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    Well, it's almost time
    to begin the presentation.
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    We will begin this last session
    with a presentation on WikiCite,
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    led by Elizabeth Seiver,
    Simon Cobb, and Liam Wyatt.
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    And I'll just let you introduce yourself.
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    Please don't hesitate
    to take notes on Etherpad.
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    Thank you for everything.
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    Alright, let's get started.
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    So, I'm Elizabeth Seiver.
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    I'm the outgoing
    program manager for WikiCite.
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    And I wanted to tell you all
    a little bit about it.
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    Just as a show of hands, how many people
    are already familiar with WikiCite?
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    That's great. I'm just glad
    that so many of you are.
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    I was wondering how many people here--
    I was thinking about it--
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    is just like, "Who are all these people
    putting all the citations
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    in Wikidata and filling it up?"
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    And WikiCite is so much more.
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    So, we're all excited
    to tell you about it today.
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    So, what is WikiCite?
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    The goal of WikiCite
    is to collect all citations
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    for the sum of all human knowledge.
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    You know, just a little something.
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    And we're doing this in a number of ways.
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    And one of them
    is via conferences and workshops
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    and getting together
    the community of people
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    who are interested
    in working on citations.
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    And it's a very diverse group of people.
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    So, of course, we have people
    who are working in Wikidata,
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    and other Wikimedians.
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    We have librarians,
    people into linked open data,
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    software engineers, data scientists,
    open knowledge advocates--
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    coming together about
    linked open bibliographic data.
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    So, in terms of the history of WikiCite,
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    it was founded as an initiative in 2016.
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    And we secured dedicated funding
    for events for three years in 2018.
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    And as I mentioned,
    you're probably familiar with the big--
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    the millions of citations
    that we already have
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    that are hosted on Wikidata.
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    So, what are we doing in WikiCite
    and with all these citations?
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    It's not just about collecting them.
    It's about using them.
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    And it creates so many opportunities
    for new projects.
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    So, one of the things
    you can do with this data
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    is build data models
    for bibliographic item types,
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    which should be exciting for people
    who are into schemas.
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    You can also do open cataloging
    and disambiguation--
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    sorry, my notes are not in sync with this.
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    And people are also building
    tools on top of this.
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    Visualization tools, such as Scholia.
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    If you're interested at all
    in open cataloging,
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    or author disambiguation,
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    or just even figuring out
    how sources link together,
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    WikiCite is a good way to do that.
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    So, in terms of the direction
    that WikiCite is heading in,
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    one of the things
    we're trying to do is expand
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    all the types of things that are cited.
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    Right now, in Wikidata,
    it's mostly journal articles.
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    We'd like to keep growing our community,
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    especially outside of the Global North
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    and outside of English
    language publications.
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    And I realize this is actually something
    that Liam will be talking about.
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    So, what we wanted to do now,
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    to do sort of a deep dive
    into one of the uses of Wikidata.
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    So, for that, I would like
    to introduce Simon Cobb.
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    Hi, everyone.
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    So, what I want to talk about
    is an example of something
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    we could potentially focus on
    within the scope of WikiCite.
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    And that's the data quality issues
    that I've been encountering
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    over the last year, as I've been editing
    on scholarly papers.
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    The three issues I'm going
    to briefly touch on
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    are the quality of the author items
    that are getting attached
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    to scholarly articles,
    issues around DOI formats,
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    and just general curation
    of the data that we're creating.
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    Firstly, we look at some authors.
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    Oh, sorry, firstly,
    I'll provide some context.
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    We've got 26 million
    scholarly article items now.
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    And the data quality issues
    I'm going to talk about,
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    a very small proportion of these
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    are generally creating
    quite good quality data.
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    We have a lot of external identifiers--
    21.65 million PubMed IDs,
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    19 million DOIs, and we've added
    8.3 million author statements,
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    although we still have 105.5 million
    author name strings to replace.
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    In terms of the authors,
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    we've been creating a lot
    of items from ORCID IDs.
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    We've got over half a million items
    with an ORCID ID now.
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    But over 50% of those
    do not have any affiliation data yet.
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    And that's now in employer
    or in educated at.
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    I found 25,000
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    where we only have two statements.
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    That's an ORCID ID,
    and an instance of a human.
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    This isn't particularly
    useful in terms of--
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    we use for anyone else
    and beyond Wikidata.
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    If we're serious about approaching
    a bibliographic database
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    and providing open data for people,
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    we really need to be focusing
    on quality, I believe.
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    So, there's a lot of work to be done.
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    We've done really well
    with automatic input,
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    but I think we need to, in the future,
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    step back and think
    how can we really make this data useful.
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    And one of the ways to do that
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    is by making our author items
    better quality
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    by adding affiliation information,
    adding first names, surnames,
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    and just moving beyond
    occupation researcher,
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    trying to get what field people
    are working in, for example.
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    Moving on to DOIs.
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    When I was looking at how many
    scholarly papers we have now,
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    I immediately noticed that we have DOIs
    that are just four characters.
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    And that is not a correct DOI.
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    We've got about 110 items
    with this DOI format.
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    In the grand scheme of things,
    not that big a problem.
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    But that's never been a correct DOI
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    that's being created
    by an automatic process.
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    No one's checked that and realized
    we had this error and corrected it.
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    So, it's kind of an appeal
    I want to make to people--
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    if you're doing batch imports,
    to check what you're doing,
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    look for these obvious
    data quality problems.
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    And another final issue
    that I've noticed is errata.
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    We have over 13 thousand items
    that are instance of errata,
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    but they're not linked
    to the paper they're correcting.
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    So, I've also produced a table
    of the top ten titles of the--
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    these are errata items.
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    You will notice they're not
    particularly informative.
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    So, as some point,
    we're going to have to go back
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    and look at how we can actually
    get the information
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    about what these errata are correcting,
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    because they're not really
    of much use to anyone at the moment.
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    So, in the future, I hope this is one area
    that we can work on as a community,
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    and we can coordinate a bit better
    with what data imports we're doing,
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    and how we can curate all our data,
    bring it all together,
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    and combine our expertise.
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    I'm going to pass over to Liam now
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    to talk a bit about how we might be able
    to coordinate our efforts in the future.
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    Thank you.
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    So, as mentioned
    in the final slide from Elizabeth,
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    WikiCite is trying to be
    more and more diverse,
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    and high quality, and more widely spread.
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    The idea is over the next year or so,
    with the dedicated funding
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    that's been provided and is available
    over a three-year period,
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    of which we've entered,
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    to change WikiCite-- the conference--
    which there's been a few--
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    into a series of proposals from you,
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    into what we're calling
    "satellite events" around the world.
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    This will be focusing--
    there'll be a call for a proposal system--
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    like reviewing a procedure
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    that is currently not yet invented
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    for deciding on how to--
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    what's the word I'm after--
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    prioritize these requests.
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    And see if we can't get a wider diversity
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    of content contributor and topic
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    supported in the WikiCite umbrella,
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    through this series of satellite events.
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    To that end,
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    the WikiCite grant--
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    was successfully applied for and received
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    through the work
    of WikiCite's father, Dario,
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    who many of you might know
    from the Wikimedia Foundation.
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    Dario no longer works
    with the Wikimedia Foundation,
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    and so this grant has a--
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    needed a home.
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    What has happened
    is that the WikiCite steering committee,
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    primarily made up of the organizing team
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    from last year's WikiCite conference,
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    will continue to oversee this work,
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    and the Wikimedia Foundation
    has hired a temporary
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    or a part-time coordinator,
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    to oversee and support that work,
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    and to promote and receive
    those applications
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    for the satellite events.
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    And that will be me.
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    (laughter and cheers)
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    So, I got the call yesterday
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    so that I could be able
    to like confirm that in--
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    among an audience
    which is highly relevant to that topic.
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    Which is helpful, so I can talk to you
    here and now about that.
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    So, this is listed as a panel
    in the program.
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    Even though it's a bit of a--
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    I think panel is a generous way
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    of describing the three of us
    in this context.
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    But the idea is we would like
    to hear from you
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    on that immediate thought about--
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    or questions to Simon, as well--
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    if you have questions
    for Simon, specifically--
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    about what you think are good directions
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    that should be addressed
    or should be attempted
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    in this forthcoming year,
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    either individually, online--
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    and things that not
    necessarily you can do,
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    but think should be done.
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    And specifically, to start thinking about
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    what a satellite event would mean
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    with relation to open citations
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    and how the community at large
    would best be served
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    by that kind of support.
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    Beyond merely financial,
    but what does support mean
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    for satellite events in open citations
    according to you.
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    If you want to come back up, and we can--
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    Did you have a question?
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    (woman) Ah, yes. I do research
    on predatory publishing
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    and on retractions.
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    You only mentioned errata.
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    So, how are you dealing
    with expressions of concern
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    and retractions?
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    And what is your policy on trying
    to identify predatory publishers?
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    Okay, so, within the scope
    of preparing for this,
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    I wasn't looking at retractions,
    but people have been doing work on that
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    and trying to-- we have a property--
    notice of retractions--
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    so we can be creating those links.
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    I don't know what extent
    that's happened in the same way.
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    Not all the errata are linked
    to the paper that's being corrected.
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    I suspect that's a similar case with--
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    - (woman) It's exactly the same.
    - Yeah.
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    As I said, I wasn't looking at that,
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    but we can potentially link the retraction
    to the retracted article,
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    the retraction notice
    to the retracted article.
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    In terms of predatory publishers,
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    I'm not aware of anyone
    having done any work in this area,
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    but I wouldn't like to say
    that hasn't happened.
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    We have Charles, whose hand
    is going up there.
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    Do you want to comment
    on predatory publishers, Charles?
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    (Charles) Well, I encountered
    this problem in the ScienceSource project.
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    And first of all, I did what I could
    to put fields list in Wikidata format.
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    Fields list isn't sort of what everybody
    wants to be dealing with,
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    but it was a starting point.
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    So, that has been done,
    as far as I was able to.
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    But the thing I rely on more, perhaps,
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    is DOAJ IDs.
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    That is, if we put all the DOAJ IDs
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    into Wikidata,
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    we'd have made a really good attempt
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    to isolate the predatory publishers.
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    And that is not the whole story,
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    but these days,
    it's the bulk of the story.
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    (woman) [Is the directory
    of open access there?]
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    - (Charles) Directory of open access, yes.
    - (woman) Alright, good.
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    (man) To start with, I just spent a year
    traveling around New Zealand
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    trying to explain Wikidata
    to the library community,
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    and as soon as I mentioned WikiCite,
    their eyes rolled,
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    because they've just been told
    they have to be [up] with Wikipedia,
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    Wiki Commons, Wikidata.
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    Here's another Wiki project
    that they need to know about.
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    "Why can't we just do it all
    with Wikidata?" they were saying.
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    So, there's a public perception
    problem straightaway,
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    and that's the very community
    that we need to have onboard
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    for this to work.
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    I'm interested in thinking
    how we are going to reach
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    the library community, educate them,
    and get them integrally involved
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    in this process?
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    I have thoughts, but I'd like
    to hear your thoughts first.
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    - Sure, I think--
    - (assistant) [This one is on.]
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    This better? Alright.
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    Feel like I'm in a concert.
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    So, one of the things we've tried to do
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    is incorporate librarians and libraries
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    into WikiCite in everything that we do.
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    So, on the steering committee,
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    we have at least
    two librarians, if not more.
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    And at our actual WikiCite events,
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    one of the things that's actually
    pretty great about WikiCite
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    is that we end up getting
    both speakers and participants,
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    who maybe are not actually involved
    in any Wiki projects.
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    So, we don't have Wiki fatigue.
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    And a lot of times, they're coming
    from the perspective of...
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    "Well, I'm interested in linked open data,
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    I love to use citations at my university,
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    can you tell me a little bit more
    about how Wikidata works,
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    and how I might use the citations
    that are in Wikidata?"
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    So, I think it's very much
    about bringing these communities together,
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    which might seem disparate,
    around these common goals
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    for people who are really concerned
    about curating data,
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    and then, people who might already know
    about how to do that on Wikidata.
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    I would say, in terms of the confusion,
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    the complexity implied by the question
    of well, there's WikiCite,
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    and there's Wikidata, and there's this...
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    WikiCite is a brand name,
    it's a project-- GLAM-Wiki--
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    GLAM-Wiki also uses the word Wiki,
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    but it's not pretending to be a Wiki
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    or competing with Wikipedia and Wikidata.
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    It's the particular focus area
    of reference information,
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    "referenceable" information.
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    Now, particularly in the context
    of a series of conferences
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    that have happened
    over the last few years,
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    and the conference is called WikiCite--
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    particularly within this community,
    the Wikidata core group,
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    WikiCite is seen, known, understood
    as a large number of items
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    uploaded to Wikidata
    about scholarly publications.
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    That is what is understood as WikiCite
    by this community, mostly.
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    I would like to--
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    there is a question about,
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    could WikiCite be made
    into its own Wikibase
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    of just citation stuff?
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    Not Wikidata, and then there's federation,
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    and funky things like that,
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    and you could put a lot more
    very specific information
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    about individual, citable things there,
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    which is a perfectly valid way
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    of dealing with questions
    of notability and properties.
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    But the technology for doing that
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    is not yet relevant in any way.
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    We need a lot more work,
    particularly on federation in Wikibase
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    to make sure everything syncs neatly.
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    So, until such time
    as that would be a viable outcome,
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    in the meantime, all of the things
    that would serve that kind of outcome
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    also serve just improving
    the quality on Wikidata
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    and improving the links
    with Wikipedia and Wikisource.
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    The brand name is,
    as far as I'm concerned, irrelevant.
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    It's just the project to make
    better footnotes.
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    (woman 2) Just a comment
    in relation to your query
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    about satellite proposals
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    for satellite conferences--
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    I don't think you realize
    the level of ignorance
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    about Wiki-anything
    from our country in New Zealand.
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    I mean, seriously.
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    As an Australian, I recognize
    the ignorance of New Zealanders--
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    (laughter)
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    (woman 2) Oh, [inaudible], come on!
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    What I'm trying to say
    is that if we have a satellite
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    or somehow organize
    a joint satellite conference,
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    from my perspective, what I'm looking for
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    is strategies and how
    to engage the community.
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    They aren't even at the level of being--
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    they don't know enough
    to even be enthusiastic
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    about Wikidata and WikiCite yet.
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    They look at it with a lot of skepticism,
    if they're even aware of it.
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    So I, in particular, want to be able
    to have a meeting
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    in order to be able to learn from those.
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    We've already engaged
    more successfully with the community
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    to get a skill base in order to build
    some collaborations in New Zealand.
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    You're talking about extra people
    to actually engage with.
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    I just want the core library community
    to get on board,
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    and then go the extra step.
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    It's like I'm looking at you saying
    that we want to reach out
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    to other communities,
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    and I'm saying, I just want
    to reach out to a community.
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    You know, we're a lot further
    behind where we are.
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    So, yeah.
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    I would not wish to pretend that WikiCite
    and open bibliographic information
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    is the be-all and end-all of Wikidata
    or Wikimedia outreach.
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    It's a specific subset.
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    And I would not wish to try
    and make WikiCite a brand,
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    appear to be overriding or replacing
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    or somehow getting in the way
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    of just general, good quality outreach
    about Wikimedia,
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    and working with libraries,
    in general, and Wikidata,
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    even more specific.
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    This is a subset of Wikidata.
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    So, particularly, for WikiCite
    satellite events,
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    I don't want to make it appear
    like there's a competition for Wiki--
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    so, everything about Wikidata now
    has to be called WikiCite-- no.
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    This is a really quite niche--
    in the scheme of things-- topic area,
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    supporting general awareness-raising
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    about Wikidata
    and open access information,
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    and Wikimedia is far beyond the scope
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    of this kind of particular
    specialist outreach.
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    And that's not to say
    that it's not a good thing, too.
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    (woman 2) I just perceived--
    sorry, one more comment--
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    WikiCite as the possible inroad
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    to those at the wider community
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    for the people we want to get on board.
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    So, to me, WikiCite is--
    yes, it's a subset,
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    and really a much smaller set
    of beliefs and information, et cetera--
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    but I see it as an easy steppingstone
    to get them addicted,
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    and then you can open it up.
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    So, yeah.
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    (assistant) We have just time
    for one short question.
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    So, one of you have another question
    for the WikiCite team?
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    Thank you for sharing
    this feedback with us.
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    Oh, somebody has a question.
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    (assistant) Which one of you wants to...
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    (woman 3) Hi, thank you so much for this.
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    I was just wondering,
    is there ever going to be
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    a paring of the bibliography
    used in Wikipedia articles and WikiCite?
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    Are you planning to move
    all those references and parse them
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    so that we can do some analyses
    of which references we're using
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    in the Wikipedia articles--
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    and when you create an article
    in another language
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    just to get suggestions of this,
    are the references that have been used,
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    kind of like that.
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    I know one of the short-term goals
    of WikiCite is to have all citations
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    in WikiProjects represented in Wikidata.
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    Currently, there's not
    an automatic pipeline
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    that keeps that updated,
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    but that's definitely one
    of our primary goals.
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    And ultimately, there
    is not specific support
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    in the developer community
    for that kind of activity in particular.
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    That's on the interests
    of individual community members
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    to do exports-- like all this work
    that's been demonstrated
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    that's not from the foundation--
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    people doing individual work
    on their interests.
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    So, that could be a good satellite event
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    to try and explore that kind of work.
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    Getting it a good pipeline
    so that you can make references
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    in Wikipedia's easily hook
    into Wikidata items,
  • 24:36 - 24:38
    multilingual, et cetera--
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    does not yet exist technologically,
  • 24:41 - 24:46
    and certain languages
    have concerns about that.
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    The larger the Wikipedia language,
    the more defensive they are
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    about using Wikidata directly.
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    But that'll come.
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    Yeah, I was just going to say
    when Liam's finished with that--
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    that it's strictly citations or something
    that are very much within scope,
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    and what we would like to work for,
    but that needs community to build this,
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    to take on that challenge, I think.
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    And also, we need to be doing the outreach
    to the Wikipedians to show them
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    that we can provide good
    quality data consistently.
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    (assistant) We are running out of time.
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    So, if someone has another question
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    I think that these nice people
    will ask you privately after.
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    So, it's time for us,
    for the last edition,
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    and we are welcoming on stage.
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    Jean-Fred, Envel, and...
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    (applause)
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