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I want to welcome you to
this specialization, a teen
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seminar about Lebanon. My
name is Tom Craig, I'm the
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Middle East coordinator with
ice J. And we're happy to
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have a couple friends from
Beirut, Lebanon to share in
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this time as we talk about
the situation in Lebanon. So
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I want to welcome Nuna. And
Robert, they're good long
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term friends that we've
known for many years. And
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they and their families have
been having a great impact
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in Lebanon in the city of
Beirut, and along the Isaiah
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19 Highway for many, many
years. So I value their
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friendship and deeply value,
what they're going to be
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sharing with us today to
give us a current update on
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what's happening in Lebanon.
And we hope that you'll take
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these points that we're
going to share and talk
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about, and turn them into
prayer for Lebanon, because
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it's really an a critical
time and situation as a
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country. And this is a great
opportunity to hear from
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them and turn those things
into prayer. So welcome,
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Nuna. And, Robert, it's
great to have you with me on
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this seminar today before
the Feast of Tabernacles.
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conference coming up. And
yeah, welcome. Thank you.
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Thank you. So I think what
would be helpful is if both
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of you could just share in
your own way, how you view
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Lebanon has gotten to the
situation it's in right now
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I know, it's probably a long
term process that has been
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going on. But maybe just the
more recent history or days,
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what are the things that
have been happening are
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what's led Lebanon into such
a crisis? At this point? Can
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you give us more background
on on how that's happened?
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And and kind of walk us
through that?
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Why have you good in
history, so you should do
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the history, I thought,
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well, first of all the
senator in some area, to all
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of you in Jerusalem, and who
are following the Feast of
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Tabernacles via zoom. It's
wonderful to be able to
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share in this way. We there
are many reasons to why we
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arrived at the situation
that we're at now. And the
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problem is it. It may take
too much time giving all the
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reasons as to why we have a
failed state. Essentially,
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we are similar to what
Venezuela is going through
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right now. Banks and Lebanon
attracted dollars by
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offering sky high interest
rates. So people were
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sending their dollars to
Lebanon, and getting very
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high percentages that you
couldn't find anywhere else.
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It's called a Ponzi scheme.
So eventually, it collapsed.
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Now there were two things
that I remember that led to
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this one is September of
2019, the prime minister who
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had been urging this side
hobby to tighten our fiscal
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belts, himself was found out
to have paid millions of
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dollars to a South African
lady a model to have
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relations with her. That was
September then in October,
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the government said they're
going to tax WhatsApp
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because the government
needed more revenue. And
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that those two things one
were a prime minister who's
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telling us to tighten our
belts financially. And then
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the WhatsApp tax led to
October 17 Intifada or
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uprising Lebanese uprising.
So that that's very talking
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very basically very
generally, in after the
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uprising of October 17. We
had the slowdown of the
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economy which was followed
by the collapse of the
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Lebanese currency called the
lira followed by COVID and
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COVID lockdowns and then as
you all know the explosion
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actually there were two
explosions of August 4 of
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last year. 2020. So that's
just by way of introduction,
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events that came one after
the other. And I think there
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is a also an international
feel to it. I think this all
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spring, Arab Spring
everywhere didn't exclude
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Lebanon. So it's it's just a
series of events that's
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happening in the whole
Middle East. It's not just
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Lebanon, it's something that
is that is cooked out
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somewhere, we don't know
where and we don't know who
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that is cooking something in
the Middle East to just this
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is a, a burning pots here is
a it's a place that could
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explode at any moment. And
it has been exploding. So if
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you include what's happening
in Syria, what's happening
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in Jordan, what's happening
in Iraq, in Turkey, in
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Lebanon, in Egypt, and in
all these regions,
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everything happens
simultaneously. So I think
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it has more like an
international feel to it
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than just a national. So
yes, we do have our own
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problems and our own
corruption and our own
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things. But it's also bigger
than us. And it's, it's a
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plot to change the, the
landscape of the Middle
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East. I think
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that's very interesting. So
you see, and I would imagine
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that you both realize that
there's great influences
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affecting Lebanon from other
nations around the Middle
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East. And this is how so
having impact on the society
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and the economy there.
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Okay, do you want me to go
into a little bit more
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details or who should
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know feel free?
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Okay, I feel free. You know,
this, the whole thing in the
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whole Middle East is a power
is a balance of powers. So
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it's a Sunni Shiite power.
So I would think that when
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the when the sheriff power
goes too strong, then these
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powers that are working in
behind the scenes are just
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helping all the Sunni power
to just rise stronger. And
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when the Sunni says powers
go stronger than we have the
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shade power goes stronger.
So it's always an
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equilibrium of power. And
this is how I see it. So I
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see that now, when ISIS was
there. The rise of ISIS all
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these times, suddenly the
shades power started to
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rise, because the ISIS was
too strong. The sheriff
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power started to rise, and
to come into the play
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against the ISIS power. And
it was just, you know, just
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increasing. So it increased
into Lebanon increase into
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Yemen, it's increased into,
into Iraq into Syria. So
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it's increased. Now the
shape power is a bit too
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strong. So now we have a
resurgence of the the Sunni
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power. So it's a suddenly we
have the Taliban we have the
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ISIS, we have like
everything is resurging, for
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certain reasons. So this is
all a game of power between
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Sunni and Shiite, for the
holidays. So I don't think
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it's just 1111 on problem. I
think it's a power or it's a
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power struggle. I don't know
I think be with me, but very
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insightful.
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I would I would say that
Lebanon has been targeted by
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Iran. Since Khomeini came to
power in February of 1979.
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You remember, he was an
exile in France. And then he
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flew back to Iran into power
after the sharp fell from
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power. That same year, the
Iranian Revolutionary Guard
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opened up a camp in Lebanon,
in the Bekaa Valley and
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bonding. So the Shia
resurgence dates, all the
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noonas referring to dates
all the way back to 1979. So
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we're talking about 42 years
at the base here.
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Furthermore, Israel used to
have direct flights from Tel
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Aviv to Tehran, there was a
Israel interest office or
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building into Iran. They
were Israeli engineers and
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scientists and teachers.
They were all working in
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Iran because the Shah was on
a crusade of modernity. He
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wanted to make Iran into a
first world country. So the
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Israel's closest ally was
Iran. But when Khomeini came
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to power that year, he
closed the Israel office and
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he declared the the last
week of Ramadan to be
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Jerusalem day so the
committee has been using and
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subsequent leaders in Iran
are using Lebanon as a
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battleship to liberate
including Marx liberate
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Jerusalem, for Islam. So,
there there are many reasons
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for the collapse that you
asked us about. But you can
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go back 42 years to where
Lebanon was already being
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targeted by Iran. And this
is the fruit of that. And in
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fact, there was a coup in
May of 2008, in which his of
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Allah, which is the Shiite
militia, and also political
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party, launched a coup
against the government
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government and arrested in
quotation marks, government
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leaders have put them under
house arrest for 24 hours in
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one day and basically said,
we're in control now. Yeah.
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And so we have been in a
political gridlock. Ever
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since 2008, we've had not
able to make any progress.
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Politically, we have no
government, as you probably
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know, because Lebanon is
being used by Iran, as their
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spear into into Israel.
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That that is so helpful to
understand and so critical
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to be aware of, and praying
for as believers who want to
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stand with God's purposes
for the nations of the
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Middle East, including
Lebanon, that they would be
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delivered from this and come
into their destiny, and
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stand with also Israel and
the other nations and God's
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purposes. So thank you guys,
I think another very
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significant event, as I
understand it, is what
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happened last year, on
August 4, I was on a zoom
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call at that time, I think,
Homer, you were on it as
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well, with many other
leaders from around the
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world. And there was a big
explosion in Beirut and you
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had to excuse yourself, at
that time, and others on the
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call, they were from
Lebanon, became quite
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emotional about just how
fearful they were over what
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had happened in Beirut,
because of the size of the
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explosion and noon, I know,
we were communicating
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quickly, soon after that as
well. But maybe you can just
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describe that day and what's
happened as well, since
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then, in the city of Beirut
and in Lebanon.
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Yeah, I remember that day.
And I think many people
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remember that day as if it
was yesterday. So it's not
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something that was in the
past. It's something that's
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so vivid, and so present in
our memory. And we can't, we
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can't just live, you know,
without remembering that
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day. And I wrote it in one
of my letters that it was
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there is now before the
October, August for and
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after August 4, like, you
know, there is a this this
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thing that before it was
this way, and now it is this
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way. So it it's just had a
complete transformation of
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society, the all the trauma
of the civil war that was in
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Lebanon came back. So the
people that lived that
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moment of the explosion, and
that felt the instruction
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and the loss and the death
and all these things lived
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also not only that tragedy,
but live back also the
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tragedy of the war, where
people lost also homes and
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people they loved and like
many things that were
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similar,
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so kind of re traumatize
them or brought that all
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back up.
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Yes, yes. So because it was
all always inside them, but
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they learn to live with it.
But now with this, now you
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have a new fear, that is
lingering, we will as I was
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discussing with my son, just
yesterday, I was discussing
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with him and they said now
that when they hear a plane,
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they they feel fear. When
they hear a plane, they feel
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fear. And he was saying
genoma this friend has this
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and this friend has this and
this friend has this. So he
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was just naming all the
people people like every one
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of them had now fear when
they hear a plane because
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before the explosion, this
is what we heard we heard
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that plane and then we heard
the explosion so so there's
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this now unconscious fear
that is there that I don't
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know what will happen to me.
Now I'm on a road and I hit
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a plane and maybe a bomb
will explode just next to
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me. So something that that
unconsciously is living the
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living it like everyone is
living it. So we live we're
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working in the explosion
area. So we have a center
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now index function area, and
I see all day long as you
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see people who have lived
this tragedy will have lost
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homes. Some of them have not
even finished repairing
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their homes, because of lack
of finances, but some of
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them are still trying to
Bring back a sense of
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normalcy in, in their lives.
But it's very hard,
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especially for younger, the
younger ones, the kids who
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are afraid now to go back
into their homes, the kids
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who don't know what to do,
like if they go to school,
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they come back from school,
or they like, what are they
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going to find? So there's a
this, this heavy feeling of
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trauma and of, of
uncertainty and fear and
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insecurity, there's all
over. So it's not just a, an
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explosion that happened in
someplace, it's the whole
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spectrum of things that are
before and after. So even
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before, because of all the
memories that came with it,
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and after, because of all
the things that are still
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very much around us that we
can see, there's so much
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still to be repaired,
there's so much still
-
reminding us every day of
what happened every day, we
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see places that have not
been repaired yet to cars
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that are still destroyed,
shops that are still closed,
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and with broken windows and
broken shutters, and so it's
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still there, it's still
there around us.
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It must be so difficult with
what you described earlier
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about how things just are
not functioning with the
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government and in the
society in general, to have
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such a massive, destructive
event take place, impacting
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the port and surrounding
areas. They're in Beirut to
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such a degree that you know,
how many hundreds of 1000s
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of people were homeless are
affected at that time
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100,300 to
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300,000 people who were
affected by that. And then a
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year later, you're talking
about how things are still
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very much not remedied or
taken care of because of the
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situation there that you
described earlier. And that
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must be so difficult for you
and all the people in
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Lebanon just to continue to
go through the whole process
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of trying to make life
better, but failing, in many
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ways, there's a little
progress. And it's it feels
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hopeless, I'm sure, at
times, but we just
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and the government does is
not there. So it's like
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everything is relying on
NGOs and international aid,
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and through the government.
So the people are really,
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really relying on NGOs to to
rebuild their lives and to
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have what whatever kind of
headache they can. They're
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not relying on any
governmental office, they're
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not relying on the social
affairs of the Ministry of
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Interior, they're not
relying of any on any of
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these. They're just relying
on NGOs. And that's puts a
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really heavy load on local
and international NGOs. And
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do you
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feel that those NGOs are
getting enough resources and
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they have enough people and
finances to be able to to
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continue to help in that
situation and serve those
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people that have needs?
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It is going well, I think I
think there is always this
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the problem of the banks. So
people who cannot retrieve
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their money from banks. So
some people have actually
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money in the bank, but they
cannot retrieve it. So
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that's a problem. Some
people are receiving money
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and can retrieve it and are
able to work with it. But
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the need is so much greater
than like, even if you just
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send hundreds of millions of
dollars. It's not enough.
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It's not enough, because the
problem is that people are
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not able to it's not like
you give one time you just
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rebuild a life and then they
go on you have to continue
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because there is no work,
there is no prospect of
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work, there is no future
there is no hope there is
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nothing. So you give once
and then you have given up
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to give another time and
another time and another
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time. So even if you have a
lot, a lot, a lot of money
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is sustained in it for a
long time. It's very hard.
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Even, you know, even a
government I don't know if
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the government can do that.
So, so yes, there are like
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there is money and many NGOs
are working and but the
-
sustaining of it is very
hard.
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Probably because there needs
to be a redevelopment of
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infrastructure in so many
ways for things to improve.
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So Robert, what do you feel
I know you were greatly
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impacted and I remember you
going around on your
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motorcycle and viewing
things right down at the
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port after it happened and
and sharing those videos.
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And pictures with me and
others. But how's life been
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since then, in your view?
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Well, we were, as you
mentioned, we actually were
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on a zoom together when we
had, I felt an earthquake,
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and we've been overdue. A
big earthquake since the
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last big one, shook the
whole region back in 1927.
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My wife and I, we always
talk about, hey, we're
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overdue. Where's the
earthquake? Because Lebanon
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is right on the Rift Valley
as Israel, which goes from
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here all starts in Lebanon
goes all the way to Kenya
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and Africa. So I thought,
well, here's the big one,
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maybe this is the big
earthquake. So I got up and,
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and walked out to the bank,
I excused myself from the
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zoom call. And just as I got
up from the couch, I heard
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the sound. So I realize it
was an earthquake, it was an
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explosion. I got out to the
balcony. Now there's nothing
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there's no obstruction
between the balcony and the
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port. In other words,
there's no buildings in
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front of between me and the
port, all of the port is a
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distance away. It there's
nothing to obstruct my view.
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And so I was there. When the
second explosion, that's the
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large one went off, and it
looked like an atomic bomb.
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And for a split second, I
thought, What is this an
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atomic bomb, but I realized
I wasn't blinded by the
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flash. So that I really
thought that for a second.
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But the mushroom cloud
disappeared in a second or
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two it was it wasn't like
Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So I
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realize No, this is not at a
time, but I didn't know what
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it was. But it I went down
and no cars are allowed in
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the area. But I could get by
my little motorcycle and
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went down to to look at it.
The following morning
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explosion was 10 minutes
past six in the evening. On
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August the fourth, I went
down the morning in the
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fifth and saw the incredible
destruction. Now I want to
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say this about August the
fourth August the fourth
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created another spasm of
fury on the part of the
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Lebanese people against the
government. Very similar to
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what happened in October
17 2019. Why? Because the
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Lebanese discovered that
tons of ammonium nitrate
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nitrate, which was in a
rusty old boat that was on
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its way to Mozambique, had
stopped in Beirut for some
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repairs. And for some
reason, the contents of the
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ship, the small ship were
confiscated by Lebanese
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customs and put in a
warehouse in 2016, if I'm
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not mistaken, and not stored
properly. And so when the
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Lebanese people found out
what are we doing,
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confiscating this stuff, and
putting it on our shore?
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People were going crazy. Why
didn't we just you know, let
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that ship get its repairs
and go on to Mozambique,
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where that's where it was on
its way to. But the it was
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confiscated. And it led to
this explosion which is had
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it's a domino effect. It's
affected so many things. In
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addition to what I've
already mentioned, the
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collapse of the currency,
slowdown of the economy and
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so on, so forth. This is
almost the last straw. I
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don't know if it is the last
straw, then it seemed like
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the last straw. And so a
fury has erupted in Lebanese
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society. Because no one has
been held accountable.
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Immediately an investigation
was launched, but no one has
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been arraigned. No one has
been brought to court, much
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less arrested or sentenced
to prison for this
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explosion, which damaged
hundreds of 1000s of
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buildings. It's hard to
imagine a number like that.
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And then some buildings were
damaged, were completely
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destroyed. Others suffered
superficial damage depending
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how far away you are from
the blast. But we're talking
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about hundreds of 1000s of
buildings. And this is after
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Beirut started rebuilding
the war ended in 1990. And I
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would say about 93 or 94
building started in earnest.
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And the skyline of a mood is
totally different than what
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I remember when I came here
in 1980. So all of that it
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seemed like all of that
progress was just destroyed.
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And so a tremendous malaise
has fallen on the Lebanese
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people a disappointment, a
discouragement. In the when
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the war broke out and 75 the
Civil War The second Civil
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War first one was 1958. But
when the second Civil War
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broke out in 75, the
population Lebanon was
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around 3 million, a million
Lebanese left after the 75
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War. Well, they came back in
the 1990s. And now once
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again, we're seeing an
exodus, a brain drain. I
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mean, I've lost my doctor.
I've lost my dentist. The
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best and the brightest are
leaving young people leaving
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because these are their
early years of their life.
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They can't sit around
waiting. So It's it's a
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discouraging time for sure.
Now, we're not going to
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finish this seminar on that
note, but I just answer your
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question about how I view
the explosion of August 4.
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Well, thank you. And I
think, you know, both of you
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have made reference to a few
times to the economy and how
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it has, you know, had such a
turn downturn, and it's in
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really bad shape. Can you
speak more to that before we
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talk about the response of
believers and the church to
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all of this, because we do
want to end on a hopeful
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note of what God can do
through all of this, but I
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know the economy is
suffering greatly. They're
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in Lebanon, and many of us
are concerned about how that
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affects society and the
political situation in
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Lebanon, but also in the
region with as the other
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forces that work as we
talked about earlier, so
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what about the economy? How
is it impacting you and your
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families, your ministries,
but also in general Lebanon?
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Well, you probably know that
the Lebanese pound has lost
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90% of its value, which
means that with with a $1,
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now, you have 90% inflation,
so you can just have for the
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same dollar you had before
1500, Lebanese lira, now you
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have 20,000, Lebanese here
for the same dollar. So this
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means such a devaluation of
the Lebanese pound, and the
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power of the buying power,
the purchasing power of the
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remaining style is really
nothing. So now you go to a
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shop, and you can really buy
nothing with what you have
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is living these pounds. And
many people are still
-
receiving the wages in
Lebanese pounds, and it has
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not even been increased. So
they have lost 90% of their
-
salaries, which so
everything is all the stuff
-
in the supermarket, or the
things that you need to buy
-
even the gas, or whatever it
is, everything has increased
-
in value, and a lot
increased, but then they
-
don't have any more the
purchasing power that they
-
have. So if they had money
in the bank is stranded in
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the bank, if they have, if
just they're just relying on
-
their own salary, what they
get, they're receiving only,
-
like 10% of what they used
to receive before. So now
-
that we're the wage, the
minimum wage is about $29
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less than minimum wage of a
nice person per month. And
-
it is like $29. So before it
used to be like $600 now
-
it's, it's $29. So you can
imagine a little bit the
-
poverty that people are
living in the lack. So they
-
have been reduced to it to
you know, just cut out some
-
meats or some restaurants or
some some of the things that
-
they used to do, they have
now to just stop it and not
-
not live the same way they
used to live before. So and
-
many of them now are relying
on the the aids the food
-
packages that we are sending
or that other NGOs are
-
sending, so many of them are
actually relying on the food
-
packages that we're sending.
So that's much people who
-
have never, never asked for
help are now coming and
-
knocking at our doors, which
is for us it is a
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catastrophe. It's really,
really dramatic. And you
-
know what people who have
done who are going through
-
the same thing? Yeah. So
they now we are we are where
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we were, we are reduced to,
you know, to ask for help.
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You know, not not personally
but I mean, Lebanese people
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are, this is the reality of
maybe 80% of the Lebanese
-
population is a huge number.
Not Of course, you have some
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who are living with working
with foreign countries, so
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they still receive their
wages in foreign currencies.
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They're fine. But those who
are receiving their wages in
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Lebanese have been
dramatically dramatically.
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That's have been touched by
that.
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So Robert, what are you
viewing when you see this
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situation now with the
economy and how it's
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affecting people's lives?
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Well, it's hard for me
although I don't get my
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salary is not in Lebanese
lira. But it's hard for me
-
to be around such need in my
building. We have three
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pharmacists, one engineer
and they need food. I never
-
thought I would see such a
thing. When I came to
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Lebanon for the first time
in 1980, and then moved my
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family here in 1982, there
was full employment. The
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currency was very strong.
Lebanese was known. The
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Lebanese currency was known
as a very strong currency.
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Yes. And that's how it was
throughout the warriors.
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Now, there wasn't security.
There was there was work,
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and there was food. And
there was a strong currency.
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But of course, there was war
as well. We don't have war
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now. But the situation in
many respects is much more
-
difficult. Then it was an
award. Here's the How do you
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go from $600 to $29, a
person in our church, her
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brother had had $1,650 a
month, which is a very good
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salary. He has a wife and
four children. And now he
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has to get by on less than
$200 a month. I mean, it's,
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this is incredible. I have
never seen anything like
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this now. The Nunez husband.
Right after the Intifada
-
started in October of 2019.
The very next month,
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November, he decided to
start a food bank. And it's
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the first congregation to do
that. And it was so patient
-
of him to do and it's just
amazing, because we didn't
-
realize how much people will
be depending on this food
-
bank. And we've not only
First of all, it was founded
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to help the congregation,
the members of the
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congregation, obviously, but
then it's spread to helping
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other congregations. And
then finally, Nunez has been
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helped churches start their
own food banks. And this
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food bank continues to grow
because the need continues
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to grow. I never saw this in
the Warriors never saw
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anything like this before.
So this is very impactful.
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It's it's painful to see,
even though I personally
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unable to buy the food that
I need to be around such
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need all the time, is pretty
discouraging.
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I can imagine I just really
have no idea. You know,
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though, we've lived in
situations where there's
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poverty and and difficulty
to, to make ends meet for
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people. It's nothing like
what you guys are
-
describing. And it's been
going on for such a long
-
time already with, again,
very little hope for how
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it's going to change right
now, politically and
-
otherwise. So I think we
really, you know, he knew
-
need to take some time now
before we finished to talk
-
about what the Lord's been
doing in your hearts,
-
through all of this and how
he's encouraged you and
-
given you hope, cuz I know
you both are both resilient,
-
strong believers, and that
you have great hope yet for
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Lebanon and for Isaiah 19
and the nations around to
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see God's kingdom calm. So
yeah, explain how you've
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responded to these things,
especially in the last
-
couple years. But over the
last year, especially so
-
much has been happening
noona I know your ministry
-
triumphant mercy has been
having a great impact before
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the explosion at the port,
but even more so after that,
-
in many ways, and you're
involved in a lot of
-
different outreach and
ministry. Maybe you can
-
explain to us what you all
got. Well, you guys are
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doing and then as well,
Robert, we want to hear from
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you.
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Yes, as transit mercy, which
is the humanitarian branch
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of the church, we we do have
a big impact on the whole
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Lebanese society. No, and
before that we were working
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also with refugees. So we're
still working with refugees
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with the Sunni refugees, but
we have increased the work
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with Lebanese citizens,
especially after the crisis.
-
So with all the economic
collapse, with all the
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things that the Lebanon is
going through, we have been
-
just opening our doors for
Lebanese who are just going
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through psychological
problems with trauma with
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all the things that they
have been going through. So
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we have had a lot of work
with that. During after or
-
after the explosion. We had
pre built homes. So we had
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for two months. We were just
on the streets. We had we
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pitched a tent on the
street, having a table there
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and just mapping the region
and and sending workers into
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every home. So we did a lot
a lot of homes that more
-
than 500 homes, we could
help rebuilding and
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repairing so we had a huge
impact on that and I
-
remember, I remember just a
bit after the explosion when
-
we were working on the
streets. I remember when
-
people were coming from all
the regions, with just
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brooms, people wanted to do
something, you know, people
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could not after this
explosion, they could not
-
just sit at home and watch
news and not be on the
-
ground. Like they needed to
feel useful. They needed to
-
express their anger and
their frustration while I
-
was doing something. So we
had with that too, because
-
we started to give them
gloves for work, we started
-
to bring we brought brought
lots of shovels, and, you
-
know, bags and all these
things so that people can
-
just clean the streets and
clean hospitals and clean
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churches and clean homes and
clean stairs and whatever it
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is, so that people will just
see people's frustration. So
-
we were able to help with
that, to help to just
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contain this, and to just
bring leadership to people.
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Really, I just see them the
black sheep, without
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shepherds, they had no one
to lead them. They had no
-
one to tell them what to do,
or how to help and what what
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how can you just actually do
something. So this was our
-
job just to sit there and
just say, you go here, you
-
go here, take the shovel,
take these, these now and
-
just bring trucks and just
put everything in the truck
-
and take it to the garbage
things, those small things
-
like that, that they needed
it, it just brought so much
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like
-
it was like a bomb on their,
you know, on their, on their
-
frustration, just like I'm
doing something. And this
-
has continued. So now this
has continued is different
-
now. So most of the homes
are somehow repaired, you
-
still have lots of other
works, but like maybe the
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heaters is not working,
maybe the shutters are not
-
working but with the homes
are okay, so people can live
-
in in the homes. But now as
with, you know you work on
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people with psychological
support with trauma healing,
-
and we work on them to share
it to give them a vision for
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the future. So that's
another kind of work we can
-
give. When when you just
tell them that actually
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there is a future, there is
a future, your life doesn't
-
stop here. And that's a
problem. Because none of
-
them has even the slightest
thought that the future can
-
exist. For them many, for
many of them, life has
-
stopped, life has taught
with just surviving, we're
-
in a surviving mode, we're
not in a mode that can
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actually think of tomorrow.
We're just surviving today.
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And that's it. So that's the
kind of work we could do. So
-
we do that we do we try to
provide small jobs, maybe
-
it's not a big thing, maybe
it's now we cannot do
-
everything. But we can
provide small jobs. And
-
sometimes this is what
people need. Because, you
-
know, they, they don't and
many people actually told us
-
this when we were visiting
them at home, they will say,
-
I don't need you to help me,
I need you to find a job. I
-
don't want to be helped I
want a job. So this is what
-
we're trying to do. So we're
trying all kinds of things
-
to help people just stand
back on their feet. And it's
-
not it's not easy. And of
course the gospel is always
-
there. Without we cannot
have hope without the
-
gospel. So when we talk
about gospel about hope,
-
when we talk about future,
we talk about the destiny of
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Lebanon and that God loves
Lebanon and Lebanon is a
-
jewel in the crown of the
Lord and etc. So we always,
-
always bring back the Lord
into it because he is our
-
anchor. Without him we just
tossed you know by by every
-
wind that is coming by every
political change by every
-
speech that somebody says
that if somebody says
-
something we can remove,
then somebody else says
-
something and then we can be
moved. So we have to be
-
anchored somewhere. And this
is how we're working with
-
people. I think, I think for
now, this is what we can do.
-
We can bring food, we can
bring restoration of souls,
-
we can try to provide jobs
and and just bring bring God
-
close to people
-
to see that there is some
breakthrough coming through
-
all these crises in terms of
people's spiritual lives or
-
their hearts. Are they
becoming more tender open to
-
hear the good news or
something that will give
-
them both and are believers
stepping up to really take
-
advantage of that and share
the gospel more and more in
-
those situations.
-
I can see that people are
more tender because their
-
their pride has been cut.
You know now they reduced
-
their have, you know, they
have to humble themselves to
-
ask for help? Or to say I
cannot do it by myself? Or I
-
say, can you be next to me?
Can you help me? Can you so
-
there's this brokenness that
came. And with brokenness,
-
there's openness. So now
there is much more openness
-
to hear the gospel before. I
remember Lebanese was so
-
like, you know, religious.
So I know everything, and
-
you don't need to preach the
gospel to me. So but now,
-
they are so broken that they
want that word of hope. So,
-
this morning, I were like I
was at one of the centers,
-
and I was we were discussing
with a lady, and we were
-
telling her what do you
want? What do you need?
-
Like? So we're just having a
kind of what do you need?
-
And one of the things that
we told her, we told her, we
-
can do Bible studies, not
Bible studies, like Bible
-
meetings, talking about the
Bible, or we can do trauma
-
healing, or we can do
computer lessons, or we can
-
do and she said, I want
Bible. And oh, that's nice.
-
That's nice. So people are
open, then I can't say
-
they're mature, and they
understand everything, but
-
they are open. And this
brokenness has brought so
-
much more openness then than
we used to have before. Yes,
-
yeah. So some, they're
thirsting for more,
-
this is more, but at the
same time, there's so much
-
hopelessness in another
another part that many of
-
them just dream of leaving
the country. So it's both,
-
you know, they're broken. So
the solution is either I
-
leave the country or I need,
I need help. So if you can't
-
leave the country, then
that's when you have like, I
-
need something. And so, so
it's really, it's really
-
hard to hide situation.
-
Oh, yeah. Robert, what is
your view on this in terms
-
of what God's you know,
showing you and the hope
-
that you have for what he's
going to do to redeem all of
-
this?
-
Well, I'd like to put some
of the the suffering that
-
Lebanon has experienced over
the decades and perspective,
-
this, this country was
carved out of the caliphate
-
after World War One. So as
far as Muslims are
-
concerned, it's Muslim land.
And they've never, they've
-
never accepted any more than
they have accepted. The
-
establishment of the State
of Israel never accepted the
-
idea that Christians can be
the head of state, the head
-
of the army had a Ministry
of Interior that's unique
-
among the 22 Arab states, in
the Middle East. So Lebanon
-
is a very, very unique
country in the Arab Muslim
-
world. Yes. And as a result
of that, when it was
-
founded, is a French mandate
1920 and got its
-
independence in 1946. It's,
it's been targeted, in my
-
opinion, it's been targeted
by Satan ever since. But
-
why? Because Lebanon was the
place where Christian
-
publishing was was was here.
Yeah, Christian television
-
was here. Christopher's
Christian radio, the
-
Christian television, right
in the heart of the Arab
-
Muslim world, there's
Lebanon, being a light for
-
the gospel to 300 million
Arab Muslims. This is like a
-
sharp stick in the eye of
Satan. And so my, my
-
perspective is the traumas
that we've been going
-
through, go back many
decades. It's not just you
-
know, the August 14 2020.
explosion, or, or the
-
Intifada? 2019? No, no, he
goes back. It's it goes way
-
back. And so as a result, we
are having the kind of
-
upheavals that we're having,
because more and more
-
Muslims are coming to faith
in Yeshua, in Jesus. Look at
-
Iran, for example, Iran
established an Islamic
-
theocracy, that means a
country that's run by Allah.
-
And yet it's the fastest
growing church that we're
-
aware of in the Muslim
world. That's just one
-
example. The other thing you
asked us to speak about
-
Isaiah and it well, we're
part of the highway, we're
-
part of a Syria were part of
the countries that make up
-
used to make up Syria or
Syria, the empire of Syria.
-
I would like to remind our
listeners, our viewers, that
-
the border between Israel
and Lebanon was open
-
unofficially from 1976 until
2000. That means for a
-
period of 24 years, there
was a commerce and people
-
going back and forth across
the border, not Israelis.
-
Israelis are not allowed to
go north, the Lebanese are
-
free to come south, and then
he did and many worked in
-
Israel. So the highway was
actually open from 1976 to
-
2000. So that gives us hope,
and I remember those days
-
and those of the viewers are
that know their geography.
-
I'm talking about the Tula
the good fence matola being
-
the the northernmost city
and Israel and those If you
-
didn't know Lebanese
geography, I'm talking about
-
Coca Cola, and Marina Yun
area. But there are other
-
openings along the border
all the way to us in order,
-
for example in Romania, but
we believe that Satan, he
-
knows this Bible as well
remember, he quoted some
-
pretty obscure passages to
the issue it Jesus when he
-
was being tempted by the
devil in the wilderness, so
-
he knows his Bible. So he's
aware of God's vision for
-
this region, the vision that
God gave Isaiah we call it I
-
say, his vision, but it's
actually God's vision that
-
he gave Prophet Isaiah and
chapter 19, particularly the
-
last three verses 2324 25.
Well, Lebanon is part of
-
that promise. And so we see
a spiritual warfare going
-
on. The good thing is, is
that we're experiencing
-
judgment, but we're also
learning righteousness at
-
the same time. And the house
of the Beirut House of
-
Prayer, which came out of
this congregation that noona
-
pastors along with her
husband, this is this is
-
going on, you know, their,
their prayer movement is
-
growing in this country as a
result of what we've been
-
going through, particularly
since 2019. The momentum is
-
growing. I wouldn't say that
we're having revival and
-
Lebanon, although I know
there has been a description
-
of one meeting in the Bekaa
Valley as a revival. I'm
-
aware of that meeting. But
I'm talking about it's not a
-
nationwide revival. We're
seeing pockets of revival,
-
certainly, in the Beirut
house of prayer. It's it's
-
never been as active in the
past as it is today. And I
-
believe that the is caused
us to get serious about our
-
faith, and to realize that
we're in spiritual warfare
-
here, that Satan
-
hates us and has a terrible
plan for our lives. But God
-
has a bride here in Lebanon,
and he loves Lebanon, and he
-
loves his church in Lebanon,
and he has great plans for
-
this country, man. And so we
we are contending in the
-
place of prayer and worship,
for the spiritual destiny of
-
Lebanon, which is linked to
you where you live, Tom, and
-
is linked to the other
countries along the highway.
-
Wonderful. Well, I think the
only thing we can do now is
-
to take some times in that
prayer for Lebanon so that
-
they will continue to think
about what they've heard and
-
pray into all of this, I
really would like to just
-
take a moment and share
before we pray this amazing
-
promise, from Isaiah chapter
29, to prophetic word
-
declaration in Isaiah as
well, about Lebanon, that I
-
would think we're all
continuing to believe God is
-
going to bring this to pass
in the near future. It
-
begins in verse 17, of
Isaiah 19 verse, Isaiah 29.
-
In a very short time, will
not Lebanon be turned into a
-
fertile field. And the
fertile fields seem like a
-
forest. A day the death will
hear the words of the scroll
-
and out of gloom and
darkness, the eyes of the
-
blind will see, once more
the humble will rejoice in
-
the Lord. The needy will
rejoice in the Holy One of
-
Israel. The ruthless will
vanish the mockers will
-
disappear. And all who have
an eye for evil will be cut
-
down. Those who had with a
word make someone out to be
-
guilty, who ensnare the
defender in court, and with
-
false testimony deprive the
innocent of justice. Yes,
-
well, what a description of
Lebanon from what you've
-
already been sharing with
us, what we hear about the
-
situation, the terrible
corruption and injustice is
-
going on that are affecting
and all of the society and
-
the economy and so on
people's lives. God has a
-
hope and a promise to turn
that around in a very short
-
time. He says, this can
happen in Lebanon, and that
-
once more than the humble
will rejoice in the Lord
-
Luke noona. You talked about
people becoming broken and
-
humble. It's time now it's
time for a breakthrough
-
spiritually for Lebanon,
that the needy will rejoice
-
in the Holy One of Israel.
Robert, that speaks to me
-
that they're actually going
to know even more about the
-
God of Israel, who is the
father of Yeshua, Jesus, the
-
Messiah, that they're going
to honor and love him as
-
well as all the nations of
the Middle East will
-
Together with the people of
Israel. So why don't we just
-
take a moment and close in
prayer, and I'll let both of
-
you lead off and prayer for
your own wonderful nation of
-
Lebanon. And then I'll close
it after you've prayed.
-
Okay? Jesus, I thank you
because of your promises,
-
because your promises are
true. Yes, and every promise
-
that you have in the Bible,
every promise that you have
-
for our land, we take it,
the God of justice is
-
coming. You are the God of
justice, and you're bringing
-
your throne as we worship as
we pray, Lord, I know that
-
you are establishing your
throne of justice. And you
-
said, the foundation of your
throne is justice and truth
-
is true. So I just ask Lord,
that You would, in these
-
dark times that you would
increase prayer, I pray that
-
you would just increase the
number of people who would
-
just call onto you. Because
you said that you hear the
-
cries of your people. And
you listen, and you come and
-
you visit, and you raise the
deliver and you change and
-
you transform because you
are the one who is able to
-
do all these things. Lord,
we put our trust in you. We
-
cannot trust in any man in
any country, in any
-
government in any power in
we don't trust in any.
-
Because all of them has
failed us, all of them,
-
though. So we know that we
cannot trust on anyone but
-
you and today we just come
to you. And we say Lord
-
Lebanon is a precious jewel
in your crown and Lebanon
-
will be richly represented
before the throne. And it
-
has such a destiny that that
the Lord has just talked
-
about it multiple times,
about the beauty of Lebanon
-
and the glory of Lebanon and
or the splendor of Lebanon
-
or the cedars of Lebanon and
the aroma that's coming out
-
of Lebanon. And Lord today I
just asked that Lebanon way
-
come into its destiny, pray,
Lord, that You would just
-
bring bring back Lebanon to
his original status. I just
-
am all these covers all
these markers, all these
-
people that are just making
plans, like in some tool,
-
that they are just
conspiring together against
-
the Lord. Not that you would
just laugh like law. It's a
-
terrible laugh. It's a
terrible laugh. When you
-
were you laugh from your
soul at your enemies. It's a
-
terrible laugh. But I asked
her that now you just bring
-
your justice from your
throne. And I thank you
-
because there's nothing that
out of that's out of your
-
control. And even though we
see the situation as like as
-
a dead end and very hard
with you, there's always an
-
open door with you. There's
always an exit, you always
-
you always have a solution.
You always have a plan of
-
redemption, always have a
plan, even to death, you had
-
a plan of resurrection, even
to any sickness, you had a
-
plan of restoration you you
have. So for Lebanon is not
-
a dead end today. We just
proclaim it. It's not the
-
end. It's not the end. So we
just look at it with hope.
-
We look at the future with
hope. And we are waiting to
-
see the deliverance of the
Lord. We are expecting
-
expecting to see the
deliverance of the Lord, we
-
keep our eye we keep
watching. As these watched
-
people on the watch towers,
were watching the watchmen
-
they were watching to see
and we are waiting to see
-
the salvation of the Lord
coming into our land, which
-
is waiting for it. And we
thank you for giving us this
-
privilege to be serving your
people in this time. This
-
this is a privilege that you
have entrusted us to serve
-
your people. I pray for that
you will just keep us
-
focused on you. Not only on
the task that is around us,
-
but on on you because you
are the one who is able to
-
just melt the mountains, all
the difficulties will just
-
go down and every value will
be raised up and you're able
-
to do it all. So we trust
you. And we thank you for
-
your faithfulness and for
being with us, sustaining
-
us, encouraging us and just
giving us the stamina to
-
continue in Jesus name.
Amen.
-
Lord, I thank you that you
will not put out a
-
smoldering wick. We
celebrate Lebanon's gospel
-
heritage. Yes. there for
decades. It's been a light
-
for the gospel. In the last
frontier of Christian
-
mission, the Muslim world in
the heartland of Islam, you
-
raised up Lebanon. Lord, we
cry out for Lebanon that the
-
enemy would not be able to
extinguish the flame. We ask
-
Holy Spirit that you would
blow This nation, that we
-
would once again be part of
the solution, not part of
-
the problem that we would be
able to see the highway
-
open. Between Lebanon, in
all the surrounding
-
countries. Oh Lord unstop it
Oh God, we're so anxious to
-
have relationship, physical
contact and relationship
-
with our brothers and
sisters across the border.
-
Oh Lord, would you open this
part of the highway, we act.
-
And we will continue to ask
until we see it happen until
-
it's a reality. Lord God,
open the highway we pray,
-
open the highway. Lord
Jesus, we ask
-
each other I thank you so
much for this rich time of
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just hearing from the hearts
of noona and Robert, who
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represents so many others in
the land of Lebanon. Lord,
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thank you that they have
been faithful through all
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these years to seek your
face, to grow in the
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knowledge of view, to become
ambassadors of your kingdom
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to the people of Lebanon
and, and beyond to the other
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nations of the Middle East.
Lord, I thank you, that you
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will honor their faith and
the faith of of many in the
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land of Lebanon who
continued to put their hope
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in you and to pray to you
day and night tonight and
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day Lord, thank you for the
increase of prayer that is
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taking place. Even during
these difficult days Lord,
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made that just grow and and
intensify in the zeal and
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passion of your people
crying out to you to your
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throne to see your hand move
on behalf of Lebanon to
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uproot the evil doers, those
who've had such influence
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and strongholds over the
land of Lebanon for decades,
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even centuries, Lord, the
Father, you would uproot and
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liberate the people of
Lebanon to come to know you
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to have the freedom to call
upon you and, and have
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relationship with you. And
Lord, to grow in
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relationship with others in
the nations of the Middle
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East, even with those here
in Israel, as their heart
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longs for. Lord, we pray for
a spiritual breakthrough in
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these days, for the
outpouring of your spirit,
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upon the land of Lebanon
upon its people, and the
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hearts of many would be
turned to you, even as your
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word declares in Isaiah 29
will happen in a very short
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time. Lord, we asked you
bring that time now May this
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be the our Lord after
hearing all that has been
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described, Lord, we asked
you for that spiritual
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breakthrough now, on behalf
of Lebanon, we bless
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Lebanon, the church in
Lebanon, we thank you for
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our brothers and sisters.
They're in your shoes name
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in just Jesus name. Amen.
Thank you both. Thank you
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for your time and for
sharing so wonderfully
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deeply with us about
Lebanon. I know many others.
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So benefit from this time
and take it to prayer, I'm
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sure in the days and months
ahead. So thank you both.
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Can you imagine living three
kilometers from the Gaza
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Strip, in a community where
when you hear a siren, you
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know you have 15 seconds to
get to safety and that Hamas
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a terrorist organization
dedicated to your country's
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destruction is sending
rockets and incendiary
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balloons armed with
explosive devices aimed at
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your home, your children's
school and your fields.
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Unfortunately, this has
become a reality of life for
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residents of Kibbutz
alluvium. Today, we're going
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to visit the brave people
living in this border
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community to see how they're
coping with the recent
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rocket and fire attacks.
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I live from the kibbutz for
30 years, the security
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situation has changed a lot
since then. In the first
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years, it was a completely
pastoral and peaceful in the
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last actually 18 years or so
since my youngest daughter
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was born. We've started
having threats from rockets
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from from Gaza when the bomb
threat was becoming more and
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more severe, and the first
place that we was protected
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against bombs were they
kindergardens We can't wait
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until we hear a code read if
to know what to do, we spend
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a lot of time preparing. And
we practice with the
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children. They know that if
there's our code read when
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they're on a walk, not do
dog. When they come to their
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house, they know to do it
for if I'm caught between
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one place and the other, and
there's a shelter there, and
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I can go in and practically
it's very important to me.
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That means we have to
provide children and
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families with therapeutic
tools that they can then put
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into practice when they are
in those safe rooms, that
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it's not just a sense of
being completely helpless.
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Okay, what do I do? How do I
cope with my stress? How do
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I cope with all these
thoughts running through my
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mind? It's gonna pass it's
gonna pass How do I calm
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myself down? And then once
everything's clear, once I
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go outside, again, am I
okay? Is she okay? Is he
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okay? I'm in touch with my
family. Is everybody okay? I
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have to get home, how do I
get home, it's it's people
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having to understand how to
like map out their lives,
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we've seen that the impact
has been much, much stronger
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on children on families. Now
we're going through 24 hours
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or 48 hours, or 400 500
pockets a days. And that is
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something much, much harder
to cope with. Consequently,
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symptoms reactions have also
been a lot lot harder. And
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that's demanded from us to
also rethink how we give
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support, how quickly we give
support. What is incredible,
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and it amazes me every time
is to see people's coping
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skills on on how they
function. with us. It's more
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question of, Okay, this is a
situation it is hard, but we
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can cope, we can deal with
it. And we also live in hope
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that it will end it really
will end.
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The Christian embassy, you
have our back, you help us
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knowing that you support us
enables us to help more
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people. And I really mean
that from the bottom of my
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heart to see Christians and
Jews working together, fills
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my heart fills my soul with
absolute joy, and hope. We
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see miracles every day. But
we just have to know to open
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our eyes to them and to
appreciate them. And for me,
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this is America.
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I want to personally thank
you for helping protect
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lives here along the Gaza
border. Because of your
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support, we have been able
to donate these bomb
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shelters, firefighting
trailers, and all terrain
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vehicles to this vulnerable
community in southern
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Israel, and help bring a
sense of security to those
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living so close to danger.
This was all made possible
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because faithful Christian
donors have given to our
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Israeli in crisis Fund,
which enables us to respond
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in real time whenever
emergencies arise. So please
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give today as we stand with
Israel on the front lines
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and help them protect their
future in the promised land.