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  1. Diego Golombek:
    (Spanish) Sugata, it's an honor

  2. to have you here at TEDxRíodelaPlata.
  3. I think that many of us surely know you
    from your former experiments.
  4. Remember "A hole in the wall," right?
  5. That one about a computer
    suddenly appearaing in a village.
  6. But now I want to ask you about
    what's going on at the moment with SOLE,
  7. about what happened with the TED Prize:
    How is the implementation going?
  8. How is it making progress?
    What is your assessment of it?
  9. Sugata Mitra: I think he wants to know
    what happened after that film.
  10. So, let me tell you what happened.
  11. We built seven Schools in the Cloud.
  12. Five in India and two in England.
  13. What is the School in the Cloud?
  14. Well, let me give you a small example.
  15. You know, people used to travel
    from one place to another
  16. in a horse-drawn carriage
    for thousands of years,
  17. until the automobile was invented.
  18. When the automobile was invented
    the horse and carriage went away
  19. and the coachman, the man
    who used to drive the horse and carriage,
  20. he also went away
  21. and the passengers became the drivers.
  22. In the School in the Cloud
    what we are trying to find out is:
  23. Is it possible in our education systems --
  24. has the time come
    to make the passengers drive?
  25. So, we launched these seven schools.
  26. The most distant one had nothing:
  27. no electricity, no health care,
    no schools.
  28. The best ones, in England, had everything.
  29. And then, we let the learners
    drive the car.
  30. What happened?
  31. You might think that I am going to say
    something romantic, but I am not.
  32. I got bitten by one million mosquitoes.
  33. (Laughter)
  34. (Applause)
  35. And then, the children began to change.
  36. In England,
    the students wrote me an e-mail
  37. saying "Why are they teaching?"
  38. In Korakati, the most distant
    of our Schools in the Cloud,
  39. the children said,
  40. "Why does the skyped in Granny
    speak such simple English?
  41. Doesn't she know that we understand her?"
  42. (Laughter)
  43. In another Bengal village, Chandrakona,
  44. I noticed a distinct Birmingham accent.
  45. (Laughter)
  46. It was faster than anything
    that I had expected.
  47. I don't know if you are going
    to believe this:
  48. in Korakati, the village where
    the children know no English at all,
  49. on day number three,
  50. one of the English teachers
    who skyped in said,
  51. "You know, those children are very sweet,
    they said 'When are you coming back?'"
  52. I said, "In what language
    did they ask you?"
  53. And she said: "In English."
    Three days.
  54. (Applause)
  55. Thank you.
  56. So, I asked the children,
  57. "How did you learn to speak
    in English so quickly?"
  58. And they looked at me and said,
  59. "You know that woman
    who comes on the screen?
  60. She doesn't understand
    anything other than English."
  61. (Applause)
  62. Now, for the bad news.
  63. The seven laboratories
    have seven different kinds of problems.
  64. The biggest problem is not pedagogy,
    it is not teaching and learning,
  65. it is technology.
  66. So, I struggle to keep those
    remote locations running
  67. but I know that I will find the way,
    I still have one more year to go,
  68. I know I will find the way
    to keep them running
  69. and I know for sure,
  70. and I tell you this for the first time
    in the world on a TED stage,
  71. the passengers are driving the car.
  72. (Applause)
  73. Thank you.
  74. So, one last little bit
    that I need to tell you:
  75. I used to get called to conferences,
  76. I still do,
  77. but for the last one year
    I have been called
  78. by the Education Department
    of governments of different countries.
  79. They are listening.
  80. And I have only one suggestion to them;
  81. something that I want
    some government to try,
  82. perhaps the government here, in Argentina.
  83. It is very simple:
  84. I want someone to allow the use
    of the Internet during examinations.
  85. (Applause)
  86. Thanks.
  87. I know there are students here,
    and I know that the examination
  88. is the only day in their life when
    they don't have access to the Internet.
  89. So I hope I will be able to change that.
  90. And, if the Internet enters
    the examination,
  91. the entire system will have changed.
  92. It would then be an idea
    that was worth spreading.
  93. DG: (Spanish) Sugata, a question that
    you are surely being asked all the time.
  94. With this about self organized learning,
  95. What happens with the teachers,
    what's left for the teachers?
  96. SM: You know, there is a misconception
    that teachers will not have a role.
  97. That's not true, that's not true at all.
  98. In a SOLE, children find
    the answers to questions.
  99. But who makes the question?
    Who listens to their answers?
  100. Who says, most importantly,
    "That was well done"?
  101. That is what the teacher has to do.
  102. (Applause)
  103. DG: (Spanish)
    Regarding what Sugata mentioned
  104. about this being implemented here,
  105. there's a plan for at least
    one school in Barracas
  106. that will begin soon
    with this SOLE system
  107. of self organized learning
    in the School in the Cloud.
  108. And a last question, Sugata.
  109. He arrived yesterday, he's being taken
    from one place to another.
  110. So it's an honor that he would spend
    some little time with us here.
  111. The last question is:
  112. One of your main concerns
    is the school of the future.
  113. Let's think a middle-term future,
    in 50 years:
  114. How do you imagine...
    how do you wish school to be?
  115. SM: You know... It's hard for me to say
    what the school will look like.
  116. But something much deeper will happen
    and it won't take 50 years to happen.
  117. Our definition of the word 'to know'.
  118. What does it mean when you say
    "I know something"?
  119. It could be something that you learned
    in school when you were seven years old
  120. or it could be something
    that Google told you one minute ago.
  121. Knowing doesn't mean anything.
  122. Should we feel sorry?
    No, I don't think so.
  123. Ideas, like objects, become obsolete.
  124. When I started, I thought...
  125. I was saying "schools will be obsolete".
  126. I am now forced to say
    that knowing will be obsolete.
  127. What we will take is this:
  128. the collective consciousness
    of seven billion people.
  129. (Applause)