What happens when a city runs out of room for its dead
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0:01 - 0:05So, I have an overlooked
but potentially lucrative -
0:05 - 0:07investment opportunity for you.
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0:08 - 0:11Over the past 10 years in the UK,
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0:11 - 0:14the return on burial plots
has outperformed the UK property market -
0:14 - 0:17by a ratio of around three to one.
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0:18 - 0:22There are private cemeteries being set up
with plots for sale to investors, -
0:22 - 0:25and they start at around 3,900 pounds.
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0:25 - 0:28And they're projected to achieve
about 40 percent growth. -
0:28 - 0:34The biggest advantage is that this
is a market with continuous demand. -
0:36 - 0:38Now, this is a real proposition,
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0:38 - 0:43and there are companies out there
that really are offering this investment, -
0:43 - 0:45but my interest in it is quite different.
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0:46 - 0:48I'm an architect and urban designer,
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0:48 - 0:49and for the past year and a half,
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0:49 - 0:52I've been looking at approaches
to death and dying -
0:52 - 0:56and at how they've shaped our cities
and the buildings within them. -
0:57 - 1:00So in the summer,
I did my first exhibition -
1:00 - 1:02on death and architecture in Venice,
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1:02 - 1:04and it was called "Death in Venice."
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1:05 - 1:07And because death is a subject
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1:07 - 1:10that many of us find quite
uncomfortable to talk about, -
1:10 - 1:12the exhibition was designed
to be quite playful, -
1:12 - 1:15so that people would
literally engage with it. -
1:15 - 1:18So one of our exhibits
was an interactive map of London -
1:18 - 1:21which showed just how much
of the real estate in the city -
1:21 - 1:23is given over to death.
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1:23 - 1:26As you wave your hand across the map,
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1:26 - 1:29the name of the piece of real estate --
the building or the cemetery -- -
1:29 - 1:30is revealed.
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1:31 - 1:33And those white shapes that you can see,
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1:33 - 1:36they're all of the hospitals and hospices
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1:36 - 1:39and mortuaries and cemeteries in the city.
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1:39 - 1:41In fact, the majority are cemeteries.
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1:42 - 1:46We wanted to show that, even though
death and burial are things -
1:46 - 1:48that we might not think about,
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1:48 - 1:51they're all around us, and they're
important parts of our cities. -
1:52 - 1:56So about half a million people
die in the UK each year, -
1:57 - 2:00and of those, around a quarter
will want to be buried. -
2:00 - 2:04But the UK, like many
Western European countries, -
2:04 - 2:05is running out of burial space,
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2:05 - 2:07especially in the major cities.
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2:08 - 2:11And the Greater London Authority
has been aware of this for a while, -
2:11 - 2:15and the main causes are population growth,
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2:15 - 2:18the fact that existing
cemeteries are almost full. -
2:18 - 2:22There's a custom in the UK that graves
are considered to be occupied forever, -
2:22 - 2:26and there's also development pressure --
people want to use that same land -
2:26 - 2:29to build houses or offices or shops.
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2:30 - 2:32So they came up with a few solutions.
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2:32 - 2:36They were like, well, maybe we can
reuse those graves after 50 years. -
2:36 - 2:38Or maybe we can bury people,
like, four deep, -
2:38 - 2:41so that four people can be buried
in the same plot, -
2:41 - 2:44and we can make more efficient use
of the land that way, -
2:44 - 2:47and in that way, hopefully London
will still have space to bury people -
2:47 - 2:48in the near future.
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2:49 - 2:52But, traditionally, cemeteries
haven't been taken care of -
2:52 - 2:54by the local authority.
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2:54 - 2:57In fact, the surprising thing is that
there's no legal obligation -
2:57 - 3:00on anyone in the UK
to provide burial space. -
3:00 - 3:05Traditionally, it's been done
by private and religious organizations, -
3:05 - 3:08like churches and mosques and synagogues.
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3:09 - 3:12But there's also occasionally
been a for-profit group -
3:12 - 3:14who has wanted to get in on the act.
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3:14 - 3:18And, you know, they look at
the small size of a burial plot -
3:18 - 3:20and that high cost,
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3:20 - 3:22and it looks like there's
serious money to be made. -
3:23 - 3:26So, actually, if you want to go out
and start your own cemetery, -
3:26 - 3:28you kind of can.
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3:28 - 3:30There was this couple in South Wales,
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3:30 - 3:33and they had a farmhouse
and a load of fields next to it, -
3:33 - 3:35and they wanted to develop the land.
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3:35 - 3:37They had a load of ideas.
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3:37 - 3:40They first thought about making
a caravan park, -
3:40 - 3:42but the council said no.
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3:42 - 3:44And then they wanted to make a fish farm
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3:44 - 3:45and again the council said no.
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3:46 - 3:48Then they hit on the idea
of making a cemetery -
3:48 - 3:51and they calculated that by doing this,
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3:51 - 3:53they could increase
the value of their land -
3:53 - 3:58from about 95,000 pounds
to over one million pounds. -
3:59 - 4:04But just to come back to this idea
of making profit from cemeteries, -
4:04 - 4:06like, it's kind of ludicrous, right?
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4:06 - 4:10The thing is that the high cost
of those burial plots -
4:10 - 4:12is actually very misleading.
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4:12 - 4:14They look like they're expensive,
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4:14 - 4:18but that cost reflects the fact that
you need to maintain the burial plot -- -
4:18 - 4:21like, someone has to cut the grass
for the next 50 years. -
4:21 - 4:24That means it's very difficult
to make money from cemeteries. -
4:24 - 4:27And it's the reason that normally
they're run by the council -
4:27 - 4:29or by a not-for-profit group.
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4:29 - 4:32But anyway, the council granted
these people permission, -
4:32 - 4:34and they're now trying
to build their cemetery. -
4:34 - 4:38So just to explain to you
kind of how this works: -
4:38 - 4:40If I want to build something in the UK,
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4:40 - 4:42like a cemetery for example,
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4:42 - 4:45then I have to apply
for planning permission first. -
4:45 - 4:49So if I want to build a new
office building for a client -
4:49 - 4:51or if I want to extend my home
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4:51 - 4:55or, you know, if I have a shop
and I want to convert it into an office, -
4:55 - 4:57I have to do a load of drawings,
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4:57 - 4:59and I submit them
to the council for permission. -
4:59 - 5:03And they'll look at things like
how it fits in the surroundings. -
5:03 - 5:05So they'll look at what it looks like.
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5:05 - 5:09But they'll also think about things
like what impact is it going to have -
5:09 - 5:10on the local environment?
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5:10 - 5:12And they'll be thinking about things like,
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5:12 - 5:14is this thing going to cause pollution
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5:14 - 5:16or is there going to be a lot of traffic
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5:16 - 5:19that wants to go to this thing
that I've built? -
5:19 - 5:20But also good things.
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5:20 - 5:23Is it going to add local services
like shops to the neighborhood -
5:23 - 5:25that local people would like to use?
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5:26 - 5:29And they'll weigh up the advantages
and the disadvantages -
5:29 - 5:30and they'll make a decision.
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5:31 - 5:35So that's how it works if I want
to build a large cemetery. -
5:35 - 5:37But what if I've got a piece of land
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5:37 - 5:41and I just want to bury
a few people, like five or six? -
5:42 - 5:45Well, then -- actually, I don't need
permission from anyone! -
5:46 - 5:50There's actually almost no regulation
in the UK around burial, -
5:50 - 5:54and the little bit that there is,
is about not polluting water courses, -
5:54 - 5:57like not polluting rivers or groundwater.
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5:57 - 6:00So actually, if you want to go
and make your own mini-cemetery, -
6:00 - 6:01then you can.
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6:01 - 6:05But I mean, like -- really,
who does this? Right? -
6:06 - 6:10Well, if you're an aristocratic family
and you have a large estate, -
6:10 - 6:12then there's a chance that you'll
have a mausoleum on it, -
6:12 - 6:14and you'll bury your family there.
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6:15 - 6:17But the really weird thing
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6:17 - 6:20is that you don't need to have
a piece of land of a certain size -
6:20 - 6:23before you're allowed
to start burying people on it. -
6:23 - 6:25And so that means that, technically,
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6:25 - 6:29this applies to, like, the back garden
of your house in the suburbs. -
6:29 - 6:30(Laughter)
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6:30 - 6:34So what if you wanted
to try this yourself at home? -
6:34 - 6:38Well, there's a few councils
that have guidance on their website -
6:38 - 6:40which can help you.
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6:40 - 6:42So, the first thing that they tell you
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6:42 - 6:46is that you need to have a certificate
of burial before you can go ahead -- -
6:46 - 6:49you're not allowed to just murder people
and put them under the patio. -
6:49 - 6:51(Laughter)
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6:52 - 6:56They also tell you that you need to keep
a record of where the grave is. -
6:56 - 6:59But that's pretty much it
for formal requirements. -
6:59 - 7:02Now, they do warn you that
your neighbors might not like this, -
7:02 - 7:06but, legally speaking, there's almost
nothing that they can do about it. -
7:06 - 7:11And just in case any of you
still had that profit idea in your mind -
7:11 - 7:13about how much those burial plots cost
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7:13 - 7:16and how much money
you might be able to make, -
7:16 - 7:18they also warn that it might cause
the value of your house -
7:18 - 7:20to drop by 20 percent.
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7:21 - 7:22Although, actually, it's more likely
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7:22 - 7:25that no one will want to buy
your house at all after that. -
7:26 - 7:29So what I find fascinating about this
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7:29 - 7:34is the fact that it kind of sums up
many of our attitudes towards death. -
7:34 - 7:39In the UK, and I think that the figures
across Europe are probably similar, -
7:39 - 7:42only about 30 percent of people
have ever talked to anyone -
7:42 - 7:44about their wishes around death,
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7:44 - 7:45and even for people over 75,
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7:46 - 7:49only 45 percent of people
have ever talked about this. -
7:49 - 7:52And the reasons that
people give ... you know, -
7:52 - 7:54they think that their death is far off
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7:54 - 7:57or they think that they're going
to make people uncomfortable -
7:57 - 7:58by talking about it.
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7:58 - 8:00And you know, to a certain extent,
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8:00 - 8:04there are other people out there
who are taking care of things for us. -
8:04 - 8:07The government has all this regulation
and bureaucracy around things -
8:07 - 8:10like burying a death, for example,
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8:10 - 8:12and there's people like funeral directors
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8:12 - 8:14who devote their entire
working lives to this issue. -
8:14 - 8:16But when it comes to our cities
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8:16 - 8:19and thinking about how
death fits in our cities, -
8:19 - 8:23there's much less regulation
and design and thought -
8:23 - 8:24than we might imagine.
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8:24 - 8:27So we're not thinking about this,
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8:27 - 8:29but all of the people we imagine
are thinking about it -- -
8:30 - 8:32they're not taking care of it either.
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8:32 - 8:33Thank you.
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8:33 - 8:36(Applause)
- Title:
- What happens when a city runs out of room for its dead
- Speaker:
- Alison Killing
- Description:
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"If you want to go out and start your own cemetery" in the UK, says Alison Killing, "you kind of can." She thinks a lot about where we die and are buried -- and in this talk, the architect and TED Fellow offers an eye-opening economic and social perspective on an overlooked feature of our towns and cities: the cemetery. Speaking specifically to UK laws, she unpacks the fascinating, sometimes funny, often contradictory laws about where you can be buried.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
- closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 08:49
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