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Lessons from death row inmates | David R. Dow | TEDxAustin

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    Two weeks ago,
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    I was sitting at the kitchen table
    with my wife Katya,
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    and we were talking about
    what I was going to talk about today.
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    We have an 11-year-old son;
    his name is Lincoln.
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    He was sitting at the same table,
    doing his math homework.
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    And during a pause
    in my conversation with Katya,
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    I looked over at Lincoln
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    and I was suddenly thunderstruck
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    by a recollection of a client of mine.
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    My client was a guy named Will.
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    He was from North Texas.
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    He never knew his father very well,
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    because his father left his mom
    while she was pregnant with him.
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    And so, he was destined
    to be raised by a single mom,
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    which might have been all right
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    except that this particular single mom
    was a paranoid schizophrenic,
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    and when Will was five years old,
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    she tried to kill him
    with a butcher knife.
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    She was taken away by authorities
    and placed in a psychiatric hospital,
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    and so for the next several years
    Will lived with his older brother,
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    until he committed suicide
    by shooting himself through the heart.
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    And after that Will bounced around
    from one family member to another,
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    until, by the time he was nine years old,
    he was essentially living on his own.
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    That morning that I was sitting
    with Katya and Lincoln,
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    I looked at my son, and I realized
    that when my client, Will, was his age,
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    he'd been living by himself for two years.
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    Will eventually joined a gang
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    and committed a number
    of very serious crimes,
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    including, most seriously of all,
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    a horrible, tragic murder.
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    And Will was ultimately executed
    as punishment for that crime.
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    But I don't want to talk today
    about the morality of capital punishment.
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    I certainly think that my client
    shouldn't have been executed,
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    but what I would like to do today instead
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    is talk about the death penalty
    in a way I've never done before,
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    I would like to talk
    about the death penalty
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    in a way that is
    entirely noncontroversial.
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    I think that's possible,
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    because there is a corner
    of the death penalty debate --
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    maybe the most important corner --
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    where everybody agrees,
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    where the most ardent
    death penalty supporters
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    and the most vociferous abolitionists
    are on exactly the same page.
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    That's the corner I want to explore.
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    Before I do that, though,
    I want to spend a couple of minutes
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    telling you how
    a death penalty case unfolds,
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    and then I want to tell you two lessons
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    that I have learned over the last 20 years
    as a death penalty lawyer
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    from watching well more
    than a hundred cases unfold in this way.
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    You can think of a death penalty case
    as a story that has four chapters.
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    The first chapter of every case
    is exactly the same, and it is tragic.
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    It begins with the murder
    of an innocent human being,
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    and it's followed by a trial
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    where the murderer
    is convicted and sent to death row,
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    and that death sentence is ultimately
    upheld by the state appellate court.
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    The second chapter consists
    of a complicated legal proceeding
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    known as a state habeas corpus appeal.
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    The third chapter is an even
    more complicated legal proceeding
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    known as a federal
    habeas corpus proceeding.
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    And the fourth chapter is one
    where a variety of things can happen.
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    The lawyers might file
    a clemency petition,
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    they might initiate
    even more complex litigation,
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    or they might not do anything at all.
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    But that fourth chapter
    always ends with an execution.
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    When I started representing
    death row inmates more than 20 years ago,
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    people on death row
    did not have a right to a lawyer
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    in either the second
    or the fourth chapter of this story.
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    They were on their own.
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    In fact, it wasn't until the late 1980s
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    that they acquired a right to a lawyer
    during the third chapter of the story.
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    So what all of these death row inmates
    had to do was rely on volunteer lawyers
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    to handle their legal proceedings.
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    The problem is that there were
    way more guys on death row
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    than there were lawyers
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    who had both the interest
    and the expertise to work on these cases.
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    And so inevitably,
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    lawyers drifted to cases
    that were already in chapter four --
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    that makes sense, of course.
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    Those are the cases that are most urgent;
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    those are the guys
    who are closest to being executed.
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    Some of these lawyers were successful;
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    they managed to get
    new trials for their clients.
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    Others of them managed
    to extend the lives of their clients,
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    sometimes by years, sometimes by months.
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    But the one thing that didn't happen
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    was that there was never
    a serious and sustained decline
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    in the number of annual
    executions in Texas.
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    In fact, as you can see from this graph,
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    from the time that the Texas
    execution apparatus got efficient
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    in the mid- to late 1990s,
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    there have only been a couple of years
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    where the number of annual
    executions dipped below 20.
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    In a typical year in Texas,
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    we're averaging about two people a month.
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    In some years in Texas,
    we've executed close to 40 people,
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    on an annual basis,
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    and this number has never significantly
    declined over the last 15 years.
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    And yet, at the same time
    that we continue to execute
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    about the same number
    of people every year,
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    the number of people who we're
    sentencing to death on an annual basis
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    has dropped rather steeply.
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    So we have this paradox,
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    which is that the number
    of annual executions has remained high
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    but the number of new
    death sentences has gone down.
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    Why is that?
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    It can't be attributed
    to a decline in the murder rate,
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    because the murder
    rate has not declined nearly so steeply
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    as the red line
    on that graph has gone down.
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    What has happened instead
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    is that juries have started to sentence
    more and more people to prison
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    for the rest of their lives
    without the possibility of parole,
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    rather than sending them
    to the execution chamber.
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    Why has that happened?
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    It hasn't happened
    because of a dissolution
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    of popular support for the death penalty.
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    Death penalty opponents
    take great solace in the fact
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    that death penalty support in Texas
    is at an all-time low.
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    Do you know what all-time low
    in Texas means?
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    It means that it's in the low 60 percent.
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    Now, that's really good
    compared to the mid-1980s,
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    when it was in excess of 80 percent,
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    but we can't explain
    the decline in death sentences
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    and the affinity for life
    without the possibility of parole
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    by an erosion of support
    for the death penalty,
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    because people still support
    the death penalty.
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    What's happened to cause this phenomenon?
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    What's happened is that lawyers
    who represent death row inmates
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    have shifted their focus
    to earlier and earlier chapters
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    of the death penalty story.
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    So 25 years ago,
    they focused on chapter four.
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    And they went from
    chapter four 25 years ago
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    to chapter three in the late 1980s.
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    And they went from chapter three
    in the late 1980s
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    to chapter two in the mid-1990s.
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    And beginning in the mid- to late 1990s,
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    they began to focus
    on chapter one of the story.
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    Now, you might think
    that this decline in death sentences
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    and the increase
    in the number of life sentences
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    is a good thing or a bad thing.
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    I don't want to have a conversation
    about that today.
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    All that I want to tell you
    is that the reason that this has happened
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    is because death penalty lawyers
    have understood
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    that the earlier you intervene in a case,
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    the greater the likelihood that
    you're going to save your client's life.
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    That's the first thing I've learned.
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    Here's the second thing I learned:
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    My client Will was
    not the exception to the rule;
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    he was the rule.
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    I sometimes say, if you tell me
    the name of a death row inmate --
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    doesn't matter what state he's in,
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    doesn't matter
    if I've ever met him before --
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    I'll write his biography for you.
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    And eight out of 10 times,
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    the details of that biography
    will be more or less accurate.
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    And the reason for that is that 80 percent
    of the people on death row
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    are people who came from the same sort
    of dysfunctional family that Will did.
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    Eighty percent of the people on death row
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    are people who had exposure
    to the juvenile justice system.
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    That's the second lesson
    that I've learned.
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    Now we're right on the cusp of that corner
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    where everybody's going to agree.
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    People in this room might disagree
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    about whether Will
    should have been executed,
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    but I think everybody would agree
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    that the best possible
    version of his story
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    would be a story
    where no murder ever occurs.
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    How do we do that?
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    When our son Lincoln was working
    on that math problem two weeks ago,
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    it was a big, gnarly problem.
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    And he was learning how,
    when you have a big old gnarly problem,
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    sometimes the solution
    is to slice it into smaller problems.
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    That's what we do for most problems --
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    in math, in physics,
    even in social policy --
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    we slice them into smaller,
    more manageable problems.
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    But every once in a while,
    as Dwight Eisenhower said,
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    the way you solve a problem
    is to make it bigger.
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    The way we solve this problem
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    is to make the issue
    of the death penalty bigger.
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    We have to say, all right.
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    We have these four chapters
    of a death penalty story,
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    but what happens before that story begins?
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    How can we intervene
    in the life of a murderer
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    before he's a murderer?
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    What options do we have
    to nudge that person off of the path
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    that is going to lead
    to a result that everybody --
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    death penalty supporters
    and death penalty opponents --
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    still think is a bad result:
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    the murder of an innocent human being?
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    You know, sometimes people say
    that something isn't rocket science.
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    And by that, what they mean
    is rocket science is really complicated
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    and this problem that we're
    talking about now is really simple.
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    Well that's rocket science;
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    that's the mathematical expression
    for the thrust created by a rocket.
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    What we're talking about today
    is just as complicated.
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    What we're talking about today
    is also rocket science.
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    My client Will and 80 percent
    of the people on death row
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    had five chapters in their lives
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    that came before the four chapters
    of the death penalty story.
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    I think of these five chapters
    as points of intervention,
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    places in their lives
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    when our society
    could've intervened in their lives
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    and nudged them off of the path
    that they were on
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    that created a consequence that we all --
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    death penalty supporters
    or death penalty opponents --
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    say was a bad result.
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    Now, during each of these five chapters:
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    when his mother was pregnant with him;
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    in his early childhood years;
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    when he was in elementary school;
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    when he was in middle school
    and then high school;
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    and when he was
    in the juvenile justice system --
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    during each of those five chapters,
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    there were a wide variety of things
    that society could have done.
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    In fact, if we just imagine
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    that there are five
    different modes of intervention,
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    the way that society could intervene
    in each of those five chapters,
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    and we could mix and match them
    any way we want,
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    there are 3,000 -- more than 3,000 --
    possible strategies
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    that we could embrace
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    in order to nudge kids like Will
    off of the path that they're on.
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    So I'm not standing here today
    with the solution.
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    But the fact that we
    still have a lot to learn,
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    that doesn't mean
    that we don't know a lot already.
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    We know from experience in other states
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    that there are a wide variety
    of modes of intervention
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    that we could be using in Texas,
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    and in every other state
    that isn't using them,
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    in order to prevent a consequence
    that we all agree is bad.
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    I'll just mention a few.
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    I won't talk today
    about reforming the legal system.
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    That's probably a topic
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    that is best reserved
    for a room full of lawyers and judges.
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    Instead, let me talk
    about a couple of modes of intervention
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    that we can all help accomplish,
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    because they are modes of intervention
    that will come about
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    when legislators and policymakers,
    when taxpayers and citizens,
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    agree that that's
    what we ought to be doing
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    and that's how we ought
    to be spending our money.
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    We could be providing early childhood care
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    for economically disadvantaged
    and otherwise troubled kids,
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    and we could be doing it for free.
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    And we could be nudging kids like Will
    off of the path that we're on.
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    There are other states
    that do that, but we don't.
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    We could be providing special schools,
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    at both the high school level
    and the middle school level,
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    but even in K-5,
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    that target economically
    and otherwise disadvantaged kids,
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    and particularly kids who have had
    exposure to the juvenile justice system.
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    There are a handful
    of states that do that;
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    Texas doesn't.
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    There's one other thing we can be doing --
    well, there are a bunch of other things --
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    there's one other thing
    that I'm going to mention,
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    and this is going to be the only
    controversial thing that I say today.
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    We could be intervening
    much more aggressively
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    into dangerously dysfunctional homes,
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    and getting kids out of them
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    before their moms pick up butcher knives
    and threaten to kill them.
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    If we're going to do that,
    we need a place to put them.
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    Even if we do all of those things,
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    some kids are going
    to fall through the cracks
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    and they're going to end up
    in that last chapter
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    before the murder story begins,
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    they're going to end up
    in the juvenile justice system.
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    And even if that happens,
    it's not yet too late.
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    There's still time to nudge them,
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    if we think about nudging them
    rather than just punishing them.
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    There are two professors
    in the Northeast --
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    one at Yale and one at Maryland --
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    they set up a school
    that is attached to a juvenile prison.
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    And the kids are in prison,
    but they go to school
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    from eight in the morning
    until four in the afternoon.
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    Now, it was logistically difficult.
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    They had to recruit teachers
    who wanted to teach inside a prison,
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    they had to establish strict separation
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    between the people who work at the school
    and the prison authorities,
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    and most dauntingly of all,
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    they needed to invent a new curriculum
    because you know what?
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    People don't come into and out of prison
    on a semester basis.
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    (Laughter)
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    But they did all those things.
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    Now, what do all of these things
    have in common?
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    What all of these things have in common
    is that they cost money.
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    Some of the people in the room
    might be old enough
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    to remember the guy
    on the old oil filter commercial.
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    He used to say, "Well, you can pay me now
    or you can pay me later."
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    What we're doing
    in the death penalty system
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    is we're paying later.
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    But the thing is
    that for every 15,000 dollars
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    that we spend intervening
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    in the lives of economically
    and otherwise disadvantaged kids
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    in those earlier chapters,
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    we save 80,000 dollars
    in crime-related costs down the road.
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    Even if you don't agree that
    there's a moral imperative that we do it,
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    it just makes economic sense.
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    I want to tell you about the last
    conversation that I had with Will.
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    It was the day that
    he was going to be executed,
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    and we were just talking.
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    There was nothing left to do in his case.
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    And we were talking about his life.
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    And he was talking first about his dad,
    who he hardly knew, who had died,
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    and then about his mom,
    who he did know, who was still alive.
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    And I said to him,
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    "I know the story.
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    I've read the records.
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    I know that she tried to kill you."
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    I said, "But I've always wondered
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    whether you really
    actually remember that."
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    I said, "I don't remember anything
    from when I was five years old.
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    Maybe you just remember
    somebody telling you."
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    And he looked at me and he leaned forward,
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    and he said, "Professor," --
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    he'd known me for 12 years,
    he still called me Professor.
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    He said, "Professor,
    I don't mean any disrespect by this,
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    but when your mama
    picks up a butcher knife
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    that looks bigger than you are,
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    and chases you through the house
    screaming she's going to kill you,
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    and you have to lock yourself
    in the bathroom
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    and lean against the door
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    and holler for help
    until the police get there,"
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    he looked at me and he said,
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    "that's something you don't forget."
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    I hope there's one thing
    you all won't forget:
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    In between the time
    you arrived here this morning
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    and the time we break for lunch,
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    there are going to be
    four homicides in the United States.
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    We're going to devote
    enormous social resources
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    to punishing the people
    who commit those crimes,
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    and that's appropriate
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    because we should punish
    people who do bad things.
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    But three of those crimes are preventable.
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    If we make the picture bigger
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    and devote our attention
    to the earlier chapters,
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    then we're never going
    to write the first sentence
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    that begins the death penalty story.
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    Thank you.
  • 18:50 - 18:52
    (Applause)
Title:
Lessons from death row inmates | David R. Dow | TEDxAustin
Description:

What happens before a murder? In looking for ways to reduce death penalty cases, David R. Dow realized that a surprising number of death row inmates had similar biographies. In this talk he proposes a bold plan, one that prevents murders in the first place.

This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx

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Video Language:
English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDxTalks
Duration:
18:52

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