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How college loans exploit students for profit | Sajay Samuel | TEDxPSU

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    Four hundred years ago,
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    thousands seeking a better life
    in the new world
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    came as indentured servants.
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    Too poor to pay the passage,
    they got into debt
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    and in exchange for working
    up to 7 years in bonded labor.
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    Today 14 million Americans are indebted
    for their passage to the new economy.
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    Too poor to pay their way through college,
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    they now owe lenders
    more than one trillion US dollars.
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    They do find what jobs they can get
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    to pay off a debt
    that is secured on their person.
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    In America,
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    even a bankrupt gambler
    gets a second chance.
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    But it is nearly impossible
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    for an American to get discharged
    their student loan debts.
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    Once upon a time, in America,
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    going to college did not mean
    graduating with debt.
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    My friend Paul's father
    graduated from Colorado State University
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    on the GI Bill.
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    For his generation,
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    higher education was free or almost free,
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    because it was thought of
    as a public good.
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    Not anymore.
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    When Paul also graduated
    from Colorado State University,
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    he paid for his English degree
    by working part-time.
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    30 years ago,
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    higher education tuition
    was affordable, reasonable,
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    and what debts you accumulated,
    you paid off by graduation date.
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    Not anymore.
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    Paul's daughter followed in his footsteps,
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    but with one difference:
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    when she graduated five years ago,
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    it was with a whopping debt.
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    Students like Kate have to take on a loan
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    because the cost of higher education
    has become unaffordable
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    for many if not most American families.
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    But so what?
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    Getting into debt to buy
    an expensive education
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    is not all bad if you could pay it off
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    with the increased income
    that you earned from it.
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    But that's where the rubber
    meets the road.
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    Even a college grad
    earned 10 percent more in 2001
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    than she did in 2013.
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    So ...
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    tuition costs up,
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    public funding down,
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    family incomes diminished,
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    personal incomes weak.
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    Is it any wonder that more
    than a quarter of those who must
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    cannot make their student loan payments?
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    The worst of times
    can be the best of times,
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    because certain truths flash up
    in ways that you can't ignore.
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    I want to speak of three of them today.
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    1.2 trillion dollars of debts for diplomas
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    make it abundantly obvious
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    that higher education
    is a consumer product you can buy.
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    All of us talk about education
    just as the economists do now,
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    as an investment that you make
    to improve the human stock
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    by training them for work.
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    As an investment you make
    to sort and classify people
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    so that employers
    can hire them more easily.
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    The U.S. News & World Report
    ranks colleges
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    just as the consumer report
    rates washing machines.
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    The language is peppered with barbarisms.
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    Teachers are called "service providers,"
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    students are called "consumers."
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    Sociology and Shakespeare
    and soccer and science,
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    all of these are "content."
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    Student debt is profitable.
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    Only not on you.
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    Your debt fattens the profit
    of the student-loan industry.
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    The two 800-pound gorillas of which --
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    Sallie Mae and Navient --
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    posted last year a combined profit
    of 1.2 billion dollars.
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    And just like home mortgages,
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    student loans can be bundled
    and packaged and sliced and diced,
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    and sold on Wall Street.
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    And colleges and universities
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    that invest in these securitized loans ...
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    profit twice.
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    Once from your tuition,
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    and then again from the interest on debt.
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    With all that money to be made,
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    are we surprised that some
    in the higher education business
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    have begun to engage in false advertising,
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    in bait and switch ...
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    In exploiting the very ignorance
    that they pretend to educate?
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    Third:
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    diplomas are a brand.
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    Many years ago my teacher wrote,
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    "When students are treated as consumers,
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    they're made prisoners
    of addiction and envy."
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    Just as consumers can be sold and resold
    upgraded versions of an iPhone,
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    so also people can be sold
    more and more education.
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    College is the new high school,
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    we already say that.
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    But why stop there?
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    People can be upsold
    on certifications and recertifications,
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    master's degrees, doctoral degrees.
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    Higher education is also marketed
    as a status object.
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    Buy a degree,
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    much like you do a Lexus
    of a Louis Vuitton bag,
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    to distinguish yourself from others.
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    So you can be the object
    of envy of others.
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    Diplomas are a brand.
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    But these truths are often times
    hidden by a very noisy sales pitch.
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    There is not a day that goes by
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    without some policy guy
    on television telling us,
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    "A college degree is absolutely essential
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    to get on that up escalator
    to a middle-class life."
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    And the usual evidence offered
    is the college premium:
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    a college grad who makes on average
    56 percent more than a high school grad.
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    Let's look at that number more carefully,
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    because on the face of it,
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    it seems to belie the stories we all hear
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    about college grads
    working as baristas and cashiers.
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    Of 100 people who enroll
    in any form of post-secondary education,
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    45 do not complete it in a timely fashion,
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    for a number of reasons,
    including financial.
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    Of the 55 that do graduate,
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    two will remain unemployed
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    and another 18 are underemployed.
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    So, college grads earn more
    than high school grads,
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    but does it pay for the exorbitant tuition
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    and the lost wages while at college?
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    Now even economists admit
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    going to college pays off
    for only those who complete it.
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    But that's only because high school wages
    have been cut to the bone,
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    for decades now.
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    For decades,
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    workers with a high school degree
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    have been denied a fair share
    of what they have produced.
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    And had they received as they should have,
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    then going to college would have been
    a bad investment for many.
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    College premium?
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    I think it's a high school discount.
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    Two out of three people who enroll
    are not going to find an adequate job.
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    And the future, for them,
    doesn't look particularly promising --
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    in fact, [it's] downright bleak.
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    And it is they who are going to suffer
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    the most punishing forms of student debt.
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    And it is they,
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    curiously and sadly,
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    who are marketed most loudly
    about this college premium thing.
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    That's not just cynical marketing,
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    that's cruel.
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    So what do we do?
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    What if students and parents treated
    higher education as a consumer product?
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    Everybody else seems to.
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    Then, like any other consumer product,
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    you would demand to know
    what you're paying for.
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    When you buy medicines,
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    you get a list of side effects.
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    When you buy a higher educational product,
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    you should have a warning label
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    that allows consumers to choose,
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    make informed choices.
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    When you buy a car,
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    it tells you how many
    miles per gallon to expect.
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    Who knows what to expect
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    from a degree say, in Canadian Studies.
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    There is such a thing, by the way.
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    What if there was an app for that?
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    One that linked up the cost of a major
    to the expected income.
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    Let's call it Income-Based Tuition or IBT.
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    One of you make this.
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    (Laughter)
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    Discover your reality.
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    (Laughter)
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    There are three advantages,
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    three benefits to Income-Based Tuition.
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    Any user can figure out
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    how much money he or she will make
    from a given college and major.
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    Such informed users
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    are unlikely to fall victim
    to the huckster's ploy,
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    to the sales pitch.
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    But also to choose wisely.
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    Why would anybody pay more for college
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    than let's say, 15 percent
    of the additional income they earn?
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    There's a second benefit
    to Income-Based Tuition.
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    By tying the cost to the income,
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    college administrators would be forced
    to manage costs better,
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    to find innovative ways to do so.
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    For instance,
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    all of you students here pay roughly
    the same tuition for every major.
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    That is manifestly unfair,
    and should change.
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    An engineering student uses more resources
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    and facilities and labs and faculty
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    than a philosophy student.
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    But the philosophy student,
    as a consequence,
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    is subsidizing the engineering student.
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    Who then, by the way,
    goes on and earns more money.
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    Why should two people
    buy the same product,
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    pay the same,
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    but one person receive
    half or a third of the service.
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    In fact, college grads, some majors,
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    pay 25 percent of their income
    servicing their student debt,
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    while others pay five percent.
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    That kind if inequity would end
    when majors are priced more correctly.
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    Now of course, all this data --
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    and one of you is going to do this, right?
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    All this data has to be well designed,
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    maybe audited by public accounting firms
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    to avoid statistical lies.
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    We know about statistics, right?
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    But be that as it may,
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    the third and biggest benefit
    of Income-Based Tuition,
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    is it would free Americans from the fear
    and the fact of financial ruin
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    because they bought a defective product.
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    Perhaps, in time,
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    young and old Americans may rediscover,
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    as the gentleman said earlier,
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    their curiosity, their love of learning.
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    Begin to study what they love,
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    love what they study,
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    follow their passion ...
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    getting stimulated by their intelligence,
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    follow paths of inquiry
    that they really want to.
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    After all, it was Eric and Kevin,
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    two years ago,
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    just exactly these kinds of young men,
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    who prompted me and worked with me,
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    and still do,
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    in the study of indebted
    students in America.
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    Thank you for your attention.
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    (Applause)
Title:
How college loans exploit students for profit | Sajay Samuel | TEDxPSU
Description:

"Once upon a time in America," says professor Sajay Samuel, "going to college did not mean graduating with debt." Today, higher education has become a consumer product -- costs have skyrocketed, saddling students with a combined debt of over $1 trillion, while universities and loan companies make massive profits. Samuel proposes a radical solution: link tuition costs to a degree's expected earnings, so that students can make informed decisions about their future, restore their love of learning and contribute to the world in a meaningful way.

This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx

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