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How to expose the corrupt | Peter Eigen | TEDxBerlin

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    Well, what an act to follow!
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    I was afraid that, speaking after lunch
    I would find you all very sleepy
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    and very downtrodden,
    but I guess he woke us all up.
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    Wonderful.
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    Well, when I was invited to speak here,
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    I was given the theme micro and macro.
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    And I thought
    I'd speak about small corruption,
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    and grand corruption.
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    Because I always speak about corruption.
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    But after seeing this audience here,
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    after being energized and stimulated
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    by so many exciting people in this room,
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    I would like to change my subject a bit.
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    I am going to speak about corruption,
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    but I would like to juxtapose
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    two different things.
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    One is the large global economy,
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    the large globalized economy,
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    and the other one is the small,
    and very limited,
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    capacity of our traditional governments
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    and their international institutions
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    to govern, to shape, this economy.
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    Because there is this asymmetry,
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    which creates, basically,
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    failing governance.
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    Failing governance in many areas:
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    in the area of corruption and the area
    of destruction of the environment,
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    in the area of exploitation
    of women and children,
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    in the area of climate change,
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    in all the areas in which we really need
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    a capacity to reintroduce
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    the primacy of politics
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    into the economy,
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    which is operating in a worldwide arena.
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    And I think corruption,
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    and the fight against corruption,
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    and the impact of corruption,
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    is probably
    one of the most interesting ways
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    to illustrate what I mean
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    with this failure of governance.
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    Because I'm saying
    that it is this lack of global reach
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    of state actors, state institutions
    and international organizations.
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    It is the lack of their
    longer term time horizon
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    in serving short term interest
    of their constituencies
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    and dealing with short electoral periods.
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    Which makes it so difficult
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    to expect from our present
    paradigm of governance
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    to help us to create a better world.
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    Again, corruption is probably the area
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    which illustrates best what I mean
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    when I'm talking about this
    inherent governance failure
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    which we are facing
    in a globalized economy.
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    Let me talk about my own experience.
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    I used to work as the director
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    of the World Bank office in Nairobi
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    for East Africa.
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    At that time, I noticed
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    that corruption, that grand corruption,
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    that systematic corruption,
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    was undermining everything
    we were trying to do.
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    And therefore, I began
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    to not only try to protect
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    the work of the World Bank,
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    our own projects,
    our own programs against corruption,
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    but in general, I thought,
    "We need a system
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    to protect the people
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    in this part of the world
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    from the ravages of corruption."
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    And as soon as I started this work,
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    I received a memorandum
    from the World Bank,
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    from the legal department first,
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    in which they said,
    "You are not allowed to do this.
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    You are meddling in the internal
    affairs of our partner countries.
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    This is forbidden by the charter
    of the World Bank,
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    so I want you to stop your doings."
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    In the meantime, I was chairing
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    donor meetings, for instance,
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    in which the various donors,
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    and many of them like to be in Nairobi -
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    it is true, it is one
    of the unsafest cities of the world,
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    but they like to be there
    because the other cities
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    are even less comfortable.
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    And in these donor meetings, I noticed
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    that many of the worst projects -
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    which were put forward
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    by our clients, by the governments,
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    by promoters,
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    many of them representing
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    suppliers from the North -
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    that the worst projects
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    were realized first.
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    Let me give you an example:
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    a huge power project,
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    300 million dollars,
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    to be built smack into
    one of the most vulnerable,
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    and one of the most beautiful,
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    areas of western Kenya.
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    And we all noticed immediately
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    that this project had
    no economic benefits:
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    It had no clients,
    nobody would buy the electricity there,
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    nobody was interested
    in irrigation projects.
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    To the contrary, we knew that this project
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    would destroy the environment:
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    It would destroy riparian forests,
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    which were the basis
    for the survival of nomadic groups,
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    the Samburu and the Turkana in this area.
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    So everybody knew this is a,
    not a useless project,
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    this is an absolute damaging,
    a terrible project -
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    not to speak about the future
    indebtedness of the country
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    for these hundreds of millions of dollars,
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    and the siphoning off
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    of the scarce resources of the economy
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    from much more important activities
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    like schools, like hospitals and so on.
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    And yet, we all rejected this project,
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    none of the donors was willing
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    to have their name connected with it,
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    and it was the first
    project to be implemented.
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    The good projects,
    which we as a donor community
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    would take under our wings,
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    they took years, you know,
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    you had too many studies,
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    and very often they didn't succeed.
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    But these bad projects,
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    which were absolutely damaging -
    for the economy,
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    for many generations, for the environment,
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    for thousands of families
    who had to be resettled -
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    they were suddenly put together
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    by consortia of banks,
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    of supplier agencies,
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    of insurance agencies -
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    like in Germany, Hermes, and so on -
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    and they came back very, very quickly,
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    driven by an unholy alliance
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    between the powerful elites
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    in the countries there
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    and the suppliers from the North.
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    Now, these suppliers
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    were our big companies.
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    They were the actors
    of this global market,
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    which I mentioned in the beginning.
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    They were the Siemenses of this world,
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    coming from France,
    from the UK, from Japan,
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    from Canada, from Germany,
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    and they were systematically driven
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    by systematic, large-scale corruption.
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    We are not talking about
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    50,000 dollars here,
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    or 100,000 dollars there,
    or one million dollars there.
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    No, we are talking about
    10 million, 20 million dollars
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    on the Swiss bank accounts,
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    on the bank accounts of Liechtenstein,
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    of the president's ministers,
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    the high officials
    in the para-statal sectors.
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    This was the reality which I saw,
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    and not only one project like that:
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    I saw, I would say,
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    over the years I worked in Africa,
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    I saw hundreds of projects like this.
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    And so, I became convinced
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    that it is this systematic corruption
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    which is perverting economic
    policy-making in these countries,
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    which is the main reason
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    for the misery, for the poverty,
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    for the conflicts, for the violence,
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    for the desperation
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    in many of these countries.
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    That we have today
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    more than a billion people
    below the absolute poverty line,
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    that we have more than a billion people
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    without proper drinking water
    in the world,
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    twice that number,
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    more than two billion people
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    without sanitation and so on,
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    and the consequent illnesses
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    of mothers and children,
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    still, child mortality of more
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    than 10 million people every year,
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    children dying
    before they are five years old.
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    The cause of this is, to a large extent,
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    grand corruption.
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    Now, why did the World Bank
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    not let me do this work?
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    I found out afterward,
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    after I left, under a big fight,
    the World Bank.
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    The reason was that the members
    of the World Bank
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    thought that foreign bribery was okay,
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    including Germany.
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    In Germany, foreign bribery was allowed.
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    It was even tax-deductible.
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    No wonder that most of the most important
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    international operators in Germany,
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    but also in France and the UK
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    and Scandinavia, everywhere,
    systematically bribed.
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    Not all of them, but most of them.
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    And this is the phenomenon
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    which I call failing governance,
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    because when I then came to Germany
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    and started this little NGO
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    here in Berlin, at the Villa Borsig,
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    we were told,
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    "You cannot stop
    our German exporters from bribing,
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    because we will lose our contracts.
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    We will lose to the French,
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    we will lose to the Swedes,
    we'll lose to the Japanese."
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    And therefore, there was indeed
    a prisoner's dilemma,
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    which made it very difficult
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    for an individual company,
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    an individual exporting country
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    to say, "We are not going
    to continue this deadly, disastrous
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    habit of large companies to bribe."
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    So this is what I mean
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    with a failing governance structure,
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    because even the powerful government,
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    which we have in Germany, comparatively,
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    was not able to say,
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    "We will not allow our companies
    to bribe abroad."
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    They needed help,
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    and the large companies themselves
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    have this dilemma.
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    Many of them didn't want to bribe.
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    Many of the German
    companies, for instance,
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    believe that they are really
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    producing a high-quality product
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    at a good price,
    so they are very competitive.
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    They are not as good at bribing
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    as many of their international
    competitors are,
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    but they were not allowed
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    to show their strengths,
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    because the world was eaten up
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    by grand corruption.
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    And this is why I'm telling you this:
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    Civil society rose to the occasion.
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    We had this small NGO,
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    Transparency International.
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    They began to think
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    of an escape route
    from this prisoner's dilemma,
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    and we developed concepts
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    of collective action,
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    basically trying to bring
    various competitors
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    together around the table,
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    explaining to all of them
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    how much it would be in their interests
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    if they simultaneously would stop bribing,
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    and to make a long story short,
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    we managed to eventually
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    get Germany to sign
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    together with the other OECD countries
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    and a few other exporters,
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    in 1997, a convention,
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    under the auspices of the OECD,
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    which obliged everybody
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    to change their laws
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    and criminalize foreign bribery.
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    (Applause)
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    Well, thank you. I mean, it's interesting,
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    in doing this,
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    we had to sit together with the companies.
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    We had here in Berlin,
    at the Aspen Institute on the Wannsee,
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    we had sessions with about
    20 captains of industry,
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    and we discussed with them
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    what to do about international bribery.
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    In the first session -
    we had three sessions
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    over the course of two years.
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    And President Von Weizsicker, by the way,
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    chaired one of the sessions,
    the first one,
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    to take the fear away
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    from the entrepreneurs,
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    who were not used to deal
    with non-governmental organizations.
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    And in the first session, they all said,
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    "This is not bribery, what we are doing.
    This is customary there.
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    This is what these other cultures demand.
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    They even applaud it."
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    In fact, Martin Walzer,
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    still says this today.
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    And so there are still a lot of people
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    who are not convinced
    that you have to stop bribing.
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    But in the second session,
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    they admitted already
    that they would never do this,
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    what they are doing
    in these other countries,
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    here in Germany,
    or in the U.K., and so on.
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    Cabinet ministers would admit this.
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    And in the final session,
    at the Aspen Institute,
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    we had them all sign an open letter
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    to the Kohl government, at the time,
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    requesting that they participate
    in the OECD convention.
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    And this is, in my opinion,
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    an example of soft power,
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    because we were able to convince them
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    that they had to go with us.
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    We had a longer-term time perspective.
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    We had a broader,
    geographically much wider,
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    constituency we were trying to defend.
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    And that's why the law has changed.
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    That's why Siemens is now
    in the trouble they are in
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    and that's why MIN
    is in the trouble they are in.
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    In some other countries,
    the OECD convention
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    is not yet properly enforced.
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    And, again, civil societies
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    breathing down the neck
    of the establishment.
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    In London, for instance,
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    where the BAE got away
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    with a huge corruption case,
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    which the Serious Fraud Office
    tried to prosecute,
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    100 million British pounds,
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    every year for ten years,
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    to one particular official
    of one particular friendly country,
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    who then bought for 44 billion pounds
    of military equipment.
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    This case, they are not
    prosecuting in the UK.
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    Why? Because they consider this
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    as contrary to the security interest
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    of the people of Great Britain.
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    Civil society is pushing, civil society
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    is trying to get a solution
    to this problem,
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    also in the U.K.,
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    and also in Japan,
    which is not properly enforcing,
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    and so on.
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    In Germany, we are pushing
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    the ratification of the UN convention,
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    which is a subsequent convention.
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    We are, Germany, is not ratifying.
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    Why? Because it would make it necessary
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    to criminalize the corruption of deputies.
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    In Germany, we have a system where
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    you are not allowed
    to bribe a civil servant,
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    but you are allowed to bribe a deputy.
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    This is, under German law, allowed,
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    and the members of our parliament
    don't want to change this,
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    and this is why they can't sign
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    the U.N. convention
    against foreign bribery -
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    one of they very, very few countries
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    which is preaching honesty and good
    governance everywhere in the world,
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    but not able to ratify the convention,
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    which we managed to get on the books
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    with about 160 countries
    all over the world.
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    I see my time is ticking.
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    Let me just try
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    to draw some conclusions
    from what has happened.
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    I believe that what we managed to achieve
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    in fighting corruption,
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    one can also achieve
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    in other areas of failing governance.
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    By now, the United Nations
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    is totally on our side.
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    The World Bank has turned
    from Saulus to Paulus;
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    under Wolfensohn, they became,
    I would say,
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    the strongest anti-corruption agency
    in the world.
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    Most of the large companies
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    are now totally convinced
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    that they have to put in place
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    very strong policies
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    against bribery and so on.
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    And this is possible because civil society
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    joined the companies
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    and joined the government
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    in the analysis of the problem,
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    in the development of remedies,
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    in the implementation of reforms,
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    and then later,
    in the monitoring of reforms.
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    Of course, if civil society organizations
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    want to play that role,
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    they have to grow
    into this responsibility.
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    Not all civil society
    organizations are good.
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    The Ku Klux Klan is an NGO.
  • 16:22 - 16:24
    So, we must be aware
  • 16:24 - 16:26
    that civil society
  • 16:26 - 16:28
    has to shape up itself.
  • 16:28 - 16:30
    They have to have a much more
  • 16:30 - 16:32
    transparent financial governance.
  • 16:32 - 16:35
    They have to have a much more
    participatory governance
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    in many civil society organizations.
  • 16:38 - 16:41
    We also need much more competence
    of civil society leaders.
  • 16:41 - 16:44
    This is why we have set up
    the governance school
  • 16:44 - 16:46
    and the Center for Civil Society
    here in Berlin,
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    because we believe most of our educational
  • 16:49 - 16:52
    and research institutions in Germany
  • 16:52 - 16:54
    and continental Europe in general,
  • 16:54 - 16:55
    do not focus enough, yet,
  • 16:55 - 16:57
    on empowering civil society
  • 16:57 - 16:59
    and training the leadership
    of civil society.
  • 17:00 - 17:03
    But what I'm saying from my very
    practical experience:
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    If civil society does it right
  • 17:07 - 17:09
    and joins the other actors -
  • 17:09 - 17:11
    in particular, governance,
  • 17:11 - 17:14
    governments and their international
    institutions,
  • 17:14 - 17:17
    but also large international actors,
  • 17:17 - 17:19
    in particular those which have
    committed themselves
  • 17:19 - 17:21
    to corporate social responsibility -
  • 17:21 - 17:24
    then in this magical triangle
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    between civil society,
  • 17:26 - 17:28
    government and private sector,
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    there is a tremendous chance
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    for all of us to create a better world.
  • 17:34 - 17:35
    Thank you.
  • 17:35 - 17:37
    (Applause)
Title:
How to expose the corrupt | Peter Eigen | TEDxBerlin
Description:

Some of the world's most baffling social problems, says Peter Eigen, can be traced to systematic, pervasive government corruption, hand-in-glove with global companies. In this talk, Eigen describes the thrilling counter-attack led by his organization Transparency International.

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Video Language:
English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDxTalks
Duration:
17:40

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