Art, science and the frontiers of the unknown | Mariano Sardon | TEDxRiodelPlata
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0:11 - 0:14I was born in a city next to the sea.
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0:16 - 0:20Its immensity and sound
were main characters of my childhood. -
0:21 - 0:26In front of the sea
I would have a sense of mystery -
0:26 - 0:29and no words to define it.
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0:31 - 0:33There was also a port in that city.
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0:34 - 0:39And there could be people from all over
speaking strange languages, -
0:39 - 0:42which obviously made me wonder
where they came from. -
0:43 - 0:47But also what was on that horizon.
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0:47 - 0:50What was after that line
that separates the sky from the sea? -
0:51 - 0:53Obviously that line gave me no answer.
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0:53 - 0:58So in my house I would draw
imaginary maps of all places. -
0:58 - 1:01I would think up hypotheses,
possible trajectories, -
1:01 - 1:06sometimes guided by some flag
from some ship. -
1:07 - 1:08I drew alphabets,
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1:08 - 1:14I tried to pronounce very difficult
yet very pleasant words. -
1:14 - 1:17I made a whole imaginary
in intricate shapes, -
1:17 - 1:22irregular strokes, colors,
strange symbols, -
1:22 - 1:25to build what I didn't know.
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1:26 - 1:32Many years later I came across
a story about Africa. -
1:33 - 1:37They told me that the Zambian Ndembu
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1:38 - 1:40leave marks on the trees
when they go hunting. -
1:41 - 1:46This is called chijikijilu
which literally means lighthouse. -
1:47 - 1:49But it also means "leading the way".
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1:50 - 1:53From the center of the village
there is a circle -
1:53 - 1:57that delimits what they know
and it's ordered, -
1:57 - 1:59from what's far beyond,
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1:59 - 2:01which is chaotic and unordered;
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2:01 - 2:02the unknown.
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2:03 - 2:07For the Ndembu that limit is the present.
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2:08 - 2:12So when they plunge into the jungle,
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2:12 - 2:15they always walk the paths
within the known places. -
2:16 - 2:18It's a way of going through the past.
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2:19 - 2:23On that edge, in that present,
is where they set the lighthouse -
2:23 - 2:25that illuminates
what they still don't know; -
2:26 - 2:28A way to get a glimpse of the future.
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2:29 - 2:31When I heard this story,
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2:31 - 2:34it immediately brought me
back to my childhood -
2:34 - 2:36and to all that imaginary
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2:36 - 2:40full of ignorance facing the sea,
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2:40 - 2:43where causally there was a lighthouse, too.
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2:43 - 2:47But it also made me think
in many of my projects -
2:47 - 2:49where art and science converge.
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2:50 - 2:51Because art and science
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2:51 - 2:55also explore the limits of the unknown.
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2:56 - 2:58That's where we may find words
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2:58 - 3:01and also questions arise
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3:01 - 3:04that others may have also made.
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3:05 - 3:07That's why many of my projects
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3:07 - 3:11I do them in company of scientists
like Mariano Sigman, -
3:11 - 3:14a neuroscientist I've been working with
for more than 10 years. -
3:15 - 3:17Many of our recurring subjects
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3:17 - 3:20have to do with portraits, faces.
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3:20 - 3:26We all express ourselves through
words, our body language, -
3:27 - 3:28but facial gestures
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3:28 - 3:31play a central role in our expression
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3:31 - 3:33and the way we relate with others.
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3:35 - 3:39Art knows a long history
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3:39 - 3:43of portraiture, of gestures,
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3:43 - 3:48even with the different sides
within the same universe, -
3:48 - 3:51like sculpture, painting, photography
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3:51 - 3:54and, closer in time, video.
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3:55 - 4:01In many cases, after the many topics
we have addressed, -
4:02 - 4:05we realized that in neuroscience as well
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4:05 - 4:09it's a matter of research
since many years -
4:09 - 4:12expression recognition
and facial evaluation. -
4:13 - 4:17How a gesture can give us clues
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4:17 - 4:20of the emotional and mental state
of a person? -
4:21 - 4:24There is even evidence
that in a very short time -
4:24 - 4:27--around 250 milliseconds--
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4:27 - 4:30a gesture is capable of producing
enough information -
4:30 - 4:34to detect its emotion very clearly
and concretely. -
4:36 - 4:38We took some of the gestures
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4:38 - 4:41considered as basic and universal:
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4:41 - 4:47joy, sadness, anger, fear, surprise.
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4:48 - 4:54A gesture could be constituted
of multiple microgestures -
4:54 - 4:57of very short duration,
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4:57 - 4:59capable of communicating
emotional states. -
4:59 - 5:01So we decided to go find them,
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5:01 - 5:04shoot them with ultra slow motion,
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5:04 - 5:09we elaborated a series of video portraits
of those gestures, -
5:09 - 5:16that are the history of that gesture
slowed to almost zero. -
5:17 - 5:20What I am going to show you
now in a minute -
5:20 - 5:25is what in a gesture lasts no longer
than a fraction of a second. -
6:08 - 6:11In art when we work and create images,
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6:11 - 6:13--those of us who do that--
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6:13 - 6:16the look in the eyes is fundamental.
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6:16 - 6:18It's almost all the substance
it's made of. -
6:19 - 6:21But how do we look?
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6:21 - 6:24What do we see
when we are in front of an image? -
6:24 - 6:26Look at this picture for a moment.
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6:29 - 6:33Can you guess which part of this image
captures your eyes? -
6:35 - 6:38Suppose we have access
to something very intimate, -
6:38 - 6:40like the eyes of a person.
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6:40 - 6:43It's as if we could see through them.
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6:43 - 6:48We can do this with a device
called eye positioner, -
6:48 - 6:50which is used in laboratories
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6:50 - 6:53to record and study the movement
of the eyes in front of an image. -
6:54 - 6:58We can understand where in the image
the eyes stop for a moment -
6:58 - 7:01to get information,
how they go through it. -
7:02 - 7:05And something very important
and interesting: -
7:05 - 7:08What we don't see from an image
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7:08 - 7:10although we believe
we've seen it entirely. -
7:12 - 7:16So if we saw through someone's eyes,
we would see this. -
7:22 - 7:24This is a very, very slow video,
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7:24 - 7:26of what in fact happens very quickly,
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7:26 - 7:29which is how a person sees the image
I just showed you. -
7:30 - 7:34If we had 40 people
looking at this image, for example, -
7:34 - 7:36we would see this other thing.
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7:40 - 7:41Something we realized right away
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7:41 - 7:44is that we spy on the world
through the eyes -
7:44 - 7:46as if it were through a lock.
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7:46 - 7:48The rest is built by the brain.
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7:49 - 7:52Other very important things are
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7:52 - 7:54that the image is built in time.
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7:54 - 7:56It's something that
we really have no conscience of. -
7:59 - 8:04And that the eyes move
in a very particular, very personal way. -
8:04 - 8:08It's like the mark that identifies us,
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8:08 - 8:09our signature,
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8:11 - 8:13our way of speaking, of making gestures.
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8:15 - 8:18What I'm going to show you now
is the reconstruction of that image -
8:18 - 8:23from the gestures of 450 people
looking at it simultaneously. -
8:31 - 8:35What emerges is
the collective construction of that image -
8:39 - 8:42It's almost like revealing the image
through the eyes. -
8:46 - 8:50With these methods and this technology
we create videos, -
8:50 - 8:56billboard photographs that we exhibit
in museums, art galleries. -
8:56 - 9:00In any case, what we have here are
science experiments turned into art. -
9:01 - 9:04Our practice travels across
many different disciplines. -
9:04 - 9:08It's like embarking on a journey
through different territories, -
9:08 - 9:12with their own languages,
with their own stories, -
9:12 - 9:14worldviews and prejudices.
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9:16 - 9:20I imagine that creativity in the future
will have to do -
9:20 - 9:24with this kind of transdisciplinary
and cross-cultural processes. -
9:24 - 9:27And unlike what happened in another time,
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9:27 - 9:29where art and science incarnated
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9:29 - 9:33in the single figure of someone's genius,
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9:33 - 9:38today we say that these practices
more established and developed, -
9:39 - 9:44between different groups
who share what they don't know, -
9:46 - 9:49like the Ndembu of Zambia,
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9:49 - 9:52--we go through the past
through what we know--. -
9:53 - 9:57We can only reach to the limit
of what we perceive -
9:57 - 9:59and what we know in the present.
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10:00 - 10:04There, probably others
who are also seeking will appear, -
10:05 - 10:09and for whom we possibly are
part of their chaos. -
10:11 - 10:12But knowing also
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10:13 - 10:15that with those others,
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10:15 - 10:16lies our future.
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10:17 - 10:18Thank you.
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10:18 - 10:21(Applause)
- Title:
- Art, science and the frontiers of the unknown | Mariano Sardon | TEDxRiodelPlata
- Description:
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This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx
Where do art, science and technology converge? The quest in the eyes of an artist can lead to a neuroscientific investigation that reveals our way of perceiving the world. In his works, Mariano Sardón takes advantage of the scientific tools and questions to travel to uncharted lands. Mariano Sardón was born in Bahía Blanca in 1968, studied physics at the University of Buenos Aires (UBA) and currently directs the postgraduate degree in Electronic Arts at the National University of Tres de Febrero (Untref). From there, he promotes an international residence that unites both disciplines together with Ars Electronica, the largest festival on the planet dedicated to this theme.
- Video Language:
- Spanish
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- closed TED
- Project:
- TEDxTalks
- Duration:
- 10:39