What happened when we paired up thousands of strangers to talk politics
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0:01 - 0:02Now, this is Joanna.
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0:02 - 0:06Joanna works at a university in Poland.
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0:06 - 0:09And one Saturday morning at 3am,
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0:09 - 0:11she got up, packed her rucksack
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0:11 - 0:14and traveled more than
a thousand kilometers, -
0:14 - 0:16only to have a political argument
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0:17 - 0:18with a stranger.
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0:19 - 0:23His name is Christof,
and he's a customer manager from Germany. -
0:23 - 0:25And the two had never met before.
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0:25 - 0:29They only knew that they were
totally at odds over European politics, -
0:29 - 0:33over migration, or the relationship
to Russia or whatever. -
0:33 - 0:36And they were arguing for almost one day.
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0:37 - 0:43And after that, Joanna sent me
a somewhat irritating email. -
0:44 - 0:48"That was really cool, and I enjoyed
every single minute of it!" -
0:48 - 0:50(Laughter)
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0:50 - 0:55So these are Tom from the UK
and Nils from Germany. -
0:55 - 0:56They also were strangers,
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0:56 - 0:59and they are both supporters
of their local football team, -
0:59 - 1:05as you may imagine, Borussia Dortmund
and Tottenham Hotspurs. -
1:05 - 1:08And so they met on the very spot
where football roots were invented, -
1:08 - 1:10on some field in Cambridge.
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1:10 - 1:12And they didn't argue about football,
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1:12 - 1:14but about Brexit.
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1:15 - 1:19And after talking for many hours
about this contentious topic, -
1:19 - 1:23they also sent a rather unexpected email.
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1:23 - 1:28"It was delightful, and we both
enjoyed it very much." -
1:28 - 1:29(Laughter)
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1:29 - 1:35So in spring 2019,
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1:35 - 1:40more than 17,000 Europeans
from 33 countries -
1:40 - 1:43signed up to have a political argument.
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1:44 - 1:48Thousands crossed their borders to meet
a stranger with a different opinion, -
1:48 - 1:53and they were all part of a project
called "Europe Talks." -
1:54 - 1:58Now, talking about politics
amongst people with different opinions -
1:58 - 2:01has become really difficult,
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2:01 - 2:02not only in Europe.
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2:02 - 2:06Families are splitting,
friends no longer talk to each other. -
2:06 - 2:07We stay in our bubbles.
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2:08 - 2:13And these so-called filter bubbles
are amplified by social media, -
2:13 - 2:16but they are not,
in the core, a digital product. -
2:16 - 2:19The filter bubble has always been there.
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2:19 - 2:21It's in our minds.
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2:21 - 2:24As many studies repeatedly have shown,
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2:24 - 2:31we, for example, ignore effects
that contradict our convictions. -
2:31 - 2:34So correcting fake news
is definitely necessary, -
2:34 - 2:38but it's not sufficient
to get a divided society -
2:38 - 2:40to rethink itself.
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2:41 - 2:44Fortunately, according to
at least some research, -
2:44 - 2:48there may be a simple way
to get a new perspective: -
2:48 - 2:51a personal one-on-one discussion
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2:51 - 2:54with someone who doesn't
have your opinion. -
2:55 - 2:58It enables you to see
the world in a new way, -
2:58 - 3:01through someone else's eyes.
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3:03 - 3:06Now, I'm the editor of "ZEIT ONLINE,"
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3:06 - 3:10one of the major digital
news organizations in Germany. -
3:10 - 3:16And we started what became "Europe Talks"
as a really modest editorial exercise. -
3:16 - 3:18As many journalists,
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3:18 - 3:22we were impressed by Trump and by Brexit,
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3:22 - 3:26and Germany was getting divided, too,
especially over the issue of migration. -
3:26 - 3:31So the arrival of more than
a million refugees in 2015 and 2016 -
3:32 - 3:34dominated somewhat the debate.
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3:34 - 3:39And when we were thinking
about our own upcoming election in 2017, -
3:39 - 3:44we definitely knew that we had to reinvent
the way we were dealing with politics. -
3:45 - 3:48So digital nerds that we are,
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3:48 - 3:54we came up with obviously
many very strange digital product ideas, -
3:54 - 3:58one of them being a Tinder for politics --
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3:58 - 4:00(Laughter)
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4:00 - 4:05a dating platform for political opposites,
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4:05 - 4:08a tool that could help get people
together with different opinions. -
4:09 - 4:11And we decided to test it
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4:11 - 4:16and launched what techies would call
a "minimum viable product." -
4:16 - 4:18So it was really simple.
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4:18 - 4:22We called it "Deutschland spricht" --
"Germany Talks" -- -
4:22 - 4:27and we started with that in May 2017.
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4:28 - 4:31And it was really simple.
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4:31 - 4:33We used mainly Google Forms,
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4:33 - 4:39a tool that each and every one of us here
can use to make surveys online. -
4:39 - 4:44And everywhere in our content,
we embedded simple questions like this: -
4:44 - 4:48"Did Germany take in too many refugees?"
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4:48 - 4:50You click yes or no.
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4:50 - 4:55We asked you more questions, like,
"Does the West treat Russia fairly?" -
4:55 - 4:58or, "Should gay couples
be allowed to marry?" -
4:58 - 5:01And if you answered all these questions,
we asked one more question: -
5:01 - 5:06"Hey, would you like to meet a neighbor
who totally disagrees with you?" -
5:06 - 5:08(Laughter)
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5:09 - 5:14So this was a really simple experiment
with no budget whatsoever. -
5:14 - 5:18We expected some
hundred-ish people to register, -
5:18 - 5:22and we planned to match them
by hand, the pairs. -
5:22 - 5:28And after one day,
1,000 people had registered. -
5:28 - 5:33And after some weeks,
12,000 Germans had signed up -
5:33 - 5:35to meet someone else
with a different opinion. -
5:35 - 5:37So we had a problem.
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5:37 - 5:39(Laughter)
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5:39 - 5:42We hacked a quick and dirty algorithm
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5:42 - 5:45that would find
the perfect Tinder matches, -
5:45 - 5:49like people living as close as possible
having answered the questions -
5:49 - 5:51as differently as possible.
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5:52 - 5:55We introduced them via email.
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5:56 - 6:00And, as you may imagine,
we had many concerns. -
6:00 - 6:04Maybe no one would show up in real life.
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6:05 - 6:09Maybe all the discussions
in real life would be awful. -
6:10 - 6:13Or maybe we had an axe murderer
in our database. -
6:13 - 6:14(Laughter)
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6:15 - 6:20But then, on a Sunday in June 2017,
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6:20 - 6:22something beautiful happened.
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6:23 - 6:28Thousands of Germans met in pairs
and talked about politics peacefully. -
6:29 - 6:30Like Anno.
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6:30 - 6:35He's a former policeman who's against --
or was against -- gay marriage, -
6:35 - 6:39and Anne, she's an engineer who lives
in a domestic partnership -
6:39 - 6:40with another woman.
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6:41 - 6:43And they were talking
for hours about all the topics -
6:43 - 6:45where they had different opinions.
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6:46 - 6:48At one point, Anno told us later,
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6:48 - 6:55he realized that Anne was hurt
by his statements about gay marriage, -
6:55 - 6:58and he started to question
his own assumptions. -
6:58 - 7:00And after talking for three hours,
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7:00 - 7:04Anne invited Anno to her summer party,
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7:04 - 7:06and today, years later,
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7:06 - 7:09they still meet from time to time
and are friends. -
7:09 - 7:13So our algorithm matched,
for example, this court bailiff. -
7:13 - 7:20He's also a spokesperson of the right-wing
populist party AfD in Germany, -
7:20 - 7:21and this counselor for pregnant women.
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7:21 - 7:24She used to be an active member
of the Green Party. -
7:25 - 7:29We even matched this professor
and his student. -
7:30 - 7:33(Laughter)
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7:33 - 7:35It's an algorithm.
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7:36 - 7:37(Laughter)
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7:37 - 7:43We also matched a father-in-law
and his very own daughter-in-law, -
7:43 - 7:48because, obviously, they live close by
but have really different opinions. -
7:48 - 7:49So as a general rule,
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7:49 - 7:54we did not observe, record,
document the discussions, -
7:54 - 7:57because we didn't want
people to perform in any way. -
7:57 - 7:59But I made an exception.
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7:59 - 8:01I took part myself.
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8:01 - 8:06And so I met in my trendy Berlin
neighborhood called Prenzlauer Berg, -
8:06 - 8:08I met Mirko.
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8:08 - 8:12This is me talking to Mirko.
Mirko didn't want to be in the picture. -
8:12 - 8:14He's a young plant operator,
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8:14 - 8:17and he looked like
all the hipsters in our area, -
8:17 - 8:19like with a beard and a beanie.
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8:19 - 8:24We were talking for hours,
and I found him to be a wonderful person. -
8:24 - 8:27And despite the fact that we had
really different opinions -
8:27 - 8:30about most of the topics --
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8:30 - 8:32maybe with the exception
of women's rights, -
8:32 - 8:35where I couldn't comprehend
his thoughts -- -
8:35 - 8:37it was really nice.
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8:37 - 8:39After our discussion, I Googled Mirko.
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8:41 - 8:46And I found out that in his teenage years,
he used to be a neo-Nazi. -
8:47 - 8:49So I called him and asked,
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8:49 - 8:51"Hey, why didn't you tell me?"
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8:51 - 8:55And he said, "You know, I didn't tell you
because I want to get over it. -
8:55 - 8:59I just don't want
to talk about it anymore." -
9:01 - 9:08I thought that people with
a history like that could never change, -
9:08 - 9:11and I had to rethink my assumptions,
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9:11 - 9:16as did many of the participants
who sent us thousands of emails -
9:16 - 9:18and also selfies.
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9:21 - 9:23No violence was recorded whatsoever.
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9:23 - 9:24(Laughter)
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9:24 - 9:28And we just don't know
if some of the pairs got married. -
9:28 - 9:29(Laughter)
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9:29 - 9:34But, at least, we were really excited
and wanted to do it again, -
9:34 - 9:37especially in version 2.0,
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9:37 - 9:40wanted to expand the diversity
of the participants, -
9:40 - 9:45because obviously in the first round,
they were mainly our readers. -
9:45 - 9:47And so we embraced our competition
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9:47 - 9:52and asked other media outlets to join.
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9:52 - 9:54We coordinated via Slack.
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9:55 - 10:00And this live collaboration
among 11 major German media houses -
10:00 - 10:02was definitely a first in Germany.
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10:02 - 10:08The numbers more than doubled:
28,000 people applied this time. -
10:08 - 10:09And the German president --
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10:09 - 10:11you see him here
in the center of the picture -- -
10:11 - 10:13became our patron.
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10:13 - 10:19And so, thousands of Germans met again
in the summer of 2018 -
10:19 - 10:22to talk to someone else
with a different opinion. -
10:22 - 10:25Some of the pairs we invited
to Berlin to a special event. -
10:25 - 10:27And there, this picture was taken,
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10:27 - 10:32until today my favorite symbol
for "Germany Talks." -
10:32 - 10:35You see Henrik,
a bus driver and boxing trainer, -
10:35 - 10:39and Engelbert, the director
of a children's help center. -
10:39 - 10:43They answered all of the seven questions
we asked differently. -
10:44 - 10:46They had never met before this day,
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10:46 - 10:49and they had a really intensive discussion
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10:49 - 10:52and seemed to get along anyway
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10:52 - 10:53with each other.
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10:54 - 10:56So this time we also wanted to know
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10:56 - 11:01if the discussion would have
any impact on the participants. -
11:01 - 11:05So we asked researchers
to survey the participants. -
11:05 - 11:10And two-thirds of the participants said
that they learned something -
11:10 - 11:12about their partner's attitudes.
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11:12 - 11:16Sixty percent agreed
that their viewpoints converged. -
11:17 - 11:21The level of trust in society
seemed also higher after the event, -
11:21 - 11:22according to the researchers.
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11:22 - 11:26Ninety percent said that
they enjoyed their discussion. -
11:26 - 11:29Ten percent said they didn't
enjoy their discussion, -
11:29 - 11:33eight percent only because,
simply, their partner didn't show up. -
11:33 - 11:35(Laughter)
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11:35 - 11:40After "Germany Talks," we got approached
by many international media outlets, -
11:40 - 11:45and we decided this time to build
a serious and secure platform. -
11:45 - 11:47We called it "My Country Talks."
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11:48 - 11:53And in this short period of time,
"My Country Talks" has already been used -
11:53 - 11:56for more than a dozen
local and national events -
11:56 - 12:01like "Het grote gelijk" in Belgium
or "Suomi puhuu" in Finland -
12:01 - 12:03or "Britain Talks" in the UK.
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12:04 - 12:09And as I mentioned at the beginning,
we also launched "Europe Talks," -
12:09 - 12:11together with 15
international media partners, -
12:11 - 12:17from the "Financial Times" in the UK
to "Helsingin Sanomat" in Finland. -
12:17 - 12:20Thousands of Europeans met
with a total stranger -
12:20 - 12:22to argue about politics.
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12:23 - 12:28So far, we have been approached
by more than 150 global media outlets, -
12:28 - 12:31and maybe someday there will be
something like "The World Talks," -
12:31 - 12:34with hundreds of thousands
of participants. -
12:34 - 12:38But what matters here are not the numbers,
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12:39 - 12:40obviously.
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12:42 - 12:43What matters here is ...
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12:44 - 12:48Whenever two people meet
to talk in person for hours -
12:48 - 12:51without anyone else listening,
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12:51 - 12:52they change.
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12:53 - 12:54And so do our societies.
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12:54 - 12:58They change little by little,
discussion by discussion. -
12:58 - 13:01What matters here is that we relearn
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13:01 - 13:04how to have these
face-to-face discussions, -
13:04 - 13:06without anyone else listening,
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13:06 - 13:08with a stranger.
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13:08 - 13:10Not only with a stranger
we are introduced to -
13:10 - 13:13by a Tinder for politics,
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13:13 - 13:17but also with a stranger in a pub
or in a gym or at a conference. -
13:18 - 13:20So please meet someone
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13:20 - 13:22and have an argument
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13:22 - 13:24and enjoy it very much.
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13:24 - 13:25Thank you.
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13:25 - 13:29(Applause)
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13:29 - 13:30Wow!
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13:30 - 13:32(Applause)
- Title:
- What happened when we paired up thousands of strangers to talk politics
- Speaker:
- Jochen Wegner
- Description:
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In spring 2019, more than 17,000 Europeans from 33 countries signed up to have a political argument with a complete stranger. They were part of "Europe Talks," a project that organizes one-on-one conversations between people who disagree -- sort of like a Tinder for politics. Editor Jochen Wegner shares the unexpected things that happened when people met up to talk -- and shows how face-to-face discussions could get a divided world to rethink itself.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
- closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 13:46
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