WEBVTT 00:00:00.237 --> 00:00:03.018 There are some practical things 00:00:03.018 --> 00:00:08.391 in this work of being a pastor 00:00:08.391 --> 00:00:12.550 in the way of not burning out. 00:00:12.550 --> 00:00:18.348 You want to be there over the long haul. 00:00:18.348 --> 00:00:19.969 Charles and Dick - 00:00:19.969 --> 00:00:24.959 they had a celebration up there 00:00:24.959 --> 00:00:26.037 at Lake Road. 00:00:26.037 --> 00:00:30.160 Forty years in the ministry back then. 00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:34.817 It's forty-plus now. 00:00:34.817 --> 00:00:37.607 That's what you want long term. 00:00:37.607 --> 00:00:43.806 Survive as long as God would have you there. 00:00:43.806 --> 00:00:45.788 There are maybe some practical things 00:00:45.788 --> 00:00:48.697 that help someone to survive 00:00:48.697 --> 00:00:50.687 in the work of the ministry 00:00:50.687 --> 00:00:53.906 that are sometimes overlooked. 00:00:53.906 --> 00:00:56.308 I guess I could just offer that 00:00:56.308 --> 00:00:59.685 in consideration. 00:00:59.685 --> 00:01:03.915 I've been told by some to take a day off. 00:01:03.915 --> 00:01:06.576 Take one day out of the week as a pastor 00:01:06.576 --> 00:01:08.738 and make it a day off. 00:01:08.738 --> 00:01:11.432 I was initially reluctant to do that, 00:01:11.432 --> 00:01:14.143 but I have adopted that. 00:01:14.143 --> 00:01:17.437 Tim and Ruby Conway suggested that to me 00:01:17.437 --> 00:01:19.718 in concern for me during the hard times 00:01:19.718 --> 00:01:21.133 that we were going through, 00:01:21.133 --> 00:01:22.515 and it was very helpful. 00:01:22.515 --> 00:01:25.257 I'm so thankful they did. 00:01:25.257 --> 00:01:26.616 During that time off, 00:01:26.616 --> 00:01:31.115 I don't hold to it as something 00:01:31.115 --> 00:01:34.205 that is binding in the sense that 00:01:34.205 --> 00:01:35.735 if someone had an emergency, 00:01:35.735 --> 00:01:38.411 I would turn my back on them. 00:01:38.411 --> 00:01:40.116 It's not like that. 00:01:40.116 --> 00:01:44.477 But my focus on that day off is different. 00:01:44.477 --> 00:01:47.921 I don't pore over the books on that day off. 00:01:47.921 --> 00:01:50.240 You know, Solomon said 00:01:50.240 --> 00:01:53.372 excessive attention to books 00:01:53.372 --> 00:01:55.403 is wearying to the body. 00:01:55.403 --> 00:01:58.320 We need a day off during that time. 00:01:58.320 --> 00:02:01.935 And so I don't pore over the books 00:02:01.935 --> 00:02:04.578 quite like I would normally 00:02:04.578 --> 00:02:06.180 on that day off. 00:02:06.180 --> 00:02:13.282 I tend to do things that are more recreational. 00:02:13.282 --> 00:02:17.678 I like landscaping and flowers. 00:02:17.678 --> 00:02:22.371 I am a fan of - a supporter of - a hobby 00:02:22.371 --> 00:02:25.629 for a man to have; a pastor to have. 00:02:25.629 --> 00:02:27.130 Something that's mindless. 00:02:27.130 --> 00:02:30.398 Something that he enjoys doing. 00:02:30.398 --> 00:02:32.395 I think that helps. 00:02:32.395 --> 00:02:36.969 It helps the emotional; it helps the mind 00:02:36.969 --> 00:02:38.556 to relax and unwind. 00:02:38.556 --> 00:02:40.136 You can't keep that heart 00:02:40.136 --> 00:02:42.629 strung tight all the time. 00:02:42.629 --> 00:02:45.888 You've got to let the strings loose sometimes. 00:02:45.888 --> 00:02:47.930 And so I have flowers. 00:02:47.930 --> 00:02:52.632 I like to shoot guns and do things like that. 00:02:52.632 --> 00:02:53.847 Something relaxing, 00:02:53.847 --> 00:02:56.721 something that lets the mind go. 00:02:56.721 --> 00:03:00.167 Those are helps to avoid burnout. 00:03:00.167 --> 00:03:04.408 It helps to get physical exercise 00:03:04.408 --> 00:03:08.085 for a man in the ministry. 00:03:08.085 --> 00:03:10.001 The way that I'm wired, 00:03:10.001 --> 00:03:11.997 for some reason, I've got to have 00:03:11.997 --> 00:03:14.376 some intense physical exercise 00:03:14.376 --> 00:03:17.623 on a regular basis or I start feeling 00:03:17.623 --> 00:03:21.401 low and lethargic and not doing very well. 00:03:21.401 --> 00:03:24.460 So I go to the gym. 00:03:24.460 --> 00:03:26.800 I do CrossFit myself. 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:29.171 Others might go on walks 00:03:29.171 --> 00:03:30.990 or others might take up running. 00:03:30.990 --> 00:03:33.827 I had a lot of benefit from running 00:03:33.827 --> 00:03:37.483 when I was able to do it. 00:03:37.483 --> 00:03:40.317 The Lord just came to me and cleared my thoughts. 00:03:40.317 --> 00:03:44.455 Sermons ordered themselves on a nice run. 00:03:44.455 --> 00:03:46.464 So those kinds of things really help 00:03:46.464 --> 00:03:50.049 in the way of not being burned out 00:03:50.049 --> 00:03:56.345 and maintaining some sort of mental resilience, 00:03:56.345 --> 00:04:01.652 emotional resilience in the work of the ministry. 00:04:01.652 --> 00:04:11.209 Kind of an attitude of outlasting problems. 00:04:11.209 --> 00:04:14.124 A hunker-down kind of an attitude. 00:04:14.124 --> 00:04:15.798 The Lord will help me through it. 00:04:15.798 --> 00:04:17.687 We'll endure it. It's just a season. 00:04:17.687 --> 00:04:18.874 We can get through it. 00:04:18.874 --> 00:04:24.600 We tend to think it's going to be the end of us, you know. 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:30.998 So the Lord helps in those ways too. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:30.998 --> 00:04:33.038 James: Any other practical things 00:04:33.038 --> 00:04:36.174 or those kind of the ones you had on your mind? NOTE Paragraph 00:04:36.174 --> 00:04:38.582 Clint: We need to be able to get rest. 00:04:38.582 --> 00:04:41.246 We've got to be able to sleep. 00:04:41.246 --> 00:04:44.427 If you can't sleep, 00:04:44.427 --> 00:04:47.436 you're going to go down hill in a hurry emotionally. 00:04:47.436 --> 00:04:50.362 You've got to be able to get some rest and sleep. 00:04:50.362 --> 00:04:52.532 Keep regular hours. 00:04:52.532 --> 00:04:55.734 Not burn the midnight oil - up all night 00:04:55.734 --> 00:05:00.476 trying to prepare a sermon for Sunday or something. 00:05:00.476 --> 00:05:02.835 That might be an emergency situation, 00:05:02.835 --> 00:05:05.893 but it ought not to be the regular. 00:05:05.893 --> 00:05:07.992 There's no reason why the Lord 00:05:07.992 --> 00:05:10.272 can't bring a sermon on Monday, 00:05:10.272 --> 00:05:13.527 and it doesn't have to come on Saturday. 00:05:13.527 --> 00:05:16.583 So I start in the work early. 00:05:16.583 --> 00:05:19.085 If Monday's my day off, I might not 00:05:19.085 --> 00:05:21.998 give any thought to it on Monday, 00:05:21.998 --> 00:05:23.536 but when Tuesday comes, 00:05:23.536 --> 00:05:26.506 I start working on what I need to speak on 00:05:26.506 --> 00:05:28.455 in the following Sunday. 00:05:28.455 --> 00:05:30.773 I don't want to arrive at Saturday 00:05:30.773 --> 00:05:32.152 and not have anything. 00:05:32.152 --> 00:05:34.302 It's too stressful for me. 00:05:34.302 --> 00:05:36.216 That's me. 00:05:36.216 --> 00:05:38.739 Other men are really able to do that, 00:05:38.739 --> 00:05:41.254 but I'm not. 00:05:41.254 --> 00:05:43.857 I'm too weak for that approach. 00:05:43.857 --> 00:05:45.317 I've got to start early. 00:05:45.317 --> 00:05:46.637 James: Me too. 00:05:46.637 --> 00:05:48.952 Clint: And so that's where I'm at. 00:05:48.952 --> 00:05:51.795 Learn to compartmentalize. That helps. 00:05:51.795 --> 00:05:54.199 In other words, here's this issue 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:56.953 or here's this thing I need to think about, 00:05:56.953 --> 00:05:59.657 but I'm not going to think about it now. 00:05:59.657 --> 00:06:02.743 I'm going to think about it two days from now. 00:06:02.743 --> 00:06:05.158 When two days are up, then I'll think about it. 00:06:05.158 --> 00:06:06.822 In the meantime, 00:06:06.822 --> 00:06:09.386 I'll let my mind rest. 00:06:09.386 --> 00:06:11.352 Compartmentalize. 00:06:11.352 --> 00:06:14.564 It's maybe just a mind game, 00:06:14.564 --> 00:06:17.665 but it helps. 00:06:17.665 --> 00:06:19.590 And then, don't lie to yourself. 00:06:19.590 --> 00:06:21.544 When that day comes, take it up 00:06:21.544 --> 00:06:24.285 and begin to think about it seriously. 00:06:24.285 --> 00:06:26.956 But in the meantime, 00:06:26.956 --> 00:06:29.329 as best you're able, 00:06:29.329 --> 00:06:32.473 don't think about it then. 00:06:32.473 --> 00:06:35.644 It's a challenge because problems - 00:06:35.644 --> 00:06:38.417 they tyrannize your mind. 00:06:38.417 --> 00:06:41.040 They take over. 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:44.186 You can't ignore a T-Rex, you know, 00:06:44.186 --> 00:06:46.266 in the dinosaur world. 00:06:46.266 --> 00:06:49.476 And so problems become like that. 00:06:49.476 --> 00:06:51.536 They're hard to ignore. 00:06:51.536 --> 00:06:55.692 But in reality, we're not ignoring it. 00:06:55.692 --> 00:06:57.373 We're just postponing the time 00:06:57.373 --> 00:07:00.401 when we're going to put the energy into it. 00:07:00.401 --> 00:07:04.668 That's I guess what I mean by compartmentalizing. 00:07:04.668 --> 00:07:07.343 It's a trick that's helpful 00:07:07.343 --> 00:07:10.808 when it comes to not burning out 00:07:10.808 --> 00:07:14.086 and lasting. 00:07:14.086 --> 00:07:17.466 You can select another part of this interview below 00:07:17.466 --> 00:07:20.416 or if you're listening, you can find the rest of the interview 00:07:20.416 --> 00:07:23.761 on illbehonest.com or our mobile app.