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Gloria Spindle – Peng! Collective: Intelexit

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    Now I am very happy to have you all here
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    for the next talk on a really important topic.
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    And we all called last year for
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    more creative campaigns on all our issues,
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    that we talk about here at congress.
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    And so the Peng! Collective thought about
    a
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    really creative campaign that also got a lot
    of
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    attention in the last year.
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    And because they call for all
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    the intelligence officers to really exit
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    their careers and to find some other
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    more valuable service to our society,
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    I'm very honoured to introduce to you
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    Gloria Spindle to you,
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    who is a former Google nest employee,
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    -You might remember that great campaign-
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    and will now present the "Intelexit" to you.
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    Thank you! Your Applause!
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    applause
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    Gloria: Hello!
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    And hello to all the live streaming people
    out there as well.
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    Blubb blubb we can see you!
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    I hear they're a lot maybe more than
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    what's in this room.
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    All the lights are dimming.
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    Okay, so! I don't know if anyone else
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    is as interested in the parts
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    of the Snowdon documents as I am,
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    which are the kind of little cultural titbits
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    that you find that give you a sense of
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    what it's like to be within the secret service.
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    I'm really kind of fascinated by this particular
    gentleman.
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    The SIGINT Philosopher, who was a columnist
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    for the NSA on internal news letter
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    and he is really quite creative
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    and he writes a lot of pieces
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    of the ethical quandaries of working
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    in the secret services.
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    And most of them end with just like:
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    "You should just like keep your head down
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    and you should just keep doing what you're
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    supposed to be doing,
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    'cause that's the best way to go ahead
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    and protect your county."
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    So this quote is really the kind of crux
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    of what Intelexit Initiative is founded on.
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    We recognize that people who are working
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    in the secret services and I'm sure
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    some of you in the audience tonight
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    are working in the secret services
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    -pretty certain disgruntled, maybe unhappy,
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    maybe ethically confused people working
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    in spy agencies, maybe you're just a contractor
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    and you feel like: Oh I'm not so involved,
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    but I still feel like I have blood on my hands.
    -
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    And those are the people that Intelexit is
    talking to.
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    That was like have a clap.. I mean come on,
    people!
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    applause
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    Thank you! Thank you! Jesus!
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    Don't be afraid of clapping!
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    So those are the people that Intelexit
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    is really talking to.
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    And we wanted to reach out to those people,
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    'cause there hasn't been a campaign yet
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    that is actually recognized,
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    that they are humans working,
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    thousands and thousands of people
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    going every day to their surveillance jobs,
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    operating drones
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    and even the people who are just
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    answering emails or you know pushing paper,
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    running the photocopy machine,
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    if they even have those.
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    -Who knows what they have in there-
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    Those People,
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    they are people who obviously
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    have ethical issues about working
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    in this systems
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    and feel responsible for mass surveillance,
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    drone warfare and the slow maybe fast
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    degradation of democracy as we know it.
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    So, introducing Intelexit!
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    applausechuckle
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    So what Intelexit does is
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    it's an initiative, civil initiative
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    grounded in the idea that we need to find
    a way
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    to support people who want to leave
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    their jobs at the secret services
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    and we need to normalize the idea of quitting.
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    applause
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    Because actually it's a very just and
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    sometimes honourable thing to do,
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    just to follow your ethics and
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    give up your job,
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    if you don't feel like you're contributing
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    to society in a good way.
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    So that why Intelexit pitch.
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    Some of you might know:
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    I'm from Peng! as I was introduce earlier
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    and we are known for our hoax
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    and our media hacks and our culture jamming.
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    So intelexit is been a really, really interesting
    campaign for us
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    and I explain it as I go.
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    Because of course you see it's a bit of
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    performance and bit of humour
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    but it's also very serious at the same time.
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    So to introduce Peng! to you
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    for those who don't know.
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    Here we were... this was re:publica
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    impersonating Google managers and
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    presenting some really creepy,
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    data collecting products.
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    A personal drone for daily life, an App
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    that monitors your well being, emotional well
    being,
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    and matches you with other people who also
    need a hug
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    and creepy thing about that is most
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    of this distopian visions have now actually
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    come to light and are existing
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    in the real world today.
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    Actually people do use drones
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    to follow their children to school.
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    That's a real thing.
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    So and here we are impersonating the
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    leading party of Germany
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    and here we are in live television cracking
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    an egg over the head of a presenter of a
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    very dodgy television program
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    and this was your program to self....
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    provide self help for trolls, sexist trolls
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    on twitter
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    and this was our self help coach.
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    We had a bot army which was analyse...
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    we had an language analysis happening on twitter
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    and we had an army of 160 bots
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    which were going out and enrolling trolls
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    on twitter into our self help program
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    and sending them nice inspirational videos
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    every day to help cure them.
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    applause
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    So as you can see we have a...
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    we utilize a range of techs and techniques
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    in what we call campaigning.
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    Some people call it art,
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    some people call it theatre,
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    some people call it a joke,
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    some call it entertainment,
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    but we see it as campaigning
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    and what we are constantly trying to do
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    is shift the narrative.
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    We look at... shift the narrative around
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    various social justice issues.
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    We look at issues we think that really need
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    a kind of different spin happening in the
    media
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    and we take them and we find a way to
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    reframe them and them we push them out
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    and we hope we get a lot of attention.
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    So we started looking at the issue of
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    surveillance and the secret services.
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    And well quickly one runs into the obstacle
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    of how do you talk about this.
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    Like we have this clichés of, you know,
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    the eye and, you know, Edward Snowden face
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    and we have this visuals that kind of
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    don't mean anything any more
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    and everyone really struggles to actually
    understand
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    what the issue means and how do we talk about
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    the secret services, when they're completely
    inaccessible to us.
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    So this a photo for example of the regulations
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    for taking photographs at Fort Meade.
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    You see you not really allowed to talk photographs
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    of the buildings.
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    So if you start with that as a kind of metaphor
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    for the inaccessibility of the secret services
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    to our general culture.
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    We don't even have visuals for them.
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    We've got like one photo of the NSA
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    that floats around the internet
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    and just gets repurposed and repurposed.
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    We can't access this people, we can't access
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    their structures, we can't access their information.
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    Yes we have leaks now, but like do we actually
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    open it up more.
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    And that was the question we kept asking ourself.
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    You've got this issue of intangibility
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    and then you also got the issue that
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    everything is so secret.
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    I mean even if a Christmas card is send internally
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    in the NSA it's classified as top secret.
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    Then you've got technology which is so complicated
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    the general public can't understand it
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    and it's like all this acronyms and this like
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    weird float charts and bad design
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    and it's just really complicated.
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    And then of course there is fear.
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    And Fear is really crippling for activists
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    like ourselfs, for society. It is like really
    difficult.
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    We don't want to press this issue.
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    We don't want to step into it,
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    because it's scary, because once you step
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    into it, it means that you are a target of
    course.
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    And all finally enough fear is also the way
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    the narrative is often shaped.
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    What we use, when we trying to rise awareness
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    about it. We make people afraid.
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    We, know you, we talk about this invisible,
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    dark danger surveillance creeping in on us.
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    None knows, if they are watch or not.
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    And this is we think a narrative that really
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    needs to be shifted.
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    So we wanted to find a way to bring hope,
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    to bring a positive image to this narrative
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    and also to bring it down to humans
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    like not to talk about technology,
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    not to talk about this hard and complex systems
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    but to talk about the people
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    and talk to the people who are upholding
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    this structures.
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    So this is what we came up with:
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    Right now thousands of people work in the
    shadow
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    of the intelligence community.
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    They don't ask questions.
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    They follow orders.
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    Keep their head down,
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    do their work,
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    but what happens, when you see something
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    you can't forget?
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    And you realize that the system you are
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    caught up is shipping away our democracy
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    every hour, every day.
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    You feel stuck,
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    overwhelmed.
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    Some people have already made the decision
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    to leave.
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    Others are thinking about it every day.
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    Intelexit helps people break free from the
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    intelligence community
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    and build a new life.
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    Expose yourself within the system you
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    openly end up being forced out of the system.
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    I remember confronting my immediate supervisor
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    the number 3 person: What are we doing?
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    We are violating the constitution!
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    Many secret service employees are disillusioned.
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    Why are we taking equipment
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    -it is traditionally for foreign facing, outward
    facing-
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    and we're now instrumenting our networks
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    within the united states of America?
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    If you're surveilling the population you're
    all on the same side.
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    Right? You want all the data and you want
    talk to people who have the most data.
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    So NSA is a nexus of surveillance for the
    world.
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    It's what ever you get away with.
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    That was part of the "game".
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    And what ever would serve as of "national
    security".
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    When one is forced to act against one's
    moral view, he can experience
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    extreme levels of what we call cognitive
    dissonance.
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    "Ich hatte damals keine Hilfe. Ich hab 10
    Jahre gebraucht um zu erkennen"
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    "Wofür ich bei der Staatssicherheit verantwortlich
    gewesen bin."
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    I was radioactive because
    I'm questioning what are we doing.
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    Where do you then go?
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    Where do you recreate your life?
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    What Intelexit does is help individuals
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    transition from the world on the inside
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    to the world on the outside.
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    "Wissen sie dieser Intelexit Verein ist
    wirklich eine gute Sache."
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    The more you can move from the inside
    to the outside,
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    the better you'll integrate into the real
    world.
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    What is really great about Intelexit is
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    that it helps people to confront their fears.
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    So take it from me:
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    If you're looking to get out,
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    try Intelexit!
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    roaring applause
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    I was really impressed by Bruce Schneier there.
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    Bruce Schneier is just amazing without end.
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    I mean who knew he had those talents.
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    Someone take him to acting school.
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    Like, it's amazing!
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    Okay, so then we made the video,
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    but of course we knew, we know that the
    people that we are talking to
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    the spies, are some of the most introverted
    people in the world.
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    And probably some of them the people that
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    most stuck in a filter bubble in the world.
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    So we knew we had to kind of take our preach
    further
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    and we had to go to where they are.
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    So you know we thought big and we pretended
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    we just forgot about that we didn't really
    have a budget.
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    And so we just hired a van. 'Cause that's
    what you do.
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    So we just hired this van and drove around
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    Fort Meade and the NSA buildings,
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    tried as much as we could to get as close
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    to them as possible as we could.
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    applause
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    So this is outside Lockheed Martin
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    on a national business parkway.
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    The main area of all the NSA contractors_ress
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    and they are really best friend with the NSA
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    and now they started making drones as well.
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    It's supplying technology for the NSA
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    and the military and what ever.
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    so that was parked outside there
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    giving them a like strong moral push
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    with the slogan.
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    And then we went to one of the most popular
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    cafes were NSA contractors sit for lunch.
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    This café JOE. So we parked out there
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    during lunch time as well.
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    applause
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    And then of course, because you can't talk
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    about the secret service in one country
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    without talking about the other ones,
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    'cause they are all in bed with each other,
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    we of course had to go to the UK as well.
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    So here we are outside the "Donut" and
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    this is us trying... to be honest
    laughing
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    that's trying to hand out flyer, brochures
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    to the people. You know this was our plan.
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    You know we wanted to hand out to the
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    employees on their way to work.
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    And they were just like.. were like been briefed..
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    or I don't know. They were just like ignoring
    us.
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    And also maybe we didn't brief that guy
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    very well on how to dress as a Intelexit
    ambassador.
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    And then we hit all the... laughing
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    applause
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    This is outside the Dagger Complex in Germany.
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    One of the let alone spots for the NSA
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    where they kind of have a central house
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    for the signals gathering in Europe,
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    being written about in the Spiegel.
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    Very secret, very difficult to get there as
    well.
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    And there we are a the area from the other
    side.
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    And that is the antenna from the Dagger Complex.
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    And then we also went to Wiesbaden with is
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    the traditional home of the US military in
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    Germany.
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    And then Clay Kaserne Building!
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    This is where supposedly forth coming
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    is going to be NSA biggest buildings
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    and operations in Europe also all very secret.
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    None knows what's going on.
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    And then we when to the US Embassy in Berlin.
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    And this for non German speakers just says:
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    "Enough with paranoia!"
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    This is why we had the like data stick
    pineapple on there.
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    "We helping you to get out of the secret services!"
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    And then we went to the German secret
    services as well.
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    This is there new office block,
    the BundesNachrichtenDienst
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    and we also went to the old office
    just in case.
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    And then we went to... -we do a lot in a week-
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    we went to the Verfassungsschutz which is
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    the domestic intelligence in Germany.
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    And this is located in Köln and to remind
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    them about -so the Verfassungsschutz actually
    stands for roughly translated in english is:
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    Protectors of the constitution-
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    and in order to remind them about
    the constitution
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    we stuck the constitution on their wall there.
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    And then
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    applause
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    And then there they are ripping it up.
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    This is like a dream we had for a very long
    time
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    and finally we have realized it. laughing
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    And then we thought we take a bigger step...
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    music
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    applause
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    According to sources, intelexit website
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    was block on the internal network
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    after that drop.
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    So that was our week and that was Intelexit.
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    And I just want to share a few learnings
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    with you, because it was very
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    interesting campaign for us
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    and one of a kind really.
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    So I think the first thing on a very kind
    of
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    just basic level is that it is possible
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    to talk about this issue without creating
    fear,
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    without making everyone, you know,
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    really worried about their information
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    and the data and their just general feeling
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    of well-being.
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    There is a way of kind of shift the narrative
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    and look more at the outside and stop
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    holding the defences.
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    Okay, then second thing is that
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    they are just as good in faking as we are.
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    This was the responds from the GCHQ to a
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    journalist question for an article about
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    intelexit, which is amazing,
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    because we basically just said that they do
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    anything unlawful and they actively encourage
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    staff to discuss any concerns that they have
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    inside, which we all know it's not true.
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    And they also they really pride themselfs
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    on the structures they have in place to
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    support this.
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    So I think this was the biggest surprise
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    for us.
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    Like we are always dealing in this kind of
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    projecting of either utopias or distopias
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    out into the world
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    and sometimes when you have a vision
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    and you project something out,
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    actually it kind of turns into a reality.
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    And that's what happened.
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    You know, we played this line of
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    yes it's sort of a fake, but at the same time
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    we really mean what we putting out here.
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    Yes, we actually think there should be an
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    Intelexit Foundation created.
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    And there should be loads of money
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    flowing in for people who want to get out.
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    And there should be a civil way to exit.
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    applause
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    But, you know, what can we do?
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    We're just like a small art collective
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    in Berlin. You know.
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    We can make a big wave, but we're
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    quite limited on our resources.
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    But actually we got responses,
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    we got people coming to us
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    and that was a real surprise
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    and we realised we have a lot of responsibility,
    too.
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    And so, this is the other learning that
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    there is no clear line between insanity
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    and reality.
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    So you kind of constantly, when you get
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    people contacting you this like,
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    of course you get people who think that
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    they are pursued by the CIA
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    or think that they used to work at the secret
    service
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    and then there is people who talk to aliens
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    and these kinds of things
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    and then get people with really legitimate
    stories
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    and there is a kind of constant balance
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    and we really had to learn how to
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    assess this.
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    And luckily we had amazing support from
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    investigative journalists, particularly from
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    whistle-blower platform who have experience
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    with this and help us.
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    But that just part of the game.
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    Okay, I think this is our other learning,
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    that we realised, that
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    at the end of this week,
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    there really is a need for this.
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    There is a need to respond to kind of
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    discourse that's out there
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    and create a new one
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    and then there is also really a need to
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    provide this kind of support and
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    actually reach out to people who are
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    trapped in these structures and want to get
    out.
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    So we've been working really hard and trying
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    to build up networks of support with people
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    who have legal skills,
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    who have psychological training
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    and who can also help, if people want to
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    get out and leak or blow the whistle,
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    who can help with that.
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    So we kind of at the moment when people come
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    we are trying to direct them to the right
    resources.
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    Because of cause we're not
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    a whistle blowing platform.
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    And we are not a legal organisation,
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    so we can't provide a lot of things,
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    but we have good networks and we can try
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    and connect people with them.
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    So what's coming next?
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    We are trying to build up our infrastructure
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    so that people can actually a very secure
    way
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    to contact us.
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    We are building up this network of support
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    and we want to create a list of future
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    employers for people who actually do leave
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    the secret services so that they can find
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    places to get jobs afterwards.
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    And we want to continue doing more
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    outreach and more campaigning on this issue
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    and I think that that is our main goal.
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    applause
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    That's a safe within a safe,
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    which is now part of our kind of secure
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    infrastructure in our offices,
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    thanks to the support of very experienced
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    and knowledgeable expert people
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    who can help us set up the kind of
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    the best way for people to kind of
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    to enter the risk assessment to enter the
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    best means of communicating with us.
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    And then on our outreach plans
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    we really want to create a way to talk to
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    people who're working in the secret services
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    for an every day person in this audience
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    or on the stage just to call up the NSA
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    or the BND or the GCHQ and get through
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    to someone who is sitting in their office
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    on their phone and have a conversation
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    with them like callcenter-style.
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    You know like: How are you doing today?
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    Can we talk about your job?
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    How do you feel about working at the
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    secret services?
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    We want to create an anonymous reaching
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    system for someone to call completely
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    anonymously to a set of numbers
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    which we can't reveal the source of
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    and to reach out to these people.
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    So of course we need support and help.
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    And these are all the things you can help
    us with.
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    If you got skills, we need all kinds of skills,
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    we need skills to build up this call center
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    operation ours, so that people can actually
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    anonymously call and we can have something
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    that is very exciting and we can premier at
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    events.
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    So that you can actually have
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    call center operations on stage calling up
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    doing it live.
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    And then we also need people who will
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    translate our materials.
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    We would like to get them into other
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    languages, we only have English and German
    atm.
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    And we would like to kind of reach out more
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    internationally.
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    And if you've got connections,
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    well that's as always good,
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    if you've got people who are lawyers,
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    who have experience working with people
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    who are either in trauma or
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    people who have been in the secret service
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    for example.
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    Legal skills, psychological skills,
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    journalists - we need all those kinds of
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    connections in different jurisdictions.
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    We are pretty well set up in Berlin and
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    in Germany, but we really need help
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    in the UK and the US as well for now.
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    And then if you've got ideas for outreach
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    for new actions we are also really open
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    to hearing those.
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    We've got the call center idea at the moment.
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    Calling up the spies.
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    We want new ideas and if you know people
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    who are working there just have that
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    conversation with them.
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    Just start a conversation about you know,
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    ethics of the workplace.
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    applause
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    And now... the big question...
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    And I even do that to say how important it
    is.
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    If you like Peng!s work we are not ashamed
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    any more. We were ashamed for a long time
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    to ask for money,
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    but we're not ashamed any more.
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    We live of idealism alone, people,
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    and we need help to keep our actions going!
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    This year I think we did 6 actions or something
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    really large campaigns and we need help to
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    kind of support our infrastructure,
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    to support our staff,
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    to support our projects more than anything,
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    so that we can keep on doing what we are doing.
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    So we've developed a way for you to become
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    a monkey donator which I highly recommend
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    great feelings of positivity and love will
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    travel with you for many years after
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    you have done this.
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    Mother Theresa said:
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    If you can't feed a hundred penguins,
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    then just feed one."
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    So, feed one of us!
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    Even if it's just like the pinky finger of
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    one of us and sign up for year to
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    keep seeing great action coming out
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    from Peng!
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    and that's me.
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    And we've got one more thing,
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    surprise!
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    So we have one other way to donate,
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    which is that you can buy one of the
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    awesome Intelexit T-shirts,
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    which Paul is gonna come here and model
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    for us quickly.
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    laughingapplause
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    And there's a run for your life!
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    That's the kind of lame one...
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    but these ones are cool!
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    Thank you!
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    Are we meeting afterwards?
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    I think we're going to have...
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    We don't have time for questions
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    and answers now.
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    But we really want to get feedback
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    from people.
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    I think there is an IRC Chat or Radio happening,
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    but if people want to come we're going
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    to meet.
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    Where are we meeting?
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    In front!
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    laughing
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    Of this huge hall.
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    Can someone give me a location,
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    I only got here today...
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    Can you give us a location?
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    Herald: Okay, So it's sensable to meet
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    at the tea tent I suppose.
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    Gloria: Tea tent!
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    In 15 minutes!
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    Herald: In front of hall 2, there is a big
    tea tent,
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    where you get tea, where you also
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    meet many other people who are working
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    in this direction therefore, right?
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    Gloria: Yes!
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    Herald: And I have one question still,
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    because you told we can support on the Internet
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    is there also a way to donate anonymously?
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    Gloria: Well, you can donate with bitcoin
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    or you can just give us cash.
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    Herald: Everybody, big pills of cash,
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    bring them here!
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    Gloria: Not saying no to cash...
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    Herald: Thank you, Gloria!
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    Gloria: A, they got a bag!
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    Herald: And there is a bag for cash!
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    laughing
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    Gloria: You can put it in very anonymously
    here.
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    laughing
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    Herald: Bring your blocking for your face
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    if you really want to be anonymous.
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    Thank you, Gloria!
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    Everybody who wants to come,
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    please go to the tea tent!
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    applause
Title:
Gloria Spindle – Peng! Collective: Intelexit
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