Need Holy Spirit Conviction to Be Saved? - Ask Pastor Tim

So, "I always hear preachers preach

that unless you have
Holy Spirit conviction

you will never be saved."

Now, just to say to Rocky,

he may hear preachers
say that all the time.

I don't hear preachers say
that all the time, do you guys?

(from the room)

That was a big thing with the Puritans.

They would say you have to be

slain by the law

before you can be saved.

Tim: Do you think that's specifically

what he's talking about?

Slain by the law?

Perhaps.

"...Or you will never be saved.

The obvious negative to that is this:

Without Holy Spirit conviction,

you will not be saved.

Why do some people get convicted

and others don't?

Though I know I am responsible for my sin,

I feel like I've never truly been

convicted of my sin.

Therefore, there is nothing I can do

unless God brings it on.

I've heard all the
theological answers before,

but none of them answer the real world

practicality of it all.

Please help."

So, he wants real world practicality.

Now, okay. Let's think here.

He says, "There's nothing I can do

unless God brings it on."

Let me ask you,

(incomplete thought)

Let me ask you this,

you go to the book of Acts.

The book of Acts is great

because some of the best preachers

in the early church are shown to us

preaching the Gospel

in this raw, Gentile -

even there on the day of
Pentecost in Jerusalem -

but you just have a world
ripe for the Gospel.

Can anybody think of Paul or Peter

or Stephen or Phillip ever preaching

that there's nothing you can do

unless God brings it on?

Is that the way they preached?

No.

They didn't.

So here's the thing.

If you come to the conclusion

that Rocky's come to,

you've come to an unbiblical conclusion.

And this is one of the problems.

People come to all manner of conclusions

and sometimes it is because maybe

they're reading the Puritans

or they're listening to
preachers somewhere.

But listen, have the soul winners

really emphasized that without

Holy Spirit conviction you can't be saved?

Is Holy Spirit conviction biblical?

Yeah. R.L.'s nodding yes.

When the Spirit comes,

He's going to convict men of sin.

That's true.

Has anybody ever heard
Paul Washer's testimony?

Anybody ever heard what he said

about conviction of sin?

Yeah, that he didn't feel it at first.

It wasn't until sometime later

he says he felt it.

My brother-in-law Rick,

when he was converted,

it was not feeling all sorts of
wretchedness for his sin.

It was like suddenly

Christ broke in upon him

and spoke to him that His atonement

was for him.

That doesn't mean that Rick never had

conviction of sin.

But we need to be careful.

We need to be very careful

that we don't set up a standard

that the Bible doesn't necessarily

put before us.

Here's the thing.

Yes, the Bible says something

about conviction of the Holy Spirit.

But let me ask you this?

Does the Bible ever say that we're saved

by Holy Spirit conviction?

What are we saved by?

By faith in Jesus Christ.

Listen, I guess as I was
thinking about this,

I was thinking of somebody
in a burning house

in an upper story window.

And how somebody down below

saying, "trust me and jump."

I mean, it's a good picture.

Because we've got the fires of hell

breathing down our backs

in our lost condition.

And Christ is saying, "jump...

and I'll hold you."

Now look, the thing is

however you feel is not the real issue.

Some people may feel more scared.

Some people may feel less scared.

There may be all sorts of feelings

that a person feels,

but what's critical is that you jump.

That's the real issue.

That you jump.

(Incomplete thought)

Think about this.

Rich young ruler.

Did He say to him,

"Oh, no Holy Spirit conviction!"

You know what He said to him?

He said to him,

"Go sell your idol and
you give to the poor

and you come follow Me

and you'll have treasure in heaven."

He didn't say you have to feel anything.

You know what He was asking him to do?

Trust Him.

Believe on Christ.

You think about Matthew.

I often think about Matthew.

Jesus came by.

I don't know what he was feeling.

I don't know what was going
through his head right before that.

I don't know what he knew about Jesus.

Because you know what?
The truth is we're not told.

But I'll tell you this,

when Jesus said, "Follow Me," he did.

Because you know what faith is all about?

It's resting on a promise.

That's what it's all about.

And think with me here.

He could have said,

"Well, I don't feel enough conviction.

I don't feel like God regenerated me.

I don't feel like I'm one of the elect."

But you know what
Jesus calls people to do?

There's nowhere in Scripture where it says

you need to feel elect
before you can come.

There's nothing that says you need to feel

a certain level of thirst or hunger

or conviction before you can come.

There's nothing in
Scripture that says that.

The issue is trusting His promises.

You see, if Matthew would have said

before I'm going to follow Jesus,

I need to feel something,

he'd have sat at that desk

and he'd have gone to hell.

Do you know what he did?

He parted with his money.

He parted with his franchise.

He parted with his lifestyle.

He parted with his income.

Why would anybody do that?

Because they're trusting

that Christ is going to save them.

They're trusting that Christ

is going to help them;

that Christ is going to be all to them;

Christ is going to be sufficient to them.

You know what?

We have all sorts of people

who they say by their actions,

"I will not believe the Lord Jesus Christ

until I get the feeling I want

or until I get the experience I want."

You're going to stand up
there in that window

and burn to death.

What Jesus says is "trust Me."

You see, it's not trust to say,

"Well, I need to feel something first."

That's not trust.

Trust is to take Him at His word and jump.

All in.

You forsake everything.

You're abandoning your life.

You're bought with a price.

You're jumping.

You're leaving yourself
totally at His disposal

to save you as He sees fit,

to protect you,

to put you into whatever life He desires.

If you stood up there in
that window and you said,

"Well, I've got to figure
out whether I'm elect first,"

you're going to die in that window.

I guarantee you, you're
going to die in that window.

What He's calling us to do

is to trust Him;

to take Him at His word.

Isn't it interesting, throughout Scripture

that's what He said to people.

He said there's a wise man,

there's a foolish man.

They hear His Word and they do it.

You know what?

You know what the truth is?

You don't even have to feel assurance.

Assurance - knowing you're saved.

You don't have to feel that.

What you need to know

is that Christ can save you,

and you jump into His arms.

You take Him at His word.

And you don't wait to feel anything.

I was talking to Charles Leiter

not too long ago about this.

We were talking about

being sealed with the Spirit.

We were talking about feelings.

We were talking about assurance.

Charles said that some
of the old preachers -

he was talking about one specifically

he said that would preach to people.

You take Christ at His word.

And you may not feel anything

in the beginning,

but if you hold on to those promises,

God will meet you.

It was B.B. Caldwell.

Charles loves to tell stories about him.

But he would preach to people that way.

You take Christ at His word

no matter what you feel.

No matter what.

You take Him at His word and you wait.

Holding. Trusting.

And God will come to you.

I think that's the reality.

Sometimes we read things in Scripture

and we say, "I want to feel that."
"I want to have that experience."

Or we hear about somebody's experience,

and we feel like we need to have that.

But see, if you're Matthew sitting

at the tax collector's desk,

He said to him what He says to us all.

He said if you would come after Him,

you need to follow Him.

Whoever would come after Him,

you need to follow Him.

That's the issue. Whoever.

Whoever would come after.

That's His invitation.

If you want to come after Him, you can.

What does it mean to come after Him?

That means I'm going to trust Him,

and I'm going to take Him at His word,

and I'm going to strive trusting Him

and just holding on to these promises.

I'm going to strive to
do what His Word says.

That's the wise man who
builds his house on the rock.

He hears what Christ commands

and he does them, over
against the foolish man

who hears and doesn't do it.

Why? He's waiting for something to happen.

He's waiting for an experience
like he wants to have happen.

He wants to know he's saved

before he's actually saved.

He wants to feel that he's elect

before he's actually embraced Christ.

There's too many people like that.

They hear about the doctrines of grace

and they get all hung up.

But it's the same to all of us.

Jesus comes along and He says

just like He said to Peter,

He said it to John, He said to Matthew,

He said it to the rich young ruler -

He said, "Follow Me."

You notice He never got into a discourse

about: do you feel elect?

He never got into a discourse

about whether you feel anything.

He doesn't say,
"how do you feel right now?"

"Do you feel really
convicted by your sin?"

"Has there been sufficient law work?"

Look, I recognize that
He brought up the law

with the rich young ruler,

but you know, I'm not really convinced

that He was primarily interested

in staying there on the law

until there had been sufficient law work.

(incomplete thought)

He didn't even challenge him.

You would have thought this.

If Jesus really was wanting to do

a deep law work primarily
in the rich young ruler,

wouldn't He have stopped and said,

"Oh, you just said all
these things you've done

from your youth up, but you haven't."

You know what? Jesus didn't even

call the guy on it.

He just went with the flow.

Okay. Okay, you've done all that.

"Well, you lack one thing still."

He didn't say,
"Oh no, you lack all of it."

"You've been a liar..."

He didn't jump on the
Ray Comfort bandwagon

and say, "have you lied?"

He didn't do that.

Yes, He brought up the law,

but He didn't even stick there.

And He didn't call the guy out on it.

What He did was He went even further

and He said okay, we'll allow that.

But one thing you lack.

What's that?

"Well, you go sell it all and
you come follow Me."

He wasn't asking him about how he felt.

You see, it was all on
the table right there.

Are you going to trust Me?

You come follow Me,

and you'll have treasure in heaven.

You know what He's
asking him to do? Trust Him.

He wasn't saying, "Do you feel elect?"

"Do you feel appropriately law work

and Holy Spirit conviction?"

It wasn't that, because you know what?

We're not saved by that.

We're saved by trusting
the promises of Christ.

"You come follow Me.

You'll have treasure in heaven."

And you know what?

To have followed Him right
there would have been life.

And he would have had it

despite how he felt.

I don't know what Matthew felt,

but I'm sure as he followed Christ,

God met with him.

I'm sure there was joy.

I'm sure all sorts of
good things happened.

You know what Scripture says?

"Without faith it's
impossible to please God."

Faith. Faith is casting yourself

on His promises.

Can anybody do that?

You say, I know you have to be born again.

But where does Scripture say,

"Well, you need to feel born again

before you can trust Christ"?

It doesn't say that.

In fact, even where He's
speaking to Nicodemus

and He says, "you must be born again,"

where does He go?

He doesn't say, "Now, Nicodemus,

there's absolutely nothing you can do.

You better sit up there
in that burning window

and, like this guy says -

"I can do nothing unless
God brings it on."

So, Nicodemus, stand up there

in that burning window

until God brings it on.

But you see where Jesus goes?

It's just like the serpent was lifted up

in the wilderness. What?

If you look, you'll live.

You'll be healed.

He goes right into faith.

It's taking Him at His word.

Now look, if you say,

"Nope. I can't take Him at His word.

I need to feel elect.

I need to feel that He's done a work.

I need to feel He's made me alive.

I need to feel Holy Spirit conviction.

I need to feel an appropriate law work."

All you're doing is giving an excuse

for why you will not believe Him.

And you will perish in that window.

The only way to be saved is to jump

and land right on His promises.

That's the only place of safety.

Faith saves.

No amount of conviction saves.

Christ saves.

Faith is what leaps upon His promises.

You see, when Matthew
got up from that table

he was saying that's it.

If this guy doesn't come through,

I've just lost my livelihood.

I'm banking everything on Him.

That's a safe place to be.

Because if you bank everything on Him

and you follow Him,

you'll not be ashamed.

I have it on the authority of God's Word.

You will not be ashamed.

But you stand up there in that window

refusing to trust Him,

you're going to die and go to hell.

Be sure of it.

The only way to be saved is jump.

And He's got arms that can hold you.

He never dropped one yet

who's trusted Him.

Not a single one.

Oh Father, I pray that some good

would have come from
the Bible study tonight.

Make it helpful to somebody.

Make it profitable.

Lord, Your Word is good. It's safe.

I pray these things in Christ's name,

Amen.