Bill C-51 (Antiterrorism Act 2015): Short Primer on Key Aspects
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0:03 - 0:05My name's Craig Forcese
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0:05 - 0:08I'm a professor of law
at the University of Ottawa -
0:08 - 0:10where I teach among other things
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0:10 - 0:12national security law.
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0:12 - 0:15Professor Kent Roach
of the University of Toronto and I -
0:15 - 0:17have been conducting what we call
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0:17 - 0:22real-time academic
legal analysis of Bill [C-51], -
0:22 - 0:25the government's anti-terrorism law.
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0:25 - 0:30You'll find our analysis and related commentary
archived on our special website. -
0:30 - 0:31www.antiterrorlaw.ca
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0:31 - 0:36I've prepared 2 video explainers
on Bill C-51. -
0:36 - 0:38This video is the short one,
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0:38 - 0:41designed for people who are mostly familiar
with the bills' features, -
0:41 - 0:47and who are looking for a means of
navigating its various moving parts. -
0:47 - 0:50In the longer video,
I provide the same navigational help, -
0:50 - 0:56but also amplify with more
about what the bill does that is troubling. -
0:56 - 0:58So let me begin with a circle.
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1:00 - 1:03Within this circle is a universe of behaviour.
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1:03 - 1:04Behaviour by people.
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1:04 - 1:06Not all behaviour.
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1:06 - 1:08A certain sort of behaviour.
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1:08 - 1:09This is behaviour that -
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1:09 - 1:12in the words of part of Bill C-51 -
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1:12 - 1:15"undermines the security of Canada".
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1:15 - 1:17This part of the bill
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1:17 - 1:19authorizes information sharing
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1:19 - 1:23within and potentially outside government,
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1:23 - 1:25and is concerned with any activity undermining
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1:25 - 1:27-whatever that means-
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1:27 - 1:30the lives and security of the Canadian people
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1:30 - 1:35and the sovereignty, security
or territorial integrity of Canada. -
1:35 - 1:37The things that fall into this category
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1:37 - 1:38and thus into the circle,
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1:38 - 1:40are vast in number.
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1:40 - 1:42But the bill says they include activities
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1:42 - 1:46aimed at changing or "unduly influencing"
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1:46 - 1:48-whatever that means-
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1:48 - 1:52any Canadian government by unlawful means.
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1:52 - 1:56I will come back to this concept
of "unlawful" in a second. -
1:56 - 1:58The bill also names activities in Canada
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1:58 - 2:03that undermine the security of
another state, any state. -
2:03 - 2:05So that would include repressive ones.
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2:05 - 2:11It names activities that interfere with
critical infrastructure. Any interference. -
2:11 - 2:15Also included are any threats
to Canada's territorial integrity. -
2:15 - 2:19So, presumptively, sovereignty groups.
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2:19 - 2:22My key point on this definition is this:
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2:22 - 2:25This is a law of behaviour,
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2:25 - 2:28including behaviour we generally accept
in a democratic society, -
2:28 - 2:32even if it may annoy us or we may dislike it.
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2:32 - 2:34But there is a safeguard.
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2:34 - 2:36This concept of undermining security
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2:36 - 2:42does not reach lawful protest,
advocacy or artistic expression. -
2:42 - 2:45So this line bisecting the circle
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2:45 - 2:49is what I shall call the line of lawfulness.
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2:49 - 2:51On the left hand side of the line
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2:51 - 2:53your behaviour is perfectly lawful,
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2:53 - 2:58and you are not captured by any feature of Bill C-51.
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2:58 - 3:02But pause here on what is required to be lawful.
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3:02 - 3:04By lawful I mean just that.
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3:04 - 3:06You comply with all laws.
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3:06 - 3:11Municipal, regulatory, provincial,
federal, criminal and non criminal. -
3:11 - 3:12If you participate in a street protest
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3:12 - 3:14without a municipal permit
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3:14 - 3:16it is unlawful.
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3:16 - 3:18If you participate in a wildcat strike
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3:18 - 3:20it is unlawful.
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3:20 - 3:23The list of examples of potential unlawfulness
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3:23 - 3:26could go on for some time.
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3:26 - 3:27If you do any of this
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3:27 - 3:32you are on the right hand side
of the lawful line in my circle. -
3:32 - 3:34And so you are now in the universe
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3:34 - 3:36in which C-51
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3:36 - 3:39could begin to apply to your behaviour.
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3:39 - 3:43Under the law that creates this
undermining security of Canada concept, -
3:43 - 3:45the government may share between
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3:45 - 3:4817 different agencies and maybe more
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3:48 - 3:51information about your conduct.
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3:52 - 3:55Now we drill down a bit to another circle.
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3:55 - 3:57So within this circle
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3:57 - 4:03we include matters that could be more pernicious.
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4:03 - 4:07This is a subset of all the things that
"undermine the security of Canada". -
4:07 - 4:10Here in this second circle
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4:10 - 4:12we are talking about state powers
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4:12 - 4:16that go well beyond information sharing.
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4:16 - 4:19In this second circle I am focusing on behaviour
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4:19 - 4:23that CSIS is able to investigate under its current law.
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4:23 - 4:26CSIS is the Canadian Security Intelligence Service.
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4:26 - 4:28It is designed, at present,
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4:28 - 4:31as an intelligence gathering operation.
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4:31 - 4:34Its mandate is tied to something called
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4:34 - 4:37"threats to the security of Canada",
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4:37 - 4:41a defined term found in its own statute.
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4:41 - 4:43The concept of threats to the security of Canada
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4:43 - 4:45includes a lot of things
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4:45 - 4:46that people would mostly all agree
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4:46 - 4:48should be investigated:
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4:48 - 4:54espionage and sabotage, political violence
and terrorism, violent subversion. -
4:54 - 4:58Violence of some sort is at the core
of each of these three items. -
4:58 - 5:00But note two things:
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5:00 - 5:04First, this definition in the CSIS Act
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5:04 - 5:07isn't and never has been just about terrorism.
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5:07 - 5:11And second, this definition
also includes a fourth threat: -
5:11 - 5:15so-called foreign influenced activities.
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5:15 - 5:16And so CSIS may investigate
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5:16 - 5:18foreign influenced activities
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5:18 - 5:21that are clandestine, and viewed by the government
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5:21 - 5:25as detrimental to the interests of Canada.
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5:25 - 5:28CSIS' review body, SIRC
[Security Intelligence Review Committee], -
5:28 - 5:30was very unhappy with this concept in 1989
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5:30 - 5:32when it reviewed the CSIS act
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5:32 - 5:35and made recommendations
for that act's amendment. -
5:35 - 5:38The definition of foreign influenced activities
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5:38 - 5:42contains too much eye-of-the-beholder ambiguity.
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5:42 - 5:44SIRC critiqued this ambiguity,
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5:44 - 5:46especially the use of "clandestine",
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5:46 - 5:48which means really, simply "secret".
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5:48 - 5:50And "detrimental to the interests of Canada"
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5:50 - 5:52was also critiqued.
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5:52 - 5:54"Detrimental to the interests of Canada"
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5:54 - 5:56is whatever the government says it is.
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5:56 - 6:00If you apply this ambiguity
to democratic protest movements, -
6:00 - 6:03it is possible that the threats definition
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6:03 - 6:06covers this sort of scenario:
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6:06 - 6:08A foreign environmental foundation
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6:08 - 6:11funding a Canadian environmental groups'
secret efforts -
6:11 - 6:14to plan a protest done without proper permits
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6:14 - 6:17in opposition to the Keystone pipeline project;
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6:17 - 6:19a project that the government of Canada sees
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6:19 - 6:23as a priority and strongly in the interests of Canada.
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6:23 - 6:26Note the reference to "without permits".
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6:26 - 6:27This is added because
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6:27 - 6:32-like the "undermine" definition
that I started this discussion with- -
6:32 - 6:34the CSIS "threats" definition
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6:34 - 6:37includes an exception for lawful activities.
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6:37 - 6:39And remember what "lawful" means.
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6:39 - 6:40It means fully compliant with the law;
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6:40 - 6:43and more than simply compliance
with the criminal law. -
6:43 - 6:47It means full compliance with
regulatory and municipal rules and labour law, -
6:47 - 6:49including in relation to strikes.
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6:49 - 6:51So no wildcat strikes.
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6:51 - 6:55Or protests. No protests without city permits.
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6:55 - 7:00So what does Bill C-51 change for CSIS?
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7:00 - 7:03Well, it doesn't change this "threat" concept.
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7:03 - 7:06The circle doesn't get any bigger or smaller.
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7:06 - 7:11What it does change is what CSIS can do
in that circle. -
7:11 - 7:13Up to now it can only spy.
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7:13 - 7:16After C-51 it will be empowered
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7:16 - 7:19to take measures reducing the threat,
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7:19 - 7:21what the government calls "disruption",
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7:21 - 7:24and a power that Kent Roach and I
have called "kinetic", -
7:24 - 7:27that is, the power to do things to people and things
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7:27 - 7:28in the real world.
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7:28 - 7:31Again, remember,
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7:31 - 7:34these are powers that will apply
to all of CSIS' mandate, -
7:34 - 7:37not just its counter-terrorism activities.
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7:37 - 7:38I underscore again
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7:38 - 7:43the extent to which C-51
is about more than counter-terrorism. -
7:43 - 7:45So what are the safeguards
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7:45 - 7:48on this power of disruption?
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7:48 - 7:49Well the bill would prohibit CSIS
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7:49 - 7:51from inflicting bodily harm,
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7:51 - 7:54that is, physical or psychological injury;
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7:54 - 7:57obstructing justice, that is, interfering
with court proceedings for instance. -
7:57 - 8:00Or violating sexual integrity.
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8:00 - 8:02Anything else is permissible
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8:02 - 8:07so long as reasonable and proportional
in the circumstances. -
8:07 - 8:10But what about judicial oversight and warrants?
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8:10 - 8:14Well there has been some confusion
in the discussion of this. -
8:14 - 8:15First point:
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8:15 - 8:17CSIS will need to get a warrant
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8:17 - 8:18for its kinetic activities
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8:18 - 8:22where that conduct violates a law
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8:22 - 8:25or any of the rights
in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. -
8:25 - 8:27Up to that point,
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8:27 - 8:30up to the point where the law is violated
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8:30 - 8:31or the Charter is violated,
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8:31 - 8:34there is no requirement for a warrant.
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8:34 - 8:36So let's say CSIS wanted to do something
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8:36 - 8:39that had the effect of limiting one's ability to speak.
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8:39 - 8:42Perhaps as simple as wrecking
their internet connection. -
8:42 - 8:45Or perhaps CSIS does something
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8:45 - 8:48that hinders a citizen's ability to return to Canada.
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8:48 - 8:49Those would be Charter breaches,
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8:49 - 8:52and so CSIS would need a warrant.
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8:52 - 8:54And that might sound OK to people,
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8:54 - 8:56but it is a radical concept.
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8:56 - 8:59CSIS may come to judges asking them
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8:59 - 9:02to bless in advance constitutional breaches.
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9:02 - 9:04The proceeding will be secret.
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9:04 - 9:06Only the government will be represented.
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9:06 - 9:07There is no appeal mechanism.
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9:07 - 9:09The person affected will not know about it.
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9:09 - 9:11They may never know who caused the problems
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9:11 - 9:14that they then would encounter.
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9:14 - 9:17That's because the whole thing is covert.
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9:17 - 9:19We just have never seen anything like this
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9:19 - 9:22in Canada before.
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9:22 - 9:23Personally, I would expect judges
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9:23 - 9:26to consider all this unconstitutional,
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9:26 - 9:30and that they could never let CSIS
breach the Constitution. -
9:30 - 9:31But you and I may never know
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9:31 - 9:32because as I've said,
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9:32 - 9:34this legal question will likely
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9:34 - 9:38be decided as part of secret proceedings.
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9:38 - 9:41OK. Now it's time to drill down even further,
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9:41 - 9:42to another circle.
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9:42 - 9:44This one is even smaller.
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9:44 - 9:47This is the actual crime circle.
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9:47 - 9:50So this circle covers all the bahaviour
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9:50 - 9:52that not only would undermine
the security of Canada -
9:52 - 9:58as defined in that information sharing
statute in Bill [C-51], -
9:58 - 10:01not only would it be a threat to
the security of Canada -
10:01 - 10:03as defined in the CSIS Act,
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10:03 - 10:05but it would also be criminal.
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10:05 - 10:08Lots of crimes possibly fall in this circle,
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10:08 - 10:10but among them would definitely be
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10:10 - 10:13the terrorism offenses in the Criminal Code.
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10:13 - 10:19The Criminal Code has
a very precise definition of terrorist activity. -
10:19 - 10:22Boiled to it's essence, it means basically
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10:22 - 10:26violent conduct done for political,
religious or ideological reasons, -
10:26 - 10:29for the purpose of compelling or intimidating
a government or person -
10:29 - 10:33to do or refrain from doing something.
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10:33 - 10:36Bill C-51 does not change any of this.
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10:36 - 10:39It does not expand the definition of terrorist activity.
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10:39 - 10:41What it does instead
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10:41 - 10:45is create a new speech crime tied to this definition.
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10:45 - 10:46The government wants to jail people
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10:46 - 10:49who by speaking, writing, recording, gesturing,
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10:49 - 10:51or through other visible representations
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10:51 - 10:55knowingly advocate or promote the commission
of terrorism offenses in general, -
10:55 - 10:59while aware of the possibility
that the offenses may be committed. -
10:59 - 11:01Did you understand that?
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11:01 - 11:04Roach and I tried to explain it in 10,000 words
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11:04 - 11:06and we still aren't sure what it means.
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11:06 - 11:08This offense raises many serious issues
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11:08 - 11:11and should at best be considered
extremely concerning. -
11:11 - 11:13The scope of the new offense is not clear,
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11:13 - 11:15and the offense is sweeping
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11:15 - 11:17in the amount of speech it captures.
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11:17 - 11:20Including speech potentially far far removed
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11:20 - 11:23from actual violence.
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11:23 - 11:26I want to talk about one final feature now of C-51.
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11:26 - 11:29The concept of preventive detention
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11:29 - 11:31What are these?
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11:31 - 11:34Well, these are tools the police can use
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11:34 - 11:39to deal with people who they fear, are,
or may be implicated in terrorist activity, -
11:39 - 11:42but for whom they don't have enough
to actually bring criminal charges. -
11:42 - 11:46And so, these tools enable police to act,
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11:46 - 11:47and go after people,
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11:47 - 11:51within this zone that I've demarcated on the diagram,
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11:51 - 11:54a little further out from actual crime.
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11:55 - 11:56With peace bonds,
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11:56 - 11:59the police will be allowed to limit
the liberty of someone -
11:59 - 12:05if they have reason to believe he or she [etc] might
be about to commit a terrorism related crime. -
12:05 - 12:07With the so-called preventive detention provisions,
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12:07 - 12:09they could hold such a person
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12:09 - 12:12and detain him or her [etc] briefly, right now,
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12:12 - 12:14for a maximum of 72 hours,
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12:14 - 12:18supervised by judicial order.
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12:18 - 12:20Neither of these tools are new.
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12:20 - 12:23But preventive detention has never been used,
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12:23 - 12:26and peace bonds have been used only 6 times.
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12:26 - 12:30What C-51 does is make it easier to use these tools.
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12:30 - 12:31They can be triggered sooner,
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12:31 - 12:34when the police are even less certain
someone is dangerous. -
12:34 - 12:41And preventive detention goes from
a maximum of 72 hours, to 7 days. -
12:41 - 12:42Roach and I can imagine circumstances
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12:42 - 12:46in which such provisions become a necessary evil;
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12:46 - 12:48but we believe that this necessary evil
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12:48 - 12:50needs to be closely scrutinized,
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12:50 - 12:53and carefully constrained.
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12:53 - 12:56We will have suggestions on this front.
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12:56 - 12:58There is, however, one core virtue
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12:58 - 13:04to this regime, as compared
to the CSIS powers that I've described. -
13:04 - 13:07All of this preventive detention
and peace bond activity -
13:07 - 13:09will be done in open court,
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13:09 - 13:11and with reference to terrorist offences that
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13:11 - 13:12-whatever their breadth-
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13:12 - 13:17do not reach as far as the CSIS circle does.
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13:17 - 13:19So there you have it.
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13:19 - 13:22Basically, C-51, not quite in a nutshell,
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13:22 - 13:24but as close as I can make it.
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13:24 - 13:25If you want more details,
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13:25 - 13:28I will produce a lengthier video;
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13:28 - 13:33and see also our writing on
www.antiterrorlaw.ca -
13:33 - 13:34Thank you.
- Title:
- Bill C-51 (Antiterrorism Act 2015): Short Primer on Key Aspects
- Description:
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"A short 15 min primer on the more controversial aspects of C-51, the Canadian governments proposed "anti-terror" law. If you have 15 minutes to figure this bill out, I hope this helps. For those who want more details, I will produce a more detailed version next week.
My discussion relates to the bill as it exists at 2d reading in the House of Commons, Feb 18, 2015.
(In a two spots, I misspoke and say C-59. I am always referring to to C-51.)Detailed backgrounders can be found at www.antiterrorlaw.ca
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