutual fucking coexistence.
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    This is especially important now that
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    Turkey’s military has joined the fray,
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    and Erdogan, drunk on the authoritarian
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    fucking powers he seized in the wake of
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    July’s failed coup,
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    has begun further cracking down on Kurds
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    in south-eastern Turkey.
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    While it’s important that anarchists
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    fully support aspirations of Kurdish
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    autonomy and self-determination,
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    whether in Syria, Turkey, Iraq or Iran…
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    it’s also important to support the
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    autonomy of Syrians in other parts of
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    the country, who are struggling against
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    a fucked up combination of
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    authoritarian Islamists, the Assad regime,
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    and its Iranian and Russian backers.
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    They are more powerful with weapons,
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    but we are more powerful in our hearts.
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    Many of you have your freedom
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    because of a revolution.
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    The time for our freedom is now.
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    So… in an effort to shed some
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    well-needed light on this other aspect
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    of the Syrian Revolution, I recently
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    caught up with Robin Yassin-Kassab,
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    a Syrian-British journalist, and co-author
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    of Burning Country: Syrians in Revolution
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    and War.
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    Hey Robin, how the fuck are you?
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    I'm very well indeed.
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    Back in January, you and your co-author
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    Leila al-Shami published Burning Country:
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    Syrians in Revolution and War, which is
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    widely regarded as one of the best
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    English-language accounts of
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    the Syrian Revolution.
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    What inspired you to write this book?
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    I think we wrote the book because
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    we felt that the story of the Syrian
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    Revolution, and then the various
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    counter-revolutions which came back at it
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    wasn't being told properly.
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    Everybody knows about the jihadists and
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    the head-choppers, and everybody knows
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    about Putin, and Turkey and Qatar,
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    and Saudi Arabia.
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    But nobody seems to know about, y'know,
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    grassroots Syrian workers and farmers,
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    and students who were going out there
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    and protesting, and then who began to
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    pick up weapons when they were
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    so oppressed.
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    So we did it because we wanted to give a
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    voice to those remarkable Syrian
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    revolutionaries, which we thought they
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    were lacking in the English language,
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    and in the west.
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    You have been pretty fucking outspoken
  • 15:09 - 15:11
    in your criticism of the international
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    response to the conflict in Syria,
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    and particularly scathing with regards to
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    the posture adopted by western leftists.
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    What in particular pisses you off
  • 15:18 - 15:19
    about how peeps have approached
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    the situation.... and what do you think
  • 15:21 - 15:23
    that this says about the current state
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    of the left more generally?
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    Well I think it's been really depressing,
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    really tragic that a lot of Syrians
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    expected at the start that they would be
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    getting help, or solidarity from the
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    leftists, the so-called anti-imperialists
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    in the west, and very often it was
  • 15:42 - 15:43
    the left, at least the mainstream or
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    dominant left, which misrepresented them
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    and spread lies about them even before
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    the right did.
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    So for example, nowadays we have the
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    right-wing telling us that all these
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    Syrian refugees, they're all Al Qaeda,
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    they're all dangerous jihadists
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    and we shouldn't let any of them in....
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    this notion that every Syrian, or every
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    Syrian revolutionary is Al Qaeda was
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    actually spread by lots of people
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    on the left.
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    I think what the left has done, not just
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    in the case of Syria, but in general,
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    tragically, the left has given up on
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    ordinary people.
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    It seems to have lost hope that people at
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    the grassroots can actually change things,
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    and therefore it's just got itself
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    obsessed with states.
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    It seems to think that being
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    left-wing is about supporting certain
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    states against other states, as if there
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    are, y'know, goodie states against
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    the badie states.
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    But that's not classical leftism.
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    It's not Marxism... I mean Marxism talked
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    about doing a class analysis in which you
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    give your support to the working classes
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    in their struggle against
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    the ruling classes. And I think that's
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    what leftists should be doing
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    if they want to be in any way relevant
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    to real struggles in the world.
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    They should be supporting people within
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    every state who are trying to fight
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    against their oppressors.
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    And the left has failed to do that,
  • 17:02 - 17:04
    and instead, through this very inaccurate
  • 17:04 - 17:08
    state-based analysis, they're just making
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    silly assumptions. They seem to think,
  • 17:10 - 17:12
    for example, that this is a regime-change
  • 17:12 - 17:15
    plot directed by the United States against
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    the glorious resistance regime in Syria.
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    And, y'know, the facts don't bear
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    that out at all.
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    You've stated on several occasions
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    your belief that the Syrian Revolution
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    has been the most significant revolution
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    since 1930s Spain.
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    Could you elaborate on this?
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    In the revolution, and then particularly
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    as it became a war, when the regime was
  • 17:36 - 17:38
    forced to withdraw from certain parts of
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    the country... as the regime withdrew,
  • 17:42 - 17:44
    it withdrew the services that if offered,
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    of course. The state collapsed.
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    And what you had then, was that in many
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    different parts of the country,
  • 17:51 - 17:53
    people started setting up their own
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    self-organized administrations.
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    So they set up local councils for example.
  • 17:59 - 18:02
    At the moment there are about 400
  • 18:02 - 18:05
    local councils operating in the liberated
  • 18:05 - 18:08
    areas of Syria. And these are the people
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    who are keeping life together in the
  • 18:10 - 18:12
    liberated areas, under the bombs,
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    in the most difficult circumstances.
  • 18:14 - 18:15
    They're keeping the electricity going,
  • 18:15 - 18:17
    they're keeping the water supply going,
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    they're trying to build makeshift
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    hospitals and underground schools
  • 18:21 - 18:23
    where people can be educated
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    despite the bombs.
  • 18:25 - 18:27
    This is remarkable!
  • 18:27 - 18:29
    This self-organization, this local
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    democracy, and nobody notices it.
  • 18:31 - 18:33
    Nobody talks about it. It's much easier
  • 18:33 - 18:35
    for us to talk about the Saudis and
  • 18:35 - 18:38
    the Russians and the states than it is
  • 18:38 - 18:40
    to talk about the remarkable things
  • 18:40 - 18:41
    that people are doing.
  • 18:41 - 18:42
    Not just councils... women's centers,
  • 18:42 - 18:44
    free radio stations,
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    free television stations,
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    newspapers, an explosion of popular art,
  • 18:48 - 18:50
    all of this kind of thing is happening
  • 18:50 - 18:53
    in Syria, in the middle of an awful war,
  • 18:53 - 18:56
    amidst starvation sieges... it's really
  • 18:56 - 18:58
    remarkable and it's inspiring what's
  • 18:58 - 19:01
    happening in Syria, as well as tragic,
  • 19:01 - 19:02
    and it's our loss that we don't
  • 19:02 - 19:03
    pay more attention to it.
  • 19:03 - 19:05
    Outside of Rojava, many western anarchists
  • 19:05 - 19:07
    are unfamiliar with the influential role
  • 19:07 - 19:08
    that anarchists have played in the
  • 19:08 - 19:10
    Syrian Revolution - a prime example being
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    Omar Aziz.
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    Can you tell us a little bit more about
  • 19:14 - 19:15
    who he was, and his material and
  • 19:15 - 19:17
    theoretical contributions to
  • 19:17 - 19:19
    the revolutionary process?
  • 19:19 - 19:22
    Yeah well, Omar Aziz was a remarkable man,
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    and a very influential man.
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    He was an anarchist, I mean, he
  • 19:26 - 19:30
    self-identified as an anarchist.
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    Of course, many of the people who set up
  • 19:31 - 19:35
    the self-organized committees and councils
  • 19:35 - 19:36
    that we were talking about, do not
  • 19:36 - 19:38
    necessarily use the word anarchist to
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    describe themselves.
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    They don't necessarily come from that
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    theoretical tradition.
  • 19:43 - 19:45
    They haven't necessarily read Bakunin
  • 19:45 - 19:48
    and so on, but what they're doing
  • 19:48 - 19:51
    is anarchist. Omar Aziz actually
  • 19:51 - 19:52
    identified as an anarchist, and he'd
  • 19:52 - 19:54
    obviously read a lot of anarchism,
  • 19:54 - 19:56
    and studied it. He was living outside
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    of Syria, he came back to join
  • 19:58 - 20:00
    the revolution, and then in the 8th month
  • 20:00 - 20:02
    he wrote a paper in which he said
  • 20:02 - 20:04
    it's not enough to go out and protest.
  • 20:04 - 20:06
    We have to withdraw from the state,
  • 20:06 - 20:09
    and stop giving our consent, and we have
  • 20:09 - 20:12
    to set up our own alternative bodies
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    and organizations, and he recommended
  • 20:14 - 20:16
    setting up local councils - the local
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    councils I was just talking about.
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    He helped to set up three of the first
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    local councils in the Damascus suburbs,
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    and then he was arrested.
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    And he died in prison. Some people say
  • 20:26 - 20:28
    he was tortured to death, we don't know.
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    He already had weak health when he went
  • 20:31 - 20:34
    into prison... he died there a day before
  • 20:34 - 20:35
    his 64th birthday.
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    But after he died, this model that he had
  • 20:38 - 20:41
    helped to build, spread like wildfire...
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    particularly in 2012-2013 as the regime
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    was withdrawing from key areas of
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    the country, people were setting up
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    local councils everywhere.
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    It's also important to remember, I mean,
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    in a way that anarchists in the west can
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    identify with Omar Aziz to an extent
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    - if they've heard of him - because he
  • 21:00 - 21:03
    identified as an anarchist. But then,
  • 21:03 - 21:04
    y'know, when we're looking at cultures
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    which we as westerners don't immediately
  • 21:06 - 21:08
    recognize - Islamic cultures,
  • 21:08 - 21:10
    African cultures, y'know, cultures all
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    over the world - people there may be using
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    their own vocabulary, their own cultural
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    vocabulary, but they're sometimes arriving
  • 21:20 - 21:22
    at the same conclusions of
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    self-organization and cooperation that
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    anarchists in the west would hope that
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    they arrive to, so that's interesting and
  • 21:28 - 21:29
    I think we need to look out for that
  • 21:29 - 21:30
    in the future.
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    What effects have the revolution
  • 21:32 - 21:34
    and subsequent civil war had in terms of
  • 21:34 - 21:36
    women's participation in Syrian society?
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    As a result of the revolution, women have
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    been empowered a great deal, and then as
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    a result of the counter-revolutionary war,
  • 21:45 - 21:48
    in many ways things have gone backwards.
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    In terms of the revolution, I mean,
  • 21:49 - 21:53
    Razan Zaitouneh, a woman, was the founder
  • 21:53 - 21:55
    of the Local Coordination Committees,
  • 21:55 - 21:58
    a grassroots revolutionary unit which was
  • 21:58 - 22:00
    set up at the start and spread all over
  • 22:00 - 22:01
    the country. There was another group of
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    coordination committees set up by
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    Sohar Itasi, another woman,
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    so those two very important key bodies
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    were set up by women.
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    Also, what you've had during
  • 22:13 - 22:17
    the revolution in liberated areas is a lot
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    of women's centers have been set up
  • 22:19 - 22:24
    by women themselves in order to encourage
  • 22:24 - 22:26
    women's participation in the revolution,
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    in society, in the economy, in order to
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    teach skills where necessary, and also as
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    places where they can go and talk and
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    express solidarity to each other, and try
  • 22:36 - 22:40
    to find common solutions to their problems
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    I think that the fact of revolutionary
  • 22:42 - 22:44
    work, as well, has to an extent liberated
  • 22:44 - 22:47
    women. Everything has been questioned
  • 22:47 - 22:49
    in Syria in the last years, including the
  • 22:49 - 22:51
    relations between men and women, between
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    husbands and wives, between fathers and
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    daughters, parents and children.
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    On the other hand, y'know... of course
  • 22:58 - 23:01
    the fact of war, in many ways has made
  • 23:01 - 23:03
    things terrible for women. I mean, women
  • 23:03 - 23:07
    have been subject to a mass rape campaign
  • 23:07 - 23:09
    which the regime organized.
  • 23:09 - 23:12
    ISIS also, of course, has raped women and
  • 23:12 - 23:16
    made Yazidi women into sex slaves, all of
  • 23:16 - 23:18
    this kind of barbarism has gone on.
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    The fact of war has victimized women
  • 23:21 - 23:24
    in particular... but the revolutionary
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    impulses are there, and I think they will
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    continue, and I think that women who've
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    had a taste of activism and freedom,
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    if only for a moment, during
  • 23:33 - 23:35
    the revolution are not going to give
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    that up, and they're going to pass
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    that on to their daughters.
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    Anything else you wanna add?
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    I think that we should really be paying
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    much more attention because, as I said,
  • 23:43 - 23:46
    it's remarkable what Syrians are doing,
  • 23:46 - 23:49
    socially, politically and culturally.
  • 23:49 - 23:51
    As well as all of the terrible things,
  • 23:51 - 23:53
    the torture, the jihadism, the bombing,
  • 23:53 - 23:55
    the rest of it, there's all of this
  • 23:55 - 23:58
    cultural explosion, the free newspapers,
  • 23:58 - 24:00
    the community cooperation that's happening
  • 24:00 - 24:02
    which we could learn from.
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    This kind of thing doesn't happen
  • 24:04 - 24:07
    very often in history, and certainly
  • 24:07 - 24:10
    people who claim to be revolutionaries,
  • 24:10 - 24:12
    anarchists and leftists they really should
  • 24:12 - 24:14
    be the first people who are without
  • 24:14 - 24:16
    prejudice, without silly binaries, without
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    worshiping different lines set out
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    by states - they should be attending
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    to what's happening on the ground at the
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    grassroots, and showing some solidarity.
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    Thanks Robin… and that about
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