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Non-lethal weapons, a moral hazard?

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    What I want to talk to you about today
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    is some of the problems that the military of the Western world --
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    Australia, United States, U.K. and so on --
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    face in some of the deployments
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    that they're dealing with in the modern world at this time.
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    If you think about the sorts of things
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    that we've sent Australian military personnel to in recent years,
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    we've got obvious things like Iraq and Afghanistan,
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    but you've also got things like East Timor
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    and the Solomon Islands and so on.
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    And a lot of these deployments
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    that we're actually sending military personnel to these days
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    aren't traditional wars.
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    In fact, a lot of the jobs
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    that we're asking the military personnel to do in these situations
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    are ones that, in their own countries, in Australia, the United States and so on,
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    would actually be done by police officers.
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    And so there's a bunch of problems that come up
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    for military personnel in these situations,
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    because they're doing things that they haven't really been trained for,
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    and they're doing things
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    that those who do them in their own countries
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    are trained very differently for
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    and equipped very differently for.
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    Now there's a bunch of reasons why
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    we actually do send military personnel
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    rather than police to do these jobs.
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    If Australia had to send a thousand people tomorrow
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    to West Papua for example,
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    we don't have a thousand police officers hanging around
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    that could just go tomorrow
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    and we do have a thousand soldiers that could go.
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    So when we have to send someone, we send the military --
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    because they're there, they're available
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    and, heck, they're used to going off and doing these things
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    and living by themselves
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    and not having all this extra support.
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    So they are able to do it in that sense.
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    But they aren't trained in the same way that police officers are
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    and they're certainly not equipped in the same way police officers are.
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    And so this has raised a bunch of problems for them
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    when dealing with these sorts of issues.
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    One particular thing that's come up
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    that I am especially interested in
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    is the question of whether,
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    when we're sending military personnel to do these sorts of jobs,
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    we ought to be equipping them differently,
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    and in particular, whether we ought to be giving them access
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    to some of the sorts of non-lethal weapons that police have.
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    Since they're doing some of these same jobs,
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    maybe they should have some of those things.
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    And of course, there's a range of places
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    where you'd think those things would be really useful.
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    So for example, when you've got military checkpoints.
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    If people are approaching these checkpoints
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    and the military personnel there are unsure
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    whether this person's hostile or not.
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    Say this person approaching here,
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    and they say, "Well is this a suicide bomber or not?
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    Have they got something hidden under their clothing? What's going to happen?"
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    They don't know whether this person's hostile or not.
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    If this person doesn't follow directions,
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    then they may end up shooting them
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    and then find out afterward
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    either, yes, we shot the right person,
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    or, no, this was just an innocent person
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    who didn't understand what was going on.
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    So if they had non-lethal weapons
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    then they would say, "Well we can use them in that sort of situation.
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    If we shoot someone who wasn't hostile,
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    at least we haven't killed them."
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    Another situation.
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    This photo is actually from one of the missions
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    in the Balkans in the late 1990s.
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    Situation's a little bit different
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    where perhaps they know someone who's hostile,
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    where they've got someone shooting at them
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    or doing something else that's clearly hostile, throwing rocks, whatever.
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    But if they respond, there's a range of other people around,
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    who are innocent people who might also get hurt --
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    be collateral damage that the military often doesn't want to talk about.
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    So again, they would say, "Well if we have access to non-lethal weapons,
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    if we've got someone we know is hostile,
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    we can do something to deal with them
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    and know that if we hit anyone else around the place,
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    at least, again, we're not going to kill them."
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    Another suggestion has been,
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    since we're putting so many robots in the field,
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    we can see the time coming
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    where they're actually going to be sending robots out in the field that are autonomous.
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    They're going to make their own decisions about who to shoot and who not to shoot
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    without a human in the loop.
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    And so the suggestion is, well hey,
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    if we're going to send robots out and allow them to do this,
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    maybe it would be a good idea, again, with these things
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    if they were armed with non-lethal weapons
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    so that if the robot makes a bad decision and shoots the wrong person,
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    again, they haven't actually killed them.
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    Now there's a whole range of different sorts of non-lethal weapons,
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    some of which are obviously available now,
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    some of which they're developing.
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    So you've got traditional things like pepper spray,
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    O.C. spray up at the top there,
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    or Tasers over here.
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    The one on the top right here is actually a dazzling laser
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    intended to just blind the person momentarily
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    and disorient them.
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    You've got non-lethal shotgun rounds
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    that contain rubber pellets
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    instead of the traditional metal ones.
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    And this one in the middle here, the large truck,
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    is actually called the Active Denial System --
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    something the U.S. military is working on at the moment.
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    It's essentially a big microwave transmitter.
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    It's sort of your classic idea of a heat ray.
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    It goes out to a really long distance,
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    compared to any of these other sorts of things.
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    And anybody who is hit with this
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    feels this sudden burst of heat
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    and just wants to get out of the way.
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    It is a lot more sophisticated than a microwave oven,
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    but it is basically boiling the water molecules
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    in the very surface level of your skin.
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    So you feel this massive heat,
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    and you go, "I want to get out of the way."
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    And they're thinking, well this will be really useful
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    in places like where we need to clear a crowd out of a particular area,
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    if the crowd is being hostile.
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    If we need to keep people away from a particular place,
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    we can do that with these sorts of things.
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    So obviously there's a whole range of different sorts
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    of non-lethal weapons we could give military personnel
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    and there's a whole range of situations
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    where they're looking a them and saying, "Hey, these things could be really useful."
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    But as I said,
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    the military and the police
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    are very different.
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    Yes, you don't have to look very hard at this
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    to recognize the fact that they might be very different.
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    In particular,
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    the attitude to the use of force
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    and the way they're trained to use force
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    is especially different.
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    The police --
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    and knowing because I've actually helped to train police --
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    police, in particular Western jurisdictions at least,
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    are trained to de-escalate force,
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    to try and avoid using force
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    wherever possible,
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    and to use lethal force
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    only as an absolute last resort.
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    Military personnel are being trained for war,
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    so they're trained that, as soon as things go bad,
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    their first response is lethal force.
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    The moment the fecal matter hits the rotating turbine,
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    you can start shooting at people.
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    So their attitudes
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    to the use of lethal force are very different,
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    and I think it's fairly obvious
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    that their attitude to the use of non-lethal weapons
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    would also be very different from what it is with the police.
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    And since we've already had so many problems
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    with police use of non-lethal weapons in various ways,
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    I thought it would be a really good idea to look at some of those things
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    and try to relate it to the military context.
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    And I was really surprised when I started to do this,
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    to see that, in fact,
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    even those people who were advocating the use of non-lethal weapons by the military
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    hadn't actually done that.
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    They generally seem to think,
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    "Well, why would we care what's happened with the police?
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    We're looking at something different,"
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    and didn't seem to recognize, in fact,
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    they were looking at pretty much the same stuff.
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    So I actually started to investigate some of those issues
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    and have a look
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    at the way that police use non-lethal weapons when they're introduced
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    and some of the problems that might arise
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    out of those sorts of things
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    when they actually do introduce them.
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    And of course, being Australian,
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    I started looking at stuff in Australia,
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    knowing, again, from my own experience about various times
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    when non-lethal weapons have been introduced in Australia.
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    So one of the things I particularly looked at
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    was the use of O.C. spray,
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    oleoresin capsicum spray, pepper spray,
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    by Australian police
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    and seeing when that had been introduced, what had happened
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    and those sorts of issues.
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    And one study that I found,
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    a particularly interesting one,
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    was actually in Queensland,
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    because they had a trial period for the use of pepper spray
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    before they actually introduced it more broadly.
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    And I went and had a look at some of the figures here.
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    Now when they introduced O.C. spray in Queensland,
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    they were really explicit.
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    The police minister had a whole heap of public statements made about it.
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    They were saying, "This is explicitly intended
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    to give police an option
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    between shouting and shooting.
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    This is something they can use instead of a firearm
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    in those situations where they would have previously had to shoot someone."
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    So I went and looked at all of these police shooting figures.
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    And you can't actually find them very easily
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    for individual Australian states.
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    I could only find these ones.
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    This is from a Australian Institute of Criminology report.
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    As you can see from the fine print, if you can read it at the top:
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    "Police shooting deaths" means not just people who have been shot by police,
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    but people who have shot themselves in the presence of police.
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    But this is the figures across the entire country.
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    And the red arrow represents the point
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    where Queensland actually said,
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    "Yes, this is where we're going to give all police officers across the entire state
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    access to O.C. spray."
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    So you can see there were six deaths sort of leading up to it
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    every year for a number of years.
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    There was a spike, of course, a few years before,
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    but that wasn't actually Queensland.
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    Anyone know where that was? Wasn't Port Arthur, no.
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    Victoria? Yes, correct.
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    That spike was all Victoria.
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    So it wasn't that Queensland had a particular problem
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    with deaths from police shootings and so on.
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    So six shootings across the whole country,
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    fairly consistently over the years before.
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    So the next two years were the years they studied -- 2001, 2002.
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    Anyone want to take a stab at the number of times,
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    given how they've introduced this,
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    the number of times police in Queensland used O.C. spray in that period?
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    Hundreds? One, three.
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    Thousand is getting better.
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    Explicitly introduced
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    as an alternative to the use of lethal force --
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    an alternative between shouting and shooting.
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    I'm going to go out on a limb here
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    and say that if Queensland police didn't have O.C. spray,
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    they wouldn't have shot 2,226 people
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    in those two years.
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    In fact, if you have a look
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    at the studies that they were looking at,
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    the material they were collecting and examining,
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    you can see the suspects were only armed
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    in about 15 percent of cases
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    where O.C. spray was used.
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    It was routinely being used in this period,
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    and, of course, still is routinely used --
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    because there were no complaints about it,
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    not within the context of this study anyway --
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    it was routinely being used
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    to deal with people who were violent,
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    who were potentially violent,
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    and also quite frequently used
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    to deal with people who were simply
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    passively non-compliant.
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    This person is not doing anything violent,
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    but they just won't do what we want them to.
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    They're not obeying the directions that we're giving them,
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    so we'll give them a shot of the O.C. spray.
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    That'll speed them up. Everything will work out better that way.
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    This was something explicitly introduced
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    to be an alternative to firearms,
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    but it's being routinely used
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    to deal with a whole range
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    of other sorts of problems.
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    Now one of the particular issues that comes up
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    with military use of non-lethal weapons --
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    and people when they're actually saying, "Well hey, there might be some problems" --
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    there's a couple of particular problems that get focused on.
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    One of those problems
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    is that non-lethal weapons may be used indiscriminately.
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    One of the fundamental principles of military use of force
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    is that you have to be discriminate.
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    You have to be careful about who you're shooting at.
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    So one of the problems that's been suggested with non-lethal weapons
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    is that they might be used indiscriminately --
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    that you use them against a whole range of people
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    because you don't have to worry so much anymore.
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    And in fact, one particular instance
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    where I think that actually happens where you can look at it
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    was the Dubrovka Theatre siege in Moscow in 2002,
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    which probably a lot of you, unlike most of my students at ADFA,
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    are actually old enough to remember.
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    So Chechens had come in and taken control of the theater.
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    They were holding something like 700 people hostage.
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    They'd released a bunch of people,
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    but they still had about 700 people hostage.
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    And the Russian special military police,
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    special forces, Spetsnaz,
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    came in and actually stormed the theater.
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    And the way they did it was to pump the whole thing full of anesthetic gas.
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    And it turned out
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    that lots of these hostages actually died
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    as a result of inhaling the gas.
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    It was used indiscriminately.
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    They pumped the whole theater full of the gas.
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    And it's no surprise that people died,
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    because you don't know how much of this gas
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    each person is going to inhale,
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    what position they're going to fall in
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    when they become unconscious and so on.
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    There were, in fact, only a couple of people who got shot
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    in this episode.
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    So when they had a look at it afterward,
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    there were only a couple of people
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    who'd apparently been shot by the hostage takers
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    or shot by the police forces
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    coming in and trying to deal with the situation.
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    Virtually everybody that got killed
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    got killed from inhaling the gas.
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    The final toll of hostages
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    is a little unclear,
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    but it's certainly a few more than that,
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    because there were other people who died over the next few days.
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    So this was one particular problem they talked about,
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    that it might be used indiscriminately.
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    Second problem that people sometimes talk about
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    with military use of non-lethal weapons,
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    and it's actually the reason why in the chemical weapons convention,
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    it's very clear that you can't use riot control agents
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    as a weapon of warfare,
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    the problem with that is that it's seen that sometimes
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    non-lethal weapons might actually be used, not as an alternative to lethal force,
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    but as a lethal force multiplier --
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    that you use non-lethal weapons first
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    so that your lethal weapons will actually be more effective.
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    The people you're going to be shooting at
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    aren't going to be able to get out of the way.
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    They're not going to be aware of what's happening and you can kill them better.
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    And in fact, that's exactly what happened here.
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    The hostage takers who had been rendered unconscious by the gas
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    were not taken into custody,
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    they were simply shot in the head.
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    So this non-lethal weapon
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    was being used, in fact, in this case
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    as a lethal force multiplier
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    to make killing more effective
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    in this particular situation.
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    Another problem that I just want to quickly mention
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    is that there's a whole heap of problems
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    with the way that people actually get taught
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    to use non-lethal weapons
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    and get trained about them and then get tested and so on.
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    Because they get tested in nice, safe environments.
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    And people get taught to use them in nice, safe environments
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    like this, where you can see exactly what's going on.
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    The person who's spraying the O.C. spray is wearing a rubber glove
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    to make sure they don't get contaminated and so on.
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    But they don't ever get used like that.
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    They get used out in the real world,
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    like in Texas, like this.
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    I confess, this particular case
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    was actually one that piqued my interest in this.
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    It happened while I was working as a research fellow at the U.S. Naval Academy.
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    And news reports started coming up about this situation
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    where this woman was arguing with the police officer.
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    She wasn't violent.
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    In fact, he was probably six inches taller than me,
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    and she was about this tall.
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    And eventually she said to him
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    "Well I'm going to get back in my car."
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    And he says, "If you get back into your car, I'm going to tase you."
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    And she says, "Oh, go ahead. Tase me." And so he does.
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    And it's all captured by the video camera
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    running in the front of the police car.
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    So she's 72,
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    and it's seen that this is the most appropriate way of dealing with her.
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    And other examples of the same sorts of things
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    with other people where you think
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    where you think, "Is this really an appropriate way to use non-lethal weapons?"
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    "Police chief fires Taser into 14 year-old girl's head."
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    "She was running away. What else was I suppose to do?"
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    (Laughter)
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    Or Florida:
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    "Police Taser six year-old boy at elementary school."
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    And they clearly learned a lot from it
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    because in the same district,
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    "Police review policy after children shocked:
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    2nd child shocked by Taser stun gun within weeks."
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    Same police district.
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    Another child within weeks of Tasering the six year-old boy.
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    Just in case you think
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    it's only going to happen in the United States,
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    it happened in Canada as well.
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    And a colleague of mine
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    sent me this one from London.
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    But my personal favorite of these ones, I have to confess,
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    does actually come from the United States:
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    "Officers Taser 86 year-old disabled woman in her bed."
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    I checked the reports on this one.
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    I looked at it. I was really surprised.
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    Apparently she took up a more threatening position in her bed.
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    (Laughter)
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    I kid you not. That's exactly what it said.
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    "She took up a more threatening position in her bed."
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    Okay.
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    But I'd remind you what I'm talking about,
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    I'm talking about military uses of non-lethal weapons.
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    So why is this relevant?
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    Because police are actually more restrained in the use of force
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    than the military are.
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    They're trained to be more restrained in the use of force than the military are.
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    They're trained to think more, to try and de-escalate.
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    So if you have these problems with police officers with non-lethal weapons,
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    what on earth would make you think
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    it's going to be better with military personnel?
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    The last thing that I would just like to say,
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    when I'm talking to the police
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    about what a perfect non-lethal weapon would look like,
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    they almost inevitably say the same thing.
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    They say, "Well, it's got to be something that's nasty enough
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    that people don't want to be hit with this weapon.
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    So if you threaten to use it,
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    people are going to comply with it,
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    but it's also going to be something
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    that doesn't leave any lasting effects."
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    In other words, your perfect non-lethal weapon
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    is something that's perfect for abuse.
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    What would these guys have done
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    if they'd had access to Tasers
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    or to a manned, portable version
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    of the Active Denial System --
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    a small heat ray that you can use on people
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    and not worry about it.
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    So I think, yes, there may be ways
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    that non-lethal weapons are going to be great in these situations,
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    but there's also a whole heap of problems
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    that need to be considered as well.
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    Thanks very much.
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    (Applause)
Title:
Non-lethal weapons, a moral hazard?
Speaker:
Stephen Coleman
Description:

Pepper spray and tasers are in increasing use by both police and military, and more exotic non-lethal weapons such as heat rays are in the works. At TEDxCanberra, ethicist Stephen Coleman explores the unexpected consequences of their introduction and asks some challenging questions.

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Video Language:
English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDTalks
Duration:
17:11

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