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Title:
Nir Eyal - The Morality of Manipulation Product Design Udacity
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Description:
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Hi, I'm with Nier again.
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In your book,
you talk about manipulation metrics.
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Could you explain about that?
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>> Yeah.
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So, ethics is something
I care about deeply.
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And, a question I often get is
aren't you teaching people how
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to make the bomb, right?
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Aren't you giving people the tools
to use our deeper psychology to
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manipulate people's
day-to-day behaviors?
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And the answer is yes.
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That, in fact, these tools can
be used for nefarious purposes.
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The reason I wrote this book was
because I worked in the advertising and
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gaming industry and I'm trying to bring
these techniques that advertisers and
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gamers have known for
quite some time, but
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to bring these techniques
to the larger community.
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To help people build products and
services, not just in gaming and
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advertising, but in health care and
in education and
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in all sorts of industries where we
can use the power of habits for good.
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And so that's really why,
the first reason I wrote this book.
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But there's still this test that I
give to someone who's concerned,
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hey how do I make sure that I'm using
these habit-forming techniques?
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for good.
And so I provide this two-part test
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in the form of what I call, what you
mentioned, the Manipulation Matrix.
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The Manipulation Matrix is this
four quadrant matrices where
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on one axis you have,
do you believe that the product or
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service that you're working on is
materially improving people's lives?
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Yes or No.
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That's the first criteria on the Y axis.
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Do you believe what you're working on
is materially improving people's lives,
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yes or no.
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And only you can answer this question,
right?
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This isn't a test for you to judge other
people or for other people to judge you.
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It's sincerely for
this question of, hey,
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how do I make sure that I'm using
my limited time on earth, right?
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How do I allocate my human
capital towards something
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that can serve a higher purpose,
that can do some good in the world.
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So that's the first question.
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But that's not good enough.
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Because there's another question
that I think is critical.
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Which is, am I the user?
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Am I the user?
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So there's this two part test.
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Now, why do I make people
answer that question?
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And, that's what's on the X axis.
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If, yes I'm the user or
no I'm not the user.
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Do you happen to know the first
rule of drug dealing?
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>> Never use?
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>> Close, yeah.
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Never get high on your own supply,
very good.
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I don't want to ask about
your background, but
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let's just go with that, right?
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>> Okay.
>> That's the first rule
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of drug dealing,
never get high on your own supply.
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>> You're right.
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>> So, what I'm doing by asking makers
to consider this question of, number
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one, do I believe what I'm working on
is materially improving people's lives?
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And the number two, am I their user
I'm making them break that rule
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because if there are any negative
effects to overusing this product,
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if this product is potentially addictive
as opposed to just habit-forming,
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guess who's going to be
the first person to realize it.
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So that two part test, I think, puts
you not only in a good moral position
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because you are the user of the product,
interestingly enough,
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it actually increases your odds of
success from a business perspective.
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You become what I call a facilitator.
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If you can answer in the affirmative
to these two questions,
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you're a facilitator.
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And it turns out that the companies
that we talked about earlier,
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Facebook and Google and
Instagram and WhatsApp and Slack and
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SnapChat, all of these companies turns
out were started by a facilitator.
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Doesn't mean you can't make money or
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have a good business in any of those
other four quadrants, it's just that I
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think your highest odds of success, and
you're also in a good moral position,
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if you can answer yes
to those two questions.
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>> You probably also feel very
passionate if you're the user, right?
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>> Right, right, and
you just build better products, right?
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The advantage of knowing your user,
right?
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Because, you've got
the user right there,
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you've got your customer
in you is a huge advantage.
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And, we don't always
have that opportunity.
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If you're working at an agency, or
working at a company where maybe it's
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servicing somebody who is not you,
as the user.
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We don't always have that luxury.
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But then again, we always do.
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We could always choose what we work on,
and
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what we're going to spend our time on.
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And so
I think that's the best place to be.
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>> Can you give us an example of
how you can use hooks for good?
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>> Sure, so a big reason why I wrote
this book is because I want people to
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use the psychology of
habits to help people live
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>> better lives, and so
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I actually do a bit of angel
investing when I see these hooks
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in products that I think can actually
improve people's well being.
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So, there's several
companies that come to mind,
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one company that I'm a big fan
of is called Pantrylabs, and
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Pantrylabs is trying to take on this
obesity epidemic, and what the,
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the company founders realized is that
>> People were eating unhealthy food,
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because let's face it, unhealthy food
is very convenient, it's cheap, and
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it's delicious.
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So how do we compete with a vending
machine full of refined sugars that
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are bad for us, that we know cause
obesity and all kinds of other problems,
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and that's the entire vending machine So
here comes Pantry lab and says look,
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we're going to take a refrigerator,
with a door on it.
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And we're going to attach like a kind of
like an iPad like device to the front
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and you can open the machine,
the refrigerator whenever you like.
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But as soon as you take
something out of that machine,
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that happens to be stocked
with fresh delivered food.
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Everyday the food is delivered fresh,
full of salads,
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full of fresh ingredients that
are very nutritious and healthy for
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you As soon as you take out
the food from the machine, it has
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a RFID chip attached to it and your
credit card is automatically charged.
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So know for the first time,
healthy food,
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in an office building is as convenient
to acquire as unhealthy food.
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And they're really changing people's
lives, their day to day habits,
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it turns out, That losing weight
doesn't have to be about willpower.
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It's not your lack of character that
you can't resist these temptations.
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It's just that if we make the behavior
easier to do, which is a big part of
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what I described in the book in
the action phase of the hook.
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If we make that behavior easier
to do and we build a habit
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out of eating healthy food by making
it as accessible as unhealthy food.
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That's all we gotta do, right?
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We don't have to expend will power.
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We don't have to do this hard work.
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And that's really what's so beautiful
about using habits to change behaviors
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is that, when we use habits,
we off load the will power.
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It doesn't have to become
a struggle anymore.
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It's something that we do day in and day
out with little or no conscious thought.
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>> So people will do the right
thing if you make it easier.
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>> Right.
Easier, and make it a habit.
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Right.
So part of what makes using Pantry Lab
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so easy is I put in my credit card,
that's the investment phase of the hook.
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And then I tell it my preferences and so
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more of that food gets
delivered to me in the future.
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So this refrigerator that's
just a vending machine,
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essentially, gets smarter and
smarter over time the more I use it.