WEBVTT 00:00:07.179 --> 00:00:11.149 Imagine a brilliant neuroscientist named Mary. 00:00:11.149 --> 00:00:13.830 Mary lives in a black and white room, 00:00:13.830 --> 00:00:16.220 she only reads black and white books, 00:00:16.220 --> 00:00:20.580 and her screens only display black and white. 00:00:20.580 --> 00:00:26.160 But even though she has never seen color, Mary is an expert in color vision 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:31.221 and knows everything ever discovered about its physics and biology. 00:00:31.221 --> 00:00:33.421 She knows how different wavelengths of light 00:00:33.421 --> 00:00:36.842 stimulate three types of cone cells in the retina, 00:00:36.842 --> 00:00:38.601 and she knows how electrical signals 00:00:38.601 --> 00:00:42.821 travel down the optic nerve into the brain. 00:00:42.821 --> 00:00:45.232 There, they create patterns of neural activity 00:00:45.232 --> 00:00:50.851 that correspond to the millions of colors most humans can distinguish. 00:00:50.851 --> 00:00:52.192 Now image that one day, 00:00:52.192 --> 00:00:54.802 Mary's black and white screen malfunctions 00:00:54.802 --> 00:00:57.580 and an apple appears in color. 00:00:57.580 --> 00:00:58.691 For the first time, 00:00:58.691 --> 00:01:03.502 she can experience something that she's known about for years. 00:01:03.502 --> 00:01:05.211 Does she learn anything new? 00:01:05.211 --> 00:01:10.342 Is there anything about perceiving color that wasn't captured in all her knowledge? 00:01:10.342 --> 00:01:13.491 Philosopher Frank Jackson proposed this thought experiment, 00:01:13.491 --> 00:01:17.069 called Mary's room, in 1982. 00:01:17.069 --> 00:01:21.312 He argued that if Mary already knew all the physical facts about color vision, 00:01:21.312 --> 00:01:24.722 and experiencing color still teaches her something new, 00:01:24.722 --> 00:01:27.462 then mental states, like color perception, 00:01:27.462 --> 00:01:31.713 can't be completely described by physical facts. 00:01:31.713 --> 00:01:33.492 The Mary's room thought experiment 00:01:33.492 --> 00:01:37.492 describes what philosophers call the knowledge argument, 00:01:37.492 --> 00:01:40.041 that there are non-physical properties and knowledge 00:01:40.041 --> 00:01:44.852 which can only be discovered through conscious experience. 00:01:44.852 --> 00:01:48.024 The knowledge argument contradicts the theory of physicalism, 00:01:48.024 --> 00:01:50.603 which says that everything, including mental states, 00:01:50.603 --> 00:01:53.684 has a physical explanation. 00:01:53.684 --> 00:01:55.813 To most people hearing Mary's story, 00:01:55.813 --> 00:01:59.483 it seems intuitively obvious that actually seeing color 00:01:59.483 --> 00:02:03.063 will be totally different than learning about it. 00:02:03.063 --> 00:02:06.057 Therefore, there must be some quality of color vision 00:02:06.057 --> 00:02:09.303 that transcends its physical description. 00:02:09.303 --> 00:02:12.822 The knowledge argument isn't just about color vision. 00:02:12.822 --> 00:02:18.395 Mary's room uses color vision to represent conscious experience. 00:02:18.395 --> 00:02:21.713 If physical science can't entirely explain color vision, 00:02:21.713 --> 00:02:26.844 then maybe it can't entirely explain other conscious experiences either. 00:02:26.844 --> 00:02:29.304 For instance, we could know every physical detail 00:02:29.304 --> 00:02:32.724 about the structure and function of someone else's brain, 00:02:32.724 --> 00:02:37.794 but still not understand what it feels like to be that person. 00:02:37.794 --> 00:02:42.407 These ineffable experiences have properties called qualia, 00:02:42.407 --> 00:02:47.665 subjective qualities that you can't accurately describe or measure. 00:02:47.665 --> 00:02:50.469 Qualia are unique to the person experiencing them, 00:02:50.469 --> 00:02:51.714 like having an itch, 00:02:51.714 --> 00:02:52.934 being in love, 00:02:52.934 --> 00:02:54.734 or feeling bored. 00:02:54.734 --> 00:02:58.737 Physical facts can't completely explain mental states like this. 00:02:58.737 --> 00:03:02.185 Philosophers interested in artificial intelligence 00:03:02.185 --> 00:03:03.985 have used the knowledge argument 00:03:03.985 --> 00:03:06.715 to theorize that recreating a physical state 00:03:06.715 --> 00:03:11.375 won't necessarily recreate a corresponding mental state. 00:03:11.375 --> 00:03:12.656 In other words, 00:03:12.656 --> 00:03:16.304 building a computer which mimicked the function of every single neuron 00:03:16.304 --> 00:03:17.716 of the human brain 00:03:17.716 --> 00:03:22.665 won't necessarily create a conscious computerized brain. 00:03:22.665 --> 00:03:26.927 Not all philosophers agree that the Mary's room experiment is useful. 00:03:26.927 --> 00:03:29.836 Some argue that her extensive knowledge of color vision 00:03:29.836 --> 00:03:32.636 would have allowed her to create the same mental state 00:03:32.636 --> 00:03:35.446 produced by actually seeing the color. 00:03:35.446 --> 00:03:39.655 The screen malfunction wouldn't show her anything new. 00:03:39.655 --> 00:03:42.945 Others say that her knowledge was never complete in the first place 00:03:42.945 --> 00:03:45.816 because it was based only on those physical facts 00:03:45.816 --> 00:03:48.506 that can be conveyed in words. 00:03:48.506 --> 00:03:50.085 Years after he proposed it, 00:03:50.085 --> 00:03:53.826 Jackson actually reversed his own stance on his thought experiment. 00:03:53.826 --> 00:03:56.886 He decided that even Mary's experience of seeing red 00:03:56.886 --> 00:04:01.726 still does correspond to a measurable physical event in the brain, 00:04:01.726 --> 00:04:05.557 not unknowable qualia beyond physical explanation. 00:04:05.557 --> 00:04:07.637 But there still isn't a definitive answer 00:04:07.637 --> 00:04:11.037 to the question of whether Mary would learn anything new 00:04:11.037 --> 00:04:12.866 when she sees the apple. 00:04:12.866 --> 00:04:15.976 Could it be that there are fundamental limits to what we can know 00:04:15.976 --> 00:04:18.917 about something we can't experience? 00:04:18.917 --> 00:04:21.948 And would this mean there are certain aspects of the universe 00:04:21.948 --> 00:04:25.338 that lie permanently beyond our comprehension? 00:04:25.338 --> 00:04:30.676 Or will science and philosophy allow us to overcome our mind's limitations?