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House Church But Not Like You Think

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    Welcome to this video!
    I'm so excited to talk about church here.
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    I have Justin, I have Brook,
    and we have little Zion with us,
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    the youngest of four kids.
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    And we want to talk about church.
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    I have just come out with a new book
    called "The Call of Jesus"
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    and I'm just excited about it. And I really
    believe it's time to see a new movement,
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    when it comes to seeing new, organic,
    powerful house fellowships start.
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    We will hear their story,
    what they have seen.
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    I want to say that, many years ago,
    when I got introduced to the house church,
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    organic church, simple church,
    it has many names.
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    I was a part of a network of Simple church
    in Europe, before we came to America.
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    There were many, many things
    that were good,
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    but when I took a turn around,
    much of this,
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    I felt there was something that was
    missing
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    and some of the things I saw,
    in some of those circles,
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    we talk so much about the importance
    of having an organic structure.
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    And I believe in that.
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    But, we didn't talk so much about
    the wine you put into the wineskins.
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    You can have a good wineskin, but
    if you put a wrong wine in it,
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    it doesn't change anything.
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    And what I really see now,
    I hope it will be clear in my new book,
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    it's really first and foremost about the life.
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    It's about the gospel, it's about discipleship,
    it's about setting people truly free,
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    healing the sick, casting out demons
    and all of that,
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    but when that is correct,
    if you then put it in the old system,
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    you will break it.
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    But if you put it in the good structure,
    you will multiply it.
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    And this is what we want to talk about here.
    I hope you are ready.
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    You have an amazing story.
    You experienced God.
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    You have been on a mission trip in Africa
    and Nepal. You've been all over.
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    But 18 months ago you really started
    with house fellowships.
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    The focus was not house fellowships.
    The focus was: let's make disciples.
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    Can you say what brought you there
    and then a little what have happened?
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    We noticed that there was lack in people,
    in the body of Christ, actually, obeying Jesus.
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    That it was very knowledge based.
    So we took it, kind of upon ourselves.
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    We felt the Lord was asking us to bring
    people in our home for discipleship,
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    which later ended up forming into
    actual churches,
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    which is great because the command
    is to make disciples.
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    So, when we brought people in
    we realized that there was a lack
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    in a lot of just a foundations
    of the faith.
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    Not only people didn't understand
    how to share their own faith,
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    they had not experienced parts
    of the gospel themselves.
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    And so, one of the most important
    things, that I think,
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    is needs to be discussed,
    it needs to be brought up,
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    whether you're speaking with individual
    or a group, a community of faith,
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    is the gospel itself.
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    To make sure that everybody has fully
    walked through repentance towards God,
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    that they have received the Holy Spirit,
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    that they've cut off the old life
    through water baptism, all those things,
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    and once they've experienced those things,
    they become stable,
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    then you can begin to equip and train
    to go out in ministry.
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    - So, you, actually, met with church people?
    - Yes.
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    And you saw church people got what
    they were lacking.
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    It could be repentance, for some people
    it could be true baptism, lay down the old life,
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    it could be the Holy Spirit, or they walked
    with unforgiveness and hurt in their lives
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    and they need to put it off
    and they need deliverance.
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    And then you started to see people
    get set free. Is that correct?
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    That's right.
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    And you started to meet
    and it just started to grow?
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    Yeah, absolutely.
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    We started meeting with individuals.
    Once they would get that foundation laid
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    and naturally the thing that takes
    place after that is
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    they start to want to share
    with other people.
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    And we encouraged that.
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    Like, now you freely have been given,
    so freely go give out what you've been given.
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    You can't keep it for yourself.
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    So, we would teach and equip
    on the things of practical ways
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    you can go and share what just
    took place in your life,
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    and help them understand the gospel
    and help them feel comfortable
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    on how to share that with people,
    so it starts with family members
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    and friends, and things like that.
    in the matter of weeks we were seeing
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    multiplication take place. And so that
    person in this original group
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    that we started with, we would say:
    Now it's your turn to take those people
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    into your home. Don't bring them back here,
    so where we can become a big church
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    in a matter of weeks. Take them into
    their home or into your home,
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    lay the foundation of the gospel,
    make sure they're born again properly,
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    and then you start to lead them.
    All you have to do is be slightly farther
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    than the person that you're discipling.
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    And if you don't know the question
    they have, you have others who do.
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    So you come to them
    and you ask questions.
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    The last 18 years you have started
    nine fellowships and it's growing...
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    18 months.
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    18 months, sorry. So, in 18 months
    nine fellowships and it's growing.
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    One thing that really needs to be there,
    is what we read in the Bible,
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    the early disciples were forbidden
    to tell about Jesus,
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    but they said: We cannot stop telling
    about what we've seen and heard.
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    The woman at the well, she ran down
    and told everyone in Samaria:
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    Hey, I met a guy who told me everything,
    who I am.
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    And there was excitement when people
    really experienced that true life.
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    And that needs to be the foundation.
    That is the wine - that true life.
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    And if you study the house church movement
    in China,
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    I know that 90% of all of those,
    when they started, many years ago,
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    they were like evangelists, because
    they could not stop telling about it.
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    So, it's not like: Hey, now we take
    church people and we need to just
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    whip them and say:
    You have to tell about Jesus.
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    No, we take church people,
    we get them soundly saved and born again
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    and excited about the life, and then
    the growth, somehow, happens automatically.
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    So, how did the growth start to happen?
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    Is it from person to person,
    relationships?
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    Yes. Many times through relationships,
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    but the thing I want to speak about also
    is that...
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    In all of the excitement in the beginning,
    when people were being set free,
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    in the fellowship church people
    being set free, filled with the Holy Spirit,
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    delivered, all those things,
    it's very exciting,
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    but once everybody is stable,
    if you don't share this message
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    with your community, if you don't continue
    to see the power of God work through,
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    becomes very boring, because your
    eyes begin to turn towards yourself.
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    And what we've noticed is that, they had
    a certain period of time after some months,
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    where everybody was stable, where we
    had to make sure that
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    when we came together,
    our focus was on Jesus Christ.
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    And when our focus was on Jesus Christ
    being in our meetings,
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    He would remind us of the mission.
    And that mission is not church.
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    Right? The church, actually, has a mission.
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    So, the whole goal is not for us
    to just get together.
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    It's to get together so we can
    encourage, edify and equip each other
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    in the presence of Christ and go out
    and share the gospel with the world.
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    In the introduction in my book
    "The Call of Jesus" I talk about three things;
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    I talk about the church, the mission
    and Christ.
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    That very often we start with the church,
    and our system, and our culture,
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    and traditions of men, and out of that
    church building,
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    with everything that comes with it,
    we think: Oh, we ought to do mission,
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    and in the middle of mission...
    because it's in the box now,
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    we forget Christ.
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    But if we turn upside down,
    and we start with Christ...
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    you can never look at Christ and say:
    Oh, I have seen it all.
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    There is always excitement.
    There is always something new.
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    And then it's about Him and obeying Him
    and following Him,
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    and then we do mission,
    not in our way, but in His way,
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    and we will automatically end up
    with church.
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    And also what you said,
    it was not like...
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    Jesus has not said: Go out, do church.
    And maybe disciple those people.
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    He said: Go out, make disciples,
    and I will build my church.
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    It was your focus in the beginning.
    It was just like, how do we disciple people,
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    how do we build people up,
    and you saw how Jesus was building
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    them as living stones together.
    - That's right.
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    How did it look like? Can you come
    with an example how one person
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    knew somebody, and knew somebody,
    and how it forms?
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    We had a time where we started
    with this group of five couples
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    and we were meeting together,
    and we made sure they were born again,
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    and like you said: Christ was the forefront,
    your relationship with Him,
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    and now you have a mission to go out
    into the world and to make disciples of yourself
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    and then the church faith formed,
    so once we had those three revelations,
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    it just naturally took place.
    So, for instance, we had one couple
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    who started to share with their parents.
    And their parents were like:
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    Okay, we want to know more.
    So they had us come over.
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    And we shared with their parents
    what was going on, and eventually,
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    their parents got delivered and born again.
    And now in that group of people
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    those parents are meeting with their
    children and they are now multiplying
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    and that person there were two parents,
    they are in traditional church right now,
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    she's actually has a paid position
    in the church and she's stepping down,
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    and she's actually taught sharing
    her faith with her neighbor
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    and other people in the church,
    and they're like: Tell me more.
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    And they're becoming interested.
    And out of that a natural family is birthed,
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    in that place. So, that's hoped to happen
    over and over again.
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    One family, we went into their home,
    we started ministering and talking
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    to them about what is church.
    Like, church is not a building,
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    it's not an event. You are the church.
    So, why do you go to church
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    and do these rituals and these
    traditions that nullify the Word of God?
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    You have to, actually, take what
    you're learning in the Scriptures
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    and give it to other people's lives.
    And they're like: We have seven couples
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    that I know would wanna do this.
    And I said: Meet with them,
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    break bread with them,
    take communion with them,
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    speak about holiness, speak about
    the gospel and see what will happen.
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    So, they brought them in and started
    relationship with these couples.
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    And then they asked us to come in and lay
    a foundation of the gospel, so we did.
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    And some of these people were like
    deacons in churches.
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    And they are repenting for the first time
    in their lives.
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    They're being baptized.
    They're getting delivered.
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    And right there you have a group
    of 20 people meeting together,
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    all set free, all filled with the Holy Spirit,
    of one truth, and now they are multiplying.
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    That group, there's two couples in there
    that are ready to make disciples
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    and they are staring their own groups
    that we have nothing to do with.
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    Because we don't know those people.
    Those people aren't gonna listen to us.
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    They don't know who we are.
    So the people that are leading that group
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    are gonna help these disciples start
    their own fellowship.
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    And that's how it naturally multiplies
    and it starts slow in the beginning,
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    because of small in number, but
    when multiplication gets bigger in number,
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    it's a mass number,
    that comes to know Christ.
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    And these aren't just half-hearted
    disciples.
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    They are fully sold out surrendered
    people who are ready
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    to take the Great Commission
    to the ends of the earth.
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    And it starts in one place.
    So, it's exciting.
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    You said so many amazing things here.
    I want to say, it started here, with...
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    - Obedience with two people.
    - Two people.
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    Those two people had something
    you don't have.
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    They had a relationship.
    They had a circle of people around them.
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    But you had something those two people
    did not have.
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    You have the know-how and knowledge.
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    And that became a beautiful contact point,
    where they had the relationship,
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    you have the knowledge,
    and you come together, and you go in,
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    and you impact their network.
    Their network get influenced
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    and they get discipled at the same time,
    because they see how you're doing,
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    and then they have a network.
    And it's spreading from this.
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    I talk about that in my book.
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    I believe we are called to go out
    and find a person of peace. Jesus said that.
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    But He also said: When you find
    a person of peace, stay in their house.
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    - Don't move from house to house.
    - That's right.
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    Because when we come into a household,
    oikos or network,
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    we want to impact everyone in that network.
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    I believe in going out on the street, but
    if you already have people
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    you are working with in your network,
    don't leave them and go out
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    to try to build new relationships,
    when you have people there.
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    Because out on the street
    it can be difficult,
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    because there is that skepticism
    and you first need to build that relationship.
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    - And it's not natural. - No.
    - Relationship is natural.
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    So, I would say, work with what you have,
    work with what you have,
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    but if you suddenly come to a stop
    and there is no more to build
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    within that relationship, then you need
    to go out and build new relationships.
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    But when you have relationship,
    work with relationship,
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    from person to person,
    from person to person.
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    And Jesus even says, like, look up,
    the harvest is plentiful,
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    but the laborers are few.
    So, find the laborer.
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    Where you're gonna find them?
    In the harvest.
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    So you find that laborer, in the harvest,
    you give them everything you have,
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    and that person will reap of the harvest
    of 30,
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    and the next will reap the harvest of 60,
    and of 100,
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    and it all goes to credit back to where
    it started,
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    but no one knows where it started from.
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    But that's the beauty of multiplication.
    And that's what Jesus would do.
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    If you just partner with what He's already
    spoken and commanded,
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    He'll breathe life onto that
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    and that will become a movement.
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    But if we sit here, like:
    What is my call? What am I called to do?
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    Okay, I got this special call.
    God, come bless this call on my life,
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    that I came up with, He won't bless that.
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    Bless, get a partnership and get
    doing what He already blessed.
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    And He said: Go make disciples.
    You build the people, He'll build the church.
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    It's as simple as that.
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    Keep it simple in that way, like you said;
    the gospel, the gospel every time.
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    The gospel. And then, what you said also,
    it was good, go, meet with them,
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    break the bread, communion,
    break the bread.
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    Have fellowship where you come
    together, you eat together.
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    There is something in connecting people.
    Jesus said: When you go to a house,
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    eat and drink what they serve.
    But not only eating and drinking.
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    It's also a point where you really
    focus on God and the mission,
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    why are we here, and then you start
    to minister.
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    And you can do that. It went from...
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    How do you do it, because sometimes
    you get many relationships, at one time,
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    but very often is also just one
    relationship, and one relationship,
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    and one relationship, and then
    you end up with many.
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    How did you see this go?
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    Lot of times that'll be with one person
    or one couple,
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    and we'll continue to meet with them
    one on one, or as a couple,
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    figuring out where they're at,
    helping them to get on their feet,
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    giving them tools necessary to get
    their foundations.
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    But a lot of times, while we're doing that,
    God will have another couple here,
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    and another person here, and here,
    and then every single time
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    He will bring them together. Sometimes
    there'll be relationships
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    we didn't even know they knew each other
    three years ago.
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    So, when God brings this group together,
    like, we're discipling,
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    and then He build, and He does it,
    and He places it together.
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    I pray every single day Lord of the harvest,
    at 10:02, Lord of the harvest,
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    sent forth laborers, and that prayer
    is answered because He sends people,
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    we disciple them, point them to Jesus,
    teach them how to obey,
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    and He brings them together.
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    And all we have to do is say: Yeah, okay.
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    And the beauty of when you bring them
    together, you stir one another up to
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    a good work. Because if you come together
    just to eat bread,
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    you don't go out want to save the world.
    But we have one girl in our fellowship,
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    we did two nights ago, she said:
    When I leave here,
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    I am ready to take on the world,
    because I know I'm capable,
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    because I've been poured into,
    I've been edified, I've been stirred up,
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    and now I need to go out make
    a disciple on my life.
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    And my eyes are open: Who is ready?
    Who is hungry?
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    And that person then reproduces
    in someone else's life.
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    If you have a group of 100 people
    in a traditional church and you said:
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    How many here want to be a pastor
    in a megachurch? Up with your hands.
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    Work, administration, money,
    responsibilities, stress.
  • 16:06 - 16:10
    95% of all pastors are getting stressful.
    Who wants that job?
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    But if you then say: Who can find one person
    and lead that one person to Christ?
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    I also say it very clear in the book.
    You already know them, very often.
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    When you say to people:
    You already know them.
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    They are in your atmosphere.
    They are in your network right now.
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    Ask God: Who is it?
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    Sometimes it's a total sinner.
    Sometimes is a believer who needs repentance.
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    Sometimes is a repentant person
    who needs baptism.
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    Sometimes is baptized person
    who needs the Holy Spirit.
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    And when you give them the missing piece,
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    it's spreading and life is growing.
  • 16:45 - 16:48
    The question will always be, and I think
    that is the challenge
  • 16:48 - 16:53
    and we need to keep it simple, but
    many people always want to know in details
  • 16:53 - 16:59
    like, how do you do it?
    Our focus is not so much how we do it.
  • 16:59 - 17:05
    Our focus is not the details.
    Our focus is the person...
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    and how do you bring that person
    to life.
  • 17:08 - 17:11
    - That's right. To maturity.
    - Yeah, To maturity.
  • 17:11 - 17:15
    Say a little more about how does
    your life look like.
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    How does your week look like?
    How does it look like practically?
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    And also, when you come together
    and meet? How does it look like?
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    The number one thing, for us, personally,
    is that we like to teach people.
  • 17:27 - 17:30
    When you come together
    as a community of faith,
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    the main difference in the traditional
    setting of church
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    and the meetings in the homes is,
    as Paul teaches the Corinthians
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    and instructs them:
    everybody has something to bring.
  • 17:39 - 17:44
    So, in that case, if you're not prepared
    with your intimate relationship
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    with Christ throughout the week,
    then you have nothing to bring to our group,
  • 17:47 - 17:50
    and then we all lack because the piece
    of the puzzle is missing.
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    And so, for us, cultivating an intimate
    relationship with Christ throughout the week,
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    we have four children, we homeschool
    due all these things,
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    but we also have to learn how to be
    in constant community with the Lord,
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    listening to Him,
    praying throughout the day.
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    I need to say something,
    because we talked about that.
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    What is important, when we talk
    about everyone has something to share,
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    is in the context of believers now.
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    Because the problem is church has been
    a place where many non-believers come
  • 18:19 - 18:22
    and if you let everyone share
    where they don't have the Spirit...
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    It can go like that.
    So, when we talk about church,
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    God spoke very clear to you
    about the wolf and the sheep.
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    Can you share that also?
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    We had just come back from Norway.
    I was very sleep deprived.
  • 18:36 - 18:39
    My good girlfriend calls me and says:
    I'm having my baby nine weeks early.
  • 18:39 - 18:43
    So, I go to the hospital, jet-legged,
    but sometimes when you're very depleted,
  • 18:43 - 18:47
    you're very sensitive to the Spirit.
    I hadn't eaten a few days,
  • 18:47 - 18:49
    I hadn't slept in a few days,
    and I'm walking to the hospital,
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    and I literally heard in my Spirit:
    the wolves were never meant to be
  • 18:53 - 18:56
    invited amongst the sheep.
    And I'm like: Lord, if this is You.
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    I need You to tell me what this means.
  • 18:58 - 19:01
    And about a day later, we're in the same
    town, he's staying in a hotel
  • 19:01 - 19:04
    a couple miles away, while I'm helping
    my friend in the hospital,
  • 19:04 - 19:07
    and He said: what do you think about
    non-believers being invited into the church?
  • 19:07 - 19:10
    And I said: That's what that meant?
  • 19:10 - 19:12
    And so I start to dig through the Scriptures
    and like:
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    What does it look like, Lord?
    What, first of all, is church?
  • 19:14 - 19:19
    And why are wolves are not supposed
    to be in the midst of it?
  • 19:19 - 19:22
    And He said, He started took me to
    the 1 Corinthians,
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    where he talks about the unbelievers
    stumbling into the congregation.
  • 19:27 - 19:31
    And instead of, like, speak in tongues
    and prophesy,
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    in hopes that man's heart would be
    exposed,
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    that he'll repent and turn towards the Lord,
    and I said: It said - stumble in,
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    not - invited in. And then I looked
    at other scriptures that talk about
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    the church is for the believer to
    come in and to be built up,
  • 19:44 - 19:48
    to be stirred up, to be equipped
    to go out into the work of the ministry,
  • 19:48 - 19:50
    they share the gospel,
    they evangelize,
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    and when that person receives the Spirit,
    okay, it's safe to bring them in
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    and then equip them, and to edify them,
    and to stir them up, and teach them
  • 19:57 - 20:02
    how to go out and do the same, because
    if you invite all these different spirits in,
  • 20:03 - 20:05
    you've got a bunch of different spirits
    entertaining each other,
  • 20:05 - 20:09
    that are not of Christ. And people get
    confused of what is truly the Holy Spirit
  • 20:09 - 20:11
    and what is not.
  • 20:11 - 20:14
    What we want to see, what we really
    believe in,
  • 20:14 - 20:17
    church is for believers come together,
    edifying each other.
  • 20:17 - 20:20
    And there is so important to be edified,
    that you need to learn
  • 20:20 - 20:22
    that everyone has something to give.
  • 20:22 - 20:25
    And you grow up and you build each other,
  • 20:25 - 20:28
    and the way you grow mostly is by giving
    and doing.
  • 20:28 - 20:30
    And then you grow up.
  • 20:31 - 20:34
    If a non-believer... Let's say there is
    somebody who invites a few people in,
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    it's fine, but then don't do what you
    normally do.
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    Sit down with them. Share the gospel.
    Say: hey, we have two people,
  • 20:41 - 20:44
    John brought two friends with him
    today.
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    Hey, come in. Hey, hi! This is who we are.
    This is what we are doing.
  • 20:49 - 20:52
    One day I came to a park, and a mom
    was there, and the Lord said:
  • 20:52 - 20:55
    You're gonna talk to her.
    So, I go to her. I started talking.
  • 20:55 - 20:58
    I said: Who are you? Who do you do?
    She said: We've just moved here from
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    Delaware, because the Lord wants us
    to start house churches,
  • 21:01 - 21:04
    or to be involved in one. And I'm like:
    This is too easy.
  • 21:04 - 21:07
    She said: What do you and your husband do?
    I said: Well, we start house churches.
  • 21:07 - 21:10
    And I said: We actually have one tonight.
    You should come. So they came.
  • 21:10 - 21:13
    And we set them down, we broke bread
    together, we took community together,
  • 21:13 - 21:15
    we sat down.
    We said: Now, tell us your story.
  • 21:15 - 21:17
    And the whole fellowship's there.
  • 21:17 - 21:20
    And they shared their story.
    I was 13, I got baptized when I was 14,
  • 21:20 - 21:24
    and I'm just kind of lived cool life.
    I've helped in the church a little bit
  • 21:24 - 21:26
    here and there, my husband was
    a youth pastor for a couple of years.
  • 21:26 - 21:28
    Now he is a construction worker.
  • 21:28 - 21:30
    I'm like: Did you ever received
    the Holy Spirit?
  • 21:30 - 21:31
    And they're like:
    What are you talking about?
  • 21:31 - 21:35
    And I said: Let us share our stories.
    So, my mom shared her story.
  • 21:35 - 21:37
    She was in that fellowship.
  • 21:37 - 21:39
    You break the program and you focus
    on them, where they are.
  • 21:39 - 21:42
    We share our story and then we get
    into the Book of Acts 18 and 19,
  • 21:42 - 21:46
    where people had been repented,
    but never received the Spirit.
  • 21:46 - 21:48
    And after that, they're like:
    We have a lot to think about.
  • 21:48 - 21:51
    I said: Absolutely.
    They're like: Can we read this first
  • 21:51 - 21:54
    and come back, and partake in
    what you're talking about?
  • 21:54 - 21:55
    We said: Absolutely.
  • 21:55 - 21:57
    So, they did not receive the Spirit
    that night, but they know
  • 21:57 - 22:00
    that they're lacking the Spirit.
    And that they can't be for it
  • 22:00 - 22:02
    until they received the Spirit of God.
  • 22:02 - 22:05
    So, when they come back,
    that'll be the next question: Are you ready?
  • 22:05 - 22:07
    It's for us to lay hand on you,
    for you to receive the Spirit.
  • 22:08 - 22:14
    What I often do if we go to small setting,
    I'm praying, God what do You want us to share?
  • 22:14 - 22:17
    But then, when you come there and
    you see the people, sometimes you see,
  • 22:17 - 22:21
    okay, it's something else today.
    Because those people came in.
  • 22:21 - 22:26
    Today it's just us. Let's break the bread.
    Let's do what we do.
  • 22:26 - 22:30
    Because we are now together
    to equip each other.
  • 22:31 - 22:35
    Now you have seen many fellowships
    start, so your life is like
  • 22:35 - 22:38
    going from fellowship to fellowship
    and help,
  • 22:38 - 22:41
    and some of them is now breaking
    more off,
  • 22:41 - 22:45
    because they have grown to maturity.
    Can you tell a little how does it look?
  • 22:47 - 22:51
    When we go in, our goal is not to make
    them dependent on us.
  • 22:51 - 22:55
    It's, actually, give them equipping
    and everything we can possibly do
  • 22:55 - 22:59
    to serve them, so they can get to a place
    to where they are completely
  • 22:59 - 23:02
    dependent on Christ, the Holy Spirit
    and each other.
  • 23:02 - 23:06
    And once they do that, then we want
    to back off.
  • 23:06 - 23:09
    It's just like a relationship with
    your children or parents and children.
  • 23:09 - 23:11
    Right? Eventually, you don't want
    them to be dependent on you.
  • 23:11 - 23:15
    They need to be creating and starting
    their own families. Same thing.
  • 23:15 - 23:17
    That could take three months with a group,
    six months.
  • 23:17 - 23:20
    It came take over a year with a group.
    It's different for every group.
  • 23:20 - 23:25
    So weekly we go in, Sunday to Sunday,
  • 23:25 - 23:27
    we meet with about five groups
    right now.
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    There's two groups that are becoming
    very mature
  • 23:29 - 23:33
    and so we only meet like once a week.
    Once a month, twice a month, right now.
  • 23:33 - 23:36
    And so, eventually, they're actually
    doing their own thing
  • 23:36 - 23:38
    and they're actually obeying Christ
    on the weekly basis,
  • 23:38 - 23:40
    on the daily basis, living in holiness,
  • 23:40 - 23:43
    and they're multiplying on their own.
  • 23:43 - 23:45
    So, weekly that's what we do.
  • 23:45 - 23:49
    Somebody asked us the other week,
    like, do you get exhausted with what you do?
  • 23:49 - 23:51
    I said:
    We've cut out everything in our lives
  • 23:51 - 23:53
    that have nothing to do
    with the Kingdom of God.
  • 23:53 - 23:56
    So, all that we have left in this life
    is to pursue the Kingdom,
  • 23:56 - 23:59
    to seek first the Kingdom of God
    and everything will be added to us.
  • 23:59 - 24:01
    So, our finances are added to us,
  • 24:01 - 24:05
    our endurance is added to us,
    our strength is added to us.
  • 24:05 - 24:09
    and the ability to actually do something
    that is bearing fruit,
  • 24:09 - 24:11
    not just in this life,
    but in the life to come.
  • 24:11 - 24:13
    I don't want to go empty handed,
    you know.
  • 24:13 - 24:16
    So, that's kind of what this life
    has looked like.
  • 24:16 - 24:19
    It has Jesus provides, because we no longer
    can work, because we're so busy
  • 24:19 - 24:22
    advancing the Kingdom. But He's
    provided the home,
  • 24:22 - 24:27
    He's provided vehicles, He's provided
    sum of income for us to live off of,
  • 24:27 - 24:30
    not so that we can become wealthy
    and seek the things of this world.
  • 24:30 - 24:33
    This is the last thing I want.
    I'm detached from that stuff.
  • 24:33 - 24:36
    But that I can still live, and there's
    tools and resources
  • 24:36 - 24:38
    to advance the Kingdom of God.
  • 24:39 - 24:41
    When we look at Luke 10, where
    Jesus said:
  • 24:41 - 24:47
    Don't take extra purse with you,
    laborer is worth his wages, all of that,
  • 24:47 - 24:48
    you can testify that also?
    - That's right.
  • 24:49 - 24:54
    And you actually don't need to have
    a website and a ministry, all of that.
  • 24:54 - 24:58
    But the resources are often
    in the harvest.
  • 24:58 - 25:03
    When we start to lead people to Christ
    and start to see people build up,
  • 25:04 - 25:08
    there is provision, there are resources,
    there is what we need.
  • 25:08 - 25:11
    And also, what they say, I think it's
    important,
  • 25:12 - 25:14
    I talk much about church as a family,
  • 25:15 - 25:19
    now he is a young boy, you have
    four smaller kids,
  • 25:19 - 25:24
    I have kids who are now 15 and 18.
    And I have grandkids.
  • 25:24 - 25:28
    If we look all the levels,
    there are times where there's more work.
  • 25:28 - 25:32
    There are times, of course, when
    you don't get so much sleep in the night.
  • 25:33 - 25:37
    But, the whole reason we're getting kids
    is not for them to remain like that.
  • 25:37 - 25:41
    It's to build them up. And then
    there is time where you have more fun with them,
  • 25:42 - 25:46
    when you have fun with them and do
    funny things,
  • 25:46 - 25:48
    and they are independent.
    That can actually be of help.
  • 25:48 - 25:50
    Like your son is already helping with him.
  • 25:50 - 25:55
    And then there is time where I'm in,
    where they are really independent, in many ways,
  • 25:55 - 26:00
    and you need to let go.
    And it was hard with our son,
  • 26:00 - 26:04
    because I want to be with my son,
    but I just know that
  • 26:04 - 26:09
    for him to be independent from me
    I need to let go.
  • 26:09 - 26:14
    And the Bible says, we know
    it's not good for man to be alone.
  • 26:14 - 26:17
    He needs to leave his mom and dad,
    but I can turn around,
  • 26:17 - 26:20
    it's not good to be with mom and dad
    for the rest of your life.
  • 26:20 - 26:26
    So, there is that letting go,
    and now our son has his kids,
  • 26:26 - 26:28
    and I love our grandkids.
    I miss them and it's so fun.
  • 26:28 - 26:32
    I'm in the funny place with my grandkids,
    oh, they are so cute,
  • 26:32 - 26:36
    like him, and so on, but then...
    (smelling a poop)... oh...
  • 26:36 - 26:38
    And then they care of it.
  • 26:38 - 26:42
    And I think, as it is in the natural,
    we see it in the spiritual.
  • 26:42 - 26:48
    In the natural there is a period
    of 18 years and they move from home.
  • 26:48 - 26:51
    In the spiritual, I think, it depends
    on people,
  • 26:51 - 26:57
    it depends on the background,
    if people come from very destroyed background
  • 26:57 - 27:00
    there is something, they need, of course,
    deliverance, can happen,
  • 27:00 - 27:03
    but renewing the mind and building up,
    it takes longer time,
  • 27:03 - 27:08
    or they come from another background.
    But you say like a half year, a year,
  • 27:08 - 27:10
    and then they are ready to move on.
  • 27:10 - 27:14
    Oh yeah. If you're going too long,
    there is no reproduction.
  • 27:15 - 27:18
    We would have to trust them.
    This is the same as you...
  • 27:18 - 27:21
    If your children were 16 years old,
    still living in your basement,
  • 27:21 - 27:24
    you would address that, because it's not
    what's naturally supposed to take place.
  • 27:24 - 27:29
    If you have an apple tree out there
    and it hasn't bore fruit one year
  • 27:29 - 27:32
    or two years, you start to prune it
    down, you have to work with it,
  • 27:32 - 27:36
    something is wrong, if it doesn't continue
    bearing fruit, or starts to bear fruit,
  • 27:36 - 27:38
    cut it down and plant a new one.
  • 27:38 - 27:40
    That's right.
  • 27:40 - 27:42
    That is biblical.
  • 27:42 - 27:47
    It's so beautiful to hear what God is doing.
    I want to say that this is for everyone.
  • 27:47 - 27:51
    This is the call of Jesus.
    This is what He has called us to,
  • 27:51 - 27:53
    is what He has called you to.
  • 27:53 - 27:57
    If you are a disciple of Christ,
    to be a disciple is to deny ourselves,
  • 27:57 - 27:59
    take up the cross and follow Him.
  • 27:59 - 28:02
    It's to repent, get baptized,
    receive the Holy Spirit
  • 28:02 - 28:07
    and being taught to obey everything
    He has commanded us.
  • 28:07 - 28:11
    And everything is everything.
    And this is what we see here.
  • 28:11 - 28:15
    And I really want to encourage you
    to go for this and live this life.
  • 28:16 - 28:19
    Thank you so much for sharing.
    We have other videos
  • 28:19 - 28:24
    where we are talking more in details
    about...
  • 28:24 - 28:28
    how God is the provider, we are talking
    more in details about
  • 28:28 - 28:32
    why the gospel is important,
    we are talking more in details
  • 28:32 - 28:34
    about some of the things
    you've been sharing
  • 28:34 - 28:36
    and I also have in my book.
  • 28:36 - 28:38
    So, see the other videos.
    Read the book
  • 28:38 - 28:40
    and start to obey Jesus in His call.
  • 28:40 - 28:41
    God bless you!
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House Church But Not Like You Think
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