Dismantling conflicts by listening | Priel Korenfeld | TEDxUdine
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0:13 - 0:15What a day, huh?
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0:15 - 0:19How do you like TED? Do you like it?
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0:19 - 0:20Good.
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0:20 - 0:22I like them too!
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0:22 - 0:26In order to explain you
what my feelings are right now, -
0:26 - 0:31you have to know that in 2005,
when I found TEDTalks on the web, -
0:32 - 0:34I went completely crazy!
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0:34 - 0:38there are very few talks
that I didn't watch, from 2005 till now. -
0:38 - 0:41So it's a lot of hours.
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0:41 - 0:44Some of them were wasted,
others were truly enjoyed, -
0:44 - 0:45with many stories.
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0:45 - 0:49So first I learned what a TEDTalk is,
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0:49 - 0:53then in 2007 I came to Italy,
and learned Italian. -
0:53 - 0:58So now I am almost ready
to deliver a TEDTalk in Italian -
0:58 - 1:01to discuss something
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1:01 - 1:03I care about a lot,
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1:03 - 1:05with all of you.
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1:05 - 1:08And I want to start
from my arrival in Italy. -
1:08 - 1:11Mind you this scene:
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1:11 - 1:15Me and my new flatmate,
we open our baggage -
1:15 - 1:19and start accommodating
in our new double room, -
1:19 - 1:20right in the centre of Udine.
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1:22 - 1:24I am from Israel,
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1:25 - 1:27he's from Palestine.
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1:28 - 1:31In the following three years
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1:31 - 1:33we will live with other young people
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1:33 - 1:36coming from countries in conflict,
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1:36 - 1:37We will share this flat learning
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1:37 - 1:41learning a whole lot of things
about one another. -
1:42 - 1:45And as many things about ourselves.
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1:46 - 1:49He takes out some photos,
and puts it on the drawer; -
1:49 - 1:51And then he takes out
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1:51 - 1:54the Palestine's National Flag.
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1:54 - 1:56Then he turns to me and asks:
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1:56 - 2:00"Excuse me, where is your flag?
I don't see it on the wall. -
2:00 - 2:03And I don't want to put it
if you don't put yours first" -
2:05 - 2:08To this I reply quite awkwardly:
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2:08 - 2:11"I didn't take my flag.
I'm not very much into these things. -
2:11 - 2:15But it does looks like a good idea,
so I'll look for a solution." -
2:16 - 2:18And so I did.
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2:19 - 2:23This is actually the room
where we lived together. -
2:23 - 2:25(Public): You deserve an applause.
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2:25 - 2:26PK: (Laughs)
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2:26 - 2:28(Applause)
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2:31 - 2:32Thank you.
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2:34 - 2:39And this is just the beginning,
I cannot stop it here, right? -
2:40 - 2:45See, it seems more and more difficult
to live on this Earth. -
2:45 - 2:47This was ten years ago.
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2:47 - 2:49And it seems to be even worse now.
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2:50 - 2:52Everything seems to be in crisis:
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2:53 - 2:59political crisis, economics crisis,
crisis of values, environmental crisis. -
2:59 - 3:02Crisis of lovers, of migrants,
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3:02 - 3:05Sometimes you don't even have to specify.
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3:05 - 3:10You just have to say "the crisis"
as a universal explanation. -
3:11 - 3:14Well, in this mess
only one thing is clear to me: -
3:16 - 3:17if we want to live better,
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3:17 - 3:21get away from this mess together,
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3:24 - 3:27then we must learn to live together.
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3:28 - 3:32We have to learn to live together.
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3:36 - 3:38Everything seems broken, right?
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3:38 - 3:45Tonight I want to tell you, instead,
what I learned about about this topic. -
3:46 - 3:48Are you in for this?
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3:49 - 3:53What would happen if,
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3:53 - 3:56rather than being scared,
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3:58 - 4:02rather than breaking down everything,
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4:03 - 4:07rather than living this momentous changes
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4:07 - 4:08with anxiety,
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4:08 - 4:12and it's the same anxiety
on both sides... -
4:12 - 4:15Those who comes in Italy from faraway
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4:15 - 4:17are worried about being excluded,
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4:17 - 4:21And those who live in Italy
and see the immigrations, -
4:21 - 4:23are afraid of being excluded,
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4:24 - 4:25that's the real tragedy.
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4:25 - 4:30And our future society
will be more and more multicultural, -
4:30 - 4:35multi-religious, multiethnic.
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4:35 - 4:38And if we fail to get ready
for this reality, -
4:38 - 4:40the consequences will be dramatic,
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4:40 - 4:43Everything will really break down.
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4:43 - 4:48What will happen, however,
if instead we'll be smart enough -
4:48 - 4:53to prepare ourselves, our kids and society
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4:53 - 4:55for this new future,
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4:55 - 4:59where humankind keeps communicating,
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4:59 - 5:03and creating new identities?
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5:03 - 5:07Keep evolving, dreaming together,
as we heard earlier? -
5:08 - 5:10What future can be envisioned?
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5:10 - 5:12Because progress will only go forward,
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5:12 - 5:16and we have got to adapt to it.
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5:18 - 5:20To let you understand what it means,
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5:22 - 5:23We lived in seven in that flat
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5:23 - 5:25But then we always told around
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5:25 - 5:30That there was another guy with us,
a sort of little monster. -
5:30 - 5:33A monster that we friendly named
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5:33 - 5:35"Misunderstanding"
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5:36 - 5:40Because misunderstandings
were commonplace among us -
5:41 - 5:43And they could be small,
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5:43 - 5:46like all those cups of tea
that I made in excess, -
5:46 - 5:48just because I didn't understand
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5:48 - 5:52that this movement of the head,
for Turkish people, means "No" -
5:52 - 5:53(Laughter)
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5:55 - 5:58It took, I'd say,
two and a half litres of tea -
5:58 - 6:00to figure out the problem,
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6:00 - 6:01so I asked him:
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6:01 - 6:04"Didn't you ask it?" - "No, I did this!"
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6:04 - 6:06"That's the point,
did you mean yes or no?" -
6:06 - 6:09It might be this kind
of misunderstandings; -
6:09 - 6:12but it could be more serious ones as well.
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6:13 - 6:15As happened once, that I do remeber well.
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6:15 - 6:18After a meeting in a school,
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6:18 - 6:21a meeting I was
particularly satisfied about, -
6:21 - 6:24my Palestinian friend looks thoughtful,
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6:24 - 6:25a bit gloomy.
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6:26 - 6:27And I ask,
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6:27 - 6:29in order to investigate what happened.
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6:29 - 6:32Only to realize, he is not thoughtful:
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6:32 - 6:34he is mad, and he's mad at me!
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6:35 - 6:40"What did I do?" I ask him,
and he bursts: "Don't you realize?" -
6:40 - 6:43With another accent,
but that is a different story. -
6:43 - 6:46"Don't you understand?"
As my girlfriend typically says. -
6:47 - 6:49.. And.
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6:50 - 6:54Oh, my clock fell,
to show the problems of time -
6:55 - 6:56And he -
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6:57 - 6:59I keep investigating about that meeting,
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6:59 - 7:01that went so well in my opinion.
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7:01 - 7:04But he didn't agree.
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7:04 - 7:07He recalls, at one point of the meeting
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7:07 - 7:12I crossed my legs, turning my shoe to him
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7:13 - 7:19That day I realized, in the Arab world
this is deemed a harsh offence. -
7:21 - 7:23And the most disrespected politicians
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7:23 - 7:26are not thrown at eggs,
or tomatoes, but indeed shoes! -
7:27 - 7:31Hence, that day I realized
I still had a long way to go -
7:33 - 7:37But over time -- and we're
talking about time today, -
7:37 - 7:41we learned to know each others.
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7:41 - 7:45We learned a lot about our identities,
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7:47 - 7:48and identity does matter.
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7:48 - 7:53Many times, when we speak about it,
it seems to be something clear: -
7:53 - 7:55a rigid, unambiguous object,
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7:55 - 7:57much like the ID card, right?
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7:59 - 8:00But that is not the case.
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8:00 - 8:02Identities help us define people,
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8:02 - 8:05Like, this guy is Italian,
this is an immigrant, -
8:05 - 8:08This is a muslim,
this is a Jewish, and so on. -
8:09 - 8:10And as a consequence,
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8:10 - 8:13we label these people
with different attributes, -
8:13 - 8:14So:
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8:15 - 8:18Italians? Mafiosi!
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8:18 - 8:21Jewish? All rich people!
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8:23 - 8:25Friulians? (local dialect)
Always working! -
8:26 - 8:30Not you though, because you're here:
the ones out there! -
8:32 - 8:33Well,
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8:33 - 8:35This is dangerous,
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8:35 - 8:39Because if I consider
a single dimension of your being, -
8:40 - 8:41it's a short step to the conflict.
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8:42 - 8:46If I believe in God and you don't,
we will never agree on anything, -
8:46 - 8:47right?
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8:48 - 8:50No, it is not right!
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8:50 - 8:55We know it is not like this, because -
are you more father or son? -
8:57 - 9:01Are you more religious or Italian?
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9:02 - 9:05More woman or believer?
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9:05 - 9:08These things are not mutually exclusive!
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9:08 - 9:14Our identities are never flat,
but multidimensional! -
9:16 - 9:20Sometimes conflictual, within ourselves,
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9:20 - 9:24but always colourful
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9:24 - 9:25And so -
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9:25 - 9:27if I learn to know
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9:27 - 9:30and dedicate time
to know my Palestinian friend, -
9:30 - 9:35I figure out that he is a believer,
a Muslim, but in its own way, -
9:35 - 9:37I found he's patriotic,
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9:37 - 9:39but extremely critical
on his own government. -
9:41 - 9:43I found he lives on sugar,
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9:43 - 9:46he really dump it down
like there's no tomorrow. -
9:46 - 9:49But I can withstand hot food
better than him! -
9:51 - 9:55So the more dimensions
I discover about him -
9:56 - 9:58The more I understand
what we have in common, -
9:58 - 10:02And these common grounds intertwine
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10:02 - 10:04and weave together
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10:04 - 10:08a sort of safety net for our relationship.
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10:08 - 10:10Let me tell you why.
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10:10 - 10:14If we will start arguing again
on one of the dimensions, -
10:14 - 10:16like faith or politics,
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10:16 - 10:20or spicy food or sugar,
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10:20 - 10:22we argue about that specific dimension,
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10:22 - 10:27But both of us know
so many other things about each other -
10:27 - 10:32that even if we break
one single thread of this net -
10:33 - 10:38The fabric holds, and we
can stay together the same. -
10:38 - 10:41And this is the same thing
happening between families and friends! -
10:41 - 10:43It is not that people do not argue!
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10:43 - 10:46We argue, but there is
so much more that binds us. -
10:47 - 10:50But it took us time
for getting to know each other. -
10:52 - 10:55And now you will tell me now,
like the previous applause, -
10:55 - 10:59"Ah but this was a special case,
a special project! -
10:59 - 11:02You were cut for it,
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11:02 - 11:04maybe selected among many others
in Palestine and Israel, -
11:04 - 11:06The good ones, right?I
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11:08 - 11:12So you are special people!
Much Like Gandhi, in a sense! -
11:12 - 11:16Non-violent people,
as if it was a matter of genetics. -
11:16 - 11:21Well, so tonight I am asking you,
What is the non-violence? -
11:21 - 11:25How do we make it?
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11:25 - 11:28And this is nothing philosophical,
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11:28 - 11:31If I want to be pacific, non-violent,
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11:31 - 11:34I have to know how to behave,
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11:34 - 11:38But words fail to help me,
they just say what I'm not supposed to do: -
11:39 - 11:40non - violence.
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11:40 - 11:44But they are not giving me
positive recommendations, -
11:45 - 11:48So for many years
I wondered about violence, -
11:48 - 11:52And tried to work out a clear
and sound definition for violence. -
11:52 - 11:55For if I can define it well,
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11:55 - 12:00Maybe I can find a good definition
of its opposite, the contrary, -
12:00 - 12:04So I can work in that direction.
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12:06 - 12:08It was not easy, it took some years,
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12:08 - 12:10but today --
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12:11 - 12:16let me show you my definition,
that I drew from Hebrew. -
12:16 - 12:17That's clear, right?
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12:19 - 12:25Above is the Hebrew word
for violence: "alimut". -
12:26 - 12:30Below is another Hebrew word
with the same etymological root. -
12:32 - 12:37And the second word is "ilem":
"deaf", one who cannot speak. -
12:38 - 12:40What is the connection?
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12:42 - 12:49I conclude, that violence
is the act of muting. -
12:52 - 12:54And pay attention!
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12:54 - 12:57This is true both at oral,
physical, ideological level, -
12:57 - 12:59everything you want!
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12:59 - 13:01And not only that, it also means
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13:01 - 13:05we don't necessarily have
to use force, to be violent. -
13:05 - 13:10It just takes not listening to people,
and ignoring what they say. -
13:12 - 13:13In fact, how annoying is it
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13:13 - 13:16when someone pretends to talk with us
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13:16 - 13:18while looking at his mobile phone?
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13:20 - 13:23We don't immediately ask,
"Hey, are you listening to me?" -
13:24 - 13:26Here's the point:
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13:26 - 13:30if violence is the act
of making someone mute, -
13:30 - 13:32its opposite is listening.
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13:34 - 13:37And not just the kind of listening
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13:37 - 13:40where I get ready to reply
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13:40 - 13:43because I already know
what you're going to tell me -
13:43 - 13:44and what I am going to reply back!
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13:44 - 13:46This is not listening.
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13:46 - 13:49I heard a definition saying
that this is a "bi-logue": -
13:49 - 13:55it is two monologues together,
but we are not really speaking. -
13:55 - 13:57This is listening -
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13:59 - 14:03Listening is assuming
that I might not have understood it. -
14:03 - 14:06I did not understand why I made
too much cups of tea, -
14:07 - 14:08and I had to learn it.
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14:08 - 14:11I didn't understand I have offended,
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14:11 - 14:13and how I did it,
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14:13 - 14:15my Palestinian friend at the meeting.
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14:15 - 14:20And so we don't understand
a lot of things about other people. -
14:22 - 14:27It is only when we
deliberately dedicate time -
14:27 - 14:31to actively listen to people,
especially if they differ from us, -
14:31 - 14:36it is only when we realise
we did not understand others yet, -
14:36 - 14:40that we can understand better,
that we can know each other -
14:40 - 14:44And this is my definition of nonviolence.
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14:45 - 14:47So:
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14:52 - 14:55these days, and we speak
about time tonight, -
14:55 - 14:59In these turbulent, difficult times,
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15:01 - 15:06all our fragilities come out,
and we look for stability. -
15:07 - 15:12All these crisis explode,
and we look for opportunities. -
15:12 - 15:15There are people, forces,
even political ones, -
15:15 - 15:17trying to divide us;
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15:17 - 15:23and we in turn look for new networks,
new ties, new fraternities. -
15:25 - 15:27It's a good thing to remember, these days,
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15:27 - 15:33that this Earth is home
of each and everyone of us. -
15:35 - 15:39And we must learn to live here together,
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15:39 - 15:42We must learn cohabitation.
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15:43 - 15:47If tonight you ask me if this is possible,
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15:49 - 15:51I can tell you my story
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15:51 - 15:57and say we can absolutely make this Earth
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15:57 - 16:02a welcoming house for all of us,
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16:04 - 16:07If we dedicate time
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16:07 - 16:10to listen one person at a time.
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16:12 - 16:14Thanks for your listening.
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16:14 - 16:17(Applause)
- Title:
- Dismantling conflicts by listening | Priel Korenfeld | TEDxUdine
- Description:
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The global challenge of including the other is every day more pressing in our society. It is clearly not enough to live in a hyper-connected world, with freedom of movement and continuous access to information, to ensure social cohesion. The new crises require coordinated responses from all countries and cultures. Our future will depend directly on our ability to consider ourselves as equals, to go beyond stereotypes and prejudices, to see that we are in the same boat. Let's listen to Priel Korenfeld, because that is the message he wants to convey: listening.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community.
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