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Showing Revision 2 created 10/16/2017 by Carrie Spradlin.

  1. So this is Daniel's question:
  2. "Do the Scriptures teach that
  3. two separate judgments will occur
  4. between the Gospel age
  5. and the age to come?
  6. Before coming to any conclusion
    on my eschatology,
  7. I am not a dispensationalist,
  8. I am an amillenialist
    (with a smiley face).
  9. The reason why I am prompted
  10. to ask this question is because
  11. according to Hebrews 9:27..."
  12. So let's all turn to Hebrews 9:27.
  13. "Do Scriptures teach that
  14. two separate judgments will occur
  15. between the Gospel age
    and the age to come?"
  16. And he's asking that question
  17. because he feels like,
  18. according to Hebrews 9:27,
  19. and if you have your Bibles open
  20. to Hebrews 9:27,
  21. you see that it says,
  22. "And just as it is appointed
  23. for man to die once,
  24. and after that comes judgment."
  25. And Daniel says,
  26. "Just as it is appointed
    for man to die once
  27. and after that comes the judgment,
  28. in the text after the words 'die once,'
  29. it says, 'and after.'
  30. It sounds like the Apostle Paul
  31. is stating..."
  32. (I take issue with you on Apostle Paul)...
  33. Anyway, the author of Hebrews.
  34. Daniel is saying that it sounds like
  35. it's stating that after the death
  36. of an individual,
  37. saved or lost,
  38. judgment will occur right after.
  39. Yet, you go to Revelation 20:11-15.
  40. So keep your finger here and
    go to Revelation 20.
  41. Verse 11-15
  42. "Then I saw a great white throne,
  43. and Him who is seated on it,
  44. from His presence, earth and sky fled away
  45. and no place was found for them.
  46. And I saw the dead, great and small,
  47. standing before the throne,
  48. and books were opened,
  49. then another book was opened,
  50. which is the Book of Life.
  51. And the dead were judged
    by what was written
  52. in the books.
  53. According to what
    they had done.
  54. And the sea gave
    up the dead
  55. who were in it.
  56. Death and Hades
    gave up the dead
  57. who were in them.
  58. And they were judged,
    each one of them,
  59. according to what they had done.
  60. Then Death and Hades were thrown
  61. into the lake of fire.
  62. This is the second death.
  63. The lake of fire.
  64. And if anyone's name was not found
  65. written in the Book of Life,
  66. he was thrown into the lake of fire."
  67. So, Daniel says, "yet, you go
    to Revelation 20:11-15,
  68. which this passage is notoriously known as
  69. the Great White Throne Judgment."
  70. I don't think you have to say notoriously.
  71. Because obviously the text does say
  72. there's a great white throne
  73. and there's a judgment.
  74. Why do you say notorious?
  75. Daniel: Perhaps in other translations
  76. it words that particular
    passage differently,
  77. so just to give a general
    title on that passage
  78. was the Great White Throne Judgment.
  79. Because on my translation
    it doesn't say that.
  80. Tim: On your translation it what?
  81. Daniel: It says judgment
    at the throne of God.
  82. Tim: Yeah, mine says the Great
    White Throne Judgement.
  83. I mean, I have a heading.
  84. I recognize it's not inspired, but...
  85. I don't think we have to be so notorious,
  86. because it is a judgment that happens
  87. at the great white throne.
  88. It speaks about another judgment
  89. involving the dead.
  90. The Book of Life, books being opened,
  91. being judged for our works,
  92. and Death and Hades being
  93. thrown into the lake of fire.
  94. This judgment will occur
    at the end of the age.
  95. How do you properly interpret
  96. both of these passages?
  97. So, basically, his question is this.
  98. It sounds like there's
    a judgment at the end,
  99. but it sounds like there's
    a judgment immediately
  100. after death as well.
  101. Well, ok, let's go back to Hebrews 9:27.
  102. Because Daniel was basically
  103. going off of what Hebrews 9:27
    sounds like it's saying
  104. when taken all by itself.
  105. But it's really important that that text
  106. be taken in its context.
  107. Because the author of Hebrews is not
  108. primarily talking about
    death and judgment.
  109. He's primarily talking about Christ
  110. and His one sacrifice.
  111. Let's just pick up at Hebrews 9:22.
  112. "Indeed, under the law, almost everything
  113. is purified with blood."
  114. So under Moses, God designed it
  115. so that blood was necessary for much
  116. of the ceremonial purification
  117. that took place.
  118. "And without the shedding of blood,
  119. there is no forgiveness of sins.
  120. Thus, it was necessary for the copies
  121. of the heavenly things..."
  122. The copies.
  123. The stuff that happened
  124. under Moses were copies.
  125. Christ is the reality.
  126. "It was necessary for the copies
  127. of the heavenly things to be purified
  128. with these rights."
  129. In other words, with blood rights.
  130. "But the heavenly things..."
  131. In other words, the things that
  132. pertain to Christ and His one offering.
  133. "The heavenly things themselves
  134. with better sacrifices than these."
  135. Why, because they were animals.
  136. They were animal sacrifices.
  137. It was animal blood.
  138. The blood of bulls and goats
  139. does not do anything for sin.
  140. Verse 24
  141. "For Christ has entered,
  142. not into holy places made with hands,
  143. not like the copies,
  144. which are copies of the true things,
  145. but into heaven itself,
  146. now to appear in the presence of God
  147. on our behalf.
  148. Nor was it to offer Himself repeatedly
  149. as the high priest enters the holy places
  150. every year with blood not his own.
  151. For then, He would have
    had to suffer repeatedly."
  152. So, he's arguing here.
  153. Christ did not have to suffer repeatedly.
  154. "It wasn't to offer Himself repeatedly."
  155. Why did those have
    to be offered repeatedly?
  156. Because they never accomplished anything.
  157. There was never any removal of sin.
  158. So, they had to
    keep coming back;
  159. keep coming back;
    keep coming back.
  160. And you remember, one
    of the arguments made
  161. is that these guys stood
    daily in the temple.
  162. When Jesus was done, He sat down.
  163. There were no chairs in the temple.
  164. "He would have had to suffer repeatedly
  165. since the foundation of the world.
  166. But, as it is, He has
    appeared once for all
  167. at the end of the ages, to put away sin
  168. by the sacrifice of Himself."
  169. Now, notice this.
  170. Everything has been about Christ
  171. and His offering.
  172. "And just as..."
  173. Now, you need to notice that.
  174. Just as...
  175. "Just as it is appointed
    for man to die once
  176. and after that comes judgment..."
  177. Just like that happens.
  178. Just as man dies, and then after that
  179. is the judgment,
  180. "so Christ having been offered once
  181. to bear the sins of many,
  182. will appear a second time."
  183. Do you see the parallel?
  184. Man dies - then the judgment,
  185. is parallel to
  186. Christ dying in His offering,
  187. and then returning the second time.
  188. Well, I would ask this:
  189. is Christ's second coming immediately
  190. after He offered Himself?
  191. Because that's the parallel.
  192. Well, no.
  193. It's a long time later.
  194. And so because those are the two things
  195. being compared there,
  196. there would be no sense,
  197. there would be no reason,
  198. there would be nothing
    about the parallel
  199. that would require us to say,
  200. oh, the judgment must be immediately
  201. after death.
  202. Do you see what I'm saying?
  203. So, taken in context,
  204. and then we'll pick up verse 28,
  205. "So, Christ having been offered
  206. once to bear the sins of many,
  207. will appear a second time,
  208. not to deal with sin,
  209. but to save those who are
  210. eagerly waiting for Him."
  211. I would just give you a text
  212. maybe we could look at very quickly
  213. before we move
    on to the second question.
  214. Jump over to 2 Peter.
  215. 2 Peter 2 has the classic text,
  216. in my estimation,
  217. on the intermediate state.
  218. By intermediate state,
    I mean when people die,
  219. what happens between
    death and the judgment.
  220. And notice what's being said here.
  221. 2 Peter 2:4
  222. "For if God did not spare angels
  223. when they sinned, but
    cast them into hell..."
  224. So you see what's happened.
  225. The angels sinned.
  226. Cast into hell.
  227. Well, you say, wait,
  228. some of those angels are fallen
  229. and they're running around still.
  230. Well, it seems like Scripture teaches
  231. that some were cast away.
  232. Some are not allowed...
  233. I'm not here to talk
    about the angels so much.
  234. But, cast them into hell,
  235. and notice this - the intermediate state,
  236. from the time they sinned
  237. until the judgment.
  238. "Committed them to
    chains of gloomy darkness,
  239. to be kept until the judgment."
  240. You see, they weren't judged immediately.
  241. They're put in a holding tank, as it were.
  242. Now you say, ok, that's
    talking about angels.
  243. That's not talking about people.
  244. Ok.
  245. Peter talks about people when he gets
  246. down to verse 9.
  247. "The Lord knows how to rescue
  248. the godly from trials."
  249. And notice this.
  250. "And to keep the unrighteous
  251. under punishment until
    the day of judgment."
  252. You see that?
  253. Not only angels, but men too,
  254. are kept under punishment.
  255. There is a place of punishment.
  256. There's a place of holding.
  257. It doesn't say that they were
  258. immediately judged.
  259. It says that they're being
    kept until the judgment.
  260. Does that make sense?
  261. So, I think we see that
  262. no, there isn't more than one judgement.
  263. You have the judgment at the end.
  264. You know what's interesting.
  265. Notice the parallel in
    9:27 and 9:28 of Hebrews.
  266. It is man dies, then he's judged.
  267. Christ offers Himself
    once, then He returns.
  268. Well, in His offering, He died.
  269. In His return, we have the judgment.
  270. That's what Scripture teaches.
  271. To give you just a portion of Scripture
  272. that gives this, I think,
  273. in very distinct clarity
  274. is Romans 2.
  275. Why don't we look at one more text
  276. before we move on?
  277. Romans 2
  278. The Apostle Paul says in verse 1,
  279. "Therefore, you have
    no excuse, O man,
  280. every one of you who judges.
  281. For in passing judgment on another,
  282. you condemn yourself,
    because you, the judge
  283. practice the very same things."
  284. Verse 2,
  285. "We know that the
    judgment of God rightly falls
  286. on those who do such things.
  287. Do you suppose, O man, you who judge
  288. those who do such things,
  289. and yet do them yourself,
  290. that you will escape the judgment of God?
  291. Or do you presume on the riches
  292. of His kindness and forebearance
  293. and patience, not
    knowing that God's kindness
  294. is meant to lead you to repentance?"
  295. Verse 5 is where Judgment
    Day is introduced to us.
  296. "But, because of your hard
    and impenitent heart,
  297. you are storing up wrath for yourself
  298. on the day of wrath when God's righteous
  299. judgment will be revealed."
  300. See that? There's a day.
  301. There's not two days.
  302. There's not several days.
  303. There's one day.
  304. And notice, on the one day,
  305. everybody's there.
  306. Verse 6
  307. "He will render to each one
    according to his works.
  308. On the one hand, to those who by patience
  309. and well doing seek for glory and honor
  310. and immortality, He
    will give eternal life."
  311. There's the Christian on Judgment Day.
  312. "But for those who are self-seeking
  313. and do not obey the truth,
  314. but obey unrighteousness,
  315. there will be wrath and fury.
  316. There will be tribulation and distress
  317. for every human being who does evil.
  318. The Jew first and also the Greek.
  319. But glory and honor and peace
  320. for everyone who does good,
  321. the Jew first and also the Greek,
  322. for God shows no partiality."
  323. And you know, you may remember
  324. Matthew 25 as well.
  325. What happens when Jesus comes?
  326. You remember the Son of Man,
  327. He comes and He sits.
  328. We looked at that
    when we were
  329. going through the
    eschatology series.
  330. He sits down.
  331. And He gathers the nations before Him,
  332. and He divides them,
  333. like a shepherd divides
  334. the sheep and the goats.
  335. You've got everybody there.
  336. It's all at one time.
  337. It's all in one day.
  338. You have the righteous
    and the unrighteous,
  339. and in the very last verse of Matthew 25,
  340. you have those on His right,
  341. they pass off into eternal life,
  342. those on his left,
  343. into eternal punishment.
  344. So any questions or comments on that?
  345. (from the room)
  346. So is it right to say that right now
  347. the wicked are under the wrath of God
  348. in punishment?
  349. Or I guess I'm just thinking as far as
  350. Romans 2 how specifically it's saying
  351. storing up wrath for a day of wrath
  352. when God's righteous
    judgment will be revealed.
  353. It kind of makes it sound like,
  354. like the rich man, they're under flames
  355. and torment right now,
  356. but could that also be the wrath of God?
  357. Tim: In Romans 1,
  358. we see that the wrath of God
  359. is already revealed.
  360. And one of the ways it's revealed
  361. is God is giving up people
  362. to hardness and to sin.
  363. Because they are going after idols,
  364. and they are going after
    these lusts and everything.
  365. God is giving them up.
  366. And so, we know that man by nature,
  367. they're called children of wrath.
  368. Obviously if you're put
    in a place of punishment,
  369. that's not like absent of wrath.
  370. But I guess the picture that you have
  371. is not so much
    exclusive to all other days.
  372. Not like the Day of
    Judgment is the day of wrath
  373. and there's no other days of wrath.
  374. It's just a culmination of wrath
  375. I think is the way you'd
    want to look at it.
  376. Because clearly, we are under
  377. the wrath of God by nature.
  378. And clearly, being put in flames
  379. like Lazarus and Dives
    you have there in Luke 16.
  380. And some people would
    say that's a parable,
  381. but 2 Peter is no parable.
  382. 2 Peter talks about them being kept
  383. under punishment.
  384. That punishment obviously
  385. is an expression of wrath.
  386. Is it going to get worse?
  387. Is the wrath going to increase?
  388. The second death is the lake of fire.
  389. And yet, if we take Dives in Luke 16
  390. as being an actual account,
  391. which I tend to think it is,
  392. I don't think it's parabolic.
  393. But some people do.
  394. But if you ever get into that debate,
  395. you just run over to 2 Peter.
  396. Some people want to argue for soul sleep.
  397. There's various things
    that people want to say.
  398. I think there's wrath now
  399. and I think it just culminates.
  400. The only way out,
  401. the only way to be
    saved from the wrath
  402. is to be under the blood,
  403. whether it's now or later.
  404. (from the room)
  405. So whether there's
    a degree of wrath
  406. that's greater than
    the lake of fire or not,
  407. ... you don't want either.
  408. Tim: Everybody that's already died
  409. before Judgment Day is obviously
  410. going to pulled from
    this place of punishment
  411. and brought before the Judge,
  412. and then Jesus describes that.
  413. Depart from Me, you workers of iniquity.
  414. And they're cast away
  415. into the outer darkness.
  416. The lake of fire.
  417. Ok. Any other questions or comments
  418. or observations about that?
  419. (from the room)
  420. So then, that's for the unbeliever.
  421. For the believer then, when they die,
  422. they go to be with the Lord.
  423. Tim: This day, you'll be
    with Me in paradise.
  424. And yet, on Judgment Day,
    they are brought forward.
  425. But for them, it's like it
    says there in Romans 2,
  426. there's eternal life.
  427. Well done, good and faithful servant.
  428. (from the room)
  429. So they're with the Lord,
  430. and then there is a bodily resurrection...
  431. Tim: That's the thing,
  432. the bodily resurrection
    does not take place
  433. until the judgment.
  434. There's this resurrection of judgment.
  435. There's a resurrection of life.
  436. And that happens on the last day.
  437. That happens when we get to the end.
  438. And so, there's mysteries.
  439. There's no question about it.
  440. This day you'll be with Me in paradise.
  441. There was Moses and Elijah up
  442. on the Mount of Transfiguration.
  443. It's like the disciples
    knew who they were.
  444. Well, were they body-less?
  445. Were they phantoms?
  446. No, that's not the idea that you get.
  447. But ok, what's the deal with Elijah?
  448. Where's his body at?
  449. He didn't even die.
  450. I mean, I don't know.
  451. I don't have all the answers,
    and all the answers aren't given to us.
  452. But we do know this,
  453. that the general resurrection
  454. is going to happen there at the last day.
  455. And a classic text on
    that is found in John 5.
  456. If you want to look there quickly.
  457. John 5
  458. A tremendous chapter of Scripture.
  459. Anyway, if you go to John 5:25.
  460. "Truly, truly, I say to you,
  461. an hour is coming and is now here
  462. when the dead will hear the voice..."
  463. It's now here.
  464. When He was talking.
  465. "When the dead will hear
    the voice of the Son of God."
  466. That's salvation.
  467. That's hearing His voice.
  468. Having ears to hear the Gospel
  469. and to believe and trust Him.
  470. "Those who hear will live."
  471. They're given eternal
    life when they believe.
  472. "For as the Father
    has life in Himself,
  473. so He has granted the Son also
  474. to have life in Himself,
  475. and He has given Him authority
  476. to execute judgment because
  477. He is the Son of Man."
  478. And He says this,
  479. He's going to argue one
    case with another case.
  480. "Do not marvel at this."
  481. Don't marvel that when I speak,
  482. I'm able to bring
    people to life spiritually.
  483. "For an hour is coming when all
  484. who are in the tomb..."
  485. All.
  486. Not just good; not just bad.
  487. All.
  488. "...who are in the tombs,
    will hear His voice,
  489. and come out.
  490. On the one hand, those
    who have done good,
  491. to the resurrection of life,
  492. those who have done evil,
  493. to the resurrection of judgment."
  494. So you see that reality there.
  495. One general resurrection
    of the living and the dead.
  496. One general judgment, so says Romans 2
  497. and Matthew 25 and so on.