1 00:00:00,061 --> 00:00:01,429 ルイジアナ チャンネル 2 00:00:01,429 --> 00:00:02,628 ジョナサン・サフラン・フォア 小説は詩に学べ 3 00:00:02,628 --> 00:00:06,502 よく「文学は死んだ」 と言われます 4 00:00:06,502 --> 00:00:09,021 最初の文学作品が 作られてすぐ 5 00:00:09,021 --> 00:00:11,880 そう言うように なったのでしょう 6 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,414 最近  一層そう言われています 7 00:00:14,414 --> 00:00:19,136 それを後押しするのは 本を読む人が少なくなった事 8 00:00:19,136 --> 00:00:23,213 深まりつつある 文学への無関心 9 00:00:23,213 --> 00:00:31,920 懸念や不信さえある 10 00:00:33,273 --> 00:00:36,135 何でも 画面で見ようとする風潮も 11 00:00:36,135 --> 00:00:39,476 画面向きとは言えない 本にとっては 12 00:00:39,476 --> 00:00:41,797 良くない事でしょう 13 00:00:41,797 --> 00:00:44,321 画面上で本を 読む事はできます 14 00:00:44,321 --> 00:00:45,459 でも Eメールや 15 00:00:45,475 --> 00:00:49,801 カレンダー やメッセージ 置いてある画面では無理 16 00:00:49,801 --> 00:00:52,665 そういうメディアには 敵わない 17 00:00:52,665 --> 00:00:56,384 人はこれからも 本を読むだろうか? 18 00:00:56,384 --> 00:01:01,774 思うに 文学にしかできない 伝えられない事は 19 00:01:01,774 --> 00:01:06,506 まだ残っている これからもずっとあり続ける 20 00:01:06,506 --> 00:01:09,773 文学が必ずしも 映画やダンス 音楽より 21 00:01:09,773 --> 00:01:12,354 優れているとは思いません 22 00:01:13,154 --> 00:01:17,029 実際 個人的にはよく 文学より 映画やダンスに 23 00:01:17,029 --> 00:01:19,061 惹かれます 24 00:01:19,061 --> 00:01:21,056 でも人生において 25 00:01:21,056 --> 00:01:25,084 文学が それも文学だけが 必要な時がある 26 00:01:25,084 --> 00:01:28,619 例えば 一週間前 旧友の母親が― 27 00:01:28,634 --> 00:01:30,013 亡くなりました 28 00:01:30,013 --> 00:01:32,940 僕はNYからDCへ その旧友を訪ねた 29 00:01:33,355 --> 00:01:38,583 何を言うべきか とても気まずい 痛みさえ覚える沈黙を - 30 00:01:38,583 --> 00:01:42,145 どう埋めればいいのか? とても悩みました 31 00:01:42,898 --> 00:01:48,079 僕は詩を持参する事にした 20篇ぐらいの詩です 32 00:01:48,079 --> 00:01:50,410 僕が詩を朗読し 二人で内容を語った 33 00:01:51,025 --> 00:01:54,097 その時僕らは― 勿論 主に彼女がですが 34 00:01:54,097 --> 00:01:58,068 でも二人で一緒に 立ち向かったのです 35 00:01:58,068 --> 00:02:03,954 人生最大の時である「死」を迎え 僕たちが頼ったもの それは― 36 00:02:05,507 --> 00:02:07,254 「詩」だったのです 37 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:12,489 人生における 恐ろしく 緊迫した 生と死にまつわる時 38 00:02:13,473 --> 00:02:18,760 詩や短編 それに長編小説は 大きな助けになる 39 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,757 僕はそう思うのです 40 00:02:24,311 --> 00:02:28,981 長編は何時間も あるいは何日もかけて 41 00:02:28,981 --> 00:02:34,611 短編でさえ 三十分はかけて 読まれるものです 42 00:02:34,611 --> 00:02:39,174 彼女にどの程度 エネルギーがあるか分からず 43 00:02:39,174 --> 00:02:40,835 短い物がいいと思った 44 00:02:40,835 --> 00:02:43,904 それも詩を選んだ理由ですが 45 00:02:43,904 --> 00:02:47,213 詩が文学の 最も凝縮された形 ある意味― 46 00:02:47,213 --> 00:02:48,951 最も純粋な形だから という理由もある 47 00:02:50,690 --> 00:02:55,530 長編小説が詩に劣っている とは思いません 48 00:02:55,530 --> 00:02:59,743 でも 詩から学ぶものは多いと 思います 49 00:02:59,743 --> 00:03:03,928 言葉に何ができるか いかに率直に 50 00:03:03,928 --> 00:03:06,547 いかに簡潔になり得るのか 51 00:03:06,547 --> 00:03:09,380 いかに感情を呼び覚まし 動かすか 52 00:03:09,380 --> 00:03:11,527 時々小説は間違いを犯し 53 00:03:11,527 --> 00:03:15,320 自分自身の説明書きのように なってしまう 54 00:03:15,643 --> 00:03:18,494 「この本ってつまり 何が言いたいの?」となるわけです 55 00:03:20,262 --> 00:03:23,089 「あらすじは言えるけど それじゃ駄目だ」 56 00:03:23,779 --> 00:03:26,281 「実際に読まないと」 ―そういう本を 57 00:03:26,281 --> 00:03:27,319 書くのが夢です 58 00:03:27,319 --> 00:03:28,741 それこそ いい小説です 59 00:03:28,741 --> 00:03:31,815 「あらすじがすべて」 のような小説 60 00:03:31,815 --> 00:03:34,263 あらすじの拡大版 のような小説は― 61 00:03:35,063 --> 00:03:37,653 実はとてもテレビに近い ものになってしまう 62 00:03:39,006 --> 00:03:43,415 詩がやっている事は 小説にもまだできるはずです 63 00:03:43,415 --> 00:03:48,902 言葉に表せない程神聖で 神秘的で 完全には理解できない 64 00:03:48,902 --> 00:03:52,487 そんな小説は可能です 詩より長いだけです 65 00:03:53,290 --> 00:03:57,491 ずっと 文学より 視覚芸術に惹かれてきました 66 00:03:57,491 --> 00:04:02,054 作家になりたかった理由を 思い出せないような時は 今でも― 67 00:04:03,536 --> 00:04:05,837 本を読むのではなく 実は 68 00:04:06,344 --> 00:04:10,512 絵画や彫刻を 鑑賞しています 69 00:04:10,767 --> 00:04:14,471 僕にとって 区別は あまりにも明白です 70 00:04:14,471 --> 00:04:22,198 ミュージシャンに作家 アーティスト ダンサー…みんなそれぞれ違うでしょう? 71 00:04:22,874 --> 00:04:27,095 僕たちは彼らを分類し 隔離してきました 72 00:04:27,556 --> 00:04:29,758 重なる部分が ほぼ ないように 73 00:04:29,758 --> 00:04:32,857 でも実際には 彼らはただ 「がらくた」と― 74 00:04:32,857 --> 00:04:36,287 呼ばれかねない物を 作りたがっているだけ 75 00:04:37,017 --> 00:04:39,055 でも「がらくた」なんてない 76 00:04:39,055 --> 00:04:41,668 今 撮影に使っているカメラは 77 00:04:41,668 --> 00:04:44,878 何かを記録する為 作られた 78 00:04:44,878 --> 00:04:48,247 このビデオを見るのに 使われている 79 00:04:48,247 --> 00:04:50,853 テレビやパソコンにも 特定の目的があり 80 00:04:51,499 --> 00:04:54,506 81 00:04:54,506 --> 00:04:57,584 82 00:04:58,353 --> 00:04:59,806 83 00:04:59,806 --> 00:05:02,180 84 00:05:03,087 --> 00:05:05,324 85 00:05:06,617 --> 00:05:07,911 86 00:05:07,911 --> 00:05:09,580 87 00:05:10,149 --> 00:05:14,253 88 00:05:14,683 --> 00:05:16,151 89 00:05:16,152 --> 00:05:19,407 90 00:05:19,407 --> 00:05:20,522 91 00:05:21,691 --> 00:05:23,067 92 00:05:23,067 --> 00:05:28,225 93 00:05:28,225 --> 00:05:32,721 94 00:05:34,105 --> 00:05:36,609 95 00:05:36,609 --> 00:05:37,893 96 00:05:37,893 --> 00:05:39,239 97 00:05:39,239 --> 00:05:40,646 98 00:05:41,199 --> 00:05:43,398 99 00:05:43,398 --> 00:05:48,123 100 00:05:48,123 --> 00:05:51,338 101 00:05:52,310 --> 00:05:53,760 102 00:05:54,221 --> 00:05:57,435 103 00:05:57,435 --> 00:06:00,230 104 00:06:00,230 --> 00:06:03,478 105 00:06:03,478 --> 00:06:08,590 106 00:06:08,590 --> 00:06:12,368 107 00:06:12,937 --> 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