The oil spill's unseen culprits, victims
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0:01 - 0:04This is the ocean as I used to know it.
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0:04 - 0:06And I find that
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0:06 - 0:08since I've been in the Gulf a couple of times,
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0:08 - 0:10I really kind of am traumatized
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0:10 - 0:13because whenever I look at the ocean now,
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0:13 - 0:15no matter where I am,
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0:15 - 0:17even where I know
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0:17 - 0:19none of the oil has gone,
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0:19 - 0:21I sort of see slicks,
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0:21 - 0:23and I'm finding that I'm very much
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0:23 - 0:25haunted by it.
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0:26 - 0:28But what I want to talk to you about today
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0:28 - 0:30is a lot of things that try
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0:30 - 0:32to put all of this in context,
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0:32 - 0:35not just about the oil eruption,
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0:35 - 0:38but what it means and why it has happened.
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0:38 - 0:40First, just a little bit about me.
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0:40 - 0:42I'm basically just a guy that likes to go fishing
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0:42 - 0:44ever since I was a little kid,
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0:44 - 0:46and because I did,
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0:46 - 0:48I wound up studying sea birds
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0:48 - 0:51to try to stay in the coastal habitats that I so loved.
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0:51 - 0:53And now I mainly write books
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0:53 - 0:55about how the ocean is changing,
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0:55 - 0:58and the ocean is certainly changing very rapidly.
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0:58 - 1:01Now we saw this kind of graphic earlier on,
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1:01 - 1:04that we really live on a hard marble
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1:04 - 1:06that has just a slight
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1:06 - 1:08bit of wetness to it.
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1:08 - 1:10It's like you dipped a marble in water.
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1:10 - 1:12And the same thing with the atmosphere:
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1:12 - 1:14If you took all the atmosphere
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1:14 - 1:16and rolled it up in a ball,
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1:16 - 1:18you would get that little sphere of gas on the right.
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1:18 - 1:20So we live on
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1:20 - 1:23the most fragile, little soap bubble you can imagine,
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1:23 - 1:25a very sacred soap bubble,
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1:25 - 1:28but one that is very, very easy to affect.
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1:28 - 1:31And all the burning of oil and coal and gas,
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1:31 - 1:33all the fossil fuels,
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1:33 - 1:35have changed the atmosphere greatly.
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1:35 - 1:38Carbon dioxide level has gone up and up and up.
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1:38 - 1:41We're warming the climate.
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1:41 - 1:43So the blowout in the Gulf
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1:43 - 1:45is just a little piece
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1:45 - 1:48of a much larger problem that we have
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1:48 - 1:51with the energy that we use to run civilization.
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1:51 - 1:53Beyond warming,
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1:53 - 1:56we have the problem of the oceans getting more acidified --
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1:56 - 1:58and already measurably so,
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1:58 - 2:01and already affecting animals.
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2:01 - 2:03Now in the laboratory,
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2:03 - 2:05if you take a clam and you put it in the pH
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2:05 - 2:07that is -- not 8.1,
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2:07 - 2:09which is the normal pH of seawater --
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2:09 - 2:11but 7.5,
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2:11 - 2:14it dissolves in about three days.
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2:14 - 2:16If you take a sea urchin larva
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2:16 - 2:18from 8.1,
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2:18 - 2:20put it in a pH of 7.7 --
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2:20 - 2:22not a huge change --
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2:22 - 2:25it becomes deformed and dies.
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2:25 - 2:28And already, commercial oyster larvae
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2:28 - 2:30are dying at large scales
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2:30 - 2:32in some places.
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2:32 - 2:34Coral reefs are growing slower
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2:34 - 2:36in some places because of this problem.
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2:36 - 2:38So this really matters.
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2:38 - 2:40Now, let's take a little tour
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2:40 - 2:42around the Gulf a little bit.
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2:42 - 2:45One of the things that really impresses me about the people in the Gulf:
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2:45 - 2:48They are really, really aquatic people.
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2:48 - 2:50And they can handle water.
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2:50 - 2:52They can handle a hurricane that comes and goes.
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2:52 - 2:55When the water goes down, they know what to do.
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2:55 - 2:57But when it's something other than water,
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2:57 - 2:59and their water habitat changes,
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2:59 - 3:01they don't have many options.
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3:01 - 3:03In fact, those entire communities
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3:03 - 3:05really don't have many options.
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3:05 - 3:08They don't have another thing they can do.
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3:08 - 3:10They can't go and work
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3:10 - 3:12in the local hotel business
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3:12 - 3:15because there isn't one in their community.
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3:16 - 3:18If you go to the Gulf and you look around,
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3:18 - 3:20you do see a lot of oil.
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3:20 - 3:22You see a lot of oil on the ocean.
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3:22 - 3:25You see a lot of oil on the shoreline.
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3:25 - 3:27If you go to the site of the blowout,
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3:27 - 3:29it looks pretty unbelievable.
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3:29 - 3:32It looks like you just emptied the oil pan in your car,
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3:32 - 3:34and you just dumped it in the ocean.
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3:34 - 3:37And one of the really most incredible things, I think,
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3:37 - 3:39is that there's nobody out there
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3:39 - 3:41trying to collect it
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3:41 - 3:44at the site where it is densest.
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3:44 - 3:46Parts of the ocean there
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3:46 - 3:49look just absolutely apocalyptic.
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3:50 - 3:52You go in along the shore,
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3:52 - 3:54you can find it everywhere.
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3:54 - 3:56It's really messy.
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3:56 - 3:58If you go to the places where it's just arriving,
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3:58 - 4:01like the eastern part of the Gulf, in Alabama,
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4:01 - 4:03there's still people using the beach
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4:03 - 4:05while there are people cleaning up the beach.
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4:05 - 4:08And they have a very strange way of cleaning up the beach.
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4:08 - 4:10They're not allowed to put more than 10 pounds of sand
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4:10 - 4:12in a 50-gallon plastic bag.
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4:12 - 4:14They have thousands and thousands of plastic bags.
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4:14 - 4:16I don't know what they're going to do with all that stuff.
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4:16 - 4:18Meanwhile, there are still people trying to use the beach.
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4:18 - 4:20They don't see the little, tiny sign
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4:20 - 4:22that says: "Stay out of the water."
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4:22 - 4:24Their kids are in the water; they're getting tar
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4:24 - 4:27all over their clothes and their sandals. It's a mess.
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4:27 - 4:29If you go to the place where the oil has been a while,
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4:29 - 4:31it's an even bigger mess.
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4:31 - 4:34And there's basically nobody there anymore,
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4:34 - 4:36a few people trying
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4:36 - 4:38to keep using it.
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4:38 - 4:40You see people who are really shell-shocked.
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4:40 - 4:42They are very hardworking people.
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4:42 - 4:44All they know about life is they get up in the morning,
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4:44 - 4:47and if their engine starts, they go to work.
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4:47 - 4:50They always felt that they could rely on
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4:50 - 4:52the assurances that nature brought them
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4:52 - 4:54through the ecosystem of the Gulf.
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4:54 - 4:57They're finding that their world is really collapsing.
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4:57 - 5:00And so you can see, literally,
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5:00 - 5:03signs of their shock,
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5:05 - 5:08signs of their outrage,
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5:10 - 5:13signs of their anger,
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5:17 - 5:20and signs of their grief.
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5:20 - 5:23These are the things that you can see.
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5:25 - 5:27There's a lot you can't see, also,
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5:27 - 5:29underwater.
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5:29 - 5:31What's going on underwater?
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5:31 - 5:33Well, some people say
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5:33 - 5:35there are oil plumes.
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5:35 - 5:38Some people say there are not oil plumes.
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5:38 - 5:41And Congressman Markey asks, you know,
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5:41 - 5:44"Is it going to take a submarine ride
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5:44 - 5:47to see if there are really oil plumes?"
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5:47 - 5:49But I couldn't take a submarine ride --
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5:49 - 5:52especially between the time I knew I was coming here and today --
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5:52 - 5:54so I had to do
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5:54 - 5:56a little experiment myself
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5:56 - 5:58to see if there was oil in the Gulf of Mexico.
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5:58 - 6:01So this is the Gulf of Mexico,
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6:01 - 6:04sparkling place full of fish.
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6:04 - 6:06I created a little oil spill
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6:06 - 6:08in the Gulf of Mexico.
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6:08 - 6:10And I learned -- in fact, I confirmed -- the hypothesis
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6:10 - 6:13that oil and water don't mix
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6:13 - 6:16until you add a dispersant,
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6:18 - 6:21and then
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6:21 - 6:23they start mixing.
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6:23 - 6:25And you add a little energy
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6:25 - 6:27from the wind and the waves,
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6:27 - 6:30and you get a big mess,
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6:30 - 6:32a big mess
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6:32 - 6:34that you can't possibly clean,
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6:34 - 6:37you can't touch, you can't extract
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6:37 - 6:40and, I think most importantly -- this is what I think --
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6:40 - 6:42you can't see it.
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6:42 - 6:45I think it's being hidden on purpose.
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6:45 - 6:48Now this is such a catastrophe and such a mess,
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6:48 - 6:51that lots of stuff is leaking out on the edges of the information stream.
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6:51 - 6:53But as many people have said,
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6:53 - 6:56there's a large attempt to suppress what's going on.
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6:56 - 6:58Personally, I think that
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6:58 - 7:00the dispersants are
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7:00 - 7:03a major strategy to hide the body,
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7:03 - 7:05because we put the murderer
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7:05 - 7:07in charge of the crime scene.
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7:07 - 7:09But you can see it.
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7:09 - 7:11You can see where the oil
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7:11 - 7:13is concentrated at the surface,
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7:13 - 7:16and then it is attacked,
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7:16 - 7:19because they don't want the evidence, in my opinion.
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7:19 - 7:21Okay.
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7:21 - 7:23We heard that bacteria eat oil?
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7:23 - 7:25So do sea turtles.
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7:25 - 7:27When it breaks up,
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7:27 - 7:29it has a long way to go
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7:29 - 7:31before it gets down to bacteria.
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7:31 - 7:34Turtles eat it. It gets in the gills of fish.
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7:34 - 7:36These guys have to swim around through it.
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7:36 - 7:39I heard the most incredible story today
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7:39 - 7:42when I was on the train coming here.
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7:42 - 7:44A writer named Ted Williams called me,
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7:44 - 7:46and he was asking me a couple of questions
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7:46 - 7:48about what I saw,
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7:48 - 7:50because he's writing an article for Audubon magazine.
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7:50 - 7:53He said that he had been in the Gulf a little while ago --
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7:53 - 7:55like about a week ago --
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7:55 - 7:58and a guy who had been a recreational fishing guide
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7:58 - 8:01took him out to show him what's going on.
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8:01 - 8:04That guide's entire calendar year
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8:04 - 8:06is canceled bookings.
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8:06 - 8:08He has no bookings left.
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8:08 - 8:11Everybody wanted their deposit back. Everybody is fleeing.
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8:11 - 8:13That's the story of thousands of people.
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8:13 - 8:16But he told Ted
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8:16 - 8:18that on the last day he went out,
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8:18 - 8:20a bottlenose dolphin
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8:20 - 8:23suddenly appeared next to the boat,
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8:23 - 8:25and it was splattering oil
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8:25 - 8:28out its blowhole.
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8:28 - 8:30And he moved away
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8:30 - 8:32because it was
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8:32 - 8:34his last fishing trip,
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8:34 - 8:36and he knew that the dolphins scare fish.
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8:36 - 8:38So he moved away from it,
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8:38 - 8:40turned around a few minutes later,
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8:40 - 8:42it was right next to the side of the boat again.
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8:42 - 8:44He said that in 30 years of fishing
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8:44 - 8:46he had never seen a dolphin do that.
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8:46 - 8:49And he felt that --
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8:49 - 8:51he felt that it was
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8:51 - 8:54coming to ask for help. Sorry.
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8:57 - 9:00Now, in the Exxon Valdez spill,
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9:00 - 9:02about 30 percent of the killer whales
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9:02 - 9:05died in the first few months.
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9:05 - 9:07Their numbers have never recovered.
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9:07 - 9:09So the recovery rate of all this stuff
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9:09 - 9:11is going to be variable.
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9:11 - 9:14It's going to take longer for some things.
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9:14 - 9:16And some things, I think, will probably
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9:16 - 9:18come back a little faster.
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9:18 - 9:21The other thing about the Gulf that is important
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9:21 - 9:23is that there are a lot of animals
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9:23 - 9:25that concentrate in the Gulf
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9:25 - 9:28at certain parts of the year.
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9:28 - 9:30So the Gulf is a really important piece of water --
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9:30 - 9:33more important than a similar volume
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9:33 - 9:36of water in the open Atlantic Ocean.
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9:36 - 9:38These tuna swim the entire ocean.
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9:38 - 9:40They get in the Gulf Stream. They go all the way to Europe.
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9:40 - 9:42When it comes time to spawn, they come inside,
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9:42 - 9:44and these two tuna that were tagged,
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9:44 - 9:47you can see them on the spawning grounds
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9:47 - 9:49very much right in the area of the slick.
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9:49 - 9:52They're probably having, at the very least,
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9:52 - 9:55a catastrophic spawning season this year.
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9:55 - 9:57I'm hoping that maybe the adults
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9:57 - 9:59are avoiding that dirty water.
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9:59 - 10:01They don't usually like to go into water
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10:01 - 10:03that is very cloudy anyway.
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10:03 - 10:05But these are really high-performance
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10:05 - 10:07athletic animals.
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10:07 - 10:10I don't know what this kind of stuff will do in their gills.
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10:10 - 10:12I don't know if it'll affect the adults.
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10:12 - 10:14If it's not, it's certainly affecting
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10:14 - 10:16their eggs and larvae, I would certainly think.
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10:16 - 10:19But if you look at that graph that goes down and down and down,
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10:19 - 10:21that's what we've done to this species
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10:21 - 10:24through overfishing over many decades.
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10:24 - 10:26So while the oil spill,
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10:26 - 10:28the leak, the eruption,
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10:28 - 10:30is a catastrophe,
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10:30 - 10:32I think it's important to keep in mind
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10:32 - 10:34that we've done a lot to affect what's in the ocean
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10:34 - 10:36for a very, very long time.
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10:36 - 10:38It's not like we're starting with something
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10:38 - 10:40that's been okay.
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10:40 - 10:42We're starting with something that's had a lot of stresses
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10:42 - 10:44and a lot of problems to begin with.
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10:44 - 10:46If you look around at the birds,
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10:46 - 10:48there are a lot of birds in the Gulf
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10:48 - 10:51that concentrate in the Gulf at certain times of the year,
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10:51 - 10:53but then leave.
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10:53 - 10:56And they populate much larger areas.
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10:56 - 10:58So for instance,
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10:58 - 11:01most of the birds in this picture are migratory birds.
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11:01 - 11:03They were all on the Gulf in May,
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11:03 - 11:06while oil was starting to come ashore in certain places.
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11:07 - 11:09Down on the lower left there
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11:09 - 11:11are Ruddy Turnstones and Sanderlings.
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11:11 - 11:13They breed in the high arctic,
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11:13 - 11:15and they winter down in southern South America.
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11:15 - 11:17But they concentrate in the Gulf
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11:17 - 11:20and then fan out all across the arctic.
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11:20 - 11:22I saw birds that breed in Greenland
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11:22 - 11:24in the Gulf,
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11:25 - 11:28so this is a hemispheric issue.
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11:28 - 11:30The economic effects
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11:30 - 11:33go at least nationally in many ways.
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11:33 - 11:36The biological effects are certainly hemispheric.
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11:38 - 11:40I think that this is one of the most
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11:40 - 11:43absolutely mind-boggling
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11:43 - 11:45examples of total unpreparedness
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11:45 - 11:47that I can even think of.
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11:47 - 11:50Even when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor,
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11:50 - 11:52at least they shot back.
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11:52 - 11:54And we just seem to be
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11:54 - 11:56unable to figure out what to do.
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11:56 - 11:59There was nothing ready,
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12:00 - 12:02and, you know, as we can see
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12:02 - 12:04by what they're doing.
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12:04 - 12:06Mainly what they're doing is booms and dispersants.
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12:06 - 12:09The booms are absolutely not made for open water.
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12:09 - 12:12They don't even attempt to corral
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12:12 - 12:15the oil where it is most concentrated.
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12:15 - 12:17They get near shore. Look at these two boats.
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12:17 - 12:20That one on the right is called Fishing Fool.
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12:20 - 12:22And I think, you know, that's a great name
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12:22 - 12:25for boats that think that they're going to do anything
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12:25 - 12:28to make a dent in this by dragging a boom between them
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12:28 - 12:30when there are literally hundreds of thousands
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12:30 - 12:32of square miles in the Gulf right now
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12:32 - 12:34with oil at the surface.
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12:34 - 12:37The dispersants make the oil go right under the booms.
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12:37 - 12:39The booms are only about
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12:39 - 12:4113 inches in diameter.
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12:42 - 12:45So it's just absolutely crazy.
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12:45 - 12:47Here are shrimp boats employed.
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12:47 - 12:50There are hundreds of shrimp boats employed to drag booms instead of nets.
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12:50 - 12:52Here they are working.
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12:52 - 12:54You can see easily
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12:54 - 12:57that all the oily water just goes over the back of the boom.
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12:57 - 13:00All they're doing is stirring it.
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13:00 - 13:02It's just ridiculous.
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13:02 - 13:05Also, for all the shoreline that has booms --
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13:05 - 13:07hundreds and hundreds of miles of shoreline --
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13:07 - 13:09all of the shoreline that has booms,
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13:09 - 13:12there's adjacent shoreline that doesn't have any booms.
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13:12 - 13:14There is ample opportunity
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13:14 - 13:17for oil and dirty water to get in behind them.
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13:17 - 13:20And that lower photo, that's a bird colony that has been boomed.
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13:20 - 13:23Everybody's trying to protect
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13:23 - 13:25the bird colonies there.
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13:25 - 13:28Well, as an ornithologist,
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13:28 - 13:31I can tell you that birds fly, and that --
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13:31 - 13:33(Laughter)
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13:35 - 13:38and that booming a bird colony
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13:38 - 13:41doesn't do it; it doesn't do it.
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13:41 - 13:44These birds make a living by diving into the water.
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13:45 - 13:48In fact,
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13:48 - 13:51really what I think they should do, if anything --
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13:51 - 13:54they're trying so hard to protect those nests --
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13:54 - 13:57actually, if they destroyed every single nest
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13:57 - 13:59some of the birds would leave,
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13:59 - 14:02and that would be better for them this year.
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14:02 - 14:05As far as cleaning them,
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14:05 - 14:08I don't mean to cast any aspersion
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14:08 - 14:10on people cleaning birds.
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14:10 - 14:12It's really, really important
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14:12 - 14:14that we express our compassion.
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14:14 - 14:16I think that's the most important thing that people have,
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14:16 - 14:18is compassion.
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14:18 - 14:20It's really important to get those images
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14:20 - 14:22and to show it.
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14:22 - 14:25But really, where are those birds going to get released to?
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14:25 - 14:27It's like taking somebody out of a burning building,
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14:27 - 14:29treating them for smoke inhalation
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14:29 - 14:32and sending them back into the building, because the oil is still gushing.
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14:33 - 14:35I refuse to acknowledge this
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14:35 - 14:38as anything like an accident.
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14:38 - 14:41I think that this is the result of gross negligence.
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14:41 - 14:46(Applause)
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14:46 - 14:48Not just B.P.
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14:48 - 14:50B.P. operated
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14:50 - 14:53very sloppily and very recklessly
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14:53 - 14:55because they could.
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14:55 - 14:57And they were allowed to do so
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14:57 - 15:00because of the absolute failure of oversight
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15:00 - 15:03of the government that's supposed to be
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15:03 - 15:06our government, protecting us.
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15:08 - 15:10It turns out that --
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15:10 - 15:13you see this sign on almost every commercial vessel in the United States --
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15:13 - 15:15you know, if you spilled a couple of gallons of oil,
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15:15 - 15:17you would be in big trouble.
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15:17 - 15:19And you have to really wonder
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15:19 - 15:22who are the laws made for,
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15:22 - 15:25and who has gotten above the laws.
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15:25 - 15:27Now there are things that we can do in the future.
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15:27 - 15:30We could have the kinds of equipment that we would really need.
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15:30 - 15:32It would not take an awful lot
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15:32 - 15:34to anticipate
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15:34 - 15:36that after making 30,000 holes
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15:36 - 15:39in the sea floor of the Gulf of Mexico looking for oil,
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15:39 - 15:41oil might start coming out of one of them.
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15:41 - 15:44And you'd have some idea of what to do.
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15:44 - 15:47That's certainly one of the things we need to do.
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15:47 - 15:49But I think we have to understand where this leak
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15:49 - 15:52really started from.
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15:52 - 15:54It really started from the destruction
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15:54 - 15:57of the idea that the government is there
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15:57 - 16:00because it's our government, meant to protect
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16:00 - 16:02the larger public interest.
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16:06 - 16:08So I think that the oil blowout,
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16:08 - 16:10the bank bailout,
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16:10 - 16:13the mortgage crisis and all these things
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16:13 - 16:16are absolutely symptoms of
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16:16 - 16:18the same cause.
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16:18 - 16:20We still seem to understand
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16:20 - 16:23that at least we need the police to protect us
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16:23 - 16:26from a few bad people.
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16:26 - 16:28And even though the police can be a little annoying at times --
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16:28 - 16:30giving us tickets and stuff like that --
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16:30 - 16:33nobody says that we should just get rid of them.
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16:33 - 16:36But in the entire rest of government right now
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16:36 - 16:38and for the last at least 30 years,
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16:38 - 16:41there has been a culture of deregulation
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16:41 - 16:43that is caused directly
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16:43 - 16:45by the people who
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16:45 - 16:47we need to be protected from,
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16:47 - 16:50buying the government out from under us.
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16:50 - 16:59(Applause)
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17:00 - 17:03Now this has been a problem for a very, very long time.
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17:03 - 17:06You can see that
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17:06 - 17:08corporations were illegal at the founding of America,
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17:08 - 17:11and even Thomas Jefferson complained
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17:11 - 17:14that they were already
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17:14 - 17:17bidding defiance to the laws of our country.
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17:18 - 17:20Okay, people who say
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17:20 - 17:22they're conservative,
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17:22 - 17:24if they really wanted to be
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17:24 - 17:26really conservative and really patriotic,
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17:26 - 17:28they would tell these corporations
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17:28 - 17:30to go to hell.
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17:30 - 17:33That's what it would really mean to be conservative.
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17:34 - 17:36So what we really need to do
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17:36 - 17:38is regain the idea
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17:38 - 17:40that it's our government
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17:40 - 17:42safeguarding our interests
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17:42 - 17:44and regain a sense of unity
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17:44 - 17:46and common cause in our country
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17:46 - 17:48that really has been lost.
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17:49 - 17:51I think there are signs of hope.
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17:51 - 17:53We seem to be waking up a little bit.
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17:53 - 17:55The Glass-Steagall Act --
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17:55 - 17:57which was really to protect us from the kind of thing
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17:57 - 17:59that caused the recession to happen,
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17:59 - 18:01and the bank meltdown
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18:01 - 18:03and all that stuff that required the bailouts --
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18:03 - 18:05that was put in effect in 1933,
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18:05 - 18:08was systematically destroyed.
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18:08 - 18:10Now there's a mood to put some of that stuff
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18:10 - 18:12back in place,
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18:12 - 18:14but the lobbyists are already there
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18:14 - 18:16trying to weaken the regulations
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18:16 - 18:19after the legislation has just passed.
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18:19 - 18:21So it's a continued fight.
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18:21 - 18:23It's a historic moment right now.
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18:23 - 18:25We're either going to have an absolutely
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18:25 - 18:27unmitigated catastrophe
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18:27 - 18:29of this oil leak in the Gulf,
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18:29 - 18:31or we will make the moment we need out of this,
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18:31 - 18:33as many people have noted today.
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18:33 - 18:35There's certainly a common theme
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18:35 - 18:37about needing to make the moment out of this.
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18:37 - 18:39We've been through this before
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18:39 - 18:41with other ways of offshore drilling.
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18:41 - 18:44The first offshore wells were called whales.
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18:44 - 18:47The first offshore drills were called harpoons.
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18:47 - 18:50We emptied the ocean of the whales at that time.
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18:50 - 18:52Now are we stuck with this?
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18:52 - 18:54Ever since we lived in caves,
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18:54 - 18:56every time we wanted any energy,
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18:56 - 18:59we lit something on fire, and that is still what we're doing.
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18:59 - 19:01We're still lighting something on fire
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19:01 - 19:04every time we want energy.
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19:04 - 19:06And people say
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19:06 - 19:08we can't have clean energy
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19:08 - 19:11because it's too expensive.
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19:11 - 19:13Who says it's too expensive?
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19:13 - 19:15People who sell us fossil fuels.
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19:15 - 19:18We've been here before with energy,
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19:18 - 19:20and people saying the economy
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19:20 - 19:22cannot withstand a switch,
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19:22 - 19:25because the cheapest energy was slavery.
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19:25 - 19:28Energy is always a moral issue.
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19:28 - 19:30It's an issue that is moral right now.
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19:30 - 19:32It's a matter of right and wrong.
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19:32 - 19:34Thank you very much.
- Title:
- The oil spill's unseen culprits, victims
- Speaker:
- Carl Safina
- Description:
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The Gulf oil spill dwarfs comprehension, but we know this much: it's bad. Carl Safina scrapes out the facts in this blood-boiling cross-examination, arguing that the consequences will stretch far beyond the Gulf -- and many so-called solutions are making the situation worse.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
- closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 19:35
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The English transcript was updated on 11/14/2016.