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← No Digital Facelifts: Thinking the Unthinkable About Open Educational Experiences

Gardner Campbell, Baylor University
Jim Groom, University of Mary Washington

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Showing Revision 4 created 01/20/2011 by Barbara Dieu.

  1. For the session this afternoon

  2. I have the distinct pleasure
  3. To introduce two of my good friends
  4. Gardner Campbell, from Baylor University
  5. and Jim Groom from the University of Mary Washington.
  6. They require absolutely no introduction beyond that.
  7. That's why we'll let them get on with the show, so
  8. please help me welcome these two guys
  9. Thank you, Cole
  10. Thanks everybody for being here after lunch
  11. This is always the great deadly zone
  12. where your blood sugar and my blood sugar
  13. the biochemistry, the neurons
  14. but we're going to force through this
  15. we're going to make it
  16. I have a good feeling about this
  17. every presentation I've been in
  18. has something very striking in it for me
  19. sometimes it has been ideas
  20. sometimes it's the level of innovation
  21. just the sheer energy of innovation
  22. sometimes it's a little more close to the bone
  23. the session that Leigh Blackall did
  24. I don't know if he's in here now
  25. but the session he did before lunch
  26. really struck me with the sense of frustration
  27. that I feel...a lot...maybe you do...
  28. that we live in an age of marvels and wonders
  29. that don't seem to be making
  30. a substantial difference
  31. in the most serious activities
  32. we engage in as human beings:
  33. Education
  34. There are a lot of reasons why that's no-one's fault
  35. There are a lot of reasons why that's everyone's fault
  36. and there's a lot of people
  37. we can point at and blame
  38. sometimes justifiably so
  39. but rather than round up the usual suspects
  40. I have this sense of
  41. What a waste!
  42. Why is this not happening?
  43. We've had the Internet
  44. We've had computers
  45. We've had all these amazing conversations
  46. at conferences like this
  47. about the possibilities
  48. Is this making a difference?
  49. I mean we can say:
  50. Sure, we have success stories
  51. but we keep thinking
  52. when does the tide turn?
  53. when do we get to the place
  54. where we can say
  55. Yeah, we're on the upswing
  56. Clay Shirky in 2008 wrote:
  57. " We are living in the middle of
  58. the largest increase in expressive capability
  59. in the history of the human race."
  60. I think that's true
  61. except that probably we're at the beginning
  62. and not the middle.
  63. But this increase in expressive capability
  64. and the history of the human race
  65. ought to be the abiding
  66. transforming concern of all education.
  67. Higher Education is the place
  68. where we train people to be able
  69. to take advantage of this to the fullest
  70. and surprise us with things we have not discovered
  71. about what this can mean
  72. but whatever it means
  73. we may disagree about what it means
  74. Look at that!
  75. I believe that that is true
  76. It makes me do what I do
  77. and yet it is as if
  78. day after day
  79. I sa: " I have a bag of gold.
  80. Would you like a bag of gold?"
  81. and people say:
  82. "Where do you find time for bags of gold?"
  83. "Oh, no ..another currency to master."
  84. "Gold, is that sustainable?"
  85. Like: "No, you spend it..."
  86. Well..."What would you spend it on?"
  87. "What would you like to spend it on?"
  88. "I don't have time for your philosophical questions, Gardner".
  89. It's a bag of gold
  90. What part of that do you not understand?
  91. I love this
  92. This is the Cortex A9,
  93. a chip that is in production,
  94. and I'm afraid that the audio here
  95. is not going to be sufficiently loud
  96. so I'll just tell you what Adrian Cockcroft says
  97. but if you really wanna to get the full spooky ride
  98. go to the IT conversations podcast.
  99. Have any of you heard him talk about Millicomputing?
  100. He defines millicomputing as a computer
  101. that consumes less than one watt
  102. and it'll fit in your pocket
  103. and it will not burn your leg
  104. This chip is in production
  105. It will appear in devices probably the next year or so.
  106. It has four graphical processing units
  107. each of which independently can process
  108. a full H.264 high definition stream
  109. and coding, decoding
  110. He talks about the way we're not going to carry
  111. computers in our pockets.
  112. We're going to carry web servers
  113. in our pockets
  114. we're going to walk in to a context
  115. and wirelessly link-up
  116. with the things we want to do in that context.
  117. There's usually where I stop
  118. when I play this for faculty
  119. because the next part is even spookier
  120. in which he talks about the way these milling computers
  121. will allow us to be in constant contact
  122. with a society of avatars and a virtual world
  123. who will be able to,
  124. because of our wearable computing,
  125. to tap us on the shoulder
  126. and have a conversation with us
  127. while we are here in real space as well.
  128. Now to me that can be a real bag of gold
  129. or maybe we don't have time to
  130. amplify our beings that way
  131. I'm not going to say this is going to be easy
  132. or that's not going to have problems
  133. or be fraught or spun a whole new wave of
  134. milling cyber computing crime.
  135. But if it's going to happen
  136. and there are great possibilities it will
  137. why doesn't it make a difference?
  138. why hasn't that made people
  139. stop and say
  140. I guess I could recapture a sense of wonder
  141. under these circumstances
  142. What do we believe?
  143. "Today's technologies and their consequent environments
  144. succeed each other so rapidly
  145. that one environment makes us aware of the next.
  146. Technologies begin to perform the function of art
  147. in making us aware of the psychic
  148. and social consequences of technology...
  149. We are entering the new age of education
  150. that is programmed for discovery
  151. rather than instruction."
  152. We could, especially if we were an English faculty,
  153. wordsmith this
  154. tinker with it
  155. if this were a faculty senate, it would not get out of committee.
  156. Probably we all believe some variety of that
  157. some version of that
  158. or to put it another way from the Renaissance,
  159. which is my favourite place to hang out
  160. in the virtual space in my head
  161. it's like the Music of the Spheres
  162. in Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice
  163. the young Lorenzo woos his sweetheart
  164. with talk of the stars
  165. Is that scalable?
  166. Well, never mind.
  167. "There's not the smallest orb which thou behold'st
  168. But in his motion like an angel sings,
  169. Still quiring to the young-eyed cherubins;
  170. Such harmony is in immortal souls,
  171. But whilst this muddy vesture of decay
  172. Doth grossly close it in, we cannot hear it."
  173. Melvyn Bragg , In Our Time,
  174. in the episode of Music of the Spheres
  175. "This is the music of the spheres
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    the idea that the stars and planets
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    as they travel through space
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    make beautiful music together
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    The Music of the Spheres
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    played out of the classical world
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    to the Medieval period
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    and into the Renaissance
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    it affords us a glimpse into minds
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    for whom the Universe
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    was full of meaning
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    of strange correspondences
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    and grand harmonies
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    I would like to graduate
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    a generation of students
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    who will help ME here
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    to strange correspondences and grand harmonies
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    that I have not yet imagined
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    that's what I'm in it for
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    But oh well,
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    how you are going to protect privacy?
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    This is a time of wonders
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    Usually the printing press is introduced as an example
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    of a disruptive technology
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    on the order of what we're seeing now.
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    No small disruption
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    The printing press started wars
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    overturned religious orthodoxy
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    The printing press meant that any fool
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    with a piece of machinery
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    could say anything
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    and how would you know?
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    Well, I think that the disruption is on a bigger scale
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    I think that the disruption we're witnessing today
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    is the disruption on the scale
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    of the development of the written alphabet
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    of the phonetic alphabet
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    This was a huge deal
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    This was a technology invented to communicate
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    with the Dead
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    so it's not like a tool
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    it's a meta tool
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    it's an alphabet
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    What will I say with that?
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    What do you want to say?
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    I don't know...
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    just tell me what you want me to write
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    It's a great book
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    Marianne Wolf, Proust and the Squid.
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    She talks about the science of the reading brain.
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    the fact that learning to read
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    is something we do deliberately
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    to re-arrange our minds
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    We make new connections
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    among the various perceptual centers in our brains
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    that are not programmed in there
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    we seem to have a speech center
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    as part of our revolved neuro anathomy
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    but not a reading center
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    we have to do things that do not happen naturally
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    but once we do those things
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    we find...
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    a bag of gold
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    Clay Shirky wrote a blog post
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    that really rocked me back on my heels
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    back in March, on Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable
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    did anyone of you see that blog post?
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    Yeah..he talks about the ways in which newspapers
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    essentially played Nearer my God to thee in the Titanic
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    and they thought they could nibble at the edges
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    because nibbling at the edges
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    well, you know you don't have to take a big bite
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    you don't have to worry of indigestion
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    you don't have to worry about anything
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    you just take a little nibble
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    well, newspapers were nibbling at the edges
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    in the 1990's
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    they stopped being a viable business model
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    this is Shirky's argument
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    his argument is not that journalism will go away
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    but that the coincidence of journalism and newspapers
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    was historically conditioned
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    and can go away historically
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    but the newspaper folks
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    like the professors, maybe like the edtech folks
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    maybe like any of us in the room
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    tend to believe that we're in the domain
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    because we're in the best of all possible domains
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    this is the way it has to be
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    not so much
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    and Shirky coined the term
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    which really scared me to death
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    "the digital facelift"
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    for what newspapers try to do
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    we'll just do what we did before
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    but we'll put it on the web
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    but it'll be what we had before
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    we'll have some hyperlinks
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    but it'll be what we did before, etc...
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    "The Digital Facelift"
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    Can that stand up against
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    these items of belief?
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    "As the means of input increase,
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    so does the need for insight or pattern recognition
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    your mileage may vary
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    I think that's true
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    The school drop-out situation
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    will get very much worse
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    because of the frustration
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    of the student need for participation
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    in the learning process
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    which is not a new need
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    but it's a need
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    that had to take some pretty distorted forms
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    during the industrial age
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    as we tried to figure out scaling
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    and sustainability
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    we did the best we could
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    but if we find that maybe
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    that's not the way to go forward
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    change has to happen
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    but it's not happening yet
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    instead we're getting the digital facelift
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    Now, I have to tell you first of all
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    this is from Brazil,
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    a film by Terry Gillian,
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    which I saw for the first time
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    when it came out
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    and I saw again it
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    it's probably ten or so years since I've seen it
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    but under the intoxicating effect
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    of the Reverend
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    I knew I would have to make a pilgrimage to see Brazil again.
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    and I found that it told the story
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    of my life today, maybe yours
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    Here's the thing that I didn't remember
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    about this scene
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    She is loving this experience
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    To us it looks grotesque
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    to her...well..she's getting off
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    She has multiple opportunities
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    to continue to examine
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    her increasingly grotesque self
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    in the pursuit of an illusion
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    and she's deriving intense pleasure from it
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    because see how it's framed
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    this is great!
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    What I'm doing to you is
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    I stretch your features out of recognition is great
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    in this digital facelift you look marvelous
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    You can't see it because of the light
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    but he's got these clips
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    he's holding her face back with
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    this is where she really gets excited
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    and finally to make sure it stays the way it should
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    he puts surround wrap around it.
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    I assure you there are no further problems
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    that digital facelift.
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    Problem solved
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    or perhaps the digital facelift
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    is like this poor lady in Brazil
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    who has immense faith in her doctor
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    who is a maverick
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    He's an innovator
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    He doesn't go along with the flow
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    He has a special chemical process.
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    Now it's taking a little while
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    as she is very delicately skinned
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    so her results are not coming out exactly
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    the way she had imagined
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    Notice the lovely seepage
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    around the bandages
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    the eye V
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    the fact that she is now in a wheel chair
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    some kind of support for her chin
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    she's not in very good shape
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    but she's hanging in
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    she's a believer
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    maybe she's got the wrong guru
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    because eventually this is what happens
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    with her digital facelift
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    they have a memorial service for her
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    it's a relatively gruesome affair
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    because that's what's happened
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    in the end
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    it's just coming apart
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    it's a nightmare
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    I'm not saying that the LMS will necessarily
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    get us to this
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    I'm just saying
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    So what do we do instead of having digital facelifts?
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    I propose three recursive practices
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    These practices feed on each other
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    They're what we do in education anyway
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    but they can amplified
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    by information and communication technologies.
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    One is narrating
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    having the students
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    having the teachers
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    that's the real trouble
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    thinking aloud
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    willing to tell the story
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    of the process of the learning
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    of the investigation
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    you could call it blogging
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    how do you take care of your stuff
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    not to protect it
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    not to even make sure you can transcode it
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    those things are important
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    but how do you arrange it
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    for the people who will come to see it?
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    for yourself as you contemplate it
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    Now as scholars
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    we're pretty used to the idea of curation
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    and this has to do with dissertations
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    and scholarly articles and so forth
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    Many students in my opinion come to college
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    believing they have nothing to curate
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    and they will generate nothing to curate
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    during their time in school.
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    They'll have transactional exchanges
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    with professors who mark their work
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    and those pieces of paper get put in a box
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    I'd like students to think
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    that they began their life's work
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    when they come to school
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    and finally sharing
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    Now that I have done it
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    Now that I've arranged it
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    Now that I've thought about it
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    I'm going to put it out there
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    because it may be valuable to someone
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    because I may find the unmet friend
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    because as it was said
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    so memorably by John Todd in his presentation
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    "Meaning happens when the two people connect"
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    Very important
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    Much of the way education is set up
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    militates against each of these
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    let alone all of them together
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    and yet we all know
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    that one of the great things
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    about the technologies that we use
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    these information and communication technologies
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    is that they not only allow these things
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    they amplify them, they augment them
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    they turn them up to eleven
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    they make that feedback happen
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    and when I try to explain this to my students
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    I inevitably go to Jimmy Hendrix
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    playing the Star Spangled Banner
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    at Woodstock
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    and they say: "Why are you showing us this?"
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    and I say:
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    Because he knows how to control feedback
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    He knows how to play feedback
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    and that's what you need to know
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    The effects that get unleashed
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    in this recursive practice
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    I think are most powerful
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    on the open web
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    using Web 2.0 affordances
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    or whatever the web is going to be
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    as it goes forward
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    because the Web is not just a platform
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    for these things
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    it is the natural outgrowth of our desire
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    for these things
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    That makes the web itself recursive
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    And students have an intimation of that
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    you know,
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    they have a feeling about that
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    from their own use of social media
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    but they think that's somehow
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    I don't know
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    that couldn't be right
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    and they get to college and they find
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    that no, that really isn't right
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    we have a template for you, young man
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    but I think their intimations are correct
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    so what's the answer
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    I don't have it
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    however, here's a framework
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    for thinking about what...
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    this is what I use when I try to dream
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    as big as I can
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    I try to think about
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    helping students understand cyberinfrastructure
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    and how to build one for themselves
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    to be able to be architects of their own digital lives
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    which will mean as we go forward
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    that they need to be worrying about
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    the things we worry about
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    but productively together
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    narrating, curating, sharing
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    This is a definition of cyberinfrastructure
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    from the American Council of Learned Societies
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    in their report on cyberinfrastructure
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    called "Our Cultural Commonwealth"
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    Cyberinfrastructure is something more specific
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    than the network itself,
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    but it is something more general than a tool
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    or a resource developed for a particular project,
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    a range of projects, or, even more broadly,
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    for a particular discipline."
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    That's the sweet spot
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    It's not just the network
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    it's more specific than that
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    yet it's not so specific
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    that it's simply the tool you use
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    for a particular project or a domain
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    Something like an alphabet
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    Anybody here play Little Big Planet?
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    Little Big Planet people raise your hands.
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    OK, good
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    Little Big Planet people grab into the little sponge
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    Little Big Planet is a game done
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    by a company called Mollecule
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    for the Sony Playstation 3
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    So it's commercial
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    it's proprietary, etc...
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    That said, Little Big Planet is not the only game
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    to build authoring tools into the game
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    but it's one of the most conspicuously successful
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    at doing this
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    so when you buy Little Big Planet
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    you buy the game
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    and within the game
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    the tools to make more levels for that game
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    in other words
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    you're able to be within that environment
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    and be both a participant
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    and a producer if you choose to be
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    when you make the new levels
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    you can upload them
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    to the media Mollecule server
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    Oh yes,
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    they're getting great business advantage from this
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    but look at the way they're framing it.
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    You upload it to the server
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    then people can find you by author's name
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    they can find you by ranking
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    you can tag them
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    ingenious, fun, creepy, boring, brilliant, wow
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    you can favourite the ones you like best
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    in about a year and a half
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    one million levels
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    have been uploaded
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    to the Little Big Planet server
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    at Media Mollecule
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    one million
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    let's say that the Theodore Sturgeon's Law is true
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    90%of them are piffle
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    there are still 100.000
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    and because my son is very patient with me
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    as a learner
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    though I am slow
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    the bonds of love mean that
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    he's going to be there for me
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    he has taken me through
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    some of these user-generated levels
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    and you know
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    they're really diverse
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    and they're really cool
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    and they're really interesting
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    they're examples of an outpouring of creativity
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    in what James Gee calls "the producerly mode"
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    in a subdomain of a larger domain
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    you could call it undergraduate research
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    you could call it service learning
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    you could call it situated cognition
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    you can call it any number of things
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    it's cool
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    it's fun
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    it's work
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    it involves the whole person
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    there's gotta be a way
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    that we can make it happen in education
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    more consistently than it does
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    or at least to think about it in these terms
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    so kids don't lose hope
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    Here's a Little Big Planet
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    It's the graphical user interface
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    called cPannel
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    for the hosting service
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    at Bluehost
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    which is where I've got my stuff
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    and my stuff is there
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    I have backups of my stuff
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    you know, I trust no-one
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    be a little skeptical
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    and yet I'm committed
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    Here are the things I can do with
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    the graphical user interface
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    at the level of systems administrator
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    or someone who plays one
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    through a GUI
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    Here are the things that I need to think about
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    Now look at this
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    this allows me to be producerly at the level of the server
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    for my own digital life.
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    There's a getting started wizard
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    okay that's fine
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    I need to know about changing passwords
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    I know sometimes my students think about
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    changing languages
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    that would be really cool, etcetera
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    email, managing your own email
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    you can have a thousand, two thousand email boxes in here
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    your file system
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    they've got to know about that
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    these are not terribly difficult things
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    but they are important
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    and taken as a system
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    they become more important
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    I like my students to have a digital presence
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    where they can track who comes to see them
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    it's an important part of the narrating, curating and sharing
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    and it can all be automated of course
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    and you've got a choice among several
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    security - we'd want our students to think about that, right?
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    but I'd want them to think about it as digital citizens
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    architects of their own cyberspace
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    not as people who have to find the website
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    that tells them what safe computing is all about
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    at our school
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    That should go without saying
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    because they're thinking about this already
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    They're going to have multiple domains
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    or they should.
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    Data Literacy is vital
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    Can they have a nodding acquaintance with databases?
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    and then the software down here
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    this is kind of interesting
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    software and services
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    one click: which blogging platform would you like?
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    try out several
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    groupware, livechat, utilities, content management,
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    client management
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    do we have to do all of those?
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    Do they have to read all the books in the library?
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    Do they have to take all the courses in the catalogue?
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    Why do we have more there?
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    To amplify the possibilities
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    To give them some room to roam
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    Some room for discovery
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    A place to play
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    I mean, those of you who've heard
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    either Jim or me or Martha Burgess talk about
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    The Bluehost Experiment
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    in Washington
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    where we essentially let the staff loose in this environment
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    This is the next step for that
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    in my Little Big Planet
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    put the students in this kind of sandbox
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    let them play, let them innovate, let them discover
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    what if you give it to 4000 students
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    and there are only 100 works of staggering genius emerging
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    oh well, that would be ok
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    more scripts, e-commerce
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    marketing, photo galleries
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    webmails, website builders
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    a couple of wikis
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    and you can get in there and install your own
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    they don't have a one click install for me wiki
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    which is a regrettable omission but
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    you can get in there
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    that's pretty outlandish
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    when we were South by Southwest
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    somebody very some high I'd say
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    at the end of the presentation said:
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    Are you saying that our students
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    need to be system administrators?
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    and I thought about it
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    and my first impulse was:
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    Oh No, not at all..that would be extreme
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    and than I thought twice and said
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    Yes, actually that is what I want them to be
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    system administrators
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    if it is easy enough to do
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    which the graphical front makes it
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    and if system is understood
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    not just as a particular installation
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    but as a metaphor for their digital lives
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    they'll have to be system administrators
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    for their digital lives
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    what are they going to do when they graduate?
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    what are they going to do when
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    they're raising children?
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    None of this is going to roll back as we move forward
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    Every book will be digitized
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    Every journal will be digitized
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    That's a good thing potentially
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    but only if people are able to think about this
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    in this personal way
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    "When radar was new it was found necessary
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    to eliminate the balloon system for city protection
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    that had preceded the radar.
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    The balloons got in the way of the electric feedback
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    of the new radar information.
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    Do you get that?
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    The advanced defensive capability
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    was stymied by the old defensive capability
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    Such may well prove to be the case with much
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    of our existing school curriculum...
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    I think that's true
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    Let's talk about openess a little bit
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    What does it mean to be open?
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    When we talk about openess we usually think
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    to be open to the world
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    Everyboy can see it
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    That's where you're going to be exposed to
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    the most massive network effects
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    So I like this, obviously
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    I think a lot of us here do
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    although there have been
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    some really good interrogations of the idea
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    but there are other levels of openness as well
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    or to put it another way
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    places that are closed where we can't see
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    the things are closed
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    What about being open to each other in a learning community?
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    What about the teacher to the learner?
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    and the learners open to each other?
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    To what extent does the Blackboard discussion forum
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    make the participants actually open to each other
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    To what extent are learners
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    ready to talk about their vulnerabilities to the teacher
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    and oh, maybe they're not willing to do that
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    because the teacher is not willing
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    to talk about his or her vulnerabilities to the learner
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    Vulnerabilities are fine
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    That's actually where the learning happens
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    To know as we are known requires identity markers
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    this is a non-trivial factor
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    Any adult that says this is a trivial factor
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    has forgotten what is was like to decorate a locker
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    or is denying the fact that they actually agonized
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    over the choice of the Welcome mat for their front door
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    These are non-trivial factors
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    and finally open to ourselves
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    To what extent do the learning experiences
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    we co-create or impose
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    open us up to self-awareness or meta-cognition
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    The thing about the personal cyberinfrastructure
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    is that once the students have begun to build it
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    it can then be the object of
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    narration, curation and sharing itself
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    at a meta level
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    let's get together and talk about
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    the cyberinfrastructure you built
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    why did you build it that way?
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    what does that represent about you as a learner?
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    or as an architect?
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    what the one I built?
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    what if we modularize
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    and start swapping it among ourselves?
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    like levels of a game.
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    where we can rank the efficacy of the various modules
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    we built on our own and together
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    then you learn something about yourself
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    that would be ok
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    This is a discussion forum in Blackboard
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    it looks like email
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    Why does it look like email?
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    That's a rethorical question.
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    It's perfectly transactional
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    It moves data from one point to another
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    The trouble is that's not a learning community
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    Where's the decorated locker?
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    Where's the doodle on the notebook?
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    Where's the marker of identity?
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    Well, it's here.
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    one click install
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    from cPannel
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    Oh, you can have an avatar
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    Oh, you can choose a username
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    Oh you can have a SIG file
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    a non-trivial marker of identity
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    it looks nicer
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    oh yeah, this post was Wednesday January 16th 2008
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    January 18th 2008 while the class was going on
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    that forum kept active for about 6 months
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    after the class was over
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    I set it up but I did not choose the templates
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    for their expressions of themselves
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    and their identity in that space
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    there was enough openness
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    that they could decorate their lockers
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    some of the forum belonged to them
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    Well, that was kind of interesting
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    This thread belonged to them too, BTW
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    but that's another story
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    What do we believe?
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    "The aspiration of our times for
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    wholeness, empathy and depth of awareness
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    is a natural adjunct of electric technology...
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    The mark of our time is its revulsion
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    against imposed patterns.
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    We are suddenly eager to have things
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    and people declare their beings totally.
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    There is a deep faith to be found
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    in this new attitude
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    - a faith that concerns
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    the ultimate harmony of all being."
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    Strikes you as Utopian?
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    Strikes you as over-stated?
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    Is it the Music of the Spheres?
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    I think some kind of faith
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    Something like this underlies education
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    Unless we think we are just training Pavlov's dogs
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    We want people
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    who will find those strange correspondences
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    and make them audible
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    to each other and to us
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    Can a personal cyberinfrastructure do it?
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    I don't know
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    I've never got any chance to try that out
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    I know what happened
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    when the staff did it at Mary Washington
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    It was not uniform
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    and the story that doesn't usually get told
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    is that it took 2 1/2 years
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    of kicking, screaming, biting (that's a metaphor)
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    There was actually some screaming
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    of people saying:
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    How many minutes a day
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    do you want me to blog, Gardner?"
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    I got that, absolutely
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    I had to bite my tongue because
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    I was about to say
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    You know, I get that questions from my students a lot
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    but that would've been bad
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    that would've been very, very bad
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    but it's the same idea, it's like
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    Can I turn this into a transaction yet?
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    Can I make this job into just a job of work?
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    and you know, beneath all of that
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    there are all sorts of anxieties
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    they may be principle resistances
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    there could be a lot of things
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    so there was a long way to get there
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    but when we got there
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    well, we got there
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    and there are five more
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    sent back
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    who got there too
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    Perfect? No
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    Decisively different? Yeah
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    So is this our default?
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    Is this critical thinking?
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    I don't know
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    We live in a risky, dangerous environment
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    full of people who are trying to manipulate us
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    and pick our pockets
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    That's undeniably true
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    It is true that people acting in what they will say
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    will be your best interest.
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    so hoping that at some point
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    Stockholm syndrome kicks in
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    you identify with your capturers and go willingly
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    enjoying the digital facelift or whatever it is
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    but this for me can't be the default
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    and part of why it's so exciting
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    for me to be at this conference
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    is that there is another way to think about this
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    there's another way to think about confidence
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    Maybe narrating, curating and sharing
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    breeds confidence
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    "Western man acquired from the technology of literacy
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    the power to act without reacting...
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    Not a bad thing
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    as the write points out
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    it's important that the surgeon
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    not be overwhelmed when performing the surgery
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    In the electric age
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    when our central nervous system
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    is technologically extended to involve us
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    in the whole of mankind
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    and to incorporate the whole mankind in us,
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    (and make that human kind)
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    we necessarily participate, in depth,
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    in the consequences of our every action
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    That's what we all fear,
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    its what we all long for, I think.
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    that's somehow even the small things
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    can be meaningful
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    Anybody who watches a Twitter stream
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    in, during and on election,
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    wants to feel this way
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    It is no longer possible to adopt the aloof
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    and dissociated role of the literate Westerner
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    Overstated? Sure
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    Extreme? Maybe.
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    Aloof and dissociated role of the literate professor
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    Such is the faith in which this book was written
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    It explores the contours of our own extended beings
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    and our tecnologies
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    seeking the principle of intelligibility in each of them.
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    For me the idea of the personal cyberinfrastructure
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    is about the search of the principle of intelligibility
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    in our technologies
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    What the personal infrastructure would be
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    is a representation.
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    A creative representation
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    of that intelligibility
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    maybe of that search as well
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    In the full confidence that it is possible
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    to win an understanding of these forms
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    that will bring them into orderly service
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    I've looked at them anew
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    accepting very little of the conventional wisdom
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    concerning them."
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    I'm glad that a Canadian did that.
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    Aside from Clay Shirky,
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    the quotations I read
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    were from Marshall Mc Luhan
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    in Understanding Media, 1964.
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    I don't know what you knew about Marshall Mc Luhan
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    when you were going through school
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    what I knew about him was
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    how he had a cameo in any hall.
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    I was cheated in my education
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    Along with some genuinely bizarre things
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    there were genuinelly prophetic things
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    in this book
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    and I think they aligned very well
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    with some of the sense of urgency
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    and some of the scope of ambition
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    that we all feel,
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    that we all share
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    at a conference like this
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    The personal cyberinfrastructure
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    may not be the only way to learn this alphabet
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    but I'd like to try sometime.
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    Rather than bore you with any of my details
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    let's not lose some of this thread to this
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    does anyone have any questions for Gardner?
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    Yes, please
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    So I was wondering
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    some of the examples of software that you
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    that's easily installed that you provided
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    are forums and things like that
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    if everybody has their own
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    some of these become more useful in agreggate, right?
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    so, have you thought about sort of
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    certain things being sort of you know,
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    individual elements of a presence in cyber insfrastructure
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    others aggregating or working across federation
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    Excellent question
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    In my dream world the student...
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    Bryan Alexander is a champion
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    I do not want your bread right now
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    but when you are well again, I'd like it
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    So the idea would be
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    the student's Baker Club gets together
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    and they talk about how they're going to organize
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    and of course something is going to be online
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    because it needs to be
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    because of these affordances
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    One student says:
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    I could put a phpbb forum
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    Another student says
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    Yeah, and actually did you know
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    there was this add on?
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    and then as a group they agree
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    1) it would be better to have one forum
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    rather than multiple forums
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    2) they aggregate their knowledge about
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    what would be the best instance of that
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    3) they put it together
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    and by doing that
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    the lights will go out,
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    the tables will rise
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    we will join hands and sing
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    In doing that
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    what they will be doing is discussing
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    a particular scripting affordance on a server
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    but they will be doing it strategically,
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    in terms of communication needs
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    and organizational excellence
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    Doing something other than on a surface level
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    That's the one of the way I imagine it , yeah
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    to a certain degree, yeah
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    in my experience IT departments
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    will not have thought in a sophisticated way
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    about how a blog or a discussion forum differ
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    or how they may be able to shape
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    student communication
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    and that's okay in a way
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    as long as they don't prescribe the tools
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    or limit the tools
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    I have an IT department at
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    and they're very good at keeping, you know,
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    things up to date and the backups
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    they're usually very good at that
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    and so forth
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    that's their work
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    but what they have done is to provide me affordances
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    that I can explore
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    so, yeah, I mean I think there is
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    ideally there would be some interest
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    in the rhetorical questions in the IT shop
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    and by building a cyber infrastructure
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    the students would begin to understand
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    something of what goes on mechanically as well
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    there would be a greater opportunity for conversation
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    you know, I think it would be ok
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    if the students made something that broke
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    They would learn from that, I think
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    I also think that
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    building on what Gardner said
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    as a response to your question
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    that the actual cyber infrastructure
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    as posed by an individual, a domain and a space
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    allows IT departments
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    to re-imagine this question
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    of aggregating, syndicating information
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    as it is happening
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    around space
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    so it does not mean like
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    the IT department disappears, or somehow the enemy
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    but it allows them to re-imagine this notion of flow
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    and this kind of property of electricity
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    that McLuhan is talking about so beautifully
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    and if we are talking about electricity and flow
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    we're talking about a new property
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    by which we can start to imagine space
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    through the students having their own
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    and so IT departments
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    should be as much excited about
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    the possibilities for this
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    rather than an age old against them
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    it's not, I mean
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    it's a kind of matter of us working together
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    to re-imagine the space
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    and I think that's why the immediate call back to that
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    doesn't capture, I think
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    what that model sets up
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    as a notion and a mode of aggregation
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    to kind of build into the syndication
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    You have your own cyber infrastructure
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    and then you re-imagine it
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    and then IT department think about
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    what that means
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    right, and
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    Great talk. I'm reminded of Larry Cuban's book
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    Teachers and Machines
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    which sort of talks about resistance
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    that the educational system has
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    to introductions of technology
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    and changing actual educational practice
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    wondering if you might comment on
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    your thoughts about how
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    the open educational resources movement
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    might make a difference
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    in overcoming that structural resistance
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    and well, this kind of loops into the IT question as well
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    it's very easy to paint faculty as stodgy
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    faculty as vilains
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    and sometimes it's true
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    and you know it's easy to say that IT is
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    the enemy because they can't think outside the box
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    sometimes it's true, you know
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    but there are plenty of people in both domains
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    who, if they are able to see compelling examples
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    of fresh thinking
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    will say wow..that's cool
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    I'd like to do that
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    I think that would have addressed
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    what I was thinking about with my students
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    just last semester
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    that would have gotten me past this point
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    where I wasn't able to get them
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    to read carefully
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    before they come to class
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    but that
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    and this is one of the great sorrows for me
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    as a faculty member
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    with regard to Learning Management Systems
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    aside from all the other sorrows
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    I can't see what my colleagues are doing
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    and I mean seeing it on the Web
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    so I can look at it carefully
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    and speak to them intelligently about it
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    Why did you design it that way?
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    What did you learn from it?
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    And I think the same thing is true for IT folks
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    when they go to..I've been to some IT conferences
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    and , you know, a lot of times
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    what they are hearing about
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    are anecdotes of spectacular catastrophes
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    or whatever
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    but you're not able to actually...
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    and there may be some good reasons for this
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    to some extent
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    but they're not able to see
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    dazzling examples of innovation
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    in a very easy and accessible way
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    so I think that open educational resources
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    is a lot more than about exposing content
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    it's about exposing these compelling examples
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    of other ways to do it
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    it's like being able to see multiple
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    performances of Shakespeare
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    Oh..never thought of reading the line that way
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    so the play transforms
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    I don't know if that answers your question
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    but, yeah...ok
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    So Gardner, is it too late for them to become curators
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    once they get into Higher Education
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    So, you know, cPannel for me
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    I could do that..I'm an IT guy
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    I think I think critically about affordances
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    but at the same time
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    is it too late?
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    I daughter's eight
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    she has a blog, domain of her own
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    shouldn't be starting there?
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    we get them for four years here, right?
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    maybe seven
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    how do we drop down?
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    somebody said it's too late...too late
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    I mean I don't know what that idea
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    of what too late means
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    I mean we're always in midias res with this stuff
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    we're always coming into it and imagining it
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    and Gardner, to refine Gardner,
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    in that whole of the IT is like
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    so many people that I have talked about it
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    and inspired back are right here at UBC
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    Andrew who is coming from an IT perspective
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    was just blowing my mind again and again
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    and Scott Mc Millan, I mean
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    These are people who are in that space
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    who are seeing these examples
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    and you're kind of rip and remixing it
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    from this space to kind of think about
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    wow, we can actually play with these modes
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    and re-imagine them
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    and I think, wouldn't students also experience that?
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    at any given point in that kind of narrative?
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    excuse me, how much further we would be pushed, right
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    in the academy, if our students were coming to us
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    thinking critically about it?
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    Yeah, that's right
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    so there are a couple of things I want to say
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    in response to that
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    One is that there is
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    a developmental aspect in education,
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    which is fine with me
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    What it means is that
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    at every point along the learning continuum
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    it will be advantageous for
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    a mentor, a guide, an expert, a teacher
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    to be there to coach the student
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    to their zone of proximal development
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    that's fine
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    another way to say that is
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    that I do not believe that students will make
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    automatically on their own
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    to their own innate drive for self-improvement
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    all the best, you know, choices
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    I think there is a role for teaching
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    Now, there's also the developmental capacity
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    of the human mind, you know
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    kids at a certain age are able to distinguish
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    like varying levels of volume
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    and different sizes of containers
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    and at an earlier age, they're not able to
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    so something actually happens in the brain
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    that makes that next thing kick in
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    ahm, so there's always going to be
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    it seems to me
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    some way in which
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    the particular developmental moment
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    will impose certain kinds of constraints
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    That said and if anybody knows about
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    Jerome Bruner's idea of the spiral curriculum
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    that's where it comes from
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    there's an authentic version of any concept
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    that can be taught to any child
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    who can read and write
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    you pitch it to the appropriate level of development
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    and you keep coming back to it
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    spiralling upward and upward and upward
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    until that magic hand off moment
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    which I think often happens and should happen
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    in the upper grades of high school
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    if it doesn't happen till college
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    it's still not too late
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    it's part of the great jolt I got when I got to college
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    I felt like they had handed the spiral to me
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    it's like okay - we've brought you around
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    we've brought you around, we've brought you around
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    it's your spiral now, you know,
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    keep finding the level of the concept
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    that gets you to the next spot
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    Be your own coach to your own zone
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    of proximal development
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    and this is something I left out
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    and I should put before you before we're done
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    This won't work until it's built into the curriculum
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    I don't want you to think that what I'm proposing
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    is that kids just get assigned these web spaces
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    and that's it and that they will magically
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    through tinkering come up with good stuff
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    This would be an amazing meeting ground
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    for digital experts in the discipline
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    librarians, advisors, student life people, edtech folks
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    instructional designers
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    Can you imagine?
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    My feeling is students would come in
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    and their whole first year experience
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    would be digital fluency
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    by means of building out
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    this personal cyber infrastructure
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    the first iteration of it
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    then at the end of your first year
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    let's have a ceremony
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    let's have a party
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    pick the domain that's going to be your domain
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    for the next three years
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    and make a decision there
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    it's all coming of age
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    it's an occasion
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    you have to have these rites of passage
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    but for that whole first year
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    they're thinking about narrating, curating and sharing
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    for the rest of their lives as learners
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    and I think it could be pretty neat
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    you know, a pretty interesting thing to do
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    I want to be on that team
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    that works with students
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    to say,'re about to do work
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    that you ought to be able to care about
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    for the rest of your life
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    if you haven't done it already
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    and, I, to get back to your original question
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    one of the most gifted students that I've run across
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    in my career is a fellow
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    I just taught at Baylor last spring
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    he's got his own YouTube channel
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    you know, Stop Motion Lego Animation
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    its most popular stuff gets 40 - 50.000 views
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    that's been going on since he was 13 or 14
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    so yeah, what if that was baked into the curriculum?
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    in high school?
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    then they would push us, absolutely
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    Yeah, ok thanks